self-defense. >> jen? >> sarah, you're pushing a guesses hollywood trope. what is the story that you want to tell about the lakota people. what is it that you want to say about them. >> the importance of really telling this story from the lakota perspective is and we, thank especially if you live in somewhere like south dakota, which is where actually grew up on the reservation, and understanding that our people are very strong. that we had this oral history that we have passed down from generation to generation, and that the fight for the hills is something that we will never stop fighting for. >> well that does it for us. we are back monday at 6 am eastern. have a great rest of your weekend. >> this is the katie phang show, live from msnbc world headquarters in new york city.

we have lots of news to cover and questions to answer. and so let's get started. supreme disappointment, the conservative-leaning highest court in the land dishing out serious setbacks to affirmative action, lgbtq+ rights, and millions of americans crushed under student loan duct. we are going in-depth on the real world impacts of these rulings in the future of the supreme court. plus, there is a take. the smoking gun that could be the most damaging evidence yet against the twice impeached, twice in the one term ex president and this is not the only legal trouble for trump this week. we are breaking it all down ahead. and later, let's take a joyride. i talked to the api team behind the movie critics already calling the funniest comedy of the year. all of this and much more coming up. >> and a good saturday morning to you, i am katie phang.

the supreme court wrapped up its turn by rolling out a series of blockbuster decisions. the super conservative 63 majority getting camp formative action and higher education, really at the race conscious admissions programs at harvard the university of north carolina violate the 14th amendment's equal protection clause. justice ketanji brown jackson did not mince words on her dissent, saying quote, deeming race irrelevant in law does not make it so in life. and it's a back for lgbtq+ rights, conservative justices also ruled that they allow a colorado website design or to refuse service for a same-sex couple. and a long awaited decision, score struck down president biden's plan to forgive more than 400 billion dollars in student that. in response, biden asked new initiatives to protect student loan borrowers, including a different path for debt relief through the higher education act. the plan allows education

secretary miguel cardona to quote, compromise waves or release loans under certain circumstances. nbc news supreme court reporter lawrence hurly joins me now. lawrence, good morning, thank you for starting off the show with us. what did these three major decisions mean for everyday americans? >> i think what is clear is that again, the supreme court with his conservative majority is showing that it's willing to use this power and that it can really influence peoples daily lives, and it did so with these cases. i think it's fair to say that the immediate impact is probably felt most in the lone case, because that's one where more than 14 million americans were eligible for this program, and half of those would've had their student don't -- loan debt eliminated had this gone through. so for those people as an immediate impact and also a student loan repayments due to start again soon after being paused during the pandemic,

there was some suggestion that this could have an impact on the economy more broadly because of so many people are affected of course the other rulings that you mentioned also very emotive issues and are going to have broad impacts to. i think on affirmative action, one of the things that we don't know is to what extent colleges are going to be to come up with new admission programs that will allow them to foster diversity in their classes without explicitly considering race in the way that they said was an awful. and so we will have a lot of litigation probably going on, and maybe cases coming back to the supreme court to decide to what extent can you include other factors like social economic diversity, to retain joe assad in the class, but without that consideration of the court, they won't allow. and so the lgbtq case, i think once something worth noting on that is that the court did limit this ruling to certain expressive businesses.

i think it is important is important for people who live with antidiscrimination laws that protect sexual orientation to remember that this does not mean you can be turned away from businesses in your mainstream, in your town. there are certain businesses that have a creative side where you go in and you order a particular creative products that are affected by this. it's not gonna stop people from going into a coffee shop or restaurant. those people cannot be turned away, and so we will still see ripple effects of that, and it's definitely a setback for lgbtq rights, but the impact maybe slightly more limited then it could have been. slightly more limite>> lawrenceu so much for this top lines of the major decisions are getting a start of this morning. joining me now to continue the important conversation on affirmative action is at leaking mystal. justice correspondent at the nation, host of the new podcast and author of, allow me to

retort, a black guys guide to the constitution. elie, to my friend, in response the chief justices majority opinion, you wrote in the nation quote, his opinion attempts to capture the 14th amendment and redeploy to justify a white version of color blindness that just so happens to lock in a status quo that benefits whites. why is the majority's invocation of the 14th amendment equal protection clause such a insults here? >> yeah, because the 14th amendment passed after the civil war, after we fought a whole war to charge in slavery in this country was not passed, and so forestry blues white kids could lucky in the college. that was not the point the 14th amendment. the 14th amendment was passed explicitly to redress racial strife in the past. in fact, the authors of the 14th amendment and legal nerds will note that i am making a originalist argument right now, the authors of the 14th amendment passed the 14th

amendment specifically said they could do things like pass the 18th 66 civil rights act, the ku klux klan act as it was known. they weren't sure that they had constitutional authorization to pass the civil rights act, which included policies like affirmative action during reconstruction. they weren't sure they have the constitutional authority to pass this act without the ratification of the 14th amendment. they updated the 14th amendment cannot be weaponized against the very people who it was designed to help is a anathema to me and one of the many problems with john roberts's majority opinion. >> but ali, justice roberts also writes quote, nothing that is opinion should prevent universities from considering a applicants discussion of how race affected his or her life, be it through discrimination, inspiration, or otherwise. but let's speak frankly, as we always do. doesn't the still allow for race to be a factor in the admissions process? >> you see, there is a thing.

roberts is saying that you can still consider diversity, but it's also taking away the tools that universities used to consider diversity. that is not just me saying that. that is the opinion of multiple people who work at universities where affirmative action has already been taken away, and states that have already burned affirmative action lie telephony and michigan. university officials submit briefs to the court saying, this is what we need. that we tried to do it without affirmative action, and it doesn't work the same way. so roberts is essentially saying, yeah, you can still drink, i'm just going to take away all of the water. good luck. again, it is part of the insult of the decision. he is trying to do it for a press, basically, but on the ground he's taking away the practical tool. i just want to say one thing, katie. the idea that now is a black student you have got to waste time and your war delimited college essay explaining to admissions counselors how racism works in the country

because john roberts says, that's not just part of your job, is again insulting. black kids across the country got other things they want to talk about in their college essays other than explaining to admissions counselors of racism works in their life. >> elie, we have to talk about ed bloom, who helped bring this lawsuit by students for fair admissions. he is a white guy, for people who do not know this. why is it so important for ed bloom to get a group of aapi students to serve as the plaintiffs in these two lawsuits? aintiffs in thes>> because whene supremacists co-opt your argument, you lose. look, i believe, i think, i have written that i think harvard discriminates in certain ways because the aapi community. if you just look at the facts of the case, and one of the ways that we saw as the harvard uses something like a personal rating, which is a amalgam of guidance cost slurs and teacher recommendations letters, and aapi scores scored later --

lower on that for some reason. but the supreme court did not take away that the rating can also use the personal rating which was actually shown to discriminate against api students. another way they're discriminated against. colleges to geographical starting. they want 18 kids from san francisco and five kids from iowa. that might sound fair, but if you're an api student, you're most likely living in san francisco. aapi kids are clustered on the coast of this country. when you have 18 kids in san francisco, you are putting a lot of asian americans fighting with each other for like two nuts. you go out to iowa, that is going to disproportionately favor white kids. you put in five kids from montana, that's gonna disproportionately favor white kids. but the supreme court did not ban geographic sorting and the college admissions, did it? no. the only banned racial consciousness in college admissions. the one thing that the trial court, the finder of facts in

our legal institutions, said it was not hurting api students. that is a problem with letting white people like ed takeover arguments. you lose. the thing that you could've won? you lost. and instead, you end up with a decision that is only way to help the mediocre white kids that ed bloom has been trying to help his entire career. >> and you're also doing the model minority myth wedge of the arp community to try and divide and conquer the minority groups that exist in our colors and our community of colors. elie mystal thank you so much for your insight. as always we will have you back asap to be able to talk a little bit more. >> thank you so much. >> breaking overnight in france, police arrested more than 1300 protesters as violent riots continue for a fourth night over the killing of a 17-year-old youth of algerian descent. officers fatally shot the teen during a traffic check. despite a plea by president emmanuel macron, urging parents to keep the children at home,

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have, especially black students, especially intersectionally marginalized communities will have a seat at the table and redesigning emissions and that could include taking away legacy and donor admissions and other things that give unfair advantages to communities of privilege.

>> families whose lose the support of sending students to college, and communities will lose role models. people that can show us that we can exist in spaces that were meant to keep us out. >> those were students reacting to the supreme court's landmark decision that effectively puts a end to affirmative action and public and private colleges. and the ruling is already having a domino effect. historically black colleges and universities are bracing for a influx of applicants as the changing landscape of college admissions takes shape. joining me now is dr. wayne -- wayne a. i. frederick the 70 president of howard university. he's also a president of surgery at howard university's college of medicine. dr. frederik, at the mountains have you on the show. out of the gate, i want to get your initial reaction to the supreme court's affirmative action ruling. >> very disappointing. i think it's going to devastate the opportunities for minority populations and more importantly it is going to hurt the pipeline for well

underrepresented field such as medicine, law, dentistry, where especially medicine and dentistry, we have a crisis in america. in 1978, we had less black man, we have more plaquemine in medical schools in 1978 that we did in 2015, and so we already have a crisis on our hands, and i think this is going to further that crisis. >> you know hbcus maybe anticipating a increase of applicants dr., but they also remain chronically underfunded as educational institutions. did howard university already prepare for the possibility of this outcome? >> you know it's interesting, because over the past year we've been making plans to try to expand our presence in the health sciences field. we only take 126 medical students every year, and this year, we take 130. we received over 8500 applications. we have a desire to try and double our medical school, but the resources that are needed are only on the order of about a seven and a half billion dollar endowment to do that. our current dormant for the

entire university, not just a medical school, is just under a billion as it compares to harvard with over 52 billion i believe, and then you look at a pipeline point of view, we send more african americans to medical school than anyone else and we also sent more african americans from our undergrad programs to stampede these. we set more in the past two decades that stand for it mighty harvard and yale the combined moment at those schools as 160 million. getting more applications is not necessarily going to be desirable if we don't have the funding to take most of us. >> and let's take a look, dr. frederik, at states like california for example. it's one of about nine states where affirmative action is banned. back in 1998, california voted to ban affirmative action. when it happened, diversity plummeted. the associate vice chancellor of dei at you -- ucla said it is taken 25 years of experimentation through race neutral policies to make up

that deficiency in numbers. iency in numbe rsso as a university president, howard colleges and universities going to rework their admissions policies to be in compliance with this ruling but still be able to achieve the kind of diverse campus communities that we need. >> it's actually going to be very difficult, because if you cannot use race, to have a student is asa two explain as justice roberts points out in his opinion, explain how race has impacted them, i actually think that in of itself is -- because you are asking the students to defend the existence of racism that they have experienced when they should be talking about the excellence that they have achieved in the aspirations that they have and coming to college. and so you're actually putting an undue belief on the students. i think it's going to be very difficult, and i think every time that we come up with a methodology to do it, it will be challenged with a lawsuit, and i think that's unfortunate.

>> and that is going to mean years of litigation, expenses that are unnecessary for universities and colleges they could be used for other things in the budget. kind of staying on this point, dr. frederik, do you think that universities are actually going to abandon standardized testing scores, which are also historically being overvalued but not actually accounting for the under service of certain types of minorities and communities, and maybe the scene of her cities and colleges are now going to focus more on personal essays which you speak up, which are going to be time consuming and maybe wasting very valuable real estate in these essays to be able to explain things that they should not have to explain in terms of their backgrounds. >> yes. i think that is one area that we are going to have a challenge. the other areas that you see it with state is a two shuns. state institutions that are chronically underfunded, so major flagship state institutions that are chronically underfunded who taken other state students to bring it more refugees, because

those students are charged more et cetera, they tend to use [inaudible] as a surrogate for wealth and to try to attract and increase the amount of students that they are taking and by taking this. and that can happen, which can result in martialized do this from underserved minority populations if you start using things. and i think all of those surrogates in the school district zip codes, all of those are going to begin to impact what we see in terms of the population. it can marginalize the number of underrepresented minorities in this classic, and the other shoes that is going to happen is that once you have that happening at the undergraduate level, you will worsen what is already a crisis at a professional level, and so i think that is going to be an issue. and on the issue of the essay, and even in terms of resources, you have to remember that the first time in college, students do not have the same resources. they do not have the same types of counselors. they don't have the same mentors, even in their homes,

they don't have parents who may have attended college, and therefore their ability to write asa as's is already compromised, another true infection of the intelligence. and to put real estate into the funding there. >> dr. wayne a.i. frederick, president of howard university, i appreciate your time sharing us this insight this morning. coming up, special counsel jack smith is reportedly continuing his classified documents investigation of donald trump despite the fact that trump has already been indicted. we will explain after the break. plus later, what impact will this week's supreme court decisions have when voters head to the polls. you are watching the katie phang show. phang show business internet. they have business grade internet, nationwide. (vo) make the switch. it's your business. it's your verizon.

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joining me now, joyce vance, msnbc legal analyst and former u.s. attorney. professor at the university of alabama school of law and the co-host of hashtag sisters in law podcast. joyce, your thoughts on the legal success of trump's most recent iteration of a defense. i should probably put defense and quotes. i'm calling it it was just bravado defense. >> right, so when you promote your own defense by saying that you are lying, because that's what bravado is, it is lying. trump's, and essence, putting another nail on his own coffin here, katie. >> so joyce, the new york times is reporting that weeks after trump's federal indictment, the investigation is still continuing with subpoenas being issued from that miami-based grand jury. is it normal to see more subpoenas being outed like this after a indictment has been issued, and can we expect to maybe see a superseding indictment with more charges? >> right. i think that's where this could

be headed. you are not permitted to continue to investigate the charges that you have indicted after you have brought a indictment. you have to be investigating either additional charges, different charges, or perhaps more counts of retention of documents or additional defendants. both of those options are live here. i think there are a couple of intriguing possibilities. one is that there could have been some effort to obstruct justice as the indictment was being brought forward or after it was brought forward. for instance, if someone tried to interfere with a witness then that is something that prosecutors could use this grand jury to take a look at. but there is also this unfinished business in the indictment that we have red. it is incredibly detailed. there is one incident where trump shares a document to someone in bedminster, in new jersey. well how did that document get there, it was that part of a deliberate act of obstruction? effort to remove those boxes from miami to new jersey before

prosecutors could take a further look at what trump had in his possession. the indictment intimates that that is the case, but there are not a lot of details, it's that could be forthcoming. >> you know joyce, i'm glad you bring up bedminster, because we talked about this, you are not off line. why isn't that we have not seen something affirmatively for jack smith as special counsel vis-à-vis bedminster? there are so many ties that bind donald trump to purported criminal activity occurring at bedminster, and there's a lot of open-ended questions that i think could be answered by maybe a search warrant being executed at bedminster. maybe a grand jury in new jersey being convened to look at a criminal conduct by donald trump. >> so first off i would say that it's possible that there could be a grand jury in new jersey that we are not aware of. that is how grand jury is typically work. we do not know about the grand jury in miami until what, a week or ten days before there was a indictment. but the question that you have put forward here katie, that i think a lot of people have

asked, is why no search warrant at bedminster? typically, you have to have -- you always have to have probable cause to get a search warrant, and you don't always have to have probable cause. it has to be fresh. that means that the judge has to be satisfied before she signs off on the search warrant, that there's reason to believe that there's evidence, and that it is there now. in a drug case, with drugs that move pretty quickly, that could be a matter of days or weeks. with documents, the courts give you more leeway. they tend to stick around for a little bit longer, but the conversation that is discussed at bedminster in the indictment, that is back in july of 21. jack smith does not become special counsel until november of 2022. that would be a little bit long, and i don't think that a judge would issue a search warrant. that could explain that situation, or prosecutors may soon be trying to build the case and get their.

one thing that we do know is that if they have had probable cause, they likely would've jumped the search because the government wants these documents back. they are very, very important documents. i think it's unlikely doj in the fbi, even with the reporting that we have seen that the fbi was hesitant to search at mar-a-lago. at that point in the case, they would've won the documents back and they would have gone after them. >> i have about 20 seconds, joyce. i know i always ask you this question, and i don't say it ingest because obviously he is now looking down the barrel, of at least two indictments. do you think we could be looking at a fulton county indictment coming down in the next few weeks that is going to come before any special counsel federal indictment? >> so katie, you know as well as i did the prosecutors like to keep their turf and top. i think both of these prosecutors, fani willis in fulton county georgia, and jack smith for doj would like to go first. you want to be the first one to get your charges in and have that claim that your case

should go ahead the most quickly. the reality is they won't be able to indict until their councils are ready. that is when we will see indictments from both of these fine prosecutors. >> i'm still going for that fulton county d.a. indictment imminently. tiktok tiktok, joyce vance, thank you for joining us today. i always appreciate you. >> thank you katie. >> coming up, several republican candidates tracking into philly for the controversial moms for liberty national summit. what they have to say for that group but the southern poverty law center has now labeled a extremist far-right organization. we will talk about it after this break. this break just swipe and it lasts all day. secret helps eliminate odor, instead of just masking it. and hours later, i still smell fresh. secret works! ohhh yesss. ♪♪

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it's no surprise, some candidates already reacted joyfully to the supreme court's rulings on affirmative action, lgbtq protections, and student loans. >> can i just say, god bless the supreme court. but the affirmative action is really important. and the reason it is important is because the liberals continue to try and put minorities down. >> we saw yesterday the supreme court uphold the constitution and say no racial discrimination and college admissions. and florida, that has been our law, and so we did not allow it, and so it is not going to impact us. we are color blind admissions. >> it is the pandering, for me. joining me now, former florida congressman david jolly, msnbc political analyst and no longer a member of the republican party. also joining us is danielle moodie, host of woke af daily. and co-host of democracy-ish

podcast. my friends, it's always good to have you here for it saturday political panel. david, i want to start with you. your reaction to republican candidates celebrating the supreme court's ruling effectively ending affirmative action while polls show that most americans support affirmative action. so in the long run, is this really a winning strategy with voters? >> no, i think you're seeing a republican primary dynamics play out between the presidential candidates, but they're reflecting some core beliefs and dogma within today's republican party. they embrace this idea of race neutral admissions or race neutral district minds. this whole race neutral idea. but that exposes though is there lack of willing to engage in policies, because they will also tell you that they believe in equality of opportunity. but the notion of equality of opportunity is the greatest quality for policy changes in anything in our politics today, but republican politics completely nor that. i think they are also going to overreach on this decision.

i think the line by justice roberts at the end saying that universities can consider ones experience with race, i actually think it allows some qualitative use of race when it comes to admissions decisions. republicans will misrepresent that. but i think that it is an opportunity for democrats to say hey, if we have the keys to legislating, we are going to try to legislate around that line that justice roberts gave us. >> you know daniel, obviously did this decision coming out of supreme court. they dismiss him see poll showing the supreme court remains unpopular. do you think that the state of release will actually make the court a defining issue for voters at the polls despite the fundamental reality that most of these current justices with these lifetime appointed that they have will likely be sitting in the seats for years to come? >> well here's the thing. the courts have always been an important issue for the republican party. the question is will it now become an important issue for democrats. because in 2016, hillary clinton tweeted and said that if you allow republicans to become president of united

states, many don trump, then they are going to appoint a right-wing justices that are going to take our rights away. and so she said exactly what it is the donald trump and mitch mcconnell were able to do, and look, we have to remember that mitch mcconnell stole the supreme court seat. that is the one that neil gorsuch is sitting in, that barack obama had the ability to be able to appoint a justice to, and then you have these other two justices that were appointed by donald trump as well. and so when we look at this, this is a major issue, because what this court has done is real away civil rights that have been fought for over the last five decades. stwhere they are legislating lae race neutral, and did not live in the america that the rest of us live in? because it's anything but. >> they are kind of hermetically sealed in the chambers. david, the gop 2024 candidates appearing at that convention in philadelphia for that conservative group, moms for liberty. which has been designated a extremist group by the southern poverty law center, even including a recent tweet

quoting hitler does not help their cause much. maga lost big in the midterms. so how does courting moms for liberty makes sense for these candidates? >> republicans think that comparing a new education agenda is going to work for them. but in a general election, what we've learned is that they're woefully out of touch. as a matter of style trump, rhonda santas, or somebody else. moms for liberty is one of the most powerful groups in today's republican party, but being powerful does not mean that you are right because what they are actually espousing with marginalized groups with science and truth in history from our classrooms, they're trying to re-write curriculum and i think most general election voters recognize the nuance in the sensitivity around that. when moss for the body say, i don't compare with my government, while your government is not there to co-chair, you're governments to make sure that all parents have the right to lift up their kids in an environment that is equitable and provides equity for the life that they choose. that is not what moms for the be stand for. the powerful today's republican

party, but they're going to be an incorrect republican nominee in november. >> danielle, let's take a really quick listen to what donald trump said yesterday while at that moms for liberty for event. >> i want to move our education system back to the states. >> on day one, i will sign a new executive order to cut federal funding for any school pushing critical race jury, transgender -- and other inappropriate racial, sexual, and political content for our children. >> danielle, is donald trump trying to out-desantis desantis here? >> yes, he is. because desantis found who his bogeyman is, intimidated the transgender community and the lgbtq community. then of trump, if you remember, had made it mexicans and muslim americans and black americans and everyone else. and so they've all picked who their bogeyman is, and that is what they are going to campaign on. and it's really unfortunate. but the reality is this that

outside of their bubble, exactly what david, said their policies are not popular because a majority americans want to live in the multi racial democracy. >> it's not even the policies are popular, they don't have policies let's call it for what it is. there are really no policies. it just rhetoric. former congressman david jolly, danielle moodie, my saturday morning power political panel, thank you for being here. and coming up next, my conversation with the rock star apiary team between the highly anticipated movie joy ride. that is after a quick break. a quick break. ♪♪ voltaren. the joy of movement. ♪♪

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highly anticipated summer comedy joyride. earlier this week, i got a chance to speak with some of the incredible asian american woman behind this groundbreaking new movie. groundbreakijoining me now, thee team behind the new movie joy ride. director adele lim and the rioters cherry chevapravatdumrong and teresa hsiao. cherry, teresa, and adel. listen, i threw the script out literally for the segment because i didn't think any of the questions, and i thought about asking you guys what would do it justice. i got to see a special screener of this and i have been praying for the release date of july 7th to come around, because i have been muzzled about talking about it in one of the talk about it. so i'm going to start the story out of the gate. this movie is not only darn funny, but it is raunchy too. the reason i find it to be so intriguing is because in the tropical stereotypical asian american female kind of genre, it is more joy club, not joy

ride. so cherry, why make it so outrageous and out there? >> well for better or for worse, this is just our sensibility. we are discussing and this was just the comedy that came out of us. this was a tone at no point did we ever consider making this anywhere near pg-13. it was going to be our rated all the way because that's just the stuff that our brands think of when we are writing. >> i mean go get it and go home. >> yeah, we want to make a movie that we want to see as kids, or maybe not kids, but movie like teenagers. >> kids these days. >> kids these days, exactly. and we are a little bit gross and we wanted to make a movie about our gross friends. >> that totally works. adele, listen, i have to ask you the following. you ended up having this amazing cast of all asian american women. you also ended up having asian american men. this is the true representation movie for the aapi community. tell us a little bit about why

you felt like it was so important, putting aside your friendship, and we're brightview to this too. from cherry or teresa. why wasn't so important for you to do this movie? >> as teresa said, it just came from a place of joy for us in happens to have all of these amazing asian american faces because, look at us. and i think for all of us coming up writing on television, we've had to write for other people and other faces for most of our careers, and this was just came from purely a place of joy where we got to center our stories and our faces, and also our friends are hilariously in insanely talented and it was great to be able to abs platform for them. >> so cherry, this movie, and i'm not kidding when i say it made me cry out of laughter. it made me cry actually emotionally, and we're not gonna do any spoilers whatsoever, but there is a plot twist that is just like -- did you feel like it was

critical to incorporate as much of you, your experiences, trying to be completely assimilated as an asian american little girl and then growing up in the united states. do you think it's important to kind of tell that story as you and teresa were writing? it >> yes and no basically. it was something that came out of us naturally on the beside, now that it's all over, now that we filmed it and now that we've been able to hear people's reactions to it, that is something that we are thinking about, but when we were thinking about it, we were basically just writing about ourselves. we're both from small towns where we did not have many other asian people growing up with us, and it was really taking that very personal story and giving that personal story to our characters audrey and low low and giving them that friendship. that we were aiming for the beginning. and then the fact that yeah, it is such a lot of other people because they see themselves, they see their old childhood and what we went through, that has been a nice after effect. >> and teresa, it's not just relatability though for people that are watching from the aapi

community. we're talking about relatability of trying to fit in, i'm trying to assimilate, i'm going to a community where i am different, but i find maybe who i think is another kind of soul mate. >> yeah, exactly. it's a movie. we are all friends, the three of us are all friends, it's a movie about friendship at the end of the day. it is a movie that we got to make as friends. and honestly, everyone has a friend who is like the responsible one. the one who you are like, okay, we audrey. you have irresponsible friend, and then there is also the friend that is a little bit messy. how did those two best friends change as you grow up. it's like yeah, friendships to change. they do involve and sometimes there are those conflicts between friends where you are like, oh, i don't know if the same friend that you had when you are six years old is going to be the same that you have when you are 30. >> true. adele, we see the people in front of the camera all of the time. they are fantastically talented, but then we barely get the opportunity to speak to you, to theresa, and to cherry.

and i wanted to talk to you about how you feel hollywood has really made that progressive move towards realizing that there is an incredible amount of talent in the api community not only in front of the camera behind the camera. >> you know i think for us, first of all, somebody else has told our story, and we are writers. we are not used to being in front of the camera. you put the camera on us and we are like oh god, we have hands, we are not professionals like that. but i think it was important for a lot of us to step up, because even if we are in the limelight, it is important for the next generation to see that there are rioters that look like, you directors that look like, you producers who look like you. that this is a space you can and should have. because without all of the people behind the camera making decisions, the gatekeepers, our stories would not get the kind of allyship and support that we want. of allyship and su>> i have 30 . to you. your parents, have your parents. folks when i tell you that this

is a wild, amazing movie. have your parents seen this movie? >> they have. >> and? >> they just did. and you know what, we are going to say thumbs up? we were scared. we were definitely warning are parents like mom and dad, sorry, this movie is very very hard are rated. you may see some things that offend you. you may see something that you don't like. i'm going to bring shame upon the family? maybe. but they liked it. i think that we oversell that to both of our parents. after they saw the movie they were like, that wasn't bad, why are you so worried? and we were like our parents way cooler than we thought? it's very possible, yeah. >> the sequel. the sequel will have to go harder. >> yeah. >> i have not taken my mother to see the movie. she was a little afraid i didn't take her but i was like mom, you cannot see. >> maybe you should worry. maybe mom will be totally cool with everything. >> i have to explain my mom what is going on in this movie. so you'd be like, how do you

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