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coliseum was given a four-month suspended prison sentence and fined roughly 20,000 euros or the equivalent of 22,000 american dollars. back to you. >> a lot to take in there, maggie vespa, thank you. that does it for us today, everybody. ana cabrera is back tomorrow, 10:00 a.m. eastern. you can catch me on the weekends at 2:00 p.m. eastern here on msnbc. jose diaz-balart reports with lindsey reiser is up next. good morning. it is 11:00 a.m. eastern, 8:00 a.m. pacific. i'm lindsey reiser in for jose diaz-balart. right now, scorching heat is impacting millions across the south. we're talking triple digit temperatures. the weather partly to blame for the chaos at some of the nation's airports with more than 2,000 delays and cancellations. overseas, new reporting about treachery behind that russian revolt. how the leader of the mercenary group marching on moscow
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reportedly planned to capture top russian military leaders. back at home, developments in the special counsel probe into former president trump's effort to overturn his 2020 loss. a star witness in georgia's investigation is due to meet with federal prosecutors today. in new york city, the former marine accused in the chokehold death of a homeless subway rider faces a judge today. and are president biden's economic policies working? he's set to deliver what is being called a major speech to try to convince voters of just that. this morning, potentially deadly, catastrophic heat across the country, threatening some 69 million people who are having to deal with those conditions. they're under heat alerts. the national weather service says temperatures today are expected to reach up to 110 degrees in texas.
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over 112 in louisiana. and a reminder about how dangerous heat like this is. and a medical examiner in webb county, texas, reported nine heat-related deaths in just eight days. meanwhile, smoke for those canadian wildfires again causing unhealthy air quality in 15 states. today, detroit, chicago and minneapolis are in the top five for worst air quality in the world. these conditions along with storms have wreaked travel havoc. more than a thousand flights have been delayed, more than 700 canceled. nbc's antonia hylton joins us from boston logan international airport where a ground stop was issued earlier today, but has since been lifted and nbc's meteorologist bill karins is with us. tell us what to expect. so, we'll get some lights on him too. there we go. antonia, what are you seeing there in boston? what are the conditions like at the airport? >> reporter: hey, lindsey. well, there are some tired and frustrated folks here who have found that their flights have been delayed or in some cases
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canceled. there have been dozens of cancellations already here at logan. more than 700 cancellations across the country today. and so there are a lot of travelers as we get ready to go into this massive fourth of july week who are having trouble getting where they need to go. according to hopper, their estimate now is that from tomorrow through july 5th, the day after the holiday, they're expecting about 24 million americans to depart from airports across the country. and so if you are one of the folks planning to head out, you have a celebration to get to, a wedding, something important to you, the advice we're hearing from experts now is you need to build in extra time, possibly even an extra travel day because our team has talked to people who have found themselves without a ticket sometimes for days. they're sleeping here in the airport, they're going back to their friends or families and staying for a couple more days here in boston before they can get home. and so you do not want to be one of those people who misses out on your fourth of july and so the advice right now is to be
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prepared. there are storms here still throughout the day. potentially later into this week and so, you know, if you're in the northeast, that's what you have to keep an eye on. there are these impacts of weather across the country. and in some areas shortages of air traffic controllers. so, try to get ahead as much as you can if you're holiday planning right now. it is going to be challenging, lindsey. >> what a headache for those people. bill, let's talk about the heat and what people can expect. >> the heat is moving. we have been talking the last two weeks in a row, central texas, south texas, but now it is starting to spread east. and the heat warnings have expanded at little rock to memphis, just about the nashville, birmingham, new orleans area. let's see who the hottest is already. not eating lunch outdoors today in new orleans. it feels like 104 degrees. these temperatures are in the shade, this is how you add the humidity and the temperature together for the heat index. 104. pensacola to orlando and miami feeling like 100. we're starting to soar in areas like mississippi, shreveport,
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98. a lot of areas will top out 110ish to 115 later on today. we have heat index zones. we can use caution and extreme caution and danger zones. when you get into, like, the orange, that's when, you know, that's typical middle of the summer. when we start to get 103 plus, that's when we worry about with kids being outside too long without water, anyone working outside, that sort of thing. that spreads from kansas city to florida during the day today. so, will it stay hot for the holidays? it looks to stay very warm heading into it. we cool it back to normal. st. louis, 100 on friday. saturday, low 90s. memphis, you don't get your relief until we get to sunday. new orleans, you're not going to get relief this time of year. you have to wait until october. we had storms in boston earlier. right now we're in a little bit of a lull. we have some showers and storms heading for st. louis. but a lot of the airports are doing better today than yesterday. the air quality, still a problem. it is improving, but still not
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great. chicago, milwaukee, better during the day today. your air quality from st. louis to indianapolis all through the ohio valley, less than ideal. and we'll continue to watch those air quality monitors and the smoke forecast does take you to the mid-atlantic. it is not the thick stuff we showed pictures of what it looked like in chicago, milwaukee yesterday, some of the worst air quality they ever reported in those cities. it is dispersing, spreading out, so we won't have those issues as intense today. >> okay, antonia hylton, bill karins, thank you for those updates. this morning, there are multiple new reports giving us a look at what happened behind the scenes during last weekend's armed rebellion in russia. this morning, "the wall street journal" is out with a major report that yevgeny prigozhin, the head of the wagner group, planned to capture russia's military leadership during a trip near ukraine's border. but russia security services discovered the plot two days before the plan was to be carried out, according to western officials. and overnight, "the new york times" published a report suggesting a top russian general
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had prior knowledge of prigozhin's plan, citing us officials briefed on american intelligence. this morning, the kremlin said the story was speculation. here's what secretary of state antony blinken said earlier on "morning joe." >> there is no doubt that what we have seen in the last 48 hours are profound questions that putin is going to have to answer. >> joining us now live from kyiv is nbc's kelly cobiella. what is the reaction in kyiv to the latest developments out of russia? >> reporter: well, lindsey, president zelenskyy said these events in russia have shown that russia is weak, that it is in chaos, his spokesperson today said that the countdown has begun to the end of putin. >> it looks like we lost kelly's shot. we're going to go ahead and see in the next couple of seconds if we can bring her back. i think we'll bring in our next guest and see if kelly is able to come back and join us at the
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end. the former spokesperson for the u.s. mission to the u.n. under the obama administration. hagar, thank you for being with us, a little early. we have these multiple stories of putin's inner circle. what does this is a about his position right now or grip on power this morning? >> well, putin's weaknesses have never been more exposed and his vulnerabilities more exposed and that's why he agreed to a deal so quickly. and so, that said, he also hasn't shown his cards. this is somebody we all have been wondering when or how or what would have to happen to make him negotiate. and so to see this happen, that, a, he can negotiate, and, b, that what makes him negotiate is the threat of violence inside his country. so that's very telling when you're -- when you're thinking about washington and our partners and how we support ukraine, for us to see that this is a possibility, that he can negotiate and that those are the
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circumstances, and it might incentivize partners to further ramp up their support to ukraine to get to those negotiations faster. >> we have kelly cobiella back now live in kyiv. kelly, i want to give you a chance to finish up your reporting on the ground. >> reporter: sure, yeah, sorry about that. we just lost power for a moment. as i was saying, the officials here haven't commented directly on those reports. but they have talked about the chaos and weaknesses they see in russia and hoping to take advantage of that on the battlefield. that's where they're focus is now on that offensive and to that end, the defense minister here spoke to the financial times, and said, what we're seeing right now, these smaller gains are not what he called the main event. and secretary of state antony blinken actually was asked about that and here's what he had to say. >> counteroffensive is in its early days. you heard the ukrainian secretary defense say just i think yesterday that they have yet to commit the bulk of their forces to this effort.
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and there is no doubt it is tough going because the russians had months and months and months. >> reporter: secretary of defense also saying that when you see it, you'll know, talking about that main offensive. >> okay. well, kelly cobiella, thank you to you and your crew for getting back to us after that momentary lapse in power. i appreciate it. i want to bring back hagar. you were talking about the idea that putin is showing will willingness to negotiate on one front and what that could mean for ukraine. lukashenko said putin raised the possibility of killing prigozhin but lukashenko was against it. why do you think he's saying this publicly now? >> it is face nature it is fasc lukashenko has been the follower of putin. now he's having his 15 minutes of fame and he's gloating in it, he feels like he's the peacemaker, the kingmaker, the one who saved his brother putin and saved russia from violence.
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i think he's trying to take advantage both not just for the global audience, but his domestic audience, which he is very well aware that he does not have the majority support in belarus. in fact, he's the illegitimate president of belarus. i think that is his focus. i absolutely believe that putin will exact his revenge on prigozhin in belarus and for many people think about he should stay away from windows and i believe that because belarus is only a satellite state of russia at this point. >> so, when we're talking about ukraine's counteroffensive and what kelly was saying, characterizing blinken's comments as you ain't seen nothing yet, they have yet to deploy the bulk of its forces in the ongoing counteroffensive. we know ukrainian troops have been up against real serious challenges. and that there hasn't been a ton of momentum yet. do you think it is too early to count out the success of the counteroffensive? >> oh, no, i think the ukrainian military has done a remarkable
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job and their efforts so far and the counteroffensive so far and, again, as secretary blinken said, you know, we may not have seen the whole thing yet, they will let us know or we'll know when we really have seen it. and it is their counteroffensive and efforts so far. not only have they resulted in actual territorial gains against land that russia had seized last year, but they have shown how dysfunctional, how weak the russian military is and that's not something that putin is going to be able to fix overnight. one of the things that i try to caution here is that any comment about putin that, you know, the end of -- the beginning of the end, he's about to fall, i have a lot of experience in my government days of handling countries with dictatorships and i would not -- i would caution against believing that putin is about to fall. but that said, the cracks and fissures have really surfaced and the military and the way it has been weakened on one hand all that has been exposed, but a lot of that is obviously in part
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♪ tourists tourists that turn into scientists. tourists taking photos that are analyzed by ai. so researchers can help life underwater flourish. ♪ 13 past the hour. new developments today about a central figure in trump's election efforts. a political adviser to rudy giuliani confirms to nbc news that giuliani and his attorney, robert carselo, will meet with prosecutors -- met with prosecutors in a special counsel's office in recent weeks. and georgia secretary of state brad raffensperger is set to meet today with investigators from that office, part of the investigation into efforts to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election. when it comes to the classified
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documents case, former president trump's making new claims regarding that audio recording which he appears to discuss holding on to highly confidential and secret information that he could no longer declassify. he said during an interview on his plane, i would say it was bravado. he went on to claim, quote, i was talking, and just holding up papers and talking about them, but i had no documents. joining us now to talk more about this, nbc news correspondent vaughn hillyard and michael moore, former u.s. attorney in georgia and partner at the firm moore, hall in atlanta. what do we know about rudy giuliani's conversations with the special counsel's office and why giuliani is crucial in this investigation? >> i've been told by an aide to rudy giuliani it was voluntary and conducted in a professional manner. it is notable because how many legs extend from rudy giuliani in the time period around january 6th. you'll recall not only down in georgia, when he went before a
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state legislative body and made claims of fraudulent votes, he also did that in arizona, and in michigan. he is also potentially a key figure in the plot to build fake electors in several of these key battleground states that would have been presented to congress alternative to biden's. >> do you have any reporting on whether he knew that those claims on fraudulent votes were false? >> that is the issue here at hand. because sidney powell, john eastman, rudy giuliani, they were the add on lawyers to donald trump there in november, december, january of 2020. and the white house counsel was telling donald trump and pushing back against the allegations that rudy giuliani and these other lawmakers were making. they were in the white house on december 18th, cassidy hutchinson, the aide to mark meadows, sent a text message saying the oval office is unhinged and even took a picture of mark meadows escorting
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rudion giuliani out because there was talk about seizing election machines. rudy giuliani was that central figure and he was the personal lawyer to donald trump at that time. he knows an awful lot. he's been defiant they were in the right, but that's why jack smith is likely going back to him a second time. >> is rudy a target or a witness? >> that's a good question. i'm not aware whether he's a target in this investigation or not. we know he also went before the fulton county district attorney and is potentially a target down there as well. >> okay, and fani willis' investigation. michael, what do you expect the special counsel's office will ask brad raffensperger? >> well, i'm glad to be with you today. i think this is just sort of belt and suspenders for the special counsel. there is no shortage of public statements made by the former secretary of state or the secretary of state here about former president's efforts to call him, what the tape meant, how he felt about it. i think that's what he's going to try to get to the bottom of. were you intimidated. he wants to know if he puts him
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up as a witness that he's going to say, yes, i felt like i was being pressured by the president at the time to do something that was unlawful. so he's going to ask about that. i'm sure he's going to ask about the logistics of the taping, what he knew, did he know he was being recorded at the time, and did anybody say that, when did he learn it, that may be one issue because we are a one party state here and one party to a recording know that the recording is being made and the secretary has said he did not know at the time. he may be trying to clean some of that up. i think it is going to be a lot of questions about his state of mind, what he told the former president, and how he felt about the conversations, whether he felt like it was an exertion of pressure from the highest office in the land. >> okay. vaughn, let's turn to the classified documents investigation. and the most recent claim of that was bravado. you covered trump a long time, continuing to cover him during his campaign. is this another page out of his playbook? how would you characterize his strategy here, his most recent
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comments? >> the issue for donald trump is he has one playbook to play offense, to spin, but when you're playing legal defense, that's where it makes it hard. because his legal counsel right now is actively trying to build a defense case for him, but over the course of just the last week, how many explanations has he given around just that one incident of the bedminster recording in 2021 where he was talking about a classified document he had in his possession. that is where if you look at donald trump's words, last night on the plane, as he went from new hampshire back to new jersey, he went on and was asked about the plans that he referenced in that recording and he said, what plans. and then in real time he actively suggested that the plans he was referencing were building plans. and plans around golf course plans. it is wild explanation, it is a new one, it is the latest in an ever winding journey of donald trump's explanations of why he held on to those documents,
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despite archives coming to him back in may of 2021 seeking them. >> do you get a sense his lawyers want him to stop talking about this? >> donald trump is going to continue to go out on the campaign trail, is going to continue to go and be his own legal defense. of course, what exactly are his actual counsel working up? that's a different story and that's why donald trump has had such a hard time keeping on to lawyers over the course of these last couple of years. >> michael, we have seen the transcript. we have heard the audio. what donald trump is saying doesn't align with what we're hearing. how do you square all of this and if it wasn't just bravado, isn't that something provable with witness testimony from someone who was in that room? >> well, and i think that's going to be the trick. if you watch trump, he does tend to speak in hyperbole and pound his chest a little bit and talk about how great he is, has the biggest crowds, he did this and he has secrets nobody else does and he can do this and not that. i'm not at all surprised to hear him say it was bravado.
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but the trick here will come and what evidence will the government have to prove what was in that stack of documents. and so he can say it was bravado and they can say, we think it was classified because he said these are secret documents. if i were representing trump, the first question i would have would be what classified document was in the stack of papers? and i don't know they can prove that. but we don't know yet. we don't know what witness may be there. again, i mean, trump's mouth is usually his worst asset. and, you know, you're not going to get him to change if you're his lawyer. you got about as much luck of going to a rock and asking it to talk as you do of asking donald trump to not speak. and so, they have to deal with that going forward. so, yes, i think it hurts his case for him to continue to run his mouth. at the same time, he's giving a pretty good preview of things that the lawyer for the government may want to be thinking about, thinking about how they carry the burden of proof going forward as they're seeking a conviction. ultimately, and you remember
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this, the burden of proof rests on the government. they got to prove he did these things beyond a reasonable doubt so that the question of what's in that stack of papers, they have to answer. trump doesn't have to say a thing. they have to talk about what's in the stack of papers. >> before we let both of you go, former president trump filed a lout against e. jean carroll accusing her of acting with malice when she said on tv he raped her. this is after the jury found him not liable for that claim. what is the chances it goes anywhere? >> it doesn't go anywhere at all and he has no shame. i will say that if you're representing somebody and it doesn't always hurt to take an offensive move like that as you're dealing with a case. so, while i think this case is despicable when what he said, i'm not surprised and i don't think it is a bad tactical move to file a counterclaim here. i don't think it goes anywhere. it is just something to drag things out, something to try to beat her down, but i don't see
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anything happening. >> okay. vaughn hillyard, thank you. michael moore, appreciate all the analogies today. thank you, both. up next, the suspect in the death of a homeless subway rider went before a judge last hour. what his lawyer said next. plus, the warning from the cdc about cases of mosquito-born malaria here in the u.s. you're watching "jose diaz-balart reports." you're watching "jose diaz-balart reports. my skin was no longer mine. my active psoriatic arthritis joint symptoms held me back. don't let symptoms define you. emerge as you. with tremfya®, most people saw 90% clearer skin at 4 months... ...and the majority stayed clearer, at 5 years. tremfya® is proven to significantly reduce joint pain, stiffness and swelling it's just 6 doses a year, after 2 starter doses. serious allergic reactions may occur. tremfya® may increase your risk of infections and lower your ability to fight them. tell your doctor if you have an infection or symptoms or if you had a vaccine or plan to. emerge as you. emerge tremfyant®.
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last hour former u.s. marine daniel penny pleaded not guilty to charges related to the subway chokehold death of a homeless street performer jordan neely. he's charged with second degree manslaughter and criminal negligent homicide. he's argued he was acting in self-dense saying neely was making threats to him and other passengers. joining us now is nbc's emilie ikeda. how did today go and what is next for the case? >> reporter: well, lindsey, we heard from the lawyers, they took to a throng of reporters and the microphone shortly after the arraignment, the arraignment lasting a matter of minutes, four minutes or so. daniel penny, the marine veteran, walked into the courtroom looking straight ahead, according to the producer in the room. he firmly said the words not guilty. he faces as you mentioned the two charges, one of criminally negligent homicide and second degree manslaughter, which if convicted in the trial as this case moves forward, he could face up to 19 years in prison.
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this comes nearly two months after we saw that altercation play out on the new york city subway. caught on camera. you can see penny holding jordan neely in a chokehold that officials later ruled was deadly after witnesses say neely had been making threats to other passengers aboard the subway train. the marine veteran's lawyer say he was acting in self-defense and interestingly say that the case playing out in manhattan is actually advantageous because the jurors presumably have ridden the subway before. on the other side, neely's lawyers say they are also confident in the outcome of the trial to rule in their favor, saying justice will prevail. here's more from both sides. >> daniel penny killed a man. he took a life. and for everyone who thought donating $3 million would somehow make this go away, or
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buy his past, it is not going to happen. >> danny won't be the only one on trial. the right and duty to defend one another will be on trial too. so our legal team is ready to fight for danny and every new yorker's right and duty to defend each other when faced with grave harm. >> reporter: and both legal teams agreed to keep the identity of the witnesses secret. it is not clear if they will be putting daniel penny on the stand. the next hearing, the next court appearance is in october. >> okay, emilie ikeda, thank you for that reporting. the cdc issued a health advisory for malaria after four people in florida and one person in texas contracted the disease over the last two months. it is the first time in 20 years that malaria has spread locally within the u.s. the cases in florida and texas do not seem to be connected. malaria causes flu-like symptoms and can be treated with prescription drugs if diagnosed
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early. overnight, protests erupted in france after a police officer shot and killed a 17-year-old in a paris suburb during a traffic stop yesterday. this is an image of a video circulating online, showing a police officer pointing a gun to the driver of a car before a gunshot is heard and the car pulls away and crashes. the victim died at the scene and the officer suspected of the shooting -- shooting the teen faces a potential manslaughter charge according to the local prosecutors office. tensions quickly boiled over, spreading to neighboring communities. dozens of cars were burned. 25 police officers were injured. about 31 people were arrested. up next, new reporting on the republican race for 2024. how former president trump is thinking about skipping the first debate, nabbing the spotlight on his own stage. and in just an hour, just over an hour from now, president biden is set to sell his economic plan. but are americans buying it? you're watching "jose diaz-balart reports." it? you're watching "jose diaz-balart reports.
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almost 36 past the hour. homes ago, president biden landed in chicago. here is a look at air force one right now. he's about to disembark there, climb down the steps and tout his economic agenda. in his latest push comes as polling indicates just one in three adults approve of his handling of the economy. joining us now for more is cnbc's kristina partsinevelos. what are investors going to be
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listening to today? >> we have been talking about this recession for the better half of a year. we have seen retailers warning of a cautious consumer right now. the takeaway is the job market is resilient. new home sales surged in may and inflation is slowly coming down. and consumers are still spending which means that they're signaling confidence in their financial standing. like you pointed out with the survey, americans may not necessarily buy the biden economic stent. there is another poll i was looking at that said two-thirds of the adults rated the economy as fairly bad. so today biden is expected to tout the strength in the economy, saying unemployment is under 4%, his trillion dollar infrastructure law was put in place and that he doesn't believe a recession is actually going to occur. but from the investor side, which we focus on cnbc, unless he comes out with any major new
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spending package or makes new promises to the chips act, for example, or the inflation reduction act, won't really see that much of a reaction in markets today when he speaks around 1:00 p.m. eastern. >> okay. kristina partsinevelos, thank you so much, as we watch the president appearing to hop aboard marine one. when the invitations go out for the first republican debate, one key player may be rsvp'ing no. there are reports those close to former president trump, he's not only leaning heavily to skipping the first debate, he's exploring the possibility of holding a competing event at the same time. joining us right now, geoff bennett, co-anchor of pbs "news hour" and michael steele, former rnc chairman and msnbc political analyst. good to see both of you. help me understand the strategy here behind skipping the debate. >> well, president trump, former president trump has said that in his mind he doesn't understand why he should be sharing the stage with people who are polling in the single digits,
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that, to him, it serves no purpose. and it really highlights the tension potentially between the rnc, which is trying to have an open competitive primary as the campaign arm of the republican party, and former president donald trump who has cast himself as the undisputed leader of the gop, who has no use for traditions such as debates. as you know, there is a precedent for this. the former president pulled out of a gop debate in 2016 and did the same thing in the second general election debate back in 2020. and the reporting from john allen and others is that he is considering some counterprogramming of his own. >> michael, does this give an opening for other candidates. tim scott has seen some popularity as a second choice. if trump sits this out, does it give room for someone else? >> no.
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no, it doesn't. because at the end of the day, geoff is right. trump holds the cards here. he's the draw. he is the draw inside the party. and if trump holds counterprogramming that evening, it hurts those folks on that stage. why? because now you got a bifurcated screen. you got, you know, folks who are switching back and forth, those who are excluseively, a large portion of his base and without trump on the stage, going up against those who are challenging him, who, by the way, aren't really challenging him, that's what trump is sitting there going why should i subject myself to lightweights, what is in it for me, that's how he's looking at this. that's how he's always looked at it. all these pledges and things that trump is not going to sign a pledge. the rnc is requiring everybody else to, but i don't see them
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putting pressure on trump to. because they want him on that stage. and he's not going to be there. the fact that he's floated this already is the tell. trump will not be there in august. there was never a plan for him to be there in august and he will hold a rally somewhere else that is going to draw equal or greater attention away from that event. >> geoff, on the democratic side, recent polling shows more than two in three voters are concerned about biden's physical and mental health. and nbc news has new reporting the president is starting to poke fun at his age publicly. but just this morning, he mixed up ukraine and iraq when discussing vladimir putin. let's listen. >> hard to tell, but clearly knew of the war in iraq and including the war at home, and -- >> everyone has slip ups, but do these moments give people pause? >> they might. and as you point out, president biden is the first to make light of the fact that he knows he's
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old. the white house, the campaign, what they have been trying to do is turn that into an advantage, making the point that he knows nearly every world leader personally, he's been on the public stage, been in public service for nearly half a century. and that, yes, he's older, yes, he might be slower, he might have a harder time hearing, he might mix up words every now and then, but in the moments that matter, he delivers. he rises to the occasion. that's the case that they're making, that he was able to hammer out that debt ceiling deal with republicans and preserve his signature agenda items. he's been able to marshall an alliance of the west to counter russian aggression. he was able to sign a historic climate infrastructure legislation. and so what the campaign is doing this week is they're going all in on his commission vision. the biden campaign also makes the case that joe biden is typically underestimated and that they also say that elections are about choices.
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so, even though voters are saying they might have some concerns about his age as is understandable, he's 80 years old, if he wins a second term, he would be 86 at the end of the term, that when it comes to making a decision between joe biden and potentially donald trump again, that voters will choose joe biden and that has been borne out in recent history. in the 2018 midterms, 2020 election, 2022 midterms, where voters, the general electorate voted against donald trump and trumpism and trump interests. >> michael, i want to talk to you before we let you both go of the fallout of speaker mccarthy telling cnbc he's not sure trump is the strongest candidate in next year's election. he's walking it back and saying trump is stronger today than he was in 2016. does it show more republicans feeling nervous about trump's viability? >> no. just shows how weak they are when it comes to donald trump. i mean, dude, i mean, he's right. his first comments were right. donald trump is not the
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strongest candidate we could put up against joe biden. he just isn't. he hasn't won an election since he won his own in 2016. and so the reality of it is everybody inside the party knows the dirty little secret, but nobody wants to talk about how dirty the laundry is when it comes to trump. and so, you know, kevin goes out, speaks truth, has a washington gaffe, because that's all a gaffe is in washington is when someone says something that everyone knows is true but you shouldn't say it out loud, right, and then he walks it back within an hour or so of having said it because the maga world lost their cereal on it, and trump got all upset, probably called him and cussed him out, and then he's going to back track. what does that tell you? it goes back to what we were just talking about, where there is a debate stage with 15 other republicans on that stage, or kevin mccarthy back tracking from comments he knew were true, donald trump controls what
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happens in the republican party, he still controls the players in that party, and it is his to win or lose. and it is mostly losing. >> geoff bennett, thank you, michael steele, we'll have more time for some cereal references in a little bit. you're sticking with us. a quick programming note, tonight my colleague stephanie ruhle sits down with treasury secretary janet yellen in an exclusive interview to discuss president biden's economic agenda. don't miss that tonight at 11:00 p.m. eastern here on msnbc. still to come here, the warning from google's former ceo about how ai could impact the elections in 2024. why he predicts it will be a mess. you're watching "jose diaz-balart reports." mess you're watching "jose diaz-balart reports.
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information that anyone can generate. >> we have seen some examples of political ads with ai generated content. we will show you portions of two with fake images. this ad put out by ron desantis shows fake images of donald trump hugging and kissing dr. fauci. there's an ad created with ai-generated imagery. this ad has a very small on-screen disclosure that it was made with ai imagery. with us now to talk more about this, jacob ward, and still with us michael steele. jake, you are the one to talk to about this. is the underlying intent nefarious to use this in our politics? when you were writing your book, did you foresee this would play out this soon in our elections? >> i mean, i certainly foresaw this was a possibility. i did not foresee how quick it was going to happen. it's the rise of ai and it's at
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the fingertips of people who don't need any technical skills to make a life-like image. that part i didn't see. we know that not only can our own eyes tell the difference, but in very many cases, even the software being designed to make that distinction can't tell the difference. the effect is very, very powerful on the human senses and really we do not have the technology or the instincts as humans to tell the difference. >> in your story, which i just watched, i think everybody will be struck by how former google ceo eric schmidt says it shouldn't be regulated by people who don't understand it. does this create more need for regulation? >> what's so interesting about what he said to me a few months ago is that he said that he did
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not see the dangers of social media coming. back in the day he was bullish on the rise of social media and didn't see the potential for misinformation or election harm. he is now trying to get out in front of what he thinks will be difficulty here. it's important to know he is an investor across ai. has one company that makes what is called constitutional ai. he is not exactly an impartial voice. certainly, what he is describing is very, very clear. everybody has said that this has to be dealt with in some way. it's clear that the companies that make these technologies are just focused on experimenting on all of us. the little cases they would describe as being things like the use of misinformation in politics, that's not the core of their business, it's not the core of their concern. as a result, experts keep saying, they should not be the ones to regulate themselves. >> michael, people have
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tiktok-size attention spans. will the average person ask, is this real? do you worry about the size of the group who won't ask themselves that? >> they won't. the size of the group is way large. virtually, i would say, probably nine out of ten people. >> wow. looking at a political ad will take it at face value. it will get an instant like, a retweet. it will get promoted. it will get pushed out. no one will take the time to go, wait, that picture of fauci hugging donald trump, i don't recall that really happening. where did that happen? no one will do that. >> what keeps you up at night about this? >> all of it. all of it. everything that was just said about it. the fact that congress -- congress can't even figure out how to do facebook. now we're asking them to do ai? they can't even figure out how to regulate facebook and google. >> aren't you proving his point?
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>> yes. that's the point. we are a day late and ten yards short of where we need to be on this stuff. we're not proactive in this. we are reactive in this. it won't be until after the bottom falls out in the 2024 election cycle that members of congress or legislative bodies go, my, we need to do something about this, despite the fact that we have got incredible reporters reporting the story now saying, hello, there's a problem. you need to look at this. no one is taking it seriously, because everyone is pointing fingers at some other group thinking they're the ones who will handle it or manage it. no one has a clue exactly how much of a time bomb this really is. >> jake, final thoughts? >> my final thought is that i think michael is right that congress is moving slowly. it can catch up. there are some efforts that seem pretty impressive. i will also say, it is also the
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