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overthrow vladimir putin. and we're learning more about where yevgeny prigozhin might be at this hour. also ahead, ukraine tries to make the most of russia's crisis on the battlefield after a slow, bloody start to their counter offensive. plus, president biden's first public comments on everything that's unfolding in russia, and on capitol hill, lawmakers voicing their concerns but will that translate to more dollars and supplies for ukraine? our nbc news reporters are following all of the latest developments, but we begin with nbc's matt bradley who has the latest on this challenge to putin's leadership. so matt, how significant is this new audio from prigozhin who has not been publicly seen since all of those people were coming around him in russia as he was getting ready to leave. >> well, it's pretty significant, chris, when you consider the fact that we haven't heard from this man in the past two days. it shed just a little bit more light on an episode that has really baffled the world.

as you mentioned, prigozhin said he wasn't trying to unseat vladimir putin. he wasn't trying to take down the russian government, it was just a protest, and this was something we had heard him saying before. for prigozhin, all of the mystery surrounding this man, he is a very public person. he says a lot on social media. he doesn't seem to hold a lot close to his chest. once again, he was pretty verbose. he blamed the government, he said, for attacking his soldiers, and killing 30 of them, and that is what prompted this protest alongside moves by the government to try to incorporate the wagner group into the ministry of december, essentially making them part of the regular army, and of course that would mean that prigozhin and his private army, the wagner group would then be effectively cancelled, and that was something apparently that prigozhin was not going to abide. that's why he decided to make that march on moscow and to take over that base to the east of ukraine. both of those efforts were

ultimately unsuccessful. but really, what this shows is that prigozhin is still very much alive. we don't know where he is exactly, but it looks as though he's still in the mix and still. s -- wants to be part of the conversation. we haven't seen other moves by the russian government. they haven't answered prigozhin's complaints or demands. we haven't heard of them firing sergey shoygu, the minister of defense, the chief of staff, the two men that prigozhin's chief complaints were about, accusing them of not providing the wagner group with enough weapons and ammunition. we saw prigozhin for the past year making extremely disparaging remarks both about these two men and about the regular russian military and the ministry of defense. he hadn't attacked personally vladimir putin, and he still really hasn't. it was only, though, on friday when he went beyond just attacking the management of the

war but also the pretext by which vladimir putin launched his invasion of ukraine. we learned a little bit from this audio message. still, there's just so many unanswered questions, chris. >> matt bradley, thank you for that. let's go to ukraine where the military is looking to make the most of this moment of russian weakness. nbc's raf sanchez reports from there. raf, what can you tell us? >> reporter: president zelenskyy today making a surprise visit to troops in eastern ukraine who are taking part in the counter offensive. he was taking selfies, handing out medals, wishing one of these soldiers happy birthday, and the contrast between president zelenskyy out and about, and pruitt seen on saturday morning making the emergency broadcast in russia, since then his whereabouts largely unknown, a contrast deeply striking. zelenskyy has really tried to capitalize on the optics to try to present himself as someone

close to his people compared to his russian counter part who is remote at the end of those long tables, deep inside the kremlin. now, zelenskyy also speaking to president biden over the weekend, president biden at camp david hugging with his national security officials. zelenskyy calling the call a positive and inspiring conversation. he thanked president biden for the patriot missile batteries, defending the skies from kyiv, and from russian missiles and drones. those contacts between washington and kyiv happening at all levels of government. defense secretary lloyd austin speaking to his counter part over the weekend, and general milley also speaking to his. we have seen a real contrast also between how president zelenskyy and president biden have been talking about what's going on inside russia. zelenskyy who is a native russian speaker who has been posting videos all weekend in russian speaking directly to both russian troops and the russian people saying your leadership are divided, they

don't care about you, president biden much more circumspect, not appearing in front of the cameras until today, and president putin, whether president biden likes it or not, is a peer of his as a fellow leader of a nuclear arms nation, the united states being careful not to be seen cheering for the instability inside russia. meanwhile, back here in ukraine, the counter offensive is grinding on. ukraine hoping that the chaos on the russian side might create some kind of opportunity, but so far we have seen no major breakdown of russian military discipline. ukraine continues to make small gains. today they announced they liberated another village in zaporizhzhia area, but these gains being measured in small villages, not in cities at this point. back to you. >> raf sanchez, thank you so much for that. now, for exactly what president biden is saying, let's go to nbc white house correspondent mike memoli. it was just about an hour ago we

heard from the president. what was his message? >> well, chris, we were meant to hear from president biden kicking off a three-week administration wide almost campaign style push on his economic agenda. instead he's addressing significant developments in what has become an administration defining foreign policy challenge. the president sticking to the playbook throughout the conflict, leading up to russia's inflation and the year and a half since, focusing on coordination with our key european allies, the calls he made throughout the weekend, but also addressing, we just heard from raf sanchez about president zelenskyy's call with president biden, listen to how president biden described that conversation. >> ukraine will be keeping in contact with them, and may be peaking later today and early tomorrow morning. make sure we continue to remain on the same page. i told him that no matter what happened in russia, let me say it again, no matter what happened in russia, we, the united states, continue to

support ukraine's defense and its sovereignty, and territorial integrity. he and i agreed to follow up and stay in constant contact. key to how president biden has really been approaching this ukraine conflict is to avoid escalation and provocation. we continue to see that from the administration. we heard that just in the last hour as well from the state department as they said, once again, the united states takes no position as it relates to the leadership of the russian government of the russian defense ministry. we take positions on russian behavior. now, it's really worth noting, chris, what we expect to see in the coming weeks. the president is expected to travel to lithuania, to attend the nato summit. he was also, according to our reporting, likely to make a stop in finland. the optics are significant. we remember in helsinki, former president trump met with vladimir putin, highlighting the joining of nato. does that trip go ahead as planned or will that step be seen as a further provocation with vladimir putin at the moment. >> mike memoli, thank you.

let's go to capitol hill now, and what we're hearing from lawmakers on these developments in russia. nbc's ryan nobles is there for us. what can you tell us? >> it does seem as most congressional leaders are in a wait and see mode as the process plays out. there's obviously some optimism that the turmoil in russia could ultimately be to the benefit of ukraine, but there was a real concern that if russia was a mess as senator mark warner, the chair of the intel committee described it earlier today, that could cause chaos throughout the entire region. regardless, the one consistent theme we seem to hear from members of congress is that this should strengthen the resolve of the united states to continue to support the effort in ukraine. while russia seems to at least be taking a step back to deal with their own issues, this is an opportunity to reinforce the ukrainian forces. listen to gregory meek's, the ranking member of the house foreign affairs committee.

>> i would hope this reenforcing, republican colleagues, talking about not continuing to fund ukraine, this is why it's important to make sure we are funding ukraine and to push forward. >> reporter: and while most members of the congress continue to believe that investment in ukraine is important, there is a sizable faction, particularly of republicans in the house of representatives, the u.s. believes they have done too much. this isn't a fight the americans should be involved in, and should be a step taken back, that's important, chris, because that conservative faction in the house of representatives do represent enough members to perhaps get in the way of future funding for ukraine, especially as we enter into the budget process where republicans in the house are actually marking up their appropriations bills at lower levels than what was agreed to during the debt ceiling fight. some republicans on the senate side, including mitch mcconnell, the senate minority leader has suggested another supplemental package should be made available

to ukraine in the future. it's not a guarantee it would get through the house. even though there is somewhat of support for ukraine during the whole situation, none of it is a guarantee going forward, despite what's happening in russia right now. chris. >> ryan nobles, thank you for that. the revolt in russia stirring fears for half of the world's nuclear weapons. just how safe are they? we're back in 60 seconds. safe y we're back in 60 seconds ♪ limu emu & doug ♪ what do we always say, son? liberty mutual customizes your car insurance... so you only pay for what you need. that's my boy. now you get out there, and you make us proud, huh? ♪ bye, uncle limu. ♪ stay off the freeways! only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪

♪ tourists tourists that turn into scientists. tourists taking photos that are analyzed by ai. so researchers can help life underwater flourish. ♪ the chaos we've witnessed inside russia over the last 72 hours is a double edged sword, a potential advantage for ukraine and its allies as well as growing concern regarding the safety of nuclear weapons considering russia holds the world's largest nuclear arsenal. what happens if vladimir putin and russia's command structure goes down or it's even weakened. joining me, supreme ally commander, admiral james

stavridis, and alex burdough, it's good to have all of you here. we just heard from the state department briefing and what they said was this, matt miller, that the u.s. did not see and is not seeing any change in the disposition of nuclear forces. admiral, should we be breathing a sigh of relief or are we on high alert throughout this? we obviously don't have sound with the admiral, i'll bring that to you, alex. >> there we go. if i go back to my time as supreme allied commander of nato or back from my six tours in the pentagon, i can assure you there is enormous focus right now on where the nukes, how secure are the nukes.

not time to breathe a sigh of relief. here is the good news, chris. as you're showing, russia has the largest nuclear arsenal in the world, just under 6,000 weapons. they're scattered across a pretty broad range of locations in the southern part of russia all the way out to the peninsula in the pacific. but russia has a long history of watching them closely, providing the resources, ensuring that there are the appropriate level of concern, very similar to what we do here in the united states. so i think short of a complete 1917 russian revolution melt down which i don't think is coming, i think those weapons will remain fairly secure. >> what we're hearing from the white house is that the president, alex, has been getting hourly updates on the situation. that should be no surprise. there you see the white house briefing that's going on right now with kirby, but my question

is what's the kind of information? what are the questions that you have right now that will get us to the heart of the level of, first of all, instability of russia and potentially the opportunity that it provides for ukraine? >> well, i think the immediate focus is going to be on whether or not this deal that was reached between putin on the one hand, and prigozhin on the other, if that's going to stick. if that's going to be fully implemented. there are signs it is moving forward, in some respects. there are indications that the authorities in russia are concerned that prigozhin might not hold up his end of the bargain. the criminal case against him are still being pursued. it hasn't been dropped as we are led to believe over the weekend. one of the key issues is how is the immediate crisis being diffused. it looked over the weekend like it was moving back. i think that's still the case. for putin, this is still something that's survivable in the near term.

the vulnerability that's been shown, the weakness in his regime is probably more of a long-term issue than a short-term one, but certainly i think we have to keep an eye on just what happens with the implementation of this deal, where the wagner forces are, where are they going, there have been some suggestions that they might end up in belarus, or some might end up in belarus. i think they will be wanting more details of what's taking place on the ground. >> what will you be watching, in terms of forces, are they in belarus. and do you believe what he said in that audio, which is that when he asked if they wanted to assimilate into the russian military, only 1 or 2% showed any interest. >> you know, if i were asked if i wanted to assimilate into the russian military, i would be running screaming in the other direction, so, no, that certainly doesn't surprise me.

under paid, largely conscript, the idea that the wagner force, which compared to those conventional forces is more elite, would want to join in the fun in ukraine as regular russian soldiers, not going to happen. the indicators to watch, and you put your finger on it very well, chris, is will the wagner forces, the 25,000 or so kind of reconstitute in belarus, and i'll tell you, if i were yevgeny prigozhin, i would feel pretty vulnerable right now if i didn't have a significant number of, if you will, my team around me because he is at this stage, quite vulnerable. putin is the original "game of thrones" guy, and let me tell you, when you go for the king, you better kill the king, and prigozhin didn't do so. he's highly vulnerable. he'll want to get his troops around in belarus. watch that space. that will tell you where this deal is going.

>> yeah, and does it necessarily need to be in the immediate future, by that i mean in the coming days, alex, and also one thing we can say about vladimir putin, if he feels he's been wronged, he doesn't forget. >> that's absolutely right. i think, you know, you have a situation in belarus now where russian intelligence and security services are heavily integrated into the system there. that's been something that has intensified over the course of the invasion of ukraine, but it was already taking place in the previous three years prior to that. and i think there's going to be certainly at the very least, a lot of oversight of prigozhin and his forces there. i think what might help prigozhin is the fact that president aleksandr lukashenko of belarus is effectively his protection, and he's going to be offering some level of security or protection for him. i don't know if that will be much comfort for him, though.

>> what level, though? >> it's an unusual relationship to say the least between lukashenko and putin. lukashenko is highly dependent on president putin, but what's been notable in the last two months or so is in addition to this deal that lukashenko is having credit for getting brokered, he got putin to agree to put tactical nuclear weapons in belarus, and claimed the transfers started. putin himself last week was saying that russia had started those transfers. so it a certain extent, there's an odd level of leverage there, but certainly i think on some level, the russians will have the upper hand here, especially with the presence they have of both military on the ground. >> admiral james stavridis, always great to have you on the program. thank you. in the meantime, democrats are sounding the alarm about donald trump's threat in 2024. as a new poll shows him neck in neck against joe biden. plus, brand new reporting on why billions in federal funding could now be heading down the

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2024 is very real, and needs to be taken seriously. the 80-year-old president also reportedly getting some advice from hollywood on turning his age into an asset. this is the reason people are worried about voting for him. so the "wall street journal" reports that movie mogul jeffrey cat zenberg, if harrison ford and mick jagger can strut around a stage, biden should lean into his longevity with wisdom and experience, offering a sense of humor about it. let's bring in allie raffa. you're on the by line of the new nbc news reporting. look, democrats who look at this polling and don't walk away and say, okay, being in a statistical dead heat against

donald trump and, frankly, exactly the same numbers as ron desantis may be reason for us to step back. >> there's little data, few anecdotes that would suggest the republican party is eager to move on from donald trump. this polling indicates that he is only growing his margin over ron desantis and the rest of the field. in a separate poll question, 49% of republicans said that they want him to lead the party going into the future. so in a head-to-head match up even he is still beating ron desantis by more than 20 points here. this is tough. but when we're talking about the potency of donald trump in the general election, that is where democrats acknowledge that in 2020 look at each of these battleground states. yes, joe biden got more votes narrowly in each of these states, but donald trump turned out a record number of voters for the republican nominee. you can see it in these numbers. in the state of arizona, he received 33% more votes than any republican nominee in presidential election history here.

and in 2016, donald trump earned the support of 90% of republicans. in 2020, he was 94%. so let's forget the democrat base of support for joe biden, and let's forget independent voters who went towards joe biden in 2020. if you just focus on the republican party, the polling indicates that they have donald trump's back, and in a general election, if donald trump is able to turn out a base despite these indictments, despite a criminal trial that's going to be potent for him. >> i don't know about the jagger or harrison ford analogy, but we have talked about how team biden wants to showcase him as a leader of these bread and butter issues, want to talk about the deliverables he has made through the course of his administration. that leads me to what can you tell me about the president's new infrastructure tour. >> yeah, chris, this is sort of a delicate dance for the president because, you know, from a campaign perspective, he wants to be able to take this challenge from the former

president who is as of right now, his top rival seriously but as a president, he doesn't want to appear to give former president trump any more of a spotlight by engaging with him, especially in light of any criminal indictment against the former president. but when you see not only this statistical tie between the two of them in our recent polling but also our recent polling showing that former president trump has gained an advantage above his gop rivals after that indictment. add to that, the polling we saw last month showing that more americans trust the former president than the current one to handle the economy. you think of the president's current low approval ratings, low approval ratings on handling the economy, and these are just realities that the biden team simply can't ignore, but the way that they're countering that and handling that is through events like the one we saw a few hours ago at the white house. the president announcing this investment of more than $40 billion in getting reliable, more affordable internet access

out to rural communities across the country, across u.s. territories, that's something that he's talked about since the 2020 campaign trail, and so these -- the white house says that this is going to be a similar message over the next few months, talking about what the president has already done and how he can build on that and help more middle class americans by helping the economy, and being able to do that if he's reelected to a second term. and so we expect to see that not only over the next few months but specifically the rest of this week, the president focusing on private fundraisers as well as some campaign events across three states just this week. >> thank you so much. as president biden launches the infrastructure blitz, a nonprofit analysis finds billions of dollars in federal funding could ultimately go to waste because highway and bridge builders are relying on decades old rainfall data that doesn't take into account climate

change. diana olick joins me for cnbc on msnbc. so why are new projects, brand new projects using old data and can this be fixed? >> currently the authoritative government source is from the national atmospheric administration, and used to inform the engineering design of transportation and other infrastructure but it does not factor in the effects of global warming which we know is causing heavier rainfall because when the atmosphere is warmer, it holds more water. now, noaa is well aware of the problem and is currently updating the model. that won't be done for two to three years after the infrastructure projects are underway or done. a new report from first street, which is a climate risk firm shows how much higher the flood risk is when you factor in global warming and consequently how projected funded by the infrastructure act are being built to the long flood

standards. it uses a highway project in new jersey which received $86 million in federal funding. the first street report says it will flood far more often than its engineering model predicts. the d.o.t. confirmed using atlas 14 as required by current standards and they said in part they reviewed updates data as well from proposed storm water management regulations but that data according to first street uses the same historical method as atlas 14, not factoring in the future effects of climate change. chris. >> diana olick, thank you so much for that. murder charges handed down for three san antonio police officers accused of killing a woman suffering from a mental health crisis while she was in her house. the shocking new body camera video and what it reveals, next. a video and what it reveals, next. tourists tourists that turn into scientists. tourists taking photos that are analyzed by ai. so researchers can help life underwater flourish. ♪

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just moments ago, ron desantis spoke to nbc news during his campaign trip to the u.s. mexico border where he is unveiling his national border policy. nbc's gabe gutierrez is following the desantis campaign in texas for us. what did desantis have to say, and what is in his proposed no excuses border policy? >> reporter: hi, chris, good afternoon. governor desantis is taking a much more aggressive stance when it comes to taking on what the campaign sees as the failures of the joe biden administration, but he's also taking a harder

line on immigration than even former president trump. criticizing him directly. when asked today about his border policies, he's laying out a lot of policies that may sound familiar to people that have been following former president trump's administration. of course, talk about reimplementing the remain in mexico policy, ending what's known as catch and release, but also using the u.s. military, the coast guard, navy, to block precursor chemicals coming from china used to make fentanyl in mexico, blocking mexico ports. i asked him whether he viewed mexico as a partner and hindrance and at times mexico has not been a partner. i also asked him about new nbc news national polling that says his campaign has dropped significantly since it launched last month nine points, now down to just 22% support among gop primary voters, compare that to president trump who's 29 points

ahead. take a listen to what he told me about that. how do you get through the gop primary here, and how do you explain to your supporters and donors that since your campaign has launched, you've dropped nine points. >> to things, one, i think if you look the swing states, biden beats trump in the swing states and i beat biden handily in the swing states who's going to win georgia, arizona, obviously i'll win florida, wisconsin, those states. if you don't have a path to do that, nominating doesn't make sense. there's other polls in the primary, i think at the end of the day, this is a marathon, not a sprint. we're doing everything we need to do in early states. you're going to start to see more and more ever present. >> reporter: again, he says, this is a marathon, not a sprint but the trump campaign hitting him back hard when it comes to immigration, calling him a fisher-price candidate, saying former president trump had a much stronger immigration

policy. again, this issue certainly to come up in the coming weeks and months in this gop primary campaign as it heats up, chris. >> without a doubt. gabe gutierrez, thank you for that. three san antonio police officers have now been charged with murder after a 46-year-old woman who was having a mental health crisis was shot in her apartment. that's according to the city's police chief. we have new body camera footage that shows what happened in those final moments. nbc's dana griffin has more. >> reporter: three san antonio police officers have been charged with murder and suspended without pay after killing a woman armed with a hammer inside her own apartment. >> hey, lady. get over here. >> reporter: just after midnight friday, officers were responding to a vandalism call. >> get over here. 46-year-old melissa perez was suspected of cutting wires to a fire alarm system. police followed perez to her first floor apartment where they say she locked herself inside.

an officer removed the screen to her open window. perez hits the officer with what appears to be a glass candle. >> you're going to get shot. >> shoot me. >> reporter: here's a wider angle of the confrontation. >> you ain't got no words. hey, hey, watch out. >> reporter: they say perez then swung a hammer, shattering a window. officers then fired the deadly shots. according to police, perez was hit at least twice. paramedics pronounced her dead at the scene. >> it appeared that ms. prez was having a mental health crisis. >> reporter: the police chief adding the officers' actions were not consistent with policy. flores, and nathaniel villalobos were suspended without pay and arrested on murder charges. according to court documents they have since been released on bond.

>> i'm just heartbroken. there's no words that can express the hurt that this has caused my family. >> reporter: the police chief vowing to thoroughly investigate. dana griffin, nbc news. >> joining me now former federal prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst, carol ann, as you watch that video, hear from city officials and we know that that investigation is underway, what are the things that you're looking at? >> well, first let me say that these kinds of physical altercations between police and the public are the most difficult trials judges and lawyers encounter in their careers, not because the subject matter is difficult but because you're dealing with events, generally speaking, where there's a lot of adrenaline flowing, and instantaneous decisions have to be made by the

officers on the scene, but i will also say that the fact that there's video tape evidence here sort of changes everything because now jurors are not going to be asked to think about or imagine what the facts were but they will actually be able to focus on what actually happened here, and that is the value of having this kind of body cam footage. so i do think that this is a situation where texas law is in line with probably every other state in the united states that says that officers can only use reasonable force to effect a necessary arrest. there were so many points of failure here, apparently, according to these body cam video-taped footage that shows that the officers had the opportunity not to escalate this situation, but, in fact, they did escalate the situation. this particular woman was not involved in a violent crime when they first encountered her. it was vandalism. they then took the screen off of

her window for reasons that aren't clear. and then instead of backing off and deescalating the situation when she brandished a hammer, it was not a gun. it was a hammer. there did not appear to be anyone else in her apartment that was physically threatened, they decided to handle the situation by shooting. the video footage is not very good for the officers. >> the fact that she said, you don't have a warrant, she was talking about a warrant. she clearly seemed to be in a great deal of distress, not to mention the fact, and not either to minimize the fact that she might have thrown a glass object at them, that she had a hammer, a hammer is not three armed police officers so where does that fit into it? what determines what's a reasonable use of force, and does her question about a warrant have anything to do with this case? >> of course the audio as well as the video is all part of the

evidence package. she's right, they didn't have a warrant, and it is fairly inexplicable why they didn't just back off and say, let's get a warrant. so unfortunately for the officer, one of the officers involved in the shooting, he actually articulated, you're going to get shot fairly early on in the encounter. sort of giving rise to his state of mind at the time, that this was not going to end well for this individual. so, you know, the point is that these officers have training. they are taught to deescalate situations, and you saw very little deescalation there. in fact, what you saw was unnecessary escalation. >> carol lam, thank you so much. and still ahead, vladimir putin's whereabouts have been a mystery since that armed rebellion. moments ago, we got new information on when we might hear from him. you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc. ing "chrg reports" only on msnbc

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transpired over the weekend? is it a mutiny? a coup? protected coup? armed rebellion? >> we're not slapping a bumper sticker on it, ed. >> and then the question of where is yevgeny prigozhin. mark warner talked about the leader with my colleague andrea mitchell. >> he says he's in minsk and he actually is, get this, this just reports that he is in one of the only hotels in minsk that doesn't have any windows. >> i want to bring back alex, three things there. i want to see if i can get through them, and start with the new information that we might hear from vladimir putin several times. first of all, what do you make of that, and what would you expect to hear from him? >> well, it's not clear exactly what the format's going to be, but i think the big job for him,

especially for the russian public is to try and explain what has just happened and show that the events of the past weekend, which were obviously extraordinary, and incredibly destabilizing in many ways, actually fits in the narrative he has been trying to portray. he has been trying to tell the russian public, though there is an existential crisis, and using that as a justification for the invasion of ukraine, and the same time that the russian public doesn't have to worry, he has the situation under control. clearly this weekend, he did not. what he has to do is explain that aspect of it, and try and make some sense as to what happened. one thing we have to watch for is whether or not he tries to blame any of this on western governments or intelligence services, something he has done in the past with other incidents. he hasn't really alluded to that yet, but his foreign minister this morning did try to lay the ground work for that a little bit. >> and the white house, white house officials are already pushing back on that saying that's crazy that they had

nothing to do with it. having said that, let me go back to the question that was asked of john kirby, which is what should we call what transpired over the weekend, a mutiny, cue, attempted coup, an armed rebellion. is it clear even based on the statement from prigozhin himself? >> well, i think we could call it a mutiny, but it kind of transcended that in some ways. if you think of this as something that directly challenged putin's authority. and it's not clear that necessarily prigozhin intended to do that. the history between prigozhin and putin is that putin is really one of his key benefactors, if not the key benefactor in the russian system. to try and go after putin was extraordinary and whether he intended it or not, it posed a challenge to putin in terms of his ability to say that he is in charge of the situation. prigozhin was arguing that there were others who had advised putin poorly, and misled him into the war, which kind of intimated that putin was not

making decisions on his own and he was open to input. that's not the narrative that's come from putin at all. i think this is, you know, really a challenge for putin now to try and sort of assert his authority and to say that he actually is in charge. he has the situation in hand, and will continue to do so. >> does he mention, prigozhin? i mean, i wonder what went through his mind when he saw the cheers, saw the people taking the selfies with him. i also look at what mark warner said, they say maybe he's in minsk, but the state department asked about that, saying we have no way of knowing that for sure. let's even assume that he has made his way to belarus. what might putin both make of it and say about it? >> i think that putin will try to minimize prigozhin's importance and influence. we have seen him do this with others. he also never mentions the name alexei navalny when he comes up

in press appearances or speeches. i think the same is going to happen with prigozhin. he wants to suggest he's the one in charge. prigozhin does not have a say in what's happening. what he also wants to do is put this in the broader context of national unity which is something he attempted to do in the speech he made on saturday before he struck this deal with prigozhin. so even if prigozhin is still going to be a factor in russian politics, i think probably he will be as long as he's alive, then i think that putin is going to try and minimize his importance to the best of his ability. >> alex prigozhin, thank you so much, we appreciate your time. across the country, thousands of travelers are facing flight delays after powerful storms ripped through parts of the country. according to flight aware, nearly 4,500 u.s. flights have already been delayed just today, particularly in the southeast and the ohio valley. that includes the state of indiana where two suspected tornadoes touched down.

at least one person was killed. major damaged was caused in parts of that state. that's not the only severe weather we're tracking. extreme heat blamed for the des death of a 14-year-old boy who was hiking in texas. temperatures were around 108 degrees at the time. the boy's stepfather tried to get help for him but was also killed when the car he was in crashed down an embankment. that's going to do it for us this hour, make sure to joining us for "chris jansing reports" every weekday 1:00 to 3:00 p.m. eastern on nbc. our coverage continues with "katy tur" reports after a short break. "katy tur" reports after a short break.

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good to be with you. i'm katy tur. russian state tv says vladimir putin will speak tonight. it is already 10:00 p.m. there, so it could come at any moment. what's he going to say about yevgeny prigozhin. did he really allow the leader of the wagner group to flee to belarus without any consequences. as we wait for that, here's where things stand. it appears that vladimir putin has staved off a rebellion, excuse me. convincing the leader of a mercenary group of putin's own making to turn around and retreat just 125 miles away from moscow, which by the way, is less than the distance from philly to d.c. or milwaukee to south bend or