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with people who didn't have clearance. >> . >> how critical could that piece of evidence be in this case? plus, russian president vladimir putin speaks. the defiant president trying to project strength after the weekend rebellion, forcing new questions about his power. we're going to have a live report from moscow coming up as well. we begin, though, at the supreme court, where we expect more decisions to be released at any moment. we're watching for decisions on highly consequential issues. the court often waits to release the most controversial decisions until the end of a term. and we're getting right down to the wire here, folks. if we get one of those major decisions, we're going to bring you that and the very latest right away there. we're also monitoring some dramatic new developments in the trump classified documents investigation.
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an audio recording has surfaced in which the former president appears to discuss classified documents with people who did not have security clearance. in this audio, obtained by cnn, he seems to acknowledge he knowingly held on to a doc about a potential attack on iran. listen to this. >> you know, he said, he wanted to attack iran and what -- there are the papers. this was done by the military and then given to me. i think we can probably -- >> i don't know. we'll have to see. we'll have to try to -- >> declassify it. see, as president i could have declassified it. now i can't. you know. but this is still a secret. isn't that interesting? >> i want to bring in ryan reilly, vaughn hillyard in new hampshire where trump has an event in a couple of hours and also with us is former federal prosecutor paul butler as well. hey, ryan, let's start there, if you will.
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bring us more up to date on the developments that we're learning with the classified documents case and the release of this audio by cnn. >> yeah, the audio really is quite something. we have seen some of this spelled out in court documents and basically hearing it, you know, it is quite a different experience. it is so clear he's doing something that he knows is wrong and i think this is going to be really damning evidence if brought forward in a trial situation. it is just something that sort of isn't able to be rebutted because of the context of the tapes and him acknowledging that he was able to declassify it when he was president, but he's not anymore. and the only argument i can imagine he'll come up -- he'll come up with is that he thought he could hold on to these documents was warned so many times about that over and over again that he was not able to keep those documents at mar-a-lago and this tape was obviously made, we believe in bedminster, at his resort in new jersey. so it is really i think a really strong piece of evidence. this was probably something that was disclosed to the defense,
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but it is also something that was recorded by a team that was working on a book. so i think this audio probably circulated pretty widely. figuring out where this comes from can be a little difficult. i think one safe thing to rule out is probably the special counsel's office, because they have been so by the book on this, that i don't imagine that this really coming out of that realm. they have really spoken through those court documents and that's how they have been making all of their arguments, not by the selective leaks to the press. so, you know, there is a wide range of people who received this audio or who access to the audio at one point. it is tough to nail down where this came from. >> i also just want to mention some breaking news we're getting now as we are talking about the classified documents case, walt nadia, the former president's aide, his case -- his arraignment has been delayed. we know his arraignment was supposed to happen today because he was supposed to retain representation in florida. it seemed as if that arraignment has gotten delayed.
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ryan, you know anything more on this? >> yes, so he was not -- this means he was not able to set up local counsel. his lawyer stanley woodward is someone who has been paid for by the trump team. there is a lot of aides who have lawyers paid for by him. but he's someone who is d.c.-based and not in florida, so there is going to be need to be someone who actually takes up the case in florida. i think in the long-term, what the problem is there is someone who signs up for that, they're in that for the long haul, which means they have to represent him no matter if the bills get paid down the line or what. once you commit to that case, you're into it in florida. >> by the way, we're getting a date on that delay, now delayed until july 6th. back to the conversation on the release of this tape. i want to read for you some of the -- just reading it, over and over again, we know this thing existed because it was in the 49-page document, but knowing the actual verbiage here and hearing his voice is another story. the former president says he
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know he wanted to attack iran and then says these are the papers. he says these are the papers. the staffer says, yeah, you did, trump said this was done by the military and given to me, i think we can probably, right, the staffer says, i don't know, we'll have to see, and then trump says, declassify it, figure it out. trump goes on and then says, see, as president i could have declassified it. the staffer says yeah, and laughs. trump says, now i can't, you know, but this is still a secret. this is still a secret. so at one point he says, here it is, here are the papers, and this is still a secret. how damning is this, paul butler? >> extraordinarily incriminating. the recording is crystal clear in two ways, yasmin. first, the quality of the recording. often when there is audio in a criminal case, it is secretly recorded and you have to kind of strain to understand it. the watergate tapes are an example of that.
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they're hard to listen to. but here, the jury is going to feel like it is in the room. and the other way the audiotape is crystal clear is incriminating mr. trump. it is an admission of the knowledge and control that prosecutors would have to prove under the espionage act. as you have just read, yasmin, trump literally says, look here, meaning, look at this illegal document, he knows that he possesses and he is not supposed to and he also says that he knows its secrets. as you said, we already knew about this evidence. if necessary, it could have been reconstructed through a transcript or witness testimony at trial. but there is nothing like the jury hearing it with their own ears. >> vaughn, give us the reaction from trump world. >> reporter: i mean, i think it is important context that this is very much happening in the political realm too. and donald trump is here, he's going to be speaking to
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republicans in concord, new hampshire, about two hours from now and folks are starting to enter behind me. in conversations with the folks that are here, you are hear, defenses that have been propagated by donald trump. this is for donald trump as much of a political spin effort, it is one that is going to be troubling for his defense team because over the course of the last year now, donald trump has provided a cadre of excuses or explanations for why he had possession of the documents and made the case that he was in the right to have the documents. take a listen to teddy mcneil, one of his supporters who is here this afternoon. >> are you concerned about the classified documents? >> the president has the right to do whatever he wants. he declassified everything and it is his choice. >> reporter: i think it is important, that anecdote is important to be paired with the data that in our new nbc news poll showed that 45% of
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americans, not just republicans, americans say they have minor concerns or no concerns at all about the indictment laid out from the special counsel against donald trump here. and so for trump world, they're going to let donald trump continue to do what he does. his post said a flurry of social media posts over the course of the last 12 hours, after the release of the audio. he suggested that it was, quote, spun and taken out of context. that is the latest reasoning and explanation for him as to why he was not in the wrong and where he's being unfairly prosecuted. >> ryan reilly, while all this is happening, we cannot forget, jack smith has the classified documents case. he also has the january 6th probe as well. and we're learning this week former georgia secretary of state brad raffensperger to be interviewed by the special counsel. what more do we know about that? >> yeah, so the special counsel probe with the january 6th thing is ongoing. the grand jury is meeting once again today and they heard
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testimony from a number of key witnesses, especially surrounding the so-called fake electors probe. and i think that's where the focus of this is, as well as a toe into the fund-raising thing. we refer to this colloquially as the january 6th trial, but based on the evidence we have seen brought forward thus far, that's the way the investigation was going. broadly speaking, i think in any other situation with any other defense attorney and any other defendant, we would be talking plea deal right now. that's the only option on the table when faced with this amount of insurmountable evidence. i think it is only because this is in the political realm that we're even talking about anything else. the evidence against donald trump is overwhelming and any responsible attorney trying to, you know, limit his exposure would be talking about, you know, being quiet and taking a plea deal. that's not the path donald trump is taking and that's why you saw this giant break on the legal team. he's going to fight this tooth and nail and he's not going to
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be willing to walk into a court knowing everything that we know about donald trump and accept responsibility for his actions and, you know, sort of take what the court gives him. he thinks he's in the right here and i think he'll fight this all the way out, despite the strong evidence against him. >> paul, do you agree with that assessment, a, and then, b, where does the interview about raffensperger suggest to you that investigation is in the special counsel's office? >> so, if we think about january 6th, there is two aspects of the federal investigation. one is the violence and the blood of the actual insurrection. the other is the threat to democracy from the fake electors scheme. and there are signs pointing to possible charges against donald trump with regard to the big lie. we know jack smith called mike pence and mark meadows into the grand jury. courts rejected trump's claims of executive privilege, attorney/client privilege and a federal judge said that when
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trump tried to pressure mike pence to disrupt the vote, that that meant the -- that meets the elements of the federal crime of attempted obstruction of an official proceeding. 2,000 people charged with the violence of january 6th. so far none of the generals charged for the threat to our democracy. >> paul butler, thank you. ryan reilly, vaughn hillyard, thank you, guys, as well. we're back in just 60 seconds, folks. a lot of show ahead. what a defiant putin is saying this morning about the rebellion that rattled russia. and then later on, how a disarmament of the mercenary wagner group could change the trajectory of the fighting inside ukraine. plus, striking new details about the intelligence failures leading up to january 6th. why warnings about potential violence were missed. we're back in just one minute. ed we're back in just one minute.
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now to russia, where we have just heard from a defiant president putin this time with more pomp and circumstance than we have seen in the last couple of days. putin claimed that he was able to stop the civil war. and that it was because of his forces that civilian casualties were prevented. this is coming after charges against the wagner rebels were dropped, the president of belarus confirming that the leader of the wagner group yevgeny prigozhin is in belarus now. joining us now is one of the few journalists reporting from inside russia. nbc news chief international correspondent keir simmons. up first, tell us more about what we heard from russian president putin this morning. >> reporter: yasmin, i think we are now in the aftermath stage of the extraordinary events over the weekend. what we're seeing, i think, is the kremlin, you know, visually establishing that it is in charge. so we saw president putin walk out in front of the ranks of his
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security services to, as you mentioned, as you say, praise them, say they helped divert a civil war, say they saved the future of russia, effectively. these are the national guards, the fsb, the various kind of, you know, security services that huddle around him and protect the president, protect the leadership of russia. so, you know, kind of a -- optically the effort is to be clear that president putin is back in charge. we're hearing too from the kremlin that the wagner group, this mercenary group that made its way toward moscow here over the weekend, and led this rebellion that that group is having its arms taken away, effectively, president putin overnight telling soldiers that they can join the russian army or they can go back to their families or they can go to belarus to join yevgeny
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prigozhin who leads that wagner group. so, yeah, just a number of things. i think i would say this, overnight, you heard president putin really kind of looking angry, insisting this was -- there was bloodshed that had been averted, that this was criminal, all those kinds of things. but at the same time, you also are seeing that flexibility of allowing those fighters to go to -- to walk away if you like. and i think that is, you know, a picture of -- it is kind of normal service resumes. it is a picture of how the kremlin is trying to put things back on track as far as it is concerned. >> yeah. and, of course, things could change as we are watching developments there out of moscow. as always, keir simmons, thank you. we are getting some breaks news in, folks, we're following out of the supreme court. a decision on a major election law dispute. want to bring in julia ainsley who is outside the supreme court. julia, what do we know about this ruling? >> this is the biggest ruling
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today. there are bigger ones work expecting later this week. the supreme court has said that the north carolina state legislature has to let its courts review changes to voting there. this all came up in 2021 when the republican-controlled legislature said their court did not have the authority to review the way they drew congressional maps. they pointed to something called the independent state legislature theory. now the court is saying that that was too broad of an interpretation and that they should allow the courts to intervene. this has widespread meaning because it could be that if they have gone the other way, then each republican or democrat-controlled state legislature would have control not just over drawing voting boundaries, but a number of ways you could register to vote, anything having to do with state controls in the voting process. this is also the second decision that this court has made this term on voting rights. remember, they said that alabama violated section two of the voting rights act. so they are upholding voting rights in both of these cases,
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telling these states that, no, they do not have the authority when it comes to redrawing congressional maps, and we are now waiting for bigger decisions to come later this week on things like lgbtq rights, student loans and affirmative action. they're running out of time. we expect this decision to come probably thursday or friday of this week. those will be big days and we'll keep watching it. >> all right, julia ainsley outside the supreme court for us, thank you. want to bring in laura jarrett now, who has been following this very closely as well. laura, if you will, walk us through as we just heard from julia the decision there, the significance of all this and what it means going forward. >> it had the potential to be quite sweeping if the court had actually adopted what the republican lawmakers had wanted, which was that state courts would have zero role to play when it comes to evaluating how states go about running federal elections. that would have been a bold and aggressive move, but the chief
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justice and justice kavanaugh not going along with their colleagues here, saying state courts still have a role to play. this was all about a map dating back to 2021, but it is really about what is going to happen in 2024, yasmin and that's why it is so important, they decided to knock down this theory now before we are reaching sort of emergency situation where it is on the eve of having to decide a major dispute. remember, all of the cases that former president trump filed back in 2020 and all of those cases where state courts had a major role to play in saying that the president was not right, or at least not adopting his theory, if they had bought into the republican theory there, state courts would have had no role to play in all 60 some of those cases that he lost. so, it is a major victory for voting rights advocates who had been very concerned about what the court would do, because they took the case in the first place, right? so people were saying, why did
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the court take it, why didn't they just affirm in the first place. the fact that they took it at all is what had so many wondering what would they do, and then they had thought, you know what, they'll just dismiss the whole thing as moot, decide we don't need to reach this right now because the lower court decision, the one that they were actually reviewing, they had reversed themselves because the court had changed hands and changed political parties. so they could have just said, we're not going to do this, we're going to wait for another day, but they didn't and they decided to take it now and make sure that at least for right now people are aware going into 2024 what the rules of the road are. >> all right, laura jarrett for us. thank you. we appreciate you. want to bring in now paul butler, msnbc legal analyst, also with us eugene robinson, "washington post" columnist and msnbc political analyst. let me get your reaction, paul, on this, first and foremost. one of the most outstanding things laura said in all of that is voting rights advocates are taking a victory lap today with this decision.
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and state courts do not have a role to play in federal elections. >> yeah, yasmin, maybe half or three-quarters of a victory lap. so, the north carolina state legislator, which is dominated by republicans, had drawn these voting districts that were so favorable towards republicans that first the north carolina supreme court said that it was illegal, unconstitutional gerrymandering that violated the state constitution. but then there was an election, the composition of the north carolina state supreme court change, and that court changed its mind and said that those republican-drawn districts were perfectly constitutional. so that decision was affirmed by the u.s. supreme court today, but the good news for advocates of vote rights is the court rejected this bizarre independent state theory which would have given state lawmakers
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extraordinary power to do whatever they wanted with regard to drawing the maps for federal elections and state courts would not have been able to do anything about it. already a law that says federal courts can't, so that would have been an extraordinary power grab, by state lawmakers, that the supreme court could have affirmed but today rejected. >> eugene robinson. >> i think this is very good news. and i'm glad the court did take this case and clarified that this crazy omnipotent state legislature theory is wrong because where does that end? that ends with the balkanized nation. we have a federal system. there is a lot of power vested in state legislatures but they're not all powerful and i think it is good that even this court, even this very
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conservative court, that some might have thought would be friendly to this sort of idea, says, no, that's crazy. that's not the way -- that's not the way in the united states work. >> how do you think this is going to affect the mindset going into 2024 as we're looking at a very divisive election, former president of the united states who challenged the results of a 2020 election running for re-election, indicted a number of times himself as well, and now this decision. how will this affect the mindset going into the 2024 election? >> well, look, you can imagine because we saw it in 2020, you can imagine some -- let's say trump gets the nomination. let's say he runs against biden. let's say he gets defeated again and let's say he claims again that the election was stolen. well, you know, what sorts of things would the state
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legislatures try to do and what sort of power do republican-controlled state legislatures, what sorts of powers would they try to insert? and that is what kind of worries me and while this decision might not directly have spoken to that question, it does signal that, no, there are limits to state legislature powers and i think probably in that context it is good looking ahead to the next election as well. >> all right, eugene robinson, paul butler, stand by for me. want to bring in neil katyal who argued this case in front of the supreme court. great to talk to you. your reaction? >> well, i could not be more pleased. the decision has just come down a few minutes ago and so we're all still studying it, but it looks like a clean win and vindication for my client,
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common causes' position, which was that over 200 plus years, no one has read the constitution the way that the republican national committee wanted to read it here. and what they wanted to do was gut our system of checks and balances and empower state legislatures to do whatever they wanted in federal elections and, you know, as i suggested at the oral argument to the court, i can't think of something more un-american than that. and so we're really pleased to see six justices agree with our position. and the decision was written by the chief justice. i think it is a reflection of, you know, in looking at the issues and saying, yeah, can't possibly be what the challengers are saying it is here. >> i know you have confidence in the argument you presented in front of the court. but with that in mind, are you at all surprised by this decision considering the conservative-leaning court and the precedent they have set?
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>> well, there is certainly a lot of commentary all through the, you know, 18 months or so of this case that this court is too biased, that they interpret things a certain way and there is no way we could win and this was a way to give the republicans major control over federal elections. and i just didn't buy that. and maybe because i'm a supreme court lawyer. my job is to argue there. but in the end, i do think that history can provide clear answers to questions and the structure of the constitution can and, you know, my job and my team's job was to really make that clear. i was really pleased to be joined on my team as my co-counsel judge michael ludig, one of the most respected conservative jurists before he left the bench, and i think what that underscored was just the constitution is truly above politics. and there is a way to view
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constitutional law that reflects our history and traditions and our structure and our values and judge ludig joining the team was part of that reflection and the story we wanted to tell, which is the american story. >> i'm going to ask you the question i just asked eugene, how do you expect this decision to affect the 2024 election considering how divided we expect this election to be, you have a former president running for re-election, twice indicted now, who knows how many more times he'll be indicted between now and then. >> yeah, well, i mean, it is an unknown because we don't know how many shenanigans would be launched otherwise. i do think this will prevent a certain amount of shenanigans from being adopted in state legislatures because had the republican national committee won this case, it would have meant that if they could persuade the state legislature to do anything, that that would be the end of it, whether it is, you know, restricting who goes to vote or voting times or how
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you balance or whether or not you have in person voting or, you know, all of those things, you know. so the number of different machinations that could have been launched was infinite and now this provides a check on that. the state constitution's state courts now are empowered to police that as they always have been. >> laura jarrett, supreme court really likes to push it to the very end, don't they? >> they sure do. they sure do. >> on the edge of our seats. we got another day at it, it seems, thursday. what else are we waiting for at this point? >> we still have some major opinions left to come. not the least of which is a challenge to affirmative action as we know it in this country. cases against harvard and usc and the court is expected to do something much broader than that or at least it has the potential to, which would be to ban it nationwide, if they decide to go that far. we also are looking to see what the court does when it comes to the president's student loan
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forgiveness plan. remember on that one, a bunch of red states sued, they managed to get the program blocked and there the court will be looking at one, whether those states have standing and if they don't have standing, then the plan could go into effect. if they do have standing, then the question becomes whether the president had the authority to do something that bold, which is to wipe out about $400 million worth of student loans. and then there is another interesting case, having to do with religious rights, lgbtq rights, and so a number of things left to come here, but certainly this voting rights case was one of the major ones we were tracking. >> still on edge. laura jarrett, who cannot start her fourth of july vacation just yet. thank you. paul butler, eugene robinson, neal katyal, thank you as well. coming up next, the murder suspect in the killing of four idaho students is back in court this afternoon. what we can expect to hear as prosecutors now pursue the death penalty. we'll be right back. s now purs h penalty. we'll be right back.
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welcome back, everybody. some more breaking news this hour from the justice department on the investigation into the death of jeffrey epstein in federal custody. a new report showing there was negligence, misconduct, and other failures at the new york metropolitan correctional center and that those all contributed to the conditions that allowed epstein to hang himself in his manhattan jail cell in 2019. want to bring in ken dilanian, who is following this for us. ken, tell us what more we need to know about this report. >> reporter: this was a 120-page report as the result of three years of investigation by the inspector general of the department of justice. and it doesn't really add much to the picture of the basic facts here. but it really does present a portrayal of a cascade of negligence and misconduct by employees of the federal bureau of prisons that this report says allowed the conditions to where jeffrey epstein was able to take his life, that accused sex offender. what it says is that, for
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example, he was supposed to be monitored every 30 minutes. he was alone in his cell in this new york federal holding facility where he was facing sex trafficking charges but he wasn't monitored and the employees lied about it. they noted they were making the rounds but they weren't making the rounds. his cell was supposed to be searched for extra bed linens and clothing, which he had, but his cell was never searched. he was supposed to have a roommate but he didn't have a roommate. he was left in his cell for four hours a day after a lot of incriminating information in his case had been made public, and what this report says is that he was found hanging from his top bunk. remember, the fbi investigated and found no evidence he was murdered. the new york medical examiner concluded it was suicide, said they found no defensive wounds, no evidence of drugs in his system. this report goes into other evidence including what the inmates around him were saying, what the guards were saying, no video evidence that anyone entered his cell. so this report agrees that it
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was suicide, but concludes that that suicide never should have happened and it was a result of negligence by the bureau of prisons and this is not the only case. remember, the mob boss whitey bulger was murdered in federal prison. they released a report saying the bureau of prisons of the united states has a deeply flawed and troubled agency. >> ken dilanian, a lot in that report. thank you. switching gears here, this afternoon the suspect in the brutal murders of four idaho college students is expected back in court. this is as we learned prosecutors planned to seek the death penalty for bryan kohberger in newly filed court documents, calling the killings especially heinous saying kohberger exhibited utter disregard for human life. nbc news correspondent steve patterson is following the case for us. steve, what can we expect to hear in court later today? >> reporter: yeah, yasmin, today is a pretrial hearing, essentially it is the defense
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pushing the judge and the prosecution for more information, trying to essentially establish some early reasonable doubt. and they're doing this on two fronts. one, there is a motion to have more of the minutes in the information shared between the grand jury and the judge that led to the indictment of kohberger. usually it is a little bit irregular because when you impanel a grand jury, the information they share between a judge and a grand jury stays between a judge and a grand jury. in this case, the defense argues that it is fundamental to the foundation of the understanding of their case. secondly, sort of how the dna evidence was collected in this case, which you have to remember was a new fangled way of collecting that dna and sharing that dna using familial dna to build a tree that essentially established a connection to kohberger. the defense is arguing they want to learn more about that process and also they argued that there were other unknown male dna signatures in and around the crime scene. so they're wondering if that
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evidence was collected and tested. and to do all of this, they essentially also have to ask the judge to sort of delay the proceedings a little bit, so they can understand and disseminate that information between themselves. all of this is, of course, in the specter of the fact that the prosecution is now pushing for the death penalty in this case. we spoke exclusively to the family of one of the victims, steve goncalves had this to say about the decision. listen. >> it is a relief. as a father, you come after my child, i'm going to do everything in my power to make sure that we come after you and we deal with somebody who, you know, took advantage of the situation. we're in a situation of strength and the evidence is there and we feel that we can, you know, they can go forward with this. >> reporter: and one other thing, yasmin, you have to remember in idaho, essentially pushing for the death penalty
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adds a new phase on to the trial itself. there is now a trial phase and a penalty phase. so it further possibly delays proceedings of the case. the defense actually has to almost prepare a death penalty defense. all of this could add up into either a further delay in the trial or adding on to more of the trial, which may further complicate the proceedings here. >> steve patterson, thank you. coming up next, everybody. quote, planned in plain sight. what a new report is saying about why federal agencies failed to prepare for violence on january 6th. we'll be right back. e for violee on january 6th 'lwel be right back.
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that would charge websites every time they link to a news article online. experts warn it could undermine the open internet, punish local newspapers, while subsidizing hedge funds and big media corporations. so tell lawmakers: oppose ab886, because another new tax is the last thing we need. paid for by ccia. all right, welcome back. this morning, new details about intelligence failures ahead of the january 6th attack on the capitol. the senate homeland security committee has a new report out detailing how the fbi, the dhs, other agencies as well, knew there were threats of violence ahead of january 6th, but did not interpret them correctly or
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downplay how serious they were. want to bring in garrett haake who has more on this. looking through this whole thing. what kind of intel failures, garrett, does this report find and who is responsible? >> well, yasmin, the upshot of this report, a bipartisan report put together by the senate homeland security committee is that the fbi and the dhs had all of the information they should need. they were getting raw intelligence in, whether it was open source material from social media, whether it was tips that were coming into the fbi. but they basically saw all the dots and didn't connect them. they didn't put together the sort of myriad variety of threats into a cohesive picture that made them think that perhaps any one of these threats doesn't sound that serious. there is a whole lot of people with similar viewpoints saying the same thing. maybe we need to more aggressively communicate that. it harken the back frankly to the post 9/11 concerns that all these intelligence agencies were
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out gathering their information in silos and not properly communicating the information that they were getting to each other. here's how gary peters, the chairman of this committee, described what they found to my colleague ryan nobles. >> there wasn't coordination between agencies, the same thing that happened in 9/11, and so after the attack at the capitol and as we continue to pursue this investigation, what you get is a lot of finger pointing. every agency is pointing at the other agency and they say they're the ones that dropped the ball and that's simply unacceptable. >> reporter: so, yasmin, i think the fix here is going to be a little bit more complex. i think all these intelligence agencies have been put through the wringer over the last two years, post january 6th anyway. many of them say they have addressed some failures. the capitol police themselves have talked a lot about -- they talked about the idea they're trying to make themselves into an intelligence organization, protective organization first. almost changing the entire scope
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of what they do. so, those efforts are under way, but a good reminder here, all this time later, there is more work to be done to make sure something like that doesn't happen in washington or anywhere else for that matter. >> a lot of work and so much we're learning from the breakdown of that day and what happened. garrett haake, thank you, good to see you. up next, everybody, a front line morale boost as ukraine's president visits his troops amidst a bloody and tough counteroffensive against russia, how they're taking advantage of the russian revolt and is it too soon to count out the wagner group merse nanaries? we'll be right back. naries we'll be right back.
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ukrainians, they want to take advantage of this moment. what are you hearing about how they are and could do that in the future? >> well, yasmin, it is difficult on the battlefield because of the defensive positions the russians have built up over the past several months. but the deputy defense minister in the past 25 minutes or so released a statement about the area around bakhmut, that infamous town, city, that the wagner forces helped to solidify, to gain for the russians a couple of months ago or a month ago and she did say they're taking into account the conflict between the wagner forces or what happened between the wagner forces and russia in their offensive actions and they are taking offensive actions there for the fourth day. she said, just because of the way the defenses have been set up is going to take a little
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more time and patience. and i think that line probably applies to the entire 600 miles of front line in this war, when it comes to the ukrainian offensive. it is something they said in the past. there are a couple of ways that they may be able to take advantage, one just in terms of morale, in trying to get that message across to the russian soldiers, the same message that prigozhin himself was saying four days ago that this war is based on a lie, that ukraine and nato never intended to attack russia, essentially that these russian fighters are fighting for nothing. so the information war side of it could play into their hands. the other thing is just reminding allies, frankly, like the u.s., like the europeans and others, that they need a lot of military help, they need a lot of financial help to continue to fight this war. just yesterday, the eu saying they were bumping up their ukrainian military defense fund
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by $4 billion to the top of $12 billion for the year. that's a big bump and, of course, the u.s. is, we expect, set to announce another $500 million in military aid today. don't have the details of it yet. and it wasn't necessarily timed to was not timed to this, but, again, that's another part of the pr campaign that they relay going forward, saying we are the best defense against a chaotic russia. >> talk about the disbanding of the wagner mercenary group, and reports suggest 50,000 or more wagner mercenary groups were around ukraine, and some will go to belarus and others possibly joining the russian military, and we don't have exact details on all of that. what affect is that going to have on this war in ukraine that
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the ukrainian military can take advantage of? >> as you know, there's a lot of uncertainty surrounding the wagner group. i personally think we will see the wagner group stick around for a while. it may change in some type of form, but as you know they are operating in libya and central africa, and operating in syria, and that's the same wagner group that made up the outfit, and i can't see putin pulling them back, and he has used them for power in those locations, and what will happen is maybe a new commander will come in and lead the wagner group, and those forces that participated in the up rising will be, like he said,
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integrated into the russian military or go home. the effectiveness in terms of ukraine, i assess as a minimum at this point, because when you have in ukraine now, you have 600 miles of dug-in russian troops. yes, they have low morale. yes, they are poorly trained. at the end of the day the ukrainians will have to defeat the russians, break through this significant defense belt here and cut the land bridge. that's what they should be focused on now, because at this point the opportunities that existed this past weekend, i think they passed us by. >> do we even know at this point if the majority of the russian military are still loyal to russian president, vladimir putin? i would go so far to say after seeing the potential rebellion
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over the weekend, it could be a real opportunity for the ukrainian military. >> absolutely. no, we do not know, but from a military perspective, the ukrainians have to assume that the russians are going to put up a fight, so they need to be mentally and physically prepared for that and that's what i'm talking about here as they move forward, they have to assume they are going to continue to have resistance and this is going to be a slow incremental fight and it's going to lead into a heavy fight going forward. >> we are thankful for you. coming up, the foreign
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welcome back, everybody. let's get to dueling campaign events in new hampshire today, donald trump and ron desantis are vying for voters, and one new hampshire-based analyst says ron desantis has the worst strategic move he's seen so far. slightly gain something nikki haley, who has given her first major foreign policy speech of the campaign right now in d.c. we want to get right to ali vitali who is standing by right there.
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i have a twofer for you. we're hearing something pretty interesting from kevin mccarthy today as well? >> reporter: yeah, all my beats colliding in the same place, and that's great, because what nikki haley is trying to do is establish a pattern for giving policy speeches and it was abortion access and now on foreign policy, and she's trying to speak about the current moment with china, and this current moment with russia and giving forceful words and contrast with former president trump giving him credit, for example, for sort of leveling the playing field on u.s. and china relations and saying he didn't do enough and it's notable, especially as we are watching haley and the rest of the field try to find points of contrast with trump. what we are also seeing is the
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rest of the washington, d.c. republican apparatus responding to trump, and kevin mccarthy making headlines when he said he thought trump could win in a general election, but also saying he didn't know if it was the strongest candidate the gop could put forward. congress is in recess, but when they are back, we will be asking about that. >> thank you as always. that does it for me, everybody. i am back in for ana tomorrow, and right now "josé diaz-balart reports" starts right now. i am lindsey reiser in for josé diaz-balart. a short time ago the justices declined to impose new limits on state courts reviewing certain election-related issues, and this is a case from north carolina, so joining us is julie ainsley from outside the

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