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i'm yasmin vossoughian in for ana cabrera. today a man who felt direct heat from donald trump to overturn the 2020 election will speak to the department of justice. the special counsel's team meeting with georgia's secretary of state brad raffensperger. this happening as we learn that a close trump ally, rudy giuliani also had a sit-down with jack smith's team. what all of this means for that investigation and for the former president as well. plus, a double dose of wild, wild weather, storms snarling travel as canadian wildfire smoke prompts new air alerts here in the united states. also ahead, was there help from the inside? reporting from "the new york times" that a russian general knew about the recent rebellion before it even happened. and later on, malaria in the united states. dr. natalie azar joins us with more cases of the illness not seen here in two decades. we begin with the new legal developments surrounding the former president. at some point today georgia's

secretary of state brad rafens rafensberger will speak with investigators related to its january 6th investigation. this will be his first interview with the justice department and jack smith is likely very interested in that now infamous phone call he had with the former president. >> all i want to do is this, i just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have. because we won the state and flipping the state is a great testament to our country. >> all right, let's get into this, joining us now is nbc news national correspondent gabe gutierrez, lisa rubin, msnbc legal analyst who's been in court with donald trump's lawyers for some of his recent legal sagas, ryan reilly, nbc news justice reporter and former republican congressman carlos curbelo as well. ryan, start things off for us, if you will.

we don't know exactly what raffensperger is going to say today in his testimony to the special counsel. but we have somewhat of an idea based upon his previous comments. >> that's very true. of course we have the phone call itself, which is really the best evidence you have, better than eyewitness account. you have that tape directly itself. investigators are going to want to get some of the context around the phone call, on how it came about, maybe some of the communications with the white house, how this all sort of laid out. i think it's important to listen back to what raffensperger said during his testimony before the january 6th committee. >> did 5,000 dead people in georgia vote? >> no, it's not accurate. we found two dead people, when i wrote my letter to congress that's dated january 6th, and subsequent to that we found two more. that's one, two, three, four people, not 4,000, but just a total of four, not 10,000, not 5,000. >> raffensperger is actually a really interesting figure here,

he's someone who unexpectedly prevailed in a subsequent election after all of this despite some predictions he would not actually be able to win a victory following this -- actually this scandal that he got himself in the center of because of how strong the trump support is in his home state. so this is someone who has said -- hasn't indicated that he would necessarily rule out voting for donald trump in the future but could be a key figure going forward in this critical investigation that the special counsel's office is conducting. >> lisa rubin, rafraffensperger giuliani, it seems as if they are zeroing in. what does this say to you about the stage of the special counsel's investigation? >> i think, yasmin, it's hard to say where anyone is in an investigation. for example, right before the florida indictment, the last witness, at least that we saw go in, was taylor budawich.

that having been said, the fact that rudy giuliani has gone in voluntarily combined with the "new york times" reporting about jack smith's team focusing in on the fake electors i think is really significant. we saw in recent weeks that two of the nevada fake electors have gone in and some reporting that they've cooperated. now with rudy giuliani going in, he's one of the named lawyers at the center of the fake elector scheme. one of the things jack smith's team reportedly wants to know is were these people taking direct instruction from trump. the link between trump and actual orders or directives is i think a thing that jack smith's team is still trying to establish, and giuliani's voluntarily going in is a sign perhaps of his cooperation as well. >> go one step further for me, if you can. do you actually think that's something that rudy giuliani considering his loyalty so far to the former president would offer as to whether or not he was getting direct instructions from the former president knowing how that could implicate him? >> well, i think that if rudy giuliani makes a decision to

cooperate, it's not going to be partial or selective or at his whims. it's going to be either all or nothing with jack smith and his team. so i don't think rudy giuliani has the luxury of picking and choosing which things he's going to say. he's either going to tell the truth or he's going to be prosecuted for lying to prosecutors sfwr former president reacting yesterday, gabe, what was he saying? >> he is talking about the classified documents case, and he's offering a changing explanation, yasmin. this new explanation, a potential new defense that it was, quote, bravado, and telling abc news in an interview that he wasn't holding up classified material at all. and let's take a listen to what he told fox news digital yesterday. >> i had a whole desk full of lots of papers and mostly newspaper articles, copies of magazines, copies of different plans, copies of stories, having to do with many, many subjects, and what was said was absolutely fine and very perfectly. we did nothing wrong.

this is a whole hoax. >> this is something he has repeatedly said that he did nothing wrong, but offering potentially that new defense that he had different kinds of papers in there including potentially plans for golf courses, and so that is obviously different than the explanation he was giving, you know, several months ago saying that, you know, he could declassify this if he wanted to. that was apparently disproven by the tape. now he's shifting that saying it was his bravado, that it wasn't really -- that those weren't really classified documents. >> not classified documents, actually bravado. i just want to remind folks what that tape actually said, what he said, what the former president himself said. i just found it, isn't that amazing? this totally wins my case, you know, except it is like highly confidential. he said, except it is, like, highly confidential. he said this is secret information. that to me does not sound like it is plans for a golf course. >> no, it doesn't, and yesterday one of the things he said in an interview was that in his desk

he had copies of different plans. later in the day he then clarified he meant building plans or plans for golf courses, but i took the copies of different plans to be a very sly allusion to the fact that maybe he did have in his desk plans that were militaristic in their nature. this constantly shifting explanation for his conduct, even within the space of a day, even for donald trump to go from jedi mind tricks, i can declassify them with my mind to it's just bravado is really something. >> he's also talked about the fact that he says he has clothing in those boxes. this has shifted quite a bit e. yesterday in those different interviews, different explanations. >> yeah. congressman, i want you to weigh in here on what we're hearing from kevin mccarthy today. i think one of the questions surrounding all of this, admits kind of these multiple indictments the former president is facing is whether members of the republican party are going to abandon him. kevin mccarthy kind of giving us

a glimpse into the thinking yesterday, but then also wanting to walk that back. on cnbc yesterday saying this, the question is he the strongest to win the election? i don't know that answer, but then of course walking it back, just look at the numbers this morning, trump is stronger today than he was back in 2016. what do you make of this back and forth? >> well, yasmin, every once in a while you hear what republicans really think about donald trump, and the truth is that most congressional republicans know that donald trump is bad for the country. they know he's bad for the republican party, but they don't want to say that out loud. every once in a while it slips out, and then of course they walk it back because the greatest fear that republicans have is having a primary problem, having donald trump go in and influence their primary, support someone else, and take them out. so that's what happened yesterday with speaker mccarthy. speaker mccarthy knows that what would be best for the republican party, what would be best for

the country is to turn the page, put forward a new candidate. he said it or he alluded to it, and then he quickly had to walk it back because he doesn't want to have a problem with donald trump. he's only got a few votes to spare in the house, and if donald trump activates a handful of true believers in the house that really do support him and believe in him, that could spell trouble for kevin mccarthy. >> it seems like ron desantis doesn't want a problem with the former president either despite the fact that he's running against him to win the nomination here. asked by a teenage boy yesterday to condemn the former president's efforts to overturn the 2020 election, here's what he said, congressman. >> do you believe that trump violated the peaceful transfer of power, a key principle of american democracy that we must uphold? >> well, thank you for the question. so here's what i know. if this election is about biden's failures and our vision for the future, we are going to

win. if it's about relitigating things that happened two, three years ago, we're going to lose. >> congressman? >> yeah, i think it's pretty hard to defeat someone by following them. it's pretty hard to defeat someone by refusing to distinguish yourself from them so it really does seem that ron desantis's campaign is predicated on the fact that perhaps donald trump is going to drop out of this race, perhaps he's going to end up in jail, and then desantis can inherit all of the trump supporters by staying as loyal to him as possible while running against him. it's really just kind of a strange situation where you see people trying to defeat someone, yet refusing to distinguish themselves from them, refusing to criticize this person, especially when, you know, it's very obvious when someone asks you was what he did on the 6th of january okay, and you can't say, no, it wasn't. it's just a really strange

situation. so to me, desantis is just betting on trump somehow getting out of this race at some appoint because if he stays in the race, it really doesn't -- it's not clear how he can defeat him with this strategy. >> as we're talking about these legal troubles the former president is facing, we're getting some breaking news in here, we're learning the former president is suing now e. jean carroll claiming that she defamed him on television. this piece saying the former president alleged in his lawsuit that carroll, quote, unquote acted with malice when she said that he -- and they used the word raped her after a jury had found him not liable for that claim. what do you make of this? >> i think it's gob smacking. e. jean carroll recently amended the lawsuit that she filed with respect to trump's statements against her in june of 2019. that's the case we're talking about, not the case that was tried to verdict. donald trump is now countersuing and saying by saying that she was raped and continuing to say that after the jury verdict, he has been defamed because all the

jury found was that he sexually assaulted her. to me that's kind of laughable. if for no other reason than showing that he was reputationally damaged by a claim of rape when a jury did find that he sexually assaulted her is somewhat preposterous. how do you sort out the damage to donald trump's reputation from a sexual assault finding versus all the other things that he's done including january 6th, the records allegations, the manhattan d.a.'s criminal indictment. this is a person who is under attack on a variety of fronts, has a variety of legal problems. e. jean carroll is the least of them. so i'm really interested to see how they intend to prove this, if it's not dismissed first, yasmin. >> thank you guys. we are back in just 60 seconds, folks. pack your patience. how extreme weather is causing mass travel chaos. plus, it's back, where wildfire smoke from canada is prompting new alerts here in the

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world. we know with what that's like here in new york city. take a look at the difference in the skyline, the smoke blanketed that city. want to bring in nbc's antonia hylton, nbc's sam brock in steamy, new orleans. antonia let me start with you on this one. i cannot open up my instagram feed, any of my social media feeds without seeing friends, family, that have been delayed at airports, all out canceled told they can't travel until friday or saturday at the earliest. what are folks dealing with? >> reporter: well, yasmin, they are dealing with those kinds of headaches and frustrations right now, long lines, you can expect if you're traveling in the next couple of days. there have been more than 700 cancellations across the country today, and here at logan in boston, dozens just at this airport alone. and the staff here at logan have been handing out these thin, green cots to families who have been stuck here overnight or for long stretches of time needing to get some rest on something

better than one of the airport benches here. you can see the palpable exhaustion on people's faces. this is of course coming too as we get ready for the hottest week of air travel. i mean, it's about to be july 4th. hopper estimates that starting tomorrow through wednesday, we're going to see about 24 million americans departing from airports. and so if you're one of those people, make sure you get here early, and you are mentally prepared for the fact that there may be some delays or cancellations. you might get to some of those holiday events a little late, yasmin. >> and then, sam, you've got the dangerously high heat, right? the temperatures that we are facing across the south, especially that high heat from texas moving towards where you are today. how are folks coping? >> reporter: it's hyperdangerous, yasmin. really this whole area from louisiana to texas, all throughout the gulf. but yeah, new orleans is basically the epicenter of that heat wave, at least at the moment. now, the city's mayor says they're in good shape as long as the power situation continues as

it is. they've had certainly heating center -- or excuse me, cooling centers that are open. they're checking up on vulnerable populations. contrast that to what's going on in the city of memphis. shelly county's mayor declared a state of emergency. they have 30,000 people without power. it demonstrates the fragility of our cities right now in the midst of this heat wave. >> this morning millions of people across the country waking up to scorching triple digit temperatures. >> i wish i could tell you i'm used to it after 45 years, but i'm not. it's still hot. >> reporter: with the heat wave in full effect, the national weather service saying it's essential to limit your heat exposure. local leaders also quickly ramping up cooling centers, transportation, check ins, especially in new orleans, which is facing record heat levels. >> this is unprecedented. we know that the city of new orleans has been on the front lines of climate change. this is yet another example of that. extreme, excessive heats that we've never experienced before. >> reporter: the sizzling

conditions spreading to many other cities too including houston where triple digit temps buckled roads. and the electrical grid in texas breaking its all-time daily usage record for june. >> trying to stay hydrated and stay in the shade as much as possible. >> reporter: to the north, canadian wildfire smoke once again impacting air quality in the u.s. both chicago and detroit were rated the worst air quality in the world on tuesday. that choking smoke expected to arrive in new york as early as today. while in oklahoma, a possible tornado tearing through this barn, threatening supercell clouds producing wind gusts topping 100 miles an hour. a stark contrast to this extreme heat that has some questioning whether it's even worth going outside. >> i will not be leaving my house unless i absolutely have to. i mean, it's -- 100 degrees is unbearable. >> reporter: --

>> it seems as if we lost our connection to sam brock. we are thankful to him for that. i want to get to some breaking news, the man charged with a subway chokehold death pled not guilty in a new york city courtroom. we want to get straight to our emilie ikeda outside the courthouse for us. take us inside, if you will, the courtroom today and what took place. >> reporter: hey there, yasmin. the arraignment playing out just a matter of minutes ago. we now know the exact charges that the 24-year-old marine veteran, daniel penny, is facing, and they include manslaughter in the second degree along with negligent homicide. we're told by his lawyers that he entered a not guilty plea, and those lawyers taking to a throng of media mics behind me saying that they have the utmost confidence that when jurors see the case, see the evidence, they will agree with daniel penny's team. you'll recall that he was caught on video in the beginning of may holding jordan neely, who was experiencing homelessness and suffering from mental illness in

a chokehold after witnesses say that he had been making threats aboard a subway train early in may. that's what the assistant district attorney had told a judge earlier this month. we saw a series of recorded statements released by daniel penny's legal team. he argued that he was acting in self-defense, that he was just trying to restrain jordan neely. here's more from his team of lawyers just minutes after the arraignment. take a listen. >> what gives you such confidence in the outcome of the trial? >> it's confidence in the legal system in trying case for quite some time, confidence in the law. confidence that our client acted within the confines of the law in this case. >> reporter: and those lawyers also said this has been a really difficult time for daniel penny. he continues to go to school throughout this process. they would not say whether we could expect him to take the stand when this case moves to

trial. on the other side of things we heard from jordan neely's legal team with brief comments after the fact. the lawyer saying daniel penny killed a man, he took a life. he too expressing confidence that justice will prevail. daniel penny was arrested nearly two weeks after the incident played out, and that delay led to a series of widespread protests that we saw throughout the city even shutting town subway systems. and this case has really been a lightning rod for issues like homelessness, crime, and race, yasmin. >> emilie ikeda for us, thank you. up next, everybody, new details about that failed russian rebellion and who the wagner group's chief was aiming to capture. what president biden just told reporters this morning. and i'll speak with the former u.s. ambassador to russia about that new reporting and why he says putin may soon be remembered as putin the weak. also ahead, malaria in america, what you need to know about the first case of local transmission in two decades.

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welcome back, everybody. moments ago the president talked to reporters about the russian president saying he's been weakened by the attempted revolt in russia, that as we're learning in detail is on two fronts about the thwarted plan. "the new york times" reporting that a senior russian general may have helped plan wagner mercenary chief yevgeny prigozhin's rebellion. "the wall street journal" reporting that prigozhin had planned to capture russian military leaders but was forced to change course when the country's domestic intelligence agency learned of his plot. that is according to western officials, and we should note, nbc news has not confirmed that reporting as of yet. i'm here with secretary of state tony blinken on the situation earlier on "morning joe." >> this is and it remains in many ways an extraordinary moment because i think it's further revealed the failure of russia's war in ukraine both abroad and also at home.

and we're seeing some cracks emerge not just in what it's doing on the ground in ukraine, but back toward moscow. >> nbc news foreign correspondent kelly cobiella is with us from the capital city of kyiv and former u.s. ambassador to russia and nbc news international affairs analyst, ambassador michael mcfaul is joining us as well. ambassador, i want to start with you, the kremlin calling the reports that the senior russian general may have known about prigozhin's plans in advance. they're calling it speculation, right? "the new york times" going on to say this, american officials also said there are signs that other russian generals may have also supported mr. prigozhin's attempts to change the leadership of the defense ministry by force. current and former u.s. officials said mr. prigozhin would not have launched his uprising unless he believed that others in positions of power would come to his aid. you and i did not speak about this specifically over the

weekend, but while we watched the advance on moscow, it was perplexing to see prigozhin not really meet any barriers as he made his way and seemed somewhat preplanned. what do you make of this reporting? >> well, lots of things ask lots of questions, right? first that the kremlin says it's just speculation. that's not a big denunciation, they didn't say this is poppycock, this is crazy, this is speculation. the general in question has been the main interlog tor with prigozhin for a long time. that's been well-known. at the beginning of this mutiny he got on a video and said lay down your weapons, and one other general did too, but then hours later, you know, showing it right now, one of those other generals right to mr. per -- prigozhin's right, he's one of the people that said lay down

your weapons. why is he talking to traitors in relaxed way in rostov. no resistance all the way to rostov, 200 kilometers outside of moscow, very little resistance, and if our intelligence services knew that this was being planned -- which has now been reported -- surely the russian intelligence services knew it as well. so again, it is speculation. i agree with the kremlin. we don't know for sure, but there's a lot of mystery here, and remember, one other really important thing that putin himself told us yesterday, wagner group has been completely dependent on the russian state. the russian military. the notion that they are independent is incorrect. that suggests that they probably had some friends inside the military even for this event. >> i want to touch on the wall street journal reporting as well and the possibility they were aiming to capture these military leaders upon reaching them. before we do that, though, kelly i want you to weigh in on what's

happening inside ukraine. while all of this and all of these developments are coming out of moscow, they are still continuing to wage this war on ukraine, the most recent city hit killing ten people yesterday. give us an update on that. >> reporter: that's right. that was a missile strike about 18 miles from the front line in the east. it happened about 7:30 in the evening. this was at a pizza restaurant in the center of town, it's popular with soldiers, with journalist, but also with a lot of families. and among the dead were a 17-year-old girl and twin sisters just 14 years old. so just really a tragic event in that town. the search is still underway at this point, and by the way, ukrainians do not believe this was an errant missile. they say this was an is can der missile. it's highly accurate.

they've arrested a man who they say is a spy and spotter for russia, that he was taking video of that cafe before the missile strike. now, the kremlin spokesperson, dmitry peskov was asked about this on state tv. he said we don't target civilians. we only target the military, but president zelenskyy today saying this is a manifestation of terror on the russian side. >> seemed as if the kremlin wanting to show force amidst what's happening domestically in their country right now. ambassador, i want you to weigh in on this wall street journal reporting as well, right, this idea that prigozhin set out to capture shoigu and ga ros move, two big military leaders inside moscow. these are the two named in that initial video before his advance on moscow. what do you make of this? >> it seems plausible to me. i mean, mr. prigozhin, that's what he -- all of his ire, all of his criticism of the russian state was at them, never about

vladimir putin. i think he somehow believed that if he could threaten these guys, he could win over putin. because remember, prigozhin has been working with putin for decades. it's not like he was dissatisfied with putin. he was claiming that his generals and shoigu with lying to putin. so i think it's very plausible that he thought -- and remember, he's under a ton of stress, very animated, pretty crazy idea if you ask me. if your back is up against the wall, you think you're about to be destrodestroyed, this was a ditch effort to save them trying to focus on them and not putin. >> and from what we know at this point, shoigu and ga ros move still in their positions. kelly cobiella, thank you, ambassador michael mcfaul, thank you, sir, as well. coming up next, everybody, we are in london where oscar winning actor kevin spacey's sexual assault trial is just

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all right, welcome back, everybody. i want to turn now to a new and urgent health alert from the cdc. doctors warning to be on the lookout for malaria, after five cases of local transmission were

found over the last few months in florida and texas. they mark the first instances of people contracting it stateside from locally born cases in two decades. joining us now to talk more about this, msnbc medical contributor dr. natalie azar. it's always great to talk to you. remind us, if you will, first and foremost of what malaria is and how significant these local transmissions are. >> yeah, absolutely, yasmin, so malaria is a mosquito-borne illness that can cause -- we're going to talk about symptoms in a little while. they can cause an illness that can resemble flu, for example. i think this serves as a good reminder of just how connected we are as a world and that people who are traveling, the majority of cases, you know, in the u.s. are typically imported. but as we know, our borders are very porous, and they are not impervious to the transmission of these infectious little

agents. i think it serves as a good reminder for health care providers, yasmin, that if you're seeing someone who has unexplained fevers, aches, that kind of thing and they're testing negative for flu, you've got think about malaria, and it also serves as a good reminder to protect ourselves, using mosquito repellant, having screens, reaching out to providers if you're traveling to a malaria endemic area about medications. i don't think people need to be alarmed in any way, shape, or form but it's good to be aware of these things, yasmin. >> so what are the symptoms, and subsequently, what's the treatment if, in fact, you contract malaria? >> right. so the symptoms for better or for worse are indistinguishable from a ton of other, you know, bacterial infections and viral infections. so we're talking headache, muscle aches, fevers, you know night sweats. people can also experience nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, abdominal symptoms.

fortunately, the subtype of the mosquito that's transmitting right now is something that happens to cause a less severe illness, but there are antima -- malarials. this is also to serve as a reminder that hospitals should have on or available the top iv treatment for malaria in case we ever do see a bump in cases. it absolutely can be treated, and it needs to be treated. it can be a medical emergency if it is not diagnosed and treated appropriately. >> dr. natalie azar for us, as always, we are thankful to you. from the cinema to the courthouse, everybody, actor kevin spacey is in court in london for the start of his trial involving 12 sex offense charges. the charges are related to alleged assaults on four men between 2001 to 2013. the oscar-winning actor has

denied all of the charges. i want to bring in ali arouzi who is following this thing outside the courthouse for us in london. the trial expected to last more than four weeks. what are we learning? >> reporter: hi, yasmin, that's right. the trial is expected to last over four weeks. in fact, the judge selected two extra jurors because the trial was going to last so long and in case there was any conflict of interest, they could be replaced. and kevin spacey showed up here about two hours before the trial showed up in a london cab. he waved at the media that were standing outside, and he went into the courtroom. and in the courtroom he was placed in the dock, which is a glass box in the middle of the courtroom. much akin to the ones you see in those moscow courtrooms. he sat in there, he only gave his name, his full name, kevin spacey fowler, and then today was just jury selection. the two sides were there able to pick their jury. the crown didn't present its

case today. we're expecting the crown to either present its case on friday or on monday because it's such a big backlog of criminal cases in this country. and he's facing some pretty serious charges, yasmin, sexual assault, indecent assault causing somebody to engage in sexual activity without their consent. and the final one, the most serious one is causing somebody to engage in sexual penetration without their consent. now, these crimes vary from a hefty fine as a punishment to a 19-year prison sentence for the last offense that i read out. now, kevin spacey has been very adamant throughout this whole process that he's innocent. he even gave an interview to a german publication saying that he expects his career to relaunch once he's been found innocent. now, obviously those comments are very premature before a judge and a jury has made their decisions, but all eyes are on this case. it was a full pavement outside the courtroom, and it's expected to be like that until the case

wraps up. >> all right, ali arouzi for us, thank you. appreciate it. coming up next, everybody. the age old question. does it actually matter? how president biden is trying to take on that political albtross as he hits the road this morning. and new nbc reporting on how donald trump is looking to trip up his 2024 competition and on the stage where it could make the biggest difference. we'll be right back. we'll be right back.

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welcome back. right now the president is on his way to chicago for an event the white house is billing focused on bidenomics. it's an official campaign event, even if it sort of sounds like one, and it comes as we have new reporting about how biden is working to tackle one of the biggest concerns voters have about him, his age. more and more the president turning the issue into a punch line. listen to this. >> i know i don't look that old, i know. [ laughter ] i'm a little under 103. >> i know i look like i'm only still 29 but -- >> think about it. i know i'm 198 years old. [ laughter ] >> nbc news white house correspondent mike memoli joining us now in chicago ahead of the president's visitbidenom. it seems as if you're in a

sports bar, jonathan allen, what's on tap today? >> i am in a sports bar. it's usually a good place to find some quiet in the morning that we're going to have some events in new hampshire today including nikki haley talking about foreign policy. but actually, i'm getting out on a plane pretty quickly. >> yeah, memoli, let mert with you on this one before we start talking sports bars and beer. talk to me about how it seems as if the president is really kind of embracing this able question. you got this new poll out from nbc finding 86% of register voters having major or moderate concerns about biden have the necessary mental and physical health to be president. the president seemingly seeing that polling and it seems as if his team is and himself saying, okay, we're going to approach this in a different way. >> reporter: that's right, yasmin, the official response when you ask biden campaign

surrogates about voters' concerns about his age is to respond by saying with age comes wisdom and experience. because of that wisdom and experience that he's been able to enact major consequential pieces of economic legislation, navigated through a divided congress to deal with a foreign policy crisis on the scale of russia's invasion of ukraine, but we couldn't help but notice, especially in these last few weeks that the president himself seems to be trying to diffuse this issue by making light of it, and there's ample political precedent in doing so, yasmin. perhaps one of the great debate one liners in political history of this country is when ronald reagan running against walter make an issue of his opponent's youth and inexperience. we remember bob dole and john mccain running against decades younger candidates, trying to go on "snl," on late night talk shows to diffuse this. so the president is doing this as well, and it is really something that they have found as you heard in those clips, voters respond to in the room. >> yeah. jonathan allen, you mentioned you're in new hampshire.

that is where the former president and desantis were yesterday. i know you got some new reporting on the former president as well as we talk about the run-up to 2024 and how he is looking towards some counterprogramming for the first gop debate. what can you tell us? >> yeah, trump has not committed to that first debate. he's not committed to support the republican nominee if it is not him. people close to him say he's leaning heavily against participating in that first debate and starting to think about options for how he might counterprogram during it. what i mean by that is some sort of event he would hold, whether in person or, you know, televised that would try to compete with the attention on the first debate. but like most front-runners and he's got, you know, basically half the republican party behind him right now, he's got a lot more to lose from a debate, a lot of folks close to him think, than he does to gain. >> jonathan allen, enjoy that bar at 10:51 in the morning,

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welcome back. as the busy summer tourist season kicks off, one visitor's roman holiday is serving as an etiquette lesson on what not to do on vacation. nbc's maggie vespa has the details. >> reporter: hey there. the american tourist who shot that video says he was flabbergasted. he also says he has no idea who that guy is or where he's from. but his take, whether you're touring ancient relics in rome or iconic sports in new york, respect the space and respect the people. otherwise you could end up like the guy in the video potentially and unfortunately so many others whose in the moment stunts have long-term consequences. an apparent romantic gesture on an ancient roman canvas. this morning, a recipe for outrage, shot friday at italy's famed capital city, this video appears to show a man using keys to carve into an icon of world history, the coliseum. >> are you serious, man. >> reporter: the man silent, but smiling when confronted. this freeze frame shows etched

into that nearly 2,000-year-old wall ivan plus haley '23. behind the camera, 38-year-old california native ryan lutz who just toured the coliseum. you see this guy carving into the wall of the coliseum. what do you think? >> i used the term flabbergasted and i don't use that lightly. i'm upset, angry, yes. >> reporter: he says he told security, who said they contacted the police, but he says nothing happened. hours later, lutz posted the video online and the outrage was immediate, including from the italian government. on twitter, italy's minister of culture calling the carving a sign of great incivility. past incidents of similar vandalism produced fines and prison time, proof bad tourist behavior is nothing new. earlier this year, guides in nepal pleaded with hikers to stop leaving tons of garbage on mount everest's campsites. >> if you don't want to pick up your trash, don't come to the mountain. >> reporter: in hawaii, officials recently launched investigations into swimmers caught on camera harassing

dolphins. bad behavior in nature can also prove dangerous. just like this past incident at yellowstone national park where a group got too close to a bison who charged at them. and launched this girl into the air. and in venice, authorities fined two tourists for water skiing on the city's grand canal, the city's mayor calling them imbeciles. and who could forget this 2013 utah incident when boy scout leaders toppled an ancient boulder thought to be 170 million years old. the pair told nbc news they were preventing the rock from hurting someone and were later sentenced to fines and probation. >> are you serious, man? >> reporter: this latest case has lutz hoping this kind of behavior becomes ancient history. >> i would settle for this guy just kind of learning a lesson, like, don't disrespect host countries. despite the video evidence, they have yet to i.d. the man involved and there are no specifics on what kind of penalty he might face.

in 2014, a russian man who carved his initial into the coliseum was given a four-month suspended prison sentence and fined roughly 20,000 euros or the equivalent of 22,000 american dollars. back to you. >> a lot to take in there, maggie vespa, thank you. that does it for us today, everybody. ana cabrera is back tomorrow, 10:00 a.m. eastern. you can catch me on the weekends at 2:00 p.m. eastern here on msnbc. jose diaz-balart reports with lindsey reiser is up next. good morning. it is 11:00 a.m. eastern, 8:00 a.m. pacific. i'm lindsey reiser in for jose diaz-balart. right now, scorching heat is impacting millions across the south. we're talking triple digit temperatures. the weather partly to blame for the chaos at some of the nation's airports with more than 2,000 delays and cancellations. overseas, new reporting about treachery behind that russian revolt. how the leader of the mercenary group march