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burgers on the grill. let's take a look at some of the week's top stories. with us, the host away too early. white house chief at political jonathan lemire, you asked special correspondent for bbc news katty kay is with us. former white house director of communications to obama jen palmieri. and the president of the national action network and host of msnbc's politicsnation, reverend al sharpton joins us this morning. so get this, a memoir from donald trump's own former white house chief of staff appears to undercut the former presidents latest and many defenses for his willful handling of classified documents. earlier this week you remember this leaked audio from a 2023 meeting seemingly capturing former president trump showing off what he admitted was a classified document. this is at his club in bedminster. about a potential plan to

attack iran while he was president. >> well, with milley, i'll show you example. he said that i wanted to attack iran. isn't it amazing? i've a big pile papers. this thing just came up. look. this was him. they presented me this, this is off the record, but they permit presented me this. this was him, this was the department and him. wait a minute, let's see here. i just found, isn't that amazing? this totally wins my case, you know. except it is, like, highly confidential. this is secretive. this was done by the military and given to me. i don't know, i think we can probably, right? >> i don't know, we'll have to see. yeah, you have to try to figure out. >> you classify it.

see, as present i could have declassified it. it's not interesting? >> you gotta love the staff going i think we have a problem. that recorded conversation took place during a meeting with ghost writers who were interviewing trump for a memoir being published by his former chief of staff mark meadows. in the days since that audio leaked, the former president has claimed all sorts of things like he was not showing up for military plans, no, of course not, not on that tape. what you heard was him waving around plans for new buildings and golf courses, newspaper clippings, but according to a message. passage from meadows met more, trump did discuss iran attack plans while being interviewed for the book. in it meadows wrote quote, the president recalls a four-page report picked up by mark milley himself.

it contained the general's own plan to deploy -- the polling mass numbers of troops, something he urged trump to do more than once during his presidency. this is so painful, you could see when trump was trying to explain this away with an interview to fox i believe that he was like, it was golf plans, it was my pants, it was my shirts. you could hear the papers rustling. that was literally him trying to buy time to think of an excuse. this is in the book and remember, if this is in the indictment, chances are the people who are in that room including the sycophants who couldn't say mister president, please put away classified documents. why are they here? all of those people potentially interviewed. >> in this memo from mark meadows, it provides corroboration for jack smith

and the special counsel's office where he says in the more explicitly, this is a four-page attack plan prepared by general milley that is presented by don't trump, exactly one he appears to be describing on that audiotape. rev, when you listen to these explanations from donald trump, he is painting himself as a martyr. i'm getting indicted for you he is saying to this crowd. and just hoping that they buy the explanation that is all part of a greater witch hunt, that this is all because they don't want him to be in the white house, they being the justice department, they being the fbi, they being the special counsel. it remains to be seen if that passes outside of his group of close followers who seemed to buy anything he presents them. >> inside that small group, they want to bite. he plays in something that is already there. i think in terms of the expanded body of people that he is shooting for, it becomes more and more difficult with his own chief of staff, the

memos say that he does do what this tape says he did. they caught him on tape, it doesn't even really makes sense, why would you have building plans in your hand while you're talking about milley saying that we ought to give more troops to iran. it is totally inconceivable, unless you want to make that something. mika makes good point. people that gave the tape are going to likely testify and in donald trump's trial. they will say, this is what he said, this is what he showed, we never talked about golf courts or buildings. and who's going to refute? that is don trump going to take a stand because the only one that can get on the stand and contrast that is donald trump. if he does that, he may need to get the handcuffs ready. >> -- >> they will kill him in a cross examination. >> if he ever gets on the stand, it's unlikely, perhaps, we will see. gentle mary, perhaps the

obvious explanation for these increasingly absurd explanations from donald trump is because there's no good argument. there's no defense for. you have to just throw stuff out there, hope it gets caught up in the fog machine of misinformation and enough people by what you're saying to not see the truth. he explicitly describes on the tape a defense department document in his hands. >> he says, i just happen to have it here in my pile papers. there's a few things, there's a few notable things going on with this particular situation. one, i am surprised that he got so defensive and felt the need to try to explain away what he said as opposed to being, as opposed to having bravado with his response what he said he did on the tape to say, just to say as he said before, it is my right, i have these things. to be so defensive entering -- obviously formulating his

response in realtime as he is speaking, settling on plans and talking about plans, his golf plans, his house plans. the second thing that's worth noting, this is the second time we've heard audio of him talking about a mark milley memo. imagine, we just happen to have learned about these audiotapes. imagine how many more the prosecutor may have. this could just be the tip of the iceberg. it is interesting to think about, why are we hearing these audiotapes, who is releasing them. it could be mark meadows, it could be meadows staff. it could be the prosecutors thinking that it is good for people to see. we have a strong case. there is a lot of people who have access to the state. no one is going to think it was a prosecutor. but it's also worth considering why these tapes are getting out

into the public. >> and how they're getting out there, again this is a group of ghost writers for mark meadows memoir sitting in the room, that is who you're hearing on the tape along with on trump and his staff members. >> coming up next, new polling shows the former president building on his lead over the gop field despite his recent federal indictment. that is after a short break. that is after a short break. it's down with rybelsus®. my doctor told me rybelsus® lowered a1c better than a leading branded pill and that people taking rybelsus® lost more weight. i got to my a1c goal and lost some weight too. rybelsus® isn't for people with type 1 diabetes. don't take rybelsus® if you or your family ever had medullary thyroid cancer, or have multiple endocrine neoplasia syndrome type 2, or if allergic to it. stop rybelsus® and get medical help right away if you get a lump or swelling in your neck, severe stomach pain, or an allergic reaction.

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get you. vaughn hillyard, let's first talk about your reporting on democrats really concerned about 2024 and trump. >> this reporting stems from a lot of private conversations. democrats who are concerned heading into november of 2024. not necessarily with their side of the ticket to be clear, but also understanding of what donald trump and what is

referred to as the potent minority. that is where this new nbc polling makes it very clear just what that support for donald trump could look like in a general election. i had conversations with mandela barnes who nearly lost his senate race last year to ron johnson, a close ally of donald trump. i talk to tim ryan who lost by a decent margin in ohio senate race to trump ally j.d. vance. there are realities in these battleground states that in 2020, don trump turned out a record number of votes on behalf of republican nominees in each of the battleground states. more than any republican nominee ever. that is where these conversations are heading. if you look at some of these new numbers from nbc polling, this is where that begins to open up, that conversation. let's get to those numbers right now. >> despite facing federal charges, the new polling shows that donald trump is expanding his lead in the 2024 republican primary. in the latest nbc news survey, trump is the top choice of the

51% of gop voters. that is up from 46% in april. in second place, with 22% is florida governor ron desantis. his forte has fallen by nine points since the last poll which was taken before he officially entered the race. although trump remains popular among republicans, just 34% of all registered voters view him positively all 60 -- view him negatively. 55% also say the recent charges against trump give them major or moderate concerns about the former president. as for his -- incumbent president joe biden, 43% approve the job that he is doing in office. while 52% disapprove. that is essentially unchanged from april. and in a hypothetical 2024 matchup between biden and trump, the current president leads the former president 49% to 45%.

that is within the poles margin of error. there you go on, it is bad headline after bad headlines for trump. yet, general election is just barely. i think for any incumbent president the economy looms in issue. they are getting good news on that lately, we have weeks worth of events of biden talking about the economy. but those polls really crystallized the dynamic. trump is only increasing his grip on the republican party, but for them the bottom signs for next year. >> that is where that number, 49% of joe biden, 45% for donald trump. this is a national poll, but do you know than nbc poll before the election, joe biden over donald trump by ten percentage points. this is proudly voting. if we are potentially a third party candidate from west to no labels, you don't know where the economy is heading. that is where in some of those numbers, yes, when you're looking at the approval rating for donald trump, they are not great. but when you have only 45% of

the country saying that the classified documents is a minor concern or nerve concern at all, that is a glimpse into what donald trump has to work off of here. you are talking about a guy in which 35% of the country has a negative feeling towards the fbi here. this is an opportunity to essentially make the case to allies of the republican elected officials that look, americans, but are not turning against me despite all this. at least a foundation to work off because if you get 43, 44% in the november election, that could be enough to win. >> i want to go to my friend now. the former rnc chair who knows republican politics backwards and forwards. in 2016 there was still a little bit of delusional thinking that at some point don trump was going to go away. i think now by the stage in the game, people aren't as

delusional but i'm surprised that people were surprised that donald trump had such strength in this nbc poll because it is what so many people have been saying for a while now, if you're really watching the republican electorate. so what would it take in your estimation for donald trump not to be the 2020 fort albany. >> an act of god but. i don't know. but think about it, this man is -- 37 indictments, 37 counts indictments? his numbers go up. so yeah, this is baking itself in in a way that i just don't see any of these candidates that are running against him in this primary, not just chipping away, but actually gaining enough sufficient grounds to become a critical number two,

to narrow the race to just two people but. that would excite and bring into the mix those republican voters who are about 60% of whom do not support or do not vote in paderborn. that's a big number, they're laser that can be created for that. but i just don't see where that comes down at this point, donald trump is one of these political figures, once in a lifetime unfortunately for us it is our lifetime that has this kind of hold on a political party that by the way, he could give to -- this is just like going from one vehicle to the next. this is a better driving political car for him that he can manipulate the years, seamlessly, easily, and this example is in the polling that he is sharing with us. this is the kind of hold he

has. so yeah, who takes him out? i think even though god almighty is saying, well we need have a meeting on that. i don't know. >> you know what that is though? doing better, you conspiracy theory is sticking, doing better as indictments pile up. some would call that a cult, someone called at fascist tendencies. >> he plays to that extraordinarily well. and again, how much of that is true belief and true intent by donald trump, he is a transactional guy. what do i need in the transaction to make it work for me. but the other side of it is, people believe that. they latch on to it and it picks a side for them that

they're much more inclined towards. that is how he locks it in and it is an amazing -- we are gonna be studying this phenomenon for a long time to better understand how this country, in all that we profess can withstand this in the future. right now, at 40 9:45, and yeah you can say what you want about joe biden's age, you can say all you want about democrats. this is less about them and a lot more about a country that is inclined towards some of the things that trump is putting out there. >> don't go anywhere, after this we will speak with secretary of state anthony blinken about the attempted rebellion in russia. u.s. relations with china, and much more. h china, and much more. much more. ingrained in our skin. and even when we metamorphosize into our new evolved form, we carry that spirit with us.

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largest threat to vladimir putin's reign since he came to power more than two decades ago. this as putin's war against ukraine rages on. with reports of at least nine people killed and a missile strike in the eastern part of the country. at home, the white house announced another $500 million in aid for ukraine. china of course is also keeping a close eye on all of this as beijing steps up its own pressure campaign against taiwan. for more on all this, let's bring in the united secretary of state anthony blinken. also with us, nbc news chief course -- thank you both for joining us. said qatar played, during the war in ukraine, how is the united states and nato allies viewing this rebellion in russia? how does it change the dynamic, the geopolitical dynamic. also, did the u.s. know this

rebellion was coming? >> first of all, good morning, great to be with you. this is, it remains in many ways an extraordinary moment. i think it is for the revealed the failure of russia's war in ukraine, both abroad and also at home. we are seeing some cracks emerge, not just in what it is doing on the ground in ukraine, but back in moscow. he put this in perspective, it is extraordinary, 16 months ago we were sitting here, russian forces were on the doorstep of kyiv, they thought they were going to take the city, they thought they're going to erase ukraine from the map as an independent country. now fast forward 60 months and you have got forces heading towards moscow, mercenaries of putin's own making that he now has we focused on and worried about. almost in a nutshell that -- it is still very tough, challenging, the ukrainians are just starting a counteroffensive to take back more of their territory.

but across the board this has been a failure for putin and now we are seeing cracks emerge, not just the external ones in terms of his prosecution of the war. >> there's no question that vladimir putin's weakness has been exposed over the last year and a half or so. but when you use the term cracks internally, what does that mean specifically? i think some people are skeptical that he would lose his grip on power in a country that he is ruled for almost a quarter of a century at this point. when you talk about internal cracks, what do those look like and how do they potentially knock him out of power? >> we don't want to do -- this is fundamentally an internal matter that the russians and putin are going after reckon with. but you had a direct challenge to putin's authority from prigozhin. you see the -- it is not as if you need a satellite to figure that out. if you have got a social media account, you can see this debate, this argument going on inside russia for months about the prosecution of the war, prigozhin himself questioned really promises of the war,

whether nato or ukraine presented a threat to russia, which neither does. that's when talking about, where that goes when and how it gets there, that is a matter of speculation. we are relentlessly focused on ukraine self, making sure that it has to defend itself, what needs to take back the territory that russia seized. >> putin has effectively squashed any opposition to him over the years. do you believe that there are now forces inside of russia willing, but also able to push him aside and you have a regime change inside the country? these are decisions, these are choices for russia to make, not for us to make. as i said, what we are focused on is ukraine itself. but there is no doubt that what we have seen just in the last 48 hours or profound questions that putin is going to have to answer, both questions internally, we've had a lot of questions that he asked answer for. look where russia is now as a

result of this aggression. we are militarily, we are economically. the standing in the world has plummeted, is managed to get europe off russian energy. it is managed to strengthen nato, we need to have a new member and a new member on its way. it has managed to alienate virtually all of ukraine and unite the country the same time. across the board, this has been a strategic failure for putin. to the extent that there are now cracks merging internally, that only magnifies the problem he is facing. >> mister secretary, good morning. ukraine's counteroffensive has been a tough slog, presents lewinsky has acknowledged that. because it we can volodymyr putin and a divided russian military help ukraine or does it weaken vladimir putin perhaps, encourage him to be more aggressive and increase the assaults that he has superiority in the air. there's a lot of damage he can do, including of course these operation nuclear power plant. >> the counteroffensive is in

his early days, you heard the ukrainian secretary just so yesterday, he had to commit the bulk of their forces to this effort. there's no doubt that it is tough going, the russians had months and months to replace defenses. but we just announced additional assistance to ukraine yesterday. they have what they need to be successful. to the extent that moscow is distracted by its own internal divisions, that may help. to the extent that the wagner forces themselves are no longer on the front lines, that could help because they have been effective, literally they throw people into a meat grinder of putin's own making, but that is had some effect. i think there is some opportunity here for ukraine, but it is early days and i think this will play out not all for the next, days but over next weeks and months. >> mister secretary, we all watched in moscow over the weekend, so to beijing, what is your early assessment as to how china views what has happened there, this rebellion because

of their alliance, their support for russian people. >> beijing has had to walk a very challenging line on this from day one. on the one hand, finding ways to support russia, including diplomatically advancing his arguments, it's false arguments around the world. and the same time, trying to seem neutral and trying to present itself somehow as a peacemaker. i think that is getting more and more challenging. having said, that when i was in china we conversations about the russian aggression against ukraine, we agreed that it was something that we need to keep talking about, they make him a point, if there's an opening for genuine diplomacy, we are trying to play a positive and productive role, that is still far in the future but i think some of the tensions between the dual rules that china is trying to play or more and more apparent. >> you met with president xi two weeks ago, you had a meeting they called productive, the handshake moment and everything that came with it, a couple of days later president

biden referred to president xi as a dictator. do you share that view of president xi? is he a dictator? >> you know, one of the reasons that i went to china at the present behest was to make sure that we had clear sustainable communication to make sure that we can work through our differences, to try to prevent the competition that we are in from veering into conflict. and also to see if we can find areas where we cooperate. one of the things that make sense to our chinese counterparts is, we are gonna say, and we're gonna do things that you don't like. you do and say things that we don't like. we are good at work through that. that is what we're doing. >> does that make him a dictator? >> the president speaks for all of us, he speaks candidly, he speaks clearly. >> carrie kaye has a question for you secretary. >> mister secretary, good morning. i just came back from week in europe and i was struck by the degree to which people were asking me about two things, one was which whether donald trump would come back again and that raises concerns about the degree to which allies might start hedging in terms of their

policies around china. even around ukraine, wondering where america is going to head in 2024, but also the split between europe and america which is pretty evident over the question of china. i was wondering what you're hearing from european allies and what you're saying to try to bring them on board with china and what you're saying to them about their concerns about all trump coming back again possibly. >> caddie, greatest you too. i hate to do this, but of a different view. i actually think we have more convergence on the approach to china with europe as well as with key partners in asia than we have seen anytime in recent memory. if you look and listen to what senior leaders in europe are saying, including ursula, ahead of the european union, we could be exchanging speeches, exchanging talking points because we are exactly on the same line, both in the challenge that china presents, as well as what we're doing about it. across the board, we are working very closely together to deal with that challenge. in fact, one of the things that

is evan to me for my conversations in china is that they're concerned with the fact that we have this unity of purpose and you need to be of action with european allies as well as in asia. i don't see that changing. look, all we can do is focus on the moment we are in. and the responsibilities that we have right now. none of us have a crystal ball when it comes to the future, especially when it comes to politics. and at the end of the day, the more successful we are, the more effective we are both in delivering for our own people and demonstrating our policies work, the more likely it is that it will be sustained in the future. >> mister secretary, there is reporting that a big focus of your conversations in beijing were on taiwan, with china, very concerned about a more aggressive, more nationalistic, more independent minded president being elected in the coming elections. you are stating your own neutrality about the former election. what is your impression about

their timeline, presidencies timeline regarding invading or trying to take over taiwan, cia director burns said it will be within the next five years. he said that a year ago. now present she has got a third term. is that more imminent? >> the main concern we have had with beijing's approach to taiwan is that it seems intent on changing the status quo, it is prevailed for more than 50 years. it has been a successful part of the relationship that we have in china. making sure that we can maintain peace and stability across the taiwan straight. making sure that any differences or resolved peacefully on either side, engaged in a unilateral effort to staged -- we've had concerns going back to 2016, not just the last months that china was acting more aggressively. so we had a very direct, very lengthy conversation about this. they have concerns about our policy, clarified to the extent,

our policy doesn't change. we abide by, we stick to the long-standing one china policy. as i said, our expectation is that any difference will be resolved peacefully. but what beijing needs to understand is this is not just a concern for the united states, it is a concern for virtually the entire world. you have got 50% of the commercial container traffic, we'll trade going to the street every single day. you have 70% of the semiconductors that the world relies on for our smartphones, for automobiles, for dishwashers, made in taiwan. if there were to be a crisis of china's making over taiwan, and you took all that off line, you would have a global economic crisis, that is why country after country is making it clear to china that their expectation is that china will manage this responsibly. certainly, that is what we're working on, it is really important that we have these clear candid, direct, lengthy exchanges on this, they know exactly where we are coming from and they can also share what concerns them. >> still ahead, a monumental

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major ruling from the supreme court which made it more difficult for the big lie to repeat itself in 2024.

the case, moore versus harper based out of north carolina centered on a radical theory known as the independent state legislature theory. it would've given state legislatures virtually unchecked power over federal elections based on an extreme interpretation of the constitution's election laws. in a 6 to 3 ruling, the supreme court rejected that anti democratic theory with chief justice john roberts and justices brett kavanaugh and amy coney barrett siding with the liberals. in his opinion, the chief justice writes the elections clause does not insulate state legislatures from the ordinary exercise of the state judicial review. adding that the legislatures, recognized, are the mere creatures of the state constitutions and cannot be greater than their creators. john eastman, a legal adviser to donald trump embraced this

fringe theory as a way to overturn the 2020 election, arguing that then vice president mike pence had the power to refuse to certify the results. in an email exchange with nbc news, eastman claim that the ruling would prevent legislatures from addressing illegality and fraud in a timely manner. when asked if the ruling invalidates the arguments he made in 2020, he's been wrote quote, no, but it will be murkier than it was previously. let's bring in the attorney who brought that supreme court case. neil ktvl, he is an msnbc legal analyst. i love to hear what you think about eastman's comments on this and what were the main considerations before the justices that made this 63 rather than unanimous. >> thank, you push to be with you, it seems to me that john eastman can read supreme court

decisions about as well as he can read the constitution. i don't think it is worth talking about his views quite honestly. but basically look, here is what happened this decision, there was a legal theory that all trump peddled that john eastman peddled, other republicans peddled in 2020. state legislatures can do whatever they want. that is because, remember there are about 60 cases in the 2020 election, trump lost them all. they were all basically in courts so this republican theory that was now advanced again before the u.s. supreme court is the idea that the state legislature can do anything it wants from redistricting to even throwing out the popular vote and appointing a face fake slate of electors. they can do so without the state courts, without the state constitutions having any role in this whatsoever. it is raw political power. that is what the supreme court resoundingly rejected today in the chief justices opinion.

and opinion that was joined by two appointees, brett kavanaugh and -- >> congratulations on this victory and of course there were some analysts concerned that it was possible that we would go the other way. but let me ask you this, is it encouraging that it was a super majority, that was a 63 decision, or is it discouraging because that means two members of the supreme court were willing to embrace a doctrine that has been seen as quite extreme and french in the past. >> i think it is quite encouraging, it is a signal to me that the supreme court, with a solid six justice majority behind it, you only need five, that the six are going to resist attempts by state legislatures to mess with the integrity of future elections, including the 2024 election. you are absolutely right, many people wouldn't be able to win this case indeed. all of our allies, all of our plaintiffs in the case tried to vote in the supreme court and

try to not to decide this case as it after was argued. they want to try to get rid of the case, those arguments were so wrong and so misguided, they sit down and as a powerful lesson that if you carefully study the united states supreme court decisions, litigants can win pieces that stand up for democracy. that's what happened. >> neil, congratulations on winning this case. if we can bring it down to a ground level for people, because it is so significant, what it might have looked like in 2024 and beyond if you had lost this case at the supreme court. what would elections look like in places like north carolina? >> super dangerous and scary. it would mean first of all, state legislatures can write all of the maps for who votes, how districts, and they could exclude people, empower certain people. this election map, that this case had, it came from north carolina, it is an evenly divided state so that would have been for since -- if it were done normally, but

the way the republican state legislature did it, they gerrymandered it so we have had ten or 11 republican seats and only three democratic ones. that is just on the district, could be on and think, a state legislature could say for example no one can absentee vote, period, no one at all. or they could change the polling places in minority communities today before the election. or they could've done any number of shenanigans that is limited only by their ingenuity. they would be able to do it and the courts would have no role whatsoever in policing that. the state legislatures could do anything they want. that is fundamentally un-american, that is what i said to the supreme court. i said, go back, start at the founding, justices, you claim to care about the history of the constitution, the history of this country, go back and look, it is as clear as day. >> coming up next, actors marketplace and sterling kay brown join us for a look at the new movie, biosphere. it tells the story of two

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humanity. their survival is thanks to a british scientist who designed a custom bias for the call home, outfitting it with creature comforts and necessities to stay alive on a deemed planet. joining us now are the two stars are biased fear, three-time emmy actress and actor co-writer and executive producer of mark to class. guys, it is so great to have you on the, show it's great to see you again. sterling, let me start with you. just walk us through the world we are stepping into in this movie. where are we, how to register? let's see, there is an unexplained sort of nuclear fallout that we find ourselves in beginning in the film. we've been living there for quite some time. it is a sealed atmosphere that nothing that we outside can get in. as far as we know, we are the only two people left on the planet.

maybe some other people were smart enough to build their own virus fierce. but i have no idea that you are not. >> so mark, you cowrote this. executive produced it. i take a lot of this was your idea. i should point out, the hollywood reporter, in addition to the glowing review where it says that it is hilarious and everything else and unlike anything else says it is sure to make some viewers very uncomfortable. i'm not quite sure what they mean by that. what was this idea borne out of from you as one of the creative minds behind? >> i was really looking for an excuse to dramatically see malign self in a small space with sterling kate brown for a long time. just to get a sense of his voters and my own orders and how those remix together. this really proved a great vehicle for it. i don't know man, i come up with these ideas and i'm just like, i think this would be a fun way to spend a few weeks filming. this one seems like a good way to, i would say, immediately

examined some of the fun things we are dealing with right now with post apocalyptic follow, the end of the world, toxic masculinity. but i didn't want to do it in an art film that was hard to swallow. i wanted something that was dom orphan along with it. and showing a brown is the best person to do that with. >> but see a live bit more of it. the relationship between these two characters, billy and ray. central to the film storyline. and besides the need for food and water in their biosphere, there are also a few creature comforts like books. let's take a look at a clip. >> could you not have stopped this place with some more laid back reads? >> i built it. >> you can literally build this place, right? >> but i did literally save your -- >> under, saying throw in a couple trees, man. not books you would read on the beach. hamilton -- >> frederick douglass. >> no, no, no, normal --

>> and they would have you enjoy, man? >> no, they're easy entertainment, you're on vacation, you don't have to work that hard. >> would you call this a vacation, philly. >> so sterling, doomsday comedy indeed, how many have we seen? let's talk about some inherent challenges, you're trying to keep this species alive. the chief of human in there. walk us through some of the obstacles that this movie is confronted with. >> you nailed it, two men. how does that work? there's two of us, it's going to go extinct eventually. that is all i can really say about that. we are trying to have the best time that we can while we are still here. it is such an interesting thing. even yourself asking these questions, like what would i do if i actually found myself in a situation? i would probably just try to entertain mark as much as i possibly could because i'm not anywhere close to being as smart as ray, so we pretty much

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week's top stories. >> three weeks now after former president donald trump was indicted on charges of illegally retaining national security records and obstructing the governments efforts to get them back, the new york times is reporting that federal grand jury in miami is still investigating aspects of the case. that is according to people near the matter. sources saying that in recent days the grand jury has issued a new batch of subpoenas to a handful of people connected to the probe. the paper points out that prosecutors often continue investigating strands of a criminal case even after charges have been brought. sometimes those efforts can go nowhere. but post indictment investigations can result in additional charges against people who have already been accused of crimes in the case. the investigation also can be used to bring charges against new defendants. former president trump has pleaded not guilty to the 37 counts he currently faces in that case. we know now the identity of a key figure listed. special counsel jack smith's

indictment against former president trump in the classified documents case. the indictment specifically highlights a meeting at trump's then minister golf club in new jersey in september or august of 2021. trump described as a representative of his political action committee. the new york times says the pac represented with susie wildes. currently serving as one of the top advisers for trump's reelection campaign. according to people briefed on the matter first reported by abc news. at the same time the new york post reports that while says a top post in a lobbying firm serving chinese entity that supposedly pose a national security threat and help china promote human rights abuses. -- millions of dollars have been taken from chinese companies. wildes has not responded to requests for comment. joe that was one of the big questions. who was donald trump showing

these classified documents to. we have an audiotape this week where we hear voices. we know some people were ghostwriter's for mark meadows memoir. talking an interview with donald trump when he waved around documents he described as being from the department of defense. what is your take on this revelation perhaps to chinese business? chinese entities? . >> the saying is it is not somebody who is a minor player on his campaign. or a minor player that works for him in the white house. it is someone who has been a significant force in american politics for quite some time. especially the state of florida. and is helping run donald trump's campaign. often people say, oh, the trump campaign is being run in a more professional way than it was in 2016, or 2020 they point to susan lyles. that kind of cuts both ways. in that if you're someone like susie wildes, the last thing

you are going to do is lie to the fbi he would think. lying to a grand jury? trying to cover up for donald trump. when he is actually doing something that is illegal and mishandling classified documents. it was a surprise to me that her name came out. of course the near post attached or to a lobbying from the lobbies for china and they cause a national security threat. especially if donald trump is passing information on to her. >> i'm sure that is a link that is being explored by the special counsel and this ongoing probe. one that is still growing. one that, despite the charges already being levied against tom, that miami grandeur has issued more subpoenas. you are white susan lyles is a key figure in trump's orbit. someone who has taken a lot of credit for how well he has done in the state of florida. also the professionalism if you will that the 2024 version of

the trump campaign possesses that the 2016 and 2020 frankly did not. jeff, let's get your take on this. yes, another moment of legal peril for donald trump. and particularly, susie wildes. a name well-known within political circles. as joe described she is the kind of person who is facing a dilemma about her own potential legal future. also of course, having at least some degree of loyalty to donald trump. what do you make of the buy-in that she is in? >> well, i've been in that binds. i have been in a situation -- politics often also runs into the department of justice investigations. on a few occasions i have had to cooperate with the justice department, the fbi, on legal matters involving former bosses of mine. . here is what i know about susie wildes she is not gonna lie for anybody, right? this is not someone i know well but in terms of her

professional representation -- you have to go forward. you have to be forthcoming. you have to tell them the truth. when you are in that situation it can be a little scary. you want to make sure that you are not just answering truthfully but being forthcoming. . i think we are surprised when we see her name. it really brings home how expose trump's. it's not that surprising that susie wildes is someone that the justice department is talking to but it makes you appreciate oh, right. if they are talking to see the whilst they are talking to everyone around him. two things about that. how exposed he is. she is a serious person that is not going to take a bullet for donald trump. she is going to do the right thing here with the justice department. also if she was exposed to

classified information. apparently her firm has ties with china. who else saw classified information that might be relevant to people they lobby for? ht b relevantmay in fact be foreign nationals themselves. you can imagine that in, the course of the trial, how the justice department and the prosecutors will start to lay this out. showing just how trump put us and national security, at risk. when you see these details and sort of clicks in. thank and really show the damage that he did. not just in the abstract. talking about staff and what he showed them. but how he may have exposed history on that circle. >> we have heard from the beginning that jack smith had more information that he alluded to. every prosecutor tells you that

is always the case. here is just a glimpse, a brief glimpse, of the recklessness that donald trump has shown with war plans. jonathan lemire. or reverend al, this is just when the tape recorder is on. we have no idea. all of the days, weeks, months when he had some of america's most classified secrets. nuclear secrets. secrets about america's weaknesses. secrets about our war plans to attack. secrets on all of these things. we only know this because he let someone recorded conversation that he had. we learned injustice brief glimpse of this second that we have on tape, that he is showing classified documents to

campaign managers. i wonder how much more information jacks mitt has, it specially through testimony, about those documents. and all the people he has shown them to. >> there is no telling. but given the record that all of us know of jack smith, it would be safe to assume that he has a lot more he will bring out. i think that a lot of americans are beginning to see what many of us who knew donald trump before he was president, the recklessness and donald trump. showing these classified documents. as you said joe, talking about enemies of the country. potential countries that you could engage in the war. just to get some braggadocious over someone writing a book. you know your being taped. they want secretly taping him. he was doing an interview for

these memoir goes rioters. he is so insecure. so in need of saying, i am legitimate. i am valid. look at the information i have. i was really the head of the western world. to have this kind of person in charge of the country is a threat to all of us. i think those that are supporting him should go -- they ought to consider the mentality of this man. >> coming up, how the near mutiny of the wagner group can change russian president, vladimir putin, grip on that country. you're watching joe weekend coming up next. lowered a1c better than a leading branded pill and that people taking rybelsus® lost more weight. i got to my a1c goal and lost some weight too.

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that was the president commenting on the war in ukraine and the short lived rebellion in russia. he misspoke there. thomas friedman has a column in the new york times opinion section asking the question, what happens to putin now? tom writes, in part, this. we should be worried as much by the prospect of putin's defeat as by any victory. what if he is toppled? this is not like the last days of the soviet union. there is no nice decent yeltsin like or gorbachev-like figure with the power and standing to immediately take over. if putin is ousted, we could well end up with someone worse. how would you feel if prigozhin have been in the kremlin this morning commanding russia's

nuclear arsenal? you can also get disorder or civil war and the crack up of russia into warlord oligarchs effects. when a big state cracks apart it is very hard to put it back together. the nuclear weapons and criminality that could spill out of it it disintegrated russia would change the world. >> this is not a defense of putin. it is an expression of rage and what he did to his country. making it into a ticking time bomb. amid -- taking the whole world hostage. if he wins the russian people lose. if he loses and his successor is disorder the whole world loses. let's talk more about this with the president on the council of foreign relations richard hugs. thomas treatment brings up a lot of good points here. at the same time the reality of

putin as it stands right now is not so good. >> you're right. thomas wrote we have a problem with a strong putin and week putin. the putin that went into ukraine has brought more back to europe. it is simply part of the past. the strength in some ways was false. militarily. but still he is doing real real damage. the question is how do we continue to help ukraine so it can frustrate russia. on the other hand tom points to a real scenario. even if what happens the other day is the beginning of the end we don't know if it is a six month or six-year process. we don't know ultimately how messy it is and what it leads to. the idea of a disintegrating russia has got to be on the shortlist of violence nightmares. think about what is going on in pakistan now. that is a country with 40 or 50 nuclear weapons. russia has over four 5000.

. >> sending a little 40 million people. the country is failing. if you are about a 15 or 20-year-old russian boy or a man then you have the same life expectancy as someone in haiti. this is a country that is just hailing in every way. ultimately if putin can hand over power and the country stays intact the day will come when he. putin will be having seen as driven this country over the cliff. he will basically be a pariah real question is what more damage can you do while in power? how much the he is illegitimate the hallmark of an illegitimate political system is there is no orderly legitimate process of political authority transfer. that is the danger in russia

right now it is not just about winning the war in ukraine into the back creating order in the world. that is much more complicated. well. -- it is about creating a russia that the rest of the world can deal with. there is no conversation happening how russia gets brought back into the political community. it has relations with some nonaligned countries, china and india. it does not have those with you at the moment. i was conscious last weekend as they watch the events -- a little optimism biased creeping into the analysis particularly here you cannot to look back at what happened with yugoslavia when teat allowed. >> i think now that there is a

more sober assessment he may well doubled down to prove that he is in power we've seen him wandering around with his minister of defense. do you see any impact at all on this counter offensive that the ukrainians have launched? -- >> i think your point is spot on with what you call optimism bias. i think it is about anti-putin for reasons that are so supportive of ukraine i think the analysis has been flavored by that from what i can tell putin has not lost his nerve. still have control of the military forces. he has not lost his nerve. and i think it is premature to write his obituary.

to say he's on his way out. he has done some more indiscriminate bombing of ukraine. using the tear weapons against civilian areas. that continues. it is almost his regional station identification. the forces still remain in very heavily dug in defensive positions. i think the next question for the next couple of weeks the purge is at the upper military out on the how disruptive that is. if that distracts or if that undermines morale. i think we will learn that in the next couple of weeks. these things could have momentum. it is possible that those who think this is the beginning of the end and it comes quickly might be. right if this pose a threat on the sweater of russian troop morale and solidarity i just haven't seen any evidence of that yet. things like crimea, pretty broad support of russia holding on to. it ukraine may pick up a little bit here but collapse which is

about a lot of people are expecting, i just don't see a. i'm not ruling it out but i just don't see the telltale signs of. that putin does have a dilemma. let me. say to fight a war at the same time he purging is very hard. it question is you have to fight the war especially with some of the people you are purging. i think that is the moment to moment day-to-day dilemma. how to deal with internal security at the same time he has created that external security challenge for himself. >> still ahead new york devin or kathy hochul on her state's new legislation making it easier for out of states residents to obtain reproductive care. that's next, stay with. us us

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that prescribe and send abortion pills to patients that we another states where the procedures outlawed. the new law essentially helps to expand medication abortion access nationwide by allowing without having to travel out of state. joining us now the governor of new york, kathy hochul. also, the cofounder and ceo of, all in together, lauren leader. governor hochul. i need to understand how this work. it sounds like it protects the doctors. what about the patients? >> we can protect the doctors in new york. when the patient's gone, that is a different issue. we can talk about procedures performed in new york. we passed the shield law last year even before the dobbs decision had been released. it had been leaked you know. if we stepped up to ensure our providers would be protected when the women's come to the states for services. we realize now that half of all abortions are performed with

the medication often. we wanted to make sure we protected our doctors from any liability to someone against united states. we are protecting the doctors here. any patient who comes to new york or receive the services and patient. we also have laws protecting against extradition and cooperation in laws in our states. we wanted to take a strong, bold move. we are fighting fire with fire. now. that is exactly what is going on. republicans stop at nothing. we have to stand up and fight back. >> are they receiving the medication via tele-health? do they have to come to new york? >> they do not need to come to new york. that is the beauty of how telemedicine has evolved, especially during the pandemic. for abortion providers to be able to have a conversation via zoom and have that patient conversation, be prescribed with the information leaked from this conversation.

aiken prescribe it to an individual in another state. that is what we are protecting. we are protecting women's right not just here in new york but we have a moral responsibility to help women all over this country. >> when does this new law protect women? for example, a woman in florida who receives a medication abortion through telehealth from new york. is she protected in her state from having that termination? >> she is not protected in her state for what the law enforcement authorities could do there. the doctor who prescribed the, some of the states have these vigilante laws in place. you can have bounty hunters rundown our doctors. i'm sorry, he's are new york doctors. they are keeping their hippocratic oath. providing services that, up until a year ago were protected by the united states constitution. this is how we want to make sure that we don't have a deterrent. we are literally putting up a shield. it is called the shield law.

as i said friday the statue of liberty is in our harbor. we will be a safe haven for these women who come. here we are holding up a shield. the statue of liberty has a shield underhand now who would stop individuals who would try to prosecute or extradite our own doctors. >> lauren you have a new piece in the chicago tribune about the aftermath of dobbs. it draws on a pole that year non profit commission can you talk a bit about the findings of that poll in what you are looking into? you >> look there is and -- part of what we found is. >> it is on the issue of abortion. we will have a bunch of levels. we saw the nbc poll. women are really united on the political front. we want the government to stay out of their health care. especially when it comes to the abortion pill. that it remains what we just passed in new york. also their access to

reproductive health care writ large. it is still a divisive issue. it is becoming much more of a gender decisive issue than a political decisive issue. women across the spectrum mostly agree on this. >> governor, let's get you in on. this is obviously a health care issue but also a political one. we are turning towards another election year. as you talk to democrats in your state, and others, how much do you think abortion is going to bloom as a value? >> new yorkers know that their rights are protected in our state as long as i am governor. there was a candidate last year who was vehemently opposed to women's rights. people need to know that elections have consequences. even the state of new york. a deep blue state where anything can happen. we should never let our guard down. we need to continue to show up at the. polls to speak not just for themselves but to speak for women all across the country. that is what new york's position to do. to be able to cherish the right three. have let people know they are protected in any way you can

imagine. also we are the place for women on across america. >> governor hochul. hold on one second, elise. i'm so sorry. my bad. governor hochul i'm just curious. first of all. i love what you are trying to do to help women across the country who are in these horrendous situations because they cannot get the health care that they need. this measure in new york weird prohibit state law enforcement from cooperating with any out of state litigation against doctors who use tele-health services to prescribe medication abortions or provide other reproductive health care. so, if a woman is on telehealth with a doctor he or she is protected. how does she get that medication in the state that she then? if she goes to a pharmacy are they not going to give it to her? >> we could also have it sent to different clinics and providers. we are going to test this?

innovative not been done before. it has not been enforced. i am prepared to stand on the constitutional rights and the people of this country. if someone sees us, we will fight back. we cannot be subjugated to these individuals who are weaponizing everything they can to take away women's basic rights. we are sick and tired of this. we are sick and tired of being victimized by people who are at war with women in this country. whether it is the supreme court of the united states republicans in congress, or republican governors. my god. why don't they pay attention to the fact that women will be voting. more women vote than men. there will be consequences when we take back the house next year and start letting people see that elections have consequences. >> after the break, a new report shows online hey exploding to record levels. why law enforcement is so concerned.

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a year ago. in fact, rates of harassment have increased by nearly every measure. and within almost every demographic within the past 12 months. joining us now the vice president of technology and society of the anti-defamation league, danielle eisenstat. it is great to have you with us. these are discouraging numbers. it doesn't matter who you are. in fact, look through the cross tabs. americans overall, teenagers, jewish people. black people. lgbtq, transgender people. they are all experiencing an increase. in some cases a dramatic increase in online harassment. can you take us through the numbers? but also what is at the root of this? why is it exhilarating so quickly? >> you really hit the key numbers already. just to emphasize this is a dramatic increase over previous years. highest number we have seen since we started this survey for adults teens. they have dramatically increased how much hate and abuse they are seeing online. we have also looked at transgender respondents this

year. just due to how much anti-transgender legislation and rhetoric exists in the world. the root of this it is two things. listen, it is society. it is what is happening. it is in the world. it is also social media platforms are not taking the necessary steps to protect the people who use their services that has been made abundantly clear in the numbers we are seeing and also what is happening record numbers of layoffs maxed in record numbers of violent hate and harassment. >> we should tell our viewers that you are abundantly analyzing this from this point of view the social media company to get the work at facebook for a long time and in fact you left because of some of the red flags if europe about what was happening at facebook. what is happening at these companies?

to monitor and squash the most aggressive online hate? the kind that you're describing in the survey? >> i would argue that it is not so difficult >> i worked with elections integrity which worked with a lot of political and inflammatory hate speech -- including hate speech. it's a lot on what the company prioritized. to be very clear we are talking about asking companies to just enforce their own rules. they have rules against hate speech. it is more and more becoming clear that they do not prioritize protecting users. whether it is because it is not profitable to do so, whether it is because they would rather just sweep it under the rug or it is because there is no actual pressure from the government or others to do anything about this. all of those things are contributing. >> the new regime there, and

certainly anecdotally you can tell that the voices are different on twitter than they were before elon musk took over. the numbers back it up. their recommendations particularly for that site which this weekend was a reminder. when there is news out there people tours to in the russian incident. yeah we are being greeted with such venom sometimes. what can be done there? at twitter it is particularly complicated we not only have ownership change and the rules changing and the vast majority of employees who used to work at twitter specifically interest and safety whose role it was to protect users and enforce these kinds of anti-hate policies, most of them have been fired. yes numbers have risen on twitter. what we would really like to see is to be explicit about what their anti hate policies are. how they are going to enforce the. let's be very clear. there is no true incentive for this company to do that because

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group is down nine points from 2019 for reading scores are down four points, as well. this comes as students, teachers, and educators continue to grapple with the fallout of how covid-19 severely impacted classrooms all over the world. joining us now senior reporter for propublica alec mcguinness new reporting shedding light on one virginia community that is grappling with this. you are looking at richmond. i'm curious if you could give us the lay of the land there. first of all, how severe is the learning loss? can you characterize that more for us? what are the options they're looking at? >> they're learning loss there was especially severe. in fact they were close the entirety of the 2021 school year the longest closure of the entire state of virginia and the entire country. the school was close for 18 months. they left in march 20th and

come back until september 21. not surprisingly the test courts have fallen even more there than in other cities around the country. there is a pretty strong correlation between the length of closures school building closures between the 21 school year and the extent of the losses. they are aware of this in richmond. they are really very worried about it, as they should be. what they have came up with as a solution is to somehow extend the school year to add instructional time to the year to make up that lost time. a lot of researchers say that is really the best possible solution. trying to add back more time. either into a longer school day which is tricky. a lot of teachers get burnt out at the end of the school day. or into the counter. what they were looking at was somehow shrinking the summer vacation. adding days for at least some students who need it most. that was the big debate that we're having over the past 20 years. >> so school would continue year-round. have they made a decision? it's a debate slowing things

down. >> what happened there is a really drawn out today. a very initial ambitious plan to have the entire city switch to a full your calendar. it was blocked. they ran aground. they have now been left with his two schools that are going to be starting early to schools 1000 kids under 22,000 and richmond will be getting these added 20 days. it will be a variation see what they can do with it the principle that was cool the wreck on how when they try to make this work the students and the students families around this plan and the report that story out and you go out to the sources of the problem if you talk to the teachers or the

teachers union they say backfoot schools were closed way too long. much longer than they needed to. be much longer than the science told us that they needed to be. that caused a lot of what we are seeing now. there definitely is a growing in knowledge meant more than when i first reported on this fear this whole trouble back in the fall 2020. you are seeing more and more people talking about this. i do believe that there still some reluctance to confronted directly. i believe that that is one reason why we are seeing a lack of urgency around the country in dealing with one cannot overstate the extent of the law the researchers looking at this are completely gassed there is a strong link between learning a team in an income the fact that there is not more hands on deck in a lot of time to just deal with this nationwide is worrisome. there is some complacency that

has set in. i believe that one reason for that is there still a reluctance to confront, to reckon with, the initial decisions that led us to this point. -- [interpreter] we are still facing a tremendous problem. we need to do more for. >> i've spoken to those who have been hardest hit. are there certain, whether it be gender income level, races? which communities have really suffered the biggest toll from this learning loss? >> the numbers are so clear. the effect has been so racially disproportionate. we have been closing what we call the achievement gap over the last few decades. very gradually closing. it still remains, of course but we have been shrinking. yet we have been making progress. that was the important. thing this was not a lost cause. that gap has just exploded over the past few years. it has gone so much wider. the researchers look at this gap and they are just stunned

how vega has gotten. it is students like those enrichment in which is a heavily african american district. the students that is the black students that are really suffering the most. it is really heartbreaking. seeing these gains we've made over the years just fade away i heard one researcher african american researcher at a conference talk about the fact that her own son who is hoping to recommit engineer after the school closed for a year and a half and high school, suffered so much in the math progress that when he got to college he felt completely overwhelmed by matt. he dropped out of engineering. we are going to see those personal, direct effects all across the country. millions of kids. >> coming up, actor mark ruffalo joins me on set to discuss his new documentary on the lakota nations fight to reclaim their land. stay with us.

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you guys have no idea how good you've got it. how old are you? like, 80? back in my day, it was scary stories and flashlights. we don't get scared. oh, really? mom can see your search history. that's what i thought. introducing the next generation 10g network. only from xfinity. the new documentary, lakota nation versus the united states explores the site of the lakota people to get back their home. the black hills. joining us now the films co director, laura thomas tally. mark ruffalo and sorry go hard. you might recognize mark ruffalo from his past work --

i will start with you mark. why it was important. what drew you to this project. >> you start to hear the alternative history. there is an alternative that most people in america learn in the books. in the history books. then there is the history of the people who are on the other side of that history. we do not hear from. . i have come to know these people well and to know this history. to feel it is imperative to the spirit of america to hear both sides of the story. this documentary does that. >> tell us about this place. why it matters so much and the story we will learn in this film. >> it is literally called the heart of everything that is by

the lakota. people the video that you saw earlier of the circular hole is actually the place that we believe that we emerge from as buffalo. people that is part of our creation it is everything to us it is something that you cannot imagine. that is why the land is so important. >> laura what was it like delving into such a complex and huge issue? you could have gone in so many different directions with but narrowing it to the scope of what you could have as a film? >> i think it was certainly daunting. when you are looking at over 400 years of history you're trying to make a movie that is two hours. what really unified myself and my co-director jesse shirt pull who unfortunately got stuck in these storms and not here today. we were both intimidated by the weight of doing justice to the history. it felt like especially now

when there was a war on facts and history that this is the right time to tell the story. >> i want to show another clip. here we take a glimpse of how hollywood helped create a racist stereotype of native americans. take a look. >> much of what we have learned about the battle of the plains comes from what we are seeing in hollywood movies. >> we cheer for the white man soldier is the best way to kill people is to dehumanize them to make them into caricaturist. whether it is peter pan, whether it is john fords the searchers, which is considered not just the archetype of western movies, but one of great american films, and this is a classic hollywood trope.

that makes invasion look like self-defense. >> jen? >> sarah, you're pushing a guesses hollywood trope. what is the story that you want to tell about the lakota people. what is it that you want to say about them. >> the importance of really telling this story from the lakota perspective is and we, thank especially if you live in somewhere like south dakota, which is where actually grew up on the reservation, and understanding that our people are very strong. that we had this oral history that we have passed down from generation to generation, and that the fight for the hills is something that we will never stop fighting for. >> well that does it for us. we are back monday at 6 am eastern. have a great rest of your weekend. >> this is the katie phang show, live from msnbc world headquarters in