twitter. i'm deleting fake ruth ben-ghiat profiles every day, i'm sure we are all, because he took away the blue check, so now you don't know who the fake is and who the real is. that's a huge problem that's part of this. >> yeah, you know, i hate to bring so many different lyrics into this. >> that's what we do, ari. it's all good. >> there was an old classic, i got that blue check because i'm verified, and i feel like that was the pre-elon musk era when it meant something. that song was of a certain moment. now, for the reasons ruth said and other deeper ones, it is fugazi, as you said. i love the combo. thanks to both of you. >> thank you for having me, ari. >> thanks, ari. >> appreciate both of you. >> want to wish everyone. i have to hand it off to joy reid, but have a great holiday, and "the reidout" with joy reid starts now.

come on. hypocrisy is stunning. you can't help a family making $75,000 a year, but you can help a millionaire and you have your debt forgiven? i believe the court's decision to strike down my student debt relief program was a mistake, was wrong. >> one of the most regressing supreme court terms in history comes to an ignominious end with blows to president biden's student debt plan, lgbtq protections, and affirmative action. also tonight, moms for liberty was designated an extremist group by the southern poverty law center. so it's no surprise that republican presidential candidates including ron desantis are right at home at their convention. we begin tonight with the supreme court on the final day of their term, delivering a devastating one-two punch to the american people.

today, the six conservative justices ruled in favor of an evangelical christian web designer who refused to make websites for same-sex weddings. a major setback to lgbtq rights and protections. they also struck down president biden's plan to forgive $10 to $20,000 in student loan debt for more than 40 million americans. now, not only do these decisions along with yesterday's decision ending affirmative action insure direct harm to the most vulnerable communities in our country, it also further proves what we already know to be true about this supreme court. that the sibs conservative justices have an idealogical aversion to everyone except for right-wing christians and the super rich. those two groups need only show up at the court, and they will get whatever they want. i mean, who else is going to take the justices on fancy yachts and private jets and vote republican so they can get even more goodies. everyone else on the other hand gets nothing, nada. and the uber rich and

conservative christians known this, which is why all these billionaire dollar funded right wing groups are hunting for cases that fit their agenda and rushing them before the court. because they know that they will win, even if those cases don't directly involve them at all. both of the affirmative action cases were brought by a group called students for fair admissions founded by edward bluhm who is, surprise surprise, not a student. he's a 71-year-old conservative activist who has made it his life's mission to put an end to race conscious admissions policies. in the case of the wedding website, the plaintiff, lorie smith, never even had a gay couple ask for service. the whole case was based off a hypothetical. she was simply a website designer who wanted to make wedding websites some day but didn't want to have to do it for gay couples if they asked, which apparently they did not. in the case of student loan forgiveness, the court ruled in favor of six red states, yes, states, gnaw actual students, who said the president has

overstepped his authority to forgive some of the loans for those making less than $125,000 a year. funny how you didn't hear these complaints when the airlines and banks got a big old government bailout or when tons of big businesses including some owned by members of congress, had their ppp loans, in some cases mels of dollars of them, forgiven in the pandemic. oh, right, they helped out the rich and super rich so they're fine. what these justices are saying is basically, you don't need to suffer any harm in whatever case you bring. you just have to be the right kind of person with the right religious and political beliefs and we'll find a way to make it happen. if we can't find a way in the constitution, we'll make it up. by doing so, they're literally stripping away the rights and opportunities of generations of americans, as justice sonia sotomayor wrote in her dissent, this court stands in the way and rolls back decades of precedent and momentum progress which has been the republican party's goal

all along. ever since barack obama became president, the has been the right's mission to undo all of the progress we have made as a country. that is what they're talking about when they say, make america great again. what they really mean is make america 1910 again. and the only way to do that is by stuffing the supreme court with enough uber conservatives who will blindly hand down rulings that propel the country backwards to the early 20th century, taking away women's rights over their own bodies and the rights of lgbtq people and people of color to just live equally. that's what they have done with a bang of a gavel. those six unelected justices have wiped out decades and decades of progress, just because they can. and don't think for a second they're going to stop there. joining me now is christina greer, associate professor of political science and political analyst for the grillo. and elie mystal, justice correspondent for the nation. his newest piece about today's decision is aptly titled, the supreme court just told student

debtors to just go to hell. thank you both for being here. and elie, i begged you to come back. i know you worked yesterday, but i wanted to hear more from you. so thank you for coming back for a second round of this. you know, my unified theory of the court is that essentially, they only believe two classes of people deserve the protections of the constitution. white conservative christians and billionaires. >> i would add, like, bigots, they think those people should have rights too. but other than those three categories, that's pretty much it. you see it in today's entirely politicized decisions. i think you have done a good job of explaining kind of the 30,000 foot level hypocrisy of these levels. but when you get into the weeds, they just get worse. this is a court that claims to be originalist, that claims to be texturalests, and the heroes act, the act that biden used to

have the student debt relief program, the heroes act says exclusively that the secretary of education can waive or modify student debt, which is what biden did. but roberts basically says, no, not that way. and completely overturns the biden policy. the other hypocrisy you really see is if you look at roberts' other huge national emergency executive power decision, that's the muslim ban, folks. that's trump v. hawaii. what did roberts say there? if the president wants to ban people based on their religion, that's okay. but if the president wants to help people and give them $10,000, that's not okay. so that really, i think, highlights what you're talking about, joy. that their decisions are not motivated by law or facts or logic orresisen. they're motivated based on who wins. as long as the rich people and bigots are winning, that's the way the court is going to go. >> and just to stay with you for a moment.

again, i read through, it's very lengthy, they read a lot of words to say not a lot of legal theory, to say we want this result. here's the way we're going to get there. in clarence thomas' concurrence in the affirmative action sdigz, first, he cites plessy a lot. i thought nobody wants to talk about plessy v. ferguson. he sure does. at one point, make this make sense for me. you're a lawyer. in his concurrence, he claims the friedman's bureau act, you know, that was supposed to rematriculate former enslaved people back into society, he said oh, that was a color blind statute. how could the friedman's bureau, elie mystal, be a color blind statute? make that make sense. >> it's color blind if you're like clarence thomas and your whole idealogical perspective involves gouging out your own eyes. like, that's what thomas is. he's such a mutilated version of

a black justice that he is able to make these proclamations that this fly in the face of law and facts. one of the other things you really realize when you read through his concurrence is just how angry he is at ketanji brown jackson to have the temerity to be another black person on the supreme court. he apparently thought he got to be the only one. he thought he had pulled up the ladder for everybody else, right? so he's really like, basically throws a tantrum at jackson, and why? because jackson is making the actual originalist argument in the affirmative action case. she is the one pointing out that the 14th amendment was done explicitly for racial restorative policies like affirmative action, which as i said yesterday, the first time that happened in thiscountry was during reconstruction. so this is the history that clarence thomas ignores, and that's why he's so -- and that's why he's so fabulist about all

of the stuff that's in his concurrence. he just is like plucked out his own eyes and he doesn't want to see anything that ms. ginni tells him he shouldn't be able to see. that's where he is in his head space right now. >> let me bring you in. let's talk about the cases that came down today. we kind of all had this feeling, i think all of us did on this panel, they were doing the one case where they weren't going to throw out elections entirely and say states could decide who the electors were. that was sort of like the kind of dodge to make you not remember what they were going to do next. but this, the way the right is spinning it is they're doing the usual thing of saying no, no, they believe in what mlk said, here's sarah huckabee sanders. as martin luther king said, people should be judged -- they say the same thing. this is what mlk wrote about

affirmative action. the vast majority of civil rights leaders, this is the quote, favored affirmative action. as martin luther king jr. said, a society that has done something special against the negro for hundreds of years must now do something special for him, for him. but his goals went beyond that. his policy goals were not to just alter the racial composition of the elite but also change everything about the economy in ways that today republicans would call socialist. your thoughts on this misuse of doctor king to explain what's being done to people of color and other minorities. >> yeah, joy. it's also exhausting. you know, i'm leaning on my grandmother's adage of the only time you should be surprised is when you're surprised. we have seen time and time again republicans and conservatives constantly cherry pick the words of doctor king to hide behind their own racism and white supremacy. their content of the character,

republicans pull that out every time they systematically take away people's rights. dr. king wouldn't have wanted it. first things first, dr. king was assassinated. when he was assassinated, he was known as a domestic terrorist essentially in your eyes. let's not hide behind a few sentences that you all want to use every time you take away rights and freedoms from the vast majority of americans in explicitly black americans. no one has red the length of dr. king's speeches on the right, no one has dissected what he said, because if they did, they would read that quote you said and know their cherry picked quote doesn't hold up. >> very quickly, i'm going to start with you, christina, what the supreme court has essentially said is the only group that cannot be discriminated against or perceive to be discriminated against are white people. but you can discriminate against gay people as long as you say you're an artist and you're sensitive about your art. you know, if you say i'm an artist, but that opens a lot of

doors. what they're saying the only protected class are white people who want to get into harvard and rich people. but you can discriminate against everyone else, native americans who want water, people who have the death penalty, everybody else is fair game. make that make sense. >> it doesn't make sense, joy, but it brings up a much larger question. can anyone ever be a full citizen in this country if they're not white men specifically. >> no. >> as black people really question and think about it as we move into the fourth of july. we aren't full citizens, and what will it take for us to be fully included in this country, especially in a moment where we have republican congress and essentially a conservative right wing court that's being bought by billionaires systemically taking our rights away. specifically because we're black. >> and the thing is that what it feels to me is that the court has set aside the constitution now. and they are essentially saying, we don't like the 20th and 21st centuries, and we have the power

to rid ourselves, we're just going to do it. because i don't know if when you read these rulings you see any semblance of, you know, respect for precedent or some constitutional affirment, other than in dissents. all i see are a bunch of rush limbaugh listeners being like, we're going to make rush's world come true. >> the coward is in full yolo mode, and they have been since ruth bader ginsburg died. the point that you're making about the 14th amendment is so important. what the court has said is the 14th amendment does not allow for race conscious admissions but does allow for any dime store bigot to refuse to serve members of the lgbtq community, and it's not going to stop there. because this argument that the court makes in the 303 creative case, as long as you have a deeply held religious belief that you can deny services to other people, you know where

that's coming next, right? because the next time i go into a store, i'm going to say, make me a sandwich and they're going to say, actually, no, i'm a sandwich artist and i don't have to make you anything. next time i go for swimming lessons, actually, no, swimming is my art and jesus doesn't want you to swim. that's what's coming next. so the idea that this is just a small case about gay marriage, no, no, no. what neil gorsuch and the conservatives have done in this case is really bring us back to a plessy v. ferguson standard in terms of public accommodations loss. >> and to say that everyone except white christians and billionaires have no rights that anyone is bound to respect. that actually does sum up this court pretty well. thank you both very much. up next on "the reidout," how conservatives on the supreme court have clumsily danced around the once all important issue of standing in cases before the court. "the reidout" continues after this.

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people are saying, oh, i paid off mine. why can't you pay off yours? people who already paid them off don't realize how expensive it's gotten. >> did you apply for forgiveness? >> everyone i knew applied for it. we all did. all right, cool. i did know that they had like a clerk or something like that, but to hear the final outcome,

like wow. >> just a few of the millions of americans who will be harmed by today's malicious supreme court rulings. in a 6-3 decision to kill president biden's student debt relief plan, the court sided with the sibs states challenging it. the justices ruled one state, missouri, had standing to bring the case. why? according to chief justice john roberts, a quasi-government student loan officer would lose revenue, but the student loan services cited 25 times by roberts in his ruling did not participate in the case. missouri's former attorney general and current senator eric schmidt went shopping for an entity to file his lawsuit and the company didn't want to be involved. the cower's other major decision today ruled in favor of biggity and intolerance. the same six justice majority said a colorado web designer can refuse service to lgbtq couples. in her dissent, justice sotomayor wrote, the immediate symbolic effect of the decision is to mark gays and lesbians for

second class status. the opinion of the court is quite literally a notice that reads, some services may be denied to same-sex couples. i'll bring reaction from the lgbtq couple denied by the zeiner, i would, but i can't, because they don't exist. she was never approached by any couple. it's a manufactured case. the designer was represented by the alliance defending freedom, a self-proclaimed legal army that is behind the suit to make mifepristone illegal nationwide. despite never designing a wedding website or alleging any legal injury at all, the adf took up her case to challenge colorado's anti-discrimination law because they could. joining me now is ayanna pressley and kelly roberts. i want to start with you, representative, and talk about the ppp loans -- well, not the ppp loans, sorry, those are

okay. they're allowed to get their debt relief enacted. talk about the actual injury we're going to see based on the fact that the court has decided that even though the statute said that the department of education could modify these loans, apparently, they can't. >> well, more of the same. more harm from this far right extremist imbalanced supreme court. you know, they have been enlisted as coconspirators in this extremist agenda all the way to the supreme court. joy, if they were a caucus in congress, they would be called the forced birth, don't say gay, boot strapper, anti-black caucus. they're all but obliterating any ladders to social and economic mobility. yesterday's ruling gutting affirmative action and this decision today is devastating. and it will be deeply consequential. especially for the most marginalized.

there's some 43 million people who are in dire need of this life-changing relief. educators who took on this debt because they want to teach our babies and they can't afford to raise their own children and meet the monthly minimums. senior citizens on fixed incomes who have had their wages garnished because they still owe. in fact, they owe more now than they took out. a whole generation of millennial and gen z who can't start a family or grow a business, and black and brown borrowers. black borrowers who have been locked out of every major federal relief program in the country, targeted by red lining. we're earning more income, but we have not built wealth, so black borrowers borrow and default at higher rates. this executive action would have canceled out to zero for 1 in 4 black borrowers their debt. might i also add, since this is the forced birth court, they're

really wanting women to be in a permanent second class status. not only have we not enshrined gender equality in our constitution past the era, not only have they obstructed the will of the people in overturning roe with the dobbs decision, but with this decision today to block the relief, the student debt relief, two-thirds of women disproportionately carry this nearly $2 trillion debt here. so this is deeply consequential. i have been an ongoing conversation with the white house for the last two years to make plain the face of these borrowers. and you heard today the president speak directly to the borrowers. this movement has made plain the stakes, and might i also add that it is so critically important that this transformative relief is delivered to the very coalition of voters that delivered this white house. >> let me play for you, you mentioned president biden. this is what he said today about

what he's going to do about the loans issue. >> let's be clear. some of the same elected republicans, members of congress who strongly oppose giving relief to students got hundreds of thousands of dollars themselves in relief. members of congress. because of the businesses they were able to keep open. several members of congress got over $1 million. all of those loans were forgiven. now, a kid making $60,000, trying to pay back his bills, asking for $10,000 in relief, come on. hypocrisy is stunning. >> that was him talking about the hypocrisy. to that very point, there's a representative named ralph norman who said you can't cancel student loan debt more than a car loan. he got money for ppp. marjorie taylor greene, matt gaetz, all the way down who got

millions in some cases in loan relief. what the president did say, congresswoman, is they're going to lower the repayment threshold to a maximum 5% of income, and they're going to go back and find a way to still give this relief. do you think the white house has an aggressive enough plan to essentially backstop and help people anyway despite the supreme court? >> let me speak plainly to borrowers who are distressed right now as they think about what this will mean for their lives every day. the president has heard you. and he spoke directly to you today. and i'm going to continue to make plain not only the stakes here because this is transformative and sorely needed change and relief. it's also widely popular, which is why this political legislating supreme court wants to obstruct it. but the president needs to move in a way that is efficient, effective, and impactful.

so what will be key in this moment is implementation. that's what i will be closely following. but i do -- i am encouraged by the fact that secretary cardona and the president came out quickly, spoke directly to borrowers, and they're prepared to move with nimbleness to deliver this meaningful relief. >> congresswoman, thank you very much. much appreciated. >> i want to also now bring in kelly robinson. let's talk about this other case, which essentially has said that you cannot -- well, the same court, i should say, has said if a white student wants to get into harvard, you have to let them in. however, it appears that lgbtq people are a class that does not have the protection of the court. that's how i read it. i don't know if that's how you read it. is that how you view this ruling? >> absolutely. it's dangerous and it's devastating. and it's part of a trend that we

have seen this week, right? the court once again has rejected decades of precedent to justify discrimination. you saw it yesterday with affirmative action. we saw it last year with dobbs and we're seeing it today with 303 creative. we view this case narrowly, that this decision should apply only to original custom goods and services. so yes, it does affirm that if somebody is creating a custom website, they can deny that service to a gay couple. but if they're offering a template website to the general public, they have to still provide that service to that same gay couple or client. i think that's really important as we move forward and see how this plays out. i don't want that narrow definition of what has occurred in this decision to undermine the broader story that we are living in a moment where they're creating more and more opportunities to chip away at our fundamental rights, simply based on who we love. everybody should see this for exactly what it is, a trend and a moment where opposition is using every means of government

to justify hate. >> the thing is, i mean, i'm not sure that -- you're reading it narrowly and that's very optimistic, but in this case, there wasn't even a harmed person. the woman who had this website company didn't even make wedding websites. the person who allegedly was asking her to make a wedding website, first of all, isn't even gay. is married and said i don't know why i'm involved. so this was like a theoretical maybe in the future i might want to do art. what is to stop the next person who says, well you know what, i make cakes. i'm a baker, because they already ruled in favor of a cake baker who didn't want to bake a cake for a gay couple, and they said making cake is my art. i'm not going to make it for you, or they say my religion says i don't believe in interracial marriage. if a couple wants to be married and one is black and one is white, can't do that either. i don't see how it's narrow because almost anything can be called art. >> i think we're going to see

further litigation on this as it plays out. i think it's important we read the decision for what it is, as a narrow one that applies to custom and original products. and i also want to kind of lean into the decision which has gone a long way in affirming there are non-discrimination protections in housing, employment, and credit that are critically important to maintain. i think again, it's about the bigger picture. they have opened a pandora's box here of ways they can start to -- people can start to legalize discrimination where they're turning bigotry into a protected class. that is fundamentally dangerous in itself. >> and i will say, bigotry, but only by one group of protected people. and that is conservative christians because i have not seen them even once protect any other religious group. they're just saying right wing christians are a protected class and that's it, as are billionaires, and you know, white conservative christians. i don't know who else they care about. still ahead, the far right

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we want education, not indoctrination for our children. >> i don't believe in

sexualizing children. i do not believe that other people have the right to decide what is sexually appropriate to teach other children. >> there are many schools that have books with inappropriate pictures depicted that we would like to see not banned but removed. >> not just the daughters of the confederacy has there been a conservative women's organization as influential as moms for liberty. they're getting books bans all over the country, are directly allied with ron desantis, and they are on a winning streak in red states, taking down popular fiction and lgbtq themed graphic novels like it's going out of style. this week, they're taking their act to philadelphia, for their joyful warriors national summit. an interesting way to describe banning reading. and regardless of the fact that they recently received an extremist group of designation from the southern poverty law center, the group's summit is being graced by the presence of all the leading republican

presidential candidates. joining me now is don callaway, founder of the national voter protection action fund. and simon rosenberg, democratic strategist and president of the new democrat network think tank. don, i'm going to start with you because i would think for a democratic strategist and democratic campaigns it's kind of a gold mine that all of these wanna be presidents are speaking before a group that's been directly associated with the proud boys. >> it is, but you have to remember a couple things. first of all, only you and i and simon understand what a terrorist designation from the southern poverty law center actually means. so there's nobody on the republican or even in the middle side of the american political spectrum who is thinking about that as a real red flag and understands that this means these are people who are really on the wrong side of history, and probably a present danger to their fellow americans. but i think when you look at this politically, of course, democrats are going to have to find a way to message around this, but it's very dangerous because if you look at the

demographic and the archetype of those women, that is a demographic that the democratic party has tried to court along a tightrope for years now. we're talking about suburban white moms, some working, some not, but they're very difficult to attack, right? so the republican think tank and the major funders who are behind moms for liberty and these mama bears and have been at it for 15 years now, those people know that. and they're putting thesis kind of docile, just you know, american pie women up who put democrats in extremely difficult political positions to try to rebut that. but if you take away the visuals and just listen to what they're saying, the crazy is still there. so it makes for perfect because the crazy is still there if we're willing to get away from what they look and sound like. >> it was in some of the eyes in that video. i was like, ooh. simon, how do democrats deal

with that. what they're doing, the polling i presume is extremely unpopular, banning books? >> it is. and i think we should lean into this debate and not shy away from it at all. i think if we can't win a big debate with republicans over book banning, i think we don't deserve to win the next election, right? this is something, we can't run away from, all these culture war issues, we have to run into them. we can't run away from them. we have to contest their arguments and show them to be for what as my colleague just said, right, the crazy is still there, and we have to expose it. i think this week in general, joy, was a really important reminder of the basic structure of our politics now. joe biden has been a good president. we got great economic numbers, we saw putin stumble in ukraine. we have seen better numbers on the border. there continues to be lots of positive news and evidence of his success as a president. and they continue to remind us they are, that they're too extreme, they have been overtaken by extremism and

extremists. that fundamental contrast between us getting the job done and them being a little too crazy is the fundamental contrast we have to continue to establish in this election. >> let me stay with you for a moment because the numbers are very concrete. the economy is doing a lot better. you're seeing annual inflation falling to its lowest rate since 2021. pay rolls rose 339,000 in may. jobless claims drops, you can go on and on, inflation down, unemployment rate is very low, and yet president biden's approval ratings are still under water. and the disapproval on the economy, can you explain this to me? why would people have such a high disapproval rating for the economy when the economy is objectively good? >> well, he's got to go make his case. we can't be satisfied with these numbers. i will say in his approval rating, we're about at the same place as we were in the election in 2022 when we did so well in the battlegrounds. so we're not in a dangerous place. but we need to be in a better place. and i think particularly on the

economy, this is the big narrative job for democrats this year. we have to get into a better place on economic issues, the president made it very clear they're going to launch a major campaign to do that now. as democrats, we need to amplify the support and messages because we know from polling that when people are informed about what he's done, his numbers go up. and we have to go help him make that case in the months to come. >> and don, you know, people's misery index is usually very personal. my rent is too high, i don't love my job, i don't have a job that pays me enough. that does get translated onto disapproval of the president. how do democrats do that messaging in that condition, especially when people are terrified of losing all their rights at the hands of the supreme court? >> yeah, i think this is the first time in my lifetime that we have -- we as democrats have a legitimate opportunity to message the supreme court to black voters. particularly educated and middle class black voters. historically, i don't want to

simplify black voters into a monolith, but for the last 25 years. it's been about economic opportunity, racial justice, police brutality, and criminal justice. this is the first time effectively yesterday, the supreme court gave african american voters what they gave liberal women voters last year, a reason to get out. democrats have to get behind messaging it because it's new and it potentially resonates for the first time. we know how we feel about the social implications of the affirmative action, but when you couple that with the idea of republicans concocting a case and controversy in the gay marriage stuff, and concocting of a matter that doesn't exist. when you couple that with the idea of the litigation this will cause on deciding what colleges use race, this is an extremist supreme court that can be messaged to black voters. >> indeed. everybody black knows who

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♪ ♪ ♪♪ voltaren. the joy of movement. ♪♪ to say this has been a challenging week for a majority of americans is a huge understatement. while the supreme court is trying to take us back to the 1950s, they cannot undo

everything. in an attempt to take back the narrative, we want to celebrate and uplift the culture. lucky for us, august marks the 50th anniversary of hip-hop which was born from two turntables and a microphone in the bronx back in 1973. ever since then, hip-hop like jazz has become one of america's most important and celebrated art forms. and given voice to the voiceless. it introduced a new uniquely american and uniquely black art form and challenged social norms by taking on ideas like racial inequality, police brutality, and gender roles. ♪♪ ♪♪

>> hip-hop has become an economic juggernaut as our friends at nightly news pointed out back in 1990. >> music has power, all right. the advertising industry is betting rap music has selling power. nbc's deborah roberts reports. ♪ in the city ladies look pretty ♪ >> for years, rap music with its raw tough edge was a sound heard mainly on the streets where it was born. then it moved to mtv. but now, move over, gentle jingle. rap is ripping through commercial land, selling everything from soft drinks to sneakers. >> oh, my god. hip-hop is documented in real time, the stories>> stands as at freedom of expression is one thing, and even the supreme court cannot take it from us. joining me now our to johnson hip-hop fab 5 freddy and carris one, thank you both for being

here. i was just laughing at, this washington the today show explaining hip-hop was one of the funniest things i've ever seen, i found very hilarious. very hilarious,choice they made. lord jesus. i've gotta go to you first fab my friend, you are part of building his hip museum, which i can't wait opens and i can go see it. can you give us your, since having been around from day one, what has hip-hop meant to black music and to america? >> you know, it's amazing joy. i'm home in harlem right now, i think about this often the fact that hip-hop came right off of these new york streets at a time when new york was depressed economically on the ground on its back, and then we just took those two turntables on a microphone, you know, the be boys and be girl sorted dancing, graffiti artist made incredible images, and you want to control that narrative. that was key for me in the

things that i have done. i also was honored and proud to get to direct k are asks ones first music video, my philosophy, one of the first people to came into this game a strong messages and a strong vibe in informant educated so many of us, so it's really been an honor to see this thing that was born and bred right here in these new york streets become this global juggernaut that still rocks the house to this day. >> yes, and chaos one is an honor to talk to, you my brother. i will ask you the same question, what is department? but as a thing as it is now become very commercial, and is now huge, it is one of the biggest businesses on the planet. do you think that it still has the same messaging power? because back, you know, when you were doing it really was in a way it was our cnn. do you think it has retained that power, and what do you think it means to the world? >> well actually, you don't have an album for that one.

first of all, shout out to fab 5 freddy, what's going on. first of all, keep in mind that business is never going to be bigger than the culture. business, and i shouldn't say capitalism itself, yes, its resources from culture itself. so no matter how big the business is, the culture is bigger, in that sense move over to the idea of performing arts. yes, we are selling a huge amount of records, we are also streaming, all types of stuff. keep in mind also that graffiti, emceeing, beat boxing, djing, also the most performed arts in the world as well. this is what points to culture. so i can say that, you know, as a surface answer the business is never going to be bigger than the culture. and keep this in mind, as big

as the business is, always remember the culture is bigger. all the success we are having in business, just imagine what's really going on on the street level in the world today in regards to hip-hop? our semi centennial has been crazy right now, how the world is celebrating what is going on. shadow to 15 20, gathering in the bronx. >> and i mean, there has been a big today, i know the bronx started. it from brooklyn originally. queens was always in the house, queens bridge, the bridges over. we know there's always been a debate. each of you, i'm gonna give you real quick pop quiz. where do you think the real home of hip-hop is? let's start with you krs-one, whereas a real home of hip-hop, is a queen, the bronx? >> officially, the real home of hip-hop is 15 20-centric avenue in the bronx. that's where we started, dj hurt, and his system started

the party right there. and so we took it out to 1600 park, then down to cedar park. don't of. >> fab 5 freddy you agree,? >> krs-one is one hunted percent accurate, but a lot people don't know about because he's got to not make records, it was a mobile street dj seen, disco djs, that is what led to cool hurt. these are guys who are in all of the boroughs, queens, brooklyn, and manhattan. the guys in the bronx put a remix on it, and did something unique and much needed that we could all take. pardon >> a man. i'm keeping both of these great brothers, these legends with me for just a hot minute, just a little bit after the break. we're gonna play in a, bit stay there. it sta there.

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krs-one my brother, who won the week? >> mayor rock chamber of commerce new jersey one wreak. the city of newark asserting to rise, and the crime is going way. down it's amazing. >> amen, amen, amen. fab 5 freddy, who won the week? >> i'm going to give the week to yusef salaam, the young brother that was wrongfully convicted, one of the central park five has now won the primary for harlem city council seat. and so amazed. he encapsulates the story of so many black americans. this is an amazing story, inspirational, and i'm voting for this brother right here. >> i love that, we did not plan this, but we have an interview with him next week, i cannot wait for that. thank you fab 5 freddy krs-one. when we cannot? you old-school hipaa. i could not have y'all on, and not say old school hip-hop one. we have missy elliott, old school hip-hop is going to be representing this weekend a