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an armed rebellion. and a key piece of evidence in the documents case against donald trump is revealed and we'll play it for you. nbc news reporters are following the latest developments but i want to start there with this new audio tape tied to the classified documents case. ryan riley is here. this tape was in the indictment but now the world gets to hear it. tell us more. >> that's right. you know, obviously this is a really critical piece of evidence for jack smith's investigative team here and now we get to hear for ourselves what donald trump said when he was discussing these classified documents. take a listen. >> this was done by the military and given to me. i think we can probably, right? >> i don't know. we'll have to see. yeah, we'll have to try to -- >> declassify it. as president, i can declassify it. no, i can't. isn't that interesting?

it's so cool. >> one thing that's unique is that it goes to donald trump's state of mind and he's explicitly stating what the law is. saying he couldn't declassify it before when he was president but he no longer had the power to when he was out of office. i think the dispute will be whether donald trump knew he could have these documents but there's a lot of evidence. was warned over and over again these documents were not something he should be able to hold on to. so i think this is interesting to see how this plays out. of course, a lot of people had access to this tape. it was recorded in conjunction with a memoir that was being written. given what we've seen thus far, things coing from the trump team is a safe bet there, especially with how really lock and key jack smith's team has been with a lot of the evidence here. >> thank you. we'll speak to you again in a

bit. in russia today, putin is calling on allies an congratulating military officers for what he says was a successful effort to block an insider rebellion. matt bradley has been following all the developments. what more have we learned about the deal to stop the wagner uprising and what about prigozhin? is he in belarus? >> we've been hearing a lot, they confirmed prigozhin arrived in belarus along with some of his men. that's the main part of the deal. prigozhin will presumably live there in exile. it remains unclear if he and the remains of his wagner mercenary group will continue to play a role in the fighting. other terms of the deal were brokered by the president of belarus. it says prigozhin and his men

will avoid prosecution and the others would be given the option for signing up for russia's regular military. meanwhile in moscow, president putin and the kremlin put on quite a show. trying to demonstrate they were back to business as usual and even trying to spin this major challenge to putin's power as kind of a victory for russia's armed forces. so putin gave this heroic looking outdoor speech flanked by officers in which he praised the armed forces and acknowledged some had been killed in the uprising. even if he presented strong optics, his speech might not nullify the many soldiers who are going to wonder why men who took up arms and killed their comrades were given amnesty. >> thank you for that. now to that breaking decision from the supreme court that has major implications for future elections. julia is following that for us. so walk us through, julia, all

the details of this decision. of course, what it means. >> well, chris, this first started in my home state of north carolina where the republican controlled legislation wanted to control some of the congressional districts and redraw them in a way that their state supreme court said was unconstitutional by the state law. the republican-led legislature said no, the court doesn't get to weigh in because of something they call the independent state legislature theory that came to the supreme court where north carolina argued that really the court doesn't have the right to weigh in. their supreme court can't stop them on redrawing congressional districts or really anything when it comes to administering the federal elections within their own state. the supreme cour could have declined to take this up because since that time, the republican controlled legislature has put in place a republican controlled supreme court in north carolina. a court that said it was no longer challenging those

congressional districts but this supreme court did still decide to take it up and today we saw a majority opinion written by chief justice roberts. a 6-3 opinion that said no. north carolina went way too far here. that's a very broad interpretation of the independent state legislature theory and that in fact, they were not in their rights to do, to go against the court and the court did have the right to serve as the check in these cases. >> thank you from the supreme court. the man accused of murdering four idaho college students is due in court today as the state reveals it will seek the death penalty. steve patterson has more. what did prosecutors say about this decision? >> reporter: in order to pursue the death penalty in idaho, prosecutors had to file for pursuing the death penalty in idaho and they did that yesterday. to do that, they had to meet a certain set of stipulations. one is about the crimes here

were especially heinous. this will no doubt add more time either to the front end of the trial or to the back end. maybe even delay it because you're adding an extra layer of litigation to the proceedings. not only that, but you're essentially splitting the trial into two phases. a trail phase and a penalty phase and the jury will have to deliberate on both of those despite that, family members say they are on board even if there is a delay of justice. we spoke to one of the families. the father said this about the system. >> really as a father, come after my child, i'm going to do everything in my power to make sure that we come after you and deal with somebody you know, was, took advantage of the situation. i'm glad we're in a situation of strength and the evidence is there and we feel that we can you know, they can go forward

with this. >> meanwhile, the accused kohberger is in court today for another pretrial hearing. his attorneys want documents associated to what the grand jury and judge discussed leading up to his indictment. they also want more on fact finding on the dna gathered at the scene. both of those expected to add even more time to the process. >> thank you for that. still ahead, how will that russian rebellion affect putin's standing with his spies? a former kgb agent joins me live. we're back in 60 seconds. gent j live we're back in 60 seconds

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amid those unanswered questions, regional experts are questioning whether putin's back story holds. telling "the wall street journal," quote -- joining me now, someone who intimately knows how moscow's deal making works and how putin's inner circle works. a former agent who spent a decade working for russia. he is the author of deep undercover. my secret life and tangled allegiances as a kgb spy in america. thank you for being with us. so i wonder what you make of this back and forth and simply the fact that prigozhin lives and is apparently in belarus. >> a lot of questions. ask a lot of good questions. there are no clear answers. with regard to information as to what's going on, i don't think

there's any individual even the main players, who have a good view of the big picture. they may need, may know some things they're directly involved in and by the way, i will not believe that prigozhin is in belarus until a trusted source has seen him. the lies and the misinformation, the propaganda in that arena, i think if tell us what we've been in the espionage business call the -- of mirrors, where you really don't, it's really difficult to find the truth and whether somebody's lying to you. one other thing with regard to espionage, you bet there are moles, ukrainian moles and russian moles in ukraine and you

don't know who is working for whom anymore. so propaganda, lies. putin is a phenomenal manipulator of the russian people. there was only the wagner group that was marching towards moscow and my guess is, it's a guess. but i think it may make a lot of sense. prigozhin actually, he wanted to send a message and he got too far ahead of himself. he stopped and turned around because what do you do when you take over moscow? you know, in revolutionary times, the killer gets killed. and the kgb had a horrendous history of killing their own. eight, out of the eight heads of the kgb between 1923 and 1956 were actually killed and

sometimes their families as well when they were replaced. so i don't see any, anybody shining light on the situation where we have a good understanding. one more thing, i'm in good company here. yesterday, i heard the general, general kellogg on the radio. he's a very, very highly respected retired general and he stated clearly without being ashamed, i don't know what's going on. >> so let's talk about based on your experience with putin and your experience with the kgb and then with u.s. counterintelligence. maybe at least some indications of what might be going on. you have said before that what putin fears most is backlash from the very people in his innermost circle. correct me if i say this the wrong way but i think this group is called the -- all the former kgb and security officers. what do you think is happening within that inner circle?

how worried is putin himself but maybe more to the point, how worried are the people around him? >> now, i would like to gently correct you. siloveki are not necessarily all ex kgb. i'm past 70 and i was one of the younger people when i joined so there aren't too many ex kgb who could be what, the translation is people of force. it's the police, the intelligence services. anybody who is allowed to use force on behalf of the government. now, having said that, they are generally well trained, highly motivated, and intelligent. and they sort of are a crowd of

following proudly the heritage of the kgb. yes, i believe that putin has to be concerned about those but he is what keeps the balance of power as it is and as it has been maintained for years. the leaders, they're all brutal killers if necessary. and they know that their competitors including putin cannot be toyed with. so to have a conspiracy happening against vladimir, if you participate in that, you put your own life at risk. so i think it's just like, there's this playing around and maybe a little whispering here and there but i don't see any resolution of any kind happening and if somebody winds up maybe

killing putin, he might as well be killed himself and whoever winds up as a successor that would be picked from that group, they could be even worse than vladimir. wishful thinking by the west that this is going to happen. get resolved very soon and lots, as i said, lots of questions and anybody who claims to have the answers is deceiving themselves. >> we only have a minute left but what will you be watching for next that will give you an indication potentially of where this might be headed? is there a key question that you think you would like to have answered and once you do, it will give you little more clarity? >> well, the one thing that you know we need to figure out whether putin actually will go

through with having prigozhin in belarus and that man would be a walking dead person. you do not rebel against putin and get away with it. but his troops, prigozhin troops, will be dispersed among the russian army, they're losing the strongest military force that they had, which will weaken putin and russia even more. not to the extent i think that actually ukraine will outright win the war but it's just going to be more back and forth, back and forth and i don't, i really don't see an ending to all of this. i wish we could see this, stop this killing in ukraine, women and children, but i'm sad to say i can't see it.

>> thank you so much. we really appreciate you taking the time today. former u.n. ambassador and presidential candidate, nikki haley, is weighing in on the turmoil in russia, also calling out her former boss on china. ali vitali is following this for us. what more did we hear from her today? >> at this point, she is connecting what her -- to the larger tum ultimate we've seen in russia saying the chinese are watching closely what's happening now and there are implications for whole in which the u.s. continues to play. she was also critical of her former boss in china saying perhaps the clearest way yet she thinks trump showed a weak moral compass in the ways he dealt with xi. i want to play her assessment on the russia china front then about her former boss. watch.

>> the united states must help ukraine defeat the russian invasion. a russian defeat would be an enormous loss for china and a true victory for peace. the events of this past weekend show how weak and shaky the russian leadership is. now is the time to seize the moment and help ukraine bring this war to a decisive end. trump did too little about the rest of the chinese threat. he did not put us on a stronger military foothold in asia. he did not stop the flow of american technology and investment into the chinese military. he did not effectively rally our allies against the chinese threat. >> probably one of the most direct criticisms of her former boss i've seen from her thus far. she's really trying to drive home the points she's an expert

on the foreign policy stage. she's also starting to show a pattern of doing these kinds of speeches at think tanks central to policy issues on the campaign trail. a few weeks ago, she did one on abortion access now here in washington doing one focused on the foreign policy landscape specifically through the lens of china. leveraging criticism at trump and joe biden, showing the ways she is trying to contrast from the primary while looking ahead to a general. >> thank you for that. just minutes from now, former president trump's legal team will attempt to get his hush money case moved. what we can expect to hear in those arguments, next. can expec those arguments, next. u & doug ♪ what do we always say, son? liberty mutual customizes your car insurance... so you only pay for what you need. that's my boy. now you get out there, and you make us proud, huh? ♪ bye, uncle limu. ♪

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even though he didn't do any of these things because the alleged crimes happened when he was president. all relates to the hush money payment to stormy daniel in 2016. the payment was made then allegedly but the payments he made to michael cohen were during the time that he was president, mr. trump says. he said he did that when he was president so he's immune from state prosecution and that cohen was acting on his own behalf and so on and so forth. the bottom line is the d.a.'s going to push back hard and say these crimes happened when you were, related to your business dealings in the state of new york. that was the alleged crime. falsifying business records. they say it has nothing to do with his capacity as president and they're going the try to push this case forward in state court. there's already a trial date set for march if we keep going at this pace, however, it could be delayed. of course, mr. trump's critics say this is what it's all about. delaying. trying to complicate the process

and as he tries to fight these charges and several others he's facing. >> david, my understanding is pretty hard in a situation like this to get something moved. on the other hand, we just heard the case they think they have to make and this is unlike any other case that's ever existed as we often say. so what do you think about the arguments they're going to make and do they have a legit chance here? >> chris, it's beyond a stretch. i think this breaks the point of any type of common sense. basically what you're saying is look, this happened while i was in office so anything i do when i'm president counts as being something done under the color of my office. also, it's not really fraud. it involves questions of election law and those are questions for federal courts, not state courts. those aren't likely to succeed because the prosecutor would had to have gotten it wrong. this is a game of hot potato and

you're asking the judge to catch it and hold it and federal court doesn't want to do that anymore than else with common sense wants to. he's not just defending his court cases. he's also running for president. what this does is helps him do court filings and proceedings advance his narrative. >> well let's talk about those court filings because the way things look now it would be possible for this trial to happen in the middle of a presidential election which he is and we all know the front-runner. how much could something like this delay things and how many more could there be coming if the president wants to keep this dragged out, can he? >> yes. he can. and keep many mind, i've tried somewhere around 70 to 80 trials at this point in my career. i've never, ever, ever had a case go on the first court setting. so cases routinely get continued.

in part because what lawyers can effectively argue here, keep in mind, i've got no love for president trump, but i would say he's entitled to a fair trial. part of that involves me mounting the strongest defense i can and i can't when he's under so much stress his attention is divided. courts should not be partisan but we shouldn't go so far to be nonpartisan that the work in a justice. their kids have had surgeries, graduating from college. it's reasonable under these circumstances. i think that logic is likely to succeed. >> under the circumstances he's running for president or is there an argument and are there communications about the fact there are multiple court proceedings he's facing? >> i think you want to keep it based on the stress he's going to be under. you don't want to lean into the fact solely that he's running for president but you bring up a good point with the multiple court cases he's facing because he has to manage multiple cases.

the danger of getting this case pushed back, maybe the florida case gets tried before this one then you run the risk of being a convicted felon in new york. that may also come up during the punishment phase of the trial and near judges nor juries tend to like that. on top of that, what you gain procedurally, you lose because you control of -- lawyer, different tiles, no one wants to give up in court. what's really going on here, no cameras in federal court. that also gives him an advantage. >> david, ron, thank you both so much. the mother of the 19-year-old who died on board the submersible said her son had dreams of breaking a world record while on the trip. here's what she told the bbc. >> would not go anywhere without

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a turf war of sorts is playing out today in new hampshire where ron desantis refuse today back out of an event even when asked just 40 minutes away from where donald trump is headlining. he held a meeting in concord that's organized by the state's federation of republican women. a powerful group and a group that came down hard on desantis for holding a dualing event.

one called it quote -- nbc news political correspondent, vaughn hillyard is in concord with more. desantis' campaign has paused advertising in the granite state. it's dropped in the polls. now it's getting into some trouble with this womens group. what are you hearing from his side? some would say there are dualing events on the campaign trail especially in the early months all the time. >> we're six months away from the new hampshire primary at this point. of course, this is not the first time that donald trump has had a duelling event with him and for desantis, the pitch he did make to the republican voters that did come to hear him today was that do you want to continue to relitigate issues from two or three years ago let alone issues from today. but donald trump is embracing

those. there was no defense of the audio tape that came out last night. there was no defense of the indictment at all but what you did hear from donald trump was making this case to several hundred at this republican women's luncheon was the fact that he is is one standing in the way for them. take a listen to donald trump in the case that he was making to these republicans here in new hampshire. >> every time the radical left democrats markists, communists and fascists indict me, i consider it a badge, a great, great beautiful badge of honor and courage. because i'm being indicted for you. and i believe that you is far more than 200 million people that love our country. not the 75 million people that we got. that's what they said we got. okay? >> now frankly, chris, you know, you can in politics oftentimes,

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we have breaking news for you. the biden administration just moments ago unveiling new sanctions on companies and an individual tied to the wagner group. nbc news chief foreign affairs correspondent, andrea mitchell, joins me now. this comes quickly after everything that unfolded in russia but what do we know about who's the target of these sanctions? >> prigozhin. prigozhin and all of his groups are the targets of these sanctions. i have to tell you that this was initiated before they began their operations, the military operation, the attempt to take over the military, really. in russia this weekend. in fact, this really is targeting their foreign operations across sub-saharan africa, accusing them of war crimes, atrocities, exploiting those countries, having ties with corrupt regimes. exploiting them for their role,

their incredible valued minerals. at one point, richard engel was reporting exclusively for "nbc nightly news" and for msnbc just a week and a half ago or so that they had earned maybe nearly half a billion dollars in the central african republic and were getting it from that leader, keeping that leader and government in power and exploiting slave labor of the workers. who all were just working in the gold mines and all of the profits, the riches of that country were going to the wagner group and of course to the leader of the central african republic. so now the treasury has done this. they've been working on it for quite some time and simultaneously, of course, u.s. intelligence was tracking the efforts internally in russia and ukraine by the wagner group. but the wagner group is really an international criminal organization now. they've been operating in syria

and now across africa. that's where they make their money. that is what has really -- prigozhin and these sanctions will try to get at their money making operations in these countries. chris? >> andrea mitchell with that breaking news. thank you. we're on verdict watch in a case that's the first of its kind. a school resource officer who did not confront the parkland shooter in 2018 now faces 11 counts of child neglect as well as negligence. scott peterson pleaded not guilty to all charges. blaine alexander is covering the trial and often when you're covering trials, you're left to just wonder what the jury is thinking. but today, they asked some questions. what can you tell us? >> that's right. they asked a couple of questions this morning. we know they've been deliberating. they started deliberations yesterday. they've been doing so for the better part of the day but we're watching closely to see when

we'll get a verdict. this could have ramifications far beyond florida because this is believed to be the first time in history that a school resource officer is facing charges for their actions or in this case, prosecutors say their inactions during a school shooting. right now, he is facing 11 charges and they're directly linked to the ten victims who died on the third floor of the building. prosecutors really paint a disturbing picture. they say when he arrived at that building, the shooter had not even entered the third floor. so the charges are reflecting the seven people that died, the three people that were shot and injured and then an additional charge for perjury. prosecutors say -- a school resource officer, fired a gun in the air anything, that likely would have saved lives. they think there are some 140 rounds fired and nearly half were fired after he got on to the scene. for the defense's part, they say

he didn't know which building the shots were coming from. he didn't think they were coming from that building so they're defending his actions there but when you speak to the parents of those victims who died in that building, they say they believe this would add a level of justice to the pain they're dealing with. take a look. >> there's a possibility that is a precedent setting moment but the issue is that really we need people to act. we need those in charge of taking care of our children to do the right thing. in this case, clearly, that did not happen. >> we need to send a message to that law enforcement can't just stay behind the concrete pillar for 48 minutes while people are getting shot. >> so again, chris, as we're watching for a verdict in this trial, so many thoughts go to the questions of what would this say, what sort of signal would this send. peterson is facing up to 96

years in prison. he's also facing the possibility of losing his $104,000 annual pension. many minds go to uvalde when you think about cases like this where officers there are facing intense criticism for their action. this action during that shooting and it also raise it is question of what do you expect from school resource officers as shootings unfortunately are becoming more common. >> thank you. i know you'll keep us posted on what's happening. a january 6th defendant is defending himself at trial and questioning his own son as a witness. we'll tell you how that went. but first, one tourist attempt at a romantic gesture could land him in serious legal trouble. here, you actually see the man carving his girlfriend's name into the walls of the ancient nearly 2,000-year-old coliseum in rome. italy's culture minister was not charmed by that. he tweeted it's a sign of great

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family drama at a hearing for an accused january 6th rioter. he was representing himself at court when the moment came for him to question the son who turned him into the fbi. joining me now, ryan riley. there were some pretty emotional, crazy, wild moments. tell us what happened. >> it was. sort soft turned into some family therapy there because you know by the end of the testimony, you essentially had the father representing himself, asking the son whether he knew that he loved him and whether he knew he was proud of him and afterwards, you saw some tears being shed. essentially what happened here is this was individual, the son,

was one of several individuals who tipped off the fbi about his father being at the capitol on january 6th. now in the initial court documents, we didn't know that was his son but as it turned out when it came time for trail, the prosecution considered calling him. they ended up not going with it. their case is pretty strong. video evidence is all right there and brian doesn't really dispute he was at the capitol. or his actions. his defense is based on his allegation that police used excessive force that day as well as some of the more conspiracy minded theories we saw pop up about what happened on january 6th. he ended up calling his son to the stand, handed him a bottle of water. the prosecution asked when they got a chance to cross examine the son, who was paying for his trip to d.c. and a.j. mock said my dad. he paid for the air fare, the hotel. he testified he has a

complicated relationship with his father. they deeply disagree on a lot of these issues. right after january 6th, he was pretty upset with what his father had done and said in a text message that he and the other people who attacked the capital should spend the rest of their lives in prison. now he's saying he has regrets about the impact this had on his father's life and doesn't feel the same way he did immediately afterwards and would prefer his father not go to jail but he testified he was going to tell the truth and some of his testimony wasn't supportive of some of the points his father was trying to make. a few of these defendants have gone prosay. usually lawyers advise you it's not a good idea but that's how this one played out so far. we'll hear in the next few weeks, next week likely, how this is going to play out. >> i can honestly say i've never

heard anything like that. that's going to do it for us this hour. join us every weekday 1:00 to 3:00 p.m. eastern. our coverage continues now with katy tur reports. h katy tur reports good to be with you. i'm katy tur. first there were reports then there was a transcript in jack smith's indictment and now there is the full audio recording. nbc news has now obtained the tape of donald trump allegedly talking about a classified document he took with him from the white house while recording an interview for mark meadows book. a ten secret document the special counsel argues the president showed four people in the room. a writer, publisher and two of his white house aides. >> these are bad, sick people. >> that was your cue, you know, against you. >> started