but at the supreme court, i mean, there is extremely little transparency and extremely little oversight, and very few rules on things like what gifts they can accept. and that is a stark contrast from the rest of the federal government. >> yeah, a lot more investigative reporting had, i suggest, right, josh? josh kaplan and michael walden, thank you both very much. well, that does it for me, folks. thanks for watching. i'm back again tomorrow morning, filling in for my good friend, ali velshi. stay right where you are because alex witt reports starts right now. t report starts right now >> a very good day to all of you from the tom brokaw new center here in los angeles. welcome, everyone, to alex witt reports. developing for you this hour, the impact of a series of sweeping 6 to 3 ruling from the

supreme court being now felt across the country. this weekend, the conservative leaning high court, dealing a blow to lgbtq rights, while also striking down affirmative action at colleges, as well as killing president biden's student loan forgiveness plan. so, as a result, young americans telling msnbc, their faith in the court is shaken. >> i don't have a lot of confidence in the supreme court right now. i felt that for quite some time. >> it's just, all of it is infuriating in that the supreme court will just decide, well, yeah, this does not work and, you know, just no regard for the actual lived experience of people and what this is going to do to people. i am livid. >> meanwhile, a trump supporter who stormed the capitol on january 6th had two guns and 400 rounds of ammo in his van when he was arrested near former president barack obama's home. nbc news reports, taylor

toronto showed up at obama's residence thursday, after former president trump posted screenshots on his truth social that featured a purported address for obama's home in washington. toronto will have a detention hearing on wednesday. also new today, an attorney for hunter biden pushing back against irs whistleblower claims. abby lowell, sending a letter to republican ways and means committee chair saying, reported screenshots of a text message from hunter biden, to a potential chinese business partner, where he refers to joe biden, are, quote, not real and contain myriad of issues. the white house and justice department have denied the whistleblower's claims about meddling in the investigation into hunter biden. and former president donald trump is rallying in south carolina this afternoon. trump will speak in first at the south voters, as he faces growing legal pressure in multiple criminal cases. of course, he will speak to those voters. more on that all later, but first, the latest reaction and analysis on those final decisions of the supreme court's term.

let's go right now to nbc's marissa power in washington, d.c.. and nbc news supreme court reporter, lawrence hurly. welcome to you both. marissa, i will begin with you here. what are you hearing from people about these two pivotal decisions that came out on friday? >> yeah, i mean, it's been a busy couple of days here in washington, d.c.. we've had a chance to speak to a number of people. obviously, this is fourth of july weekend, there are a lot of people out and about here on the national wall, and there are two big scotus decisions that i've been asking people about. i will start first with the one that came out of colorado. i don't know how familiar you are with the web designer case, but this is something that, you know, they are obviously very differing opinions on the reaction, when it comes to the decision on that one. so, we have the plaintiff at the center of that, i had a chance to speak with her. she is obviously thrilled with the decision that the supreme court, where that majority opinion was in her favor. but then there was a lot of disappointment from the lgbtq community, who feel like this is yet another blow during a time when they already feel like their community is under attack.

now, the other big, pivotal decision with student loan debt, and there are a lot of opinions, alex, as you are about to hear in just a moment, many of them, very different and opposing from each other. >> i think it was done and implemented very poorly, to begin with. i think that there should be some form of program in place to, like, potentially cap the amount of debt you have to pay back, but i think, like, it should've been done through congress, through some form of proposal that was not so easily surmount. >> obviously, i'm very disappointed because, i mean, as someone who's fully paying for their college on their own, like, it's very hard and so, i mean, i was very disappointed, but i'm glad to hear that he's making progress and still trying to, like, do something about it. but it was a let down. >> so, just to recap, president

biden had made plans, he had hopes of canceling upwards of $20,000 of student loan debt for upwards of 40 million borrowers. and obviously, that plan is no longer one that is remaining a hopeful one for people here. the u.s. department of education says, the student loan interest will resume in september and those payments will be due again in october. alex? >> oh boy, buckle up for that. okay, marissa, thank you for that. let's go to you, lawrence, because in an article published this morning, you write, the affirmative action decisions sparked fierce debate on the bench over an issue raised into other cases that justices recently ruled on. so, tell us, what were those cases? and how did they impact the affirmative action ruling? >> yeah, as you saw in the affirmative action ruling, two black justices on the court, clarence thomas and ketanji brown jackson, had this very fierce exchange about their views of how the constitution should deal with claims to do with race and especially any

kind of racial preference, as you might call it. and clarence thomas is a conservative on the court, he's long been against such approaches to the law and ketanji brown jackson has a completely different approach to that. and so, that was at the core of the affirmative action cases they struck down the admissions programs at those colleges. but then the two other cases kind of was not exactly the same legal argument, but it was about conservative efforts to push it kind of race neutral version of the law, which it seemed like would get a good reception at the supreme court with his conservative majority. but, in fact, those cases did not go that way. the court rejected an attempt to further weaken the voting rights act that prevents minority voters by adopting an argument that would limit the consideration of race in those kind of cases, and be distracting. then the court also turned away a challenge to the indian child welfare act, which includes a provision that conservatives have said is basically a racial

preference. so, it showed that although on affirmative action, the conservative majority was willing to kind of go all the way, they were not quite willing to do that in those other cases. >> okay, i thank you for ironing that out for us. appreciate you as well, lawrence hurly. let's talk right now with new york congressman, jamal bowman, a democratic member of house education and labor committee. welcome, it's nice to see you again for the broadcast year. so, president biden, as you know, has vowed to find some other ways to try to offer relief to student loan borrowers. let's take a listen to some of those new actions, here it is. >> we will ground this new approach in a different lot that than my original plan. this so-called higher education act. that will allow secretary cardona, who is with me today, to compromise, we've, or release loans under certain circumstances. this new path is legally sound, it's going to take longer, but in my view, it's the best path that remains to --

many borrowers as possible. >> okay, he thinks it's legally sound, but it's going to take longer and you have heard it ironed out by lawrence. just for seeing you, these payments are going to start back in september. we know some of these kids who are trying to pay back loans, they're moving back into their parents homes, they are trying to scrounge, you know, robbing peter to pay paul, so to speak. trying to figure out how they will manage these payments. so, give me your message to borrowers as these payments are set to resume, and can the presidents next steps offer the kind of loan forgiveness that you're hoping for? >> so, i will take the second question first. my hope is, yes, i hope, very strongly, that the president's next steps does what is necessary to cancel student debt. a large portion of student debt in this country. i need to learn more about this new pathway that the president is speaking of, but i'm very hopeful that that would be something that would work for

borrowers across the country. in terms of what is at stake to those who are ready to resume, or are about to resume their student debt payments, i'm honestly speechless, at this point, because i understand, very personally, the impact of predatory lenders and the struggle it takes to pay back not just your student loans, but we are talking about rent, mortgage, transportation, childcare, and so many other aspects of life, where people struggle to afford to live. i mean, the problem is, our capital system is broken from top to bottom. we have a system that has been exploitative, has been predatory. people are under employed, they are not earning enough money to pay their bills. that is something that is unacceptable and what we continue to see is, we let corporations, we let the wealthy off the hook, but we do not stand up and protect borrowers, even during a

national emergency which was the global pandemic. so, you know, there's a lot of frustration right now, not just from me as a borrower, but from my constituents across my district. >> and beyond what i just said, you know, kids having to move back home with their parents, i mean, how big an impact is this ruling going to have? >> well, again, it's tremendous, right? so, we have an economic system where wealth is concentrated at the top, the majority of american people cannot respond to a 400 dollar financial emergency. i mentioned under employment, unemployment is still a problem. and so, you have the most vulnerable people in our country who took out student loans without being fully informed as to how they work, expecting to get good jobs when he graduated, who are now not able to pay back their debt. they will not go forward in buying a mortgage and buying a

home. they will not go forward in starting a family. they will not engage in transportation. they will not invest in our stock market, you know? these are the things that make the american economy thrive and great for all people. but unfortunately, we do not have an economy that works for all people, and that's the problem. >> there was another big one this week with the supreme court striking down affirmative action programs. this at the university of clark carolina, as well as at harvard. the court ruled that both programs violate the constitution's equal protection clause. in her u.n.c. case dissent, justice ketanji brown jackson said, beaming race irrelevant in law does not make it so in life do you, sir, trust the colleges will continue to offer educational opportunity to a racially diverse student body? and what happens if many don't? >> i don't because explicit racism and implicit bias still exist throughout all aspects of

american life, and it exists in our higher education institutions, which is why affirmative action was needed in the first place. what's very troubling about this decision is we are not allowing universities to take race into account, with regard to admissions, we are allowing them to continue a legacy admissions process that disproportionately supports the wealthy and white individuals. and that is why we have a bill to cancel legacy admissions at all higher education institutions, because america is about a democracy, which means the playing field should be equitable and even for everyone. and that is not the case. and i've said this the other day, you have people from historically marginalized communities, communities of color, and african american communities, who do not even see college as an option, beginning as young as, like, second grade for their children. and that is the problem. we are making decisions now,

the supreme court, a conservative republicans in congress, as well, to create a permanent underclass in america that feeds a prison industrial complex and, quite frankly, feeds a lot of the gun violence and -- -- violence that we see in our streets, when you put people in positions of desperation and poverty. d>> got, as a mom, i hate thought of apparent having to think second grade, there is going to be a ceiling for how high my child can ever get in life potentially. that is just wrong. let me ask you about the footnote to the majority opinion though, chief justice john roberts saying that it will not apply now to the nation's military academies. tell me how you interpret the exemption? >> once again, discriminatory, but once again leaning in favor of our military industrial complex, and what it does is it values those who you know are supportive of going to war and

conflict, which we have to really assess art industrial complex and the money that we spend there and compare it to how we invest in education overall and not just higher education, but k to 12. and so this is another example of the court responding in a far-right conservative manner. this is why elections matter everyone, elections matter. donald trump chose the supreme court justices. there are so many people, tens of millions who still do not vote consistently in elections. in 2025, we have to get out at home not for the president, but we also have to vote for them and we have to flip the house and so that we can continue to grow and evolve into the democracy that we are supposed to be. >> let me ask you quickly for a yes or no answer. a lot of lawmakers are calling for a expansion of the supreme court. do you think the president

should do that? >> yes. expand supreme court. we need supreme court ethics reform, and we turn limits. but we need democracy overall which also includes ending the filibuster. >> okay, a little more than a yes or no, but i'm glad for the prospective jamal bowman. thank you again. coming up next, who is to blame for the afghanistan pull out? a new report is pointing fingers and we are back in 60 seconds. seconds. but we ended up using three times as much and the clothes still weren't as clean as with tide. so we're back with tide, and the clothes are clean again. do 3x the laundry and get a tide clean. it's got to be tide. (vo) this is sadie, she's on verizon. the network she can count on. and get a tide clean. and now she's got myplan, the game-changing new plan that lets her pick exactly what she wants and save on every perk. sadie is getting her plan ready for a big trip. travel pass, on. nice iphone. cute couple. trips don't last forever, neither does summer love. so, sadie is moving on. apple music, check! introducing myplan.

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the withdrawal? >> remember what i said about afghanistan? i said al-qaeda would not be there. i said they would not be there. i said we would get help from the taliban. what is happening now? what is going on? regional press. i was right. >> 13 u.s. troops and 170 afghans died in the suicide attack at the kabul airport as chaotic scenes erupted there in the days before america's full evacuation. joining me now, peter baker new york times chief white house correspondent and msnbc political analyst and a really good friend here. good to see you. i'm going to ask you for some context on this review in just a moment, but first a question. your biggest takeaways from this report, how do you read it? >> the takeaway for the report is actually different than the question the president biden was answering their. he was asked about the support but chose to answer about the policy, the decision to withdraw. this report is about how it was executed. it was about how ill prepared

the state department was under both trump and president biden for the withdrawal. how much they miscalculated the potential for a quick taliban takeover, and the costs of that to our afghan allies who were left behind. winston says that the press availability yesterday, i was right, he is referring to the decision to get out. not referring to the execution, and if he is, he would be at odds with his own state department. >> okay. so this report, peter, does it consider any actions that could've been taken that would've prevented the death of those 13 u.s. troops. and i know in the briefing afterwards, someone asked why no one has been held accountable. >> yeah, that's exactly. white with this report makes clear is that the state department and frankly the government writ large did not fully appreciate how quickly they would lose control once they began to pull out. did not prepare nearly enough in advance for the massive

withdraw that they would be undertaking in terms of afghans who helped the united states government. did not have categories to find about who would get that help, and did not imagine the worst-case scenario. did not play the worst versions of events in advance and not be prepared for that. it is a pretty damning report. it does not single out any individuals, and so there is no accountability as you just said to any specific officials. this was conducted by the state department, and not by an independent agency in that sense. but you can basically, what the reporter saying is that the system writ large did not work. >> i said that i would ask you about timing. so if they could have leaned into blaming the prior ministration with a greater conviction, might we have seen this report before late on a friday of a extra long holiday weekend? >> you're right. a good point about the timing. you do it on a friday night before the july 4th weekend is a way of minimizing attention to it, absolutely. that is a tried and true

technique in washington. i think it's because no matter how much the biden ministration wants to illegitimately can point to decisions made by the trump administration as being contributors to the disasters withdraw, they know that they own it politically, because they were the ones who conducted it at the end of the day. they were the ones who watch it took place, and they're the ones who will end up having the political responsibilities for it. so in their view i think, i'm just guessing here because this wasn't said to me, but putting it out on friday afternoon as their way of keeping attention to it minimally, because they know it's one of the worst moments of the biden presidency so far. >> yeah, absolutely. okay my friend, i'd like you to stick around please because i have more questions about donald trump's handling, mishandling of classified documents in just a few minutes. we will see you in a moment. >> first though, storms, smoke and heat. dangerous conditions across parts of this country and how they are complicating holiday plans. we are back shortly. tourists taking photos that are analyzed by ai.

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travelers are on the move this fourth of july weekend but severe storms may slow things down this coast to coast. 43 million americans are expected to drive. that is up from last year. the tsa expects to screen 17.7 million flyers, but today alone, flightaware reports more than 100 cancellations with chicago o'hare being the worst of it at this point. all of this has the oppressive heat waves scorching the south and desert southwest is

expected to last through independence day, and the great lakes and northeast will experience poor air quality from wildfire smoke and ozone, and that is a mess as we're looking at new york city. joining me now, nbc news meteorologist and she laughs when. angie, welcome. tell us about the severe weather throughout this holiday weekend and how it may play out for travel. >> so we have a couple of things that we are watching. the first being the heat that you mentioned, alex. still 60 million people and it does focus for the south now southwest, and folks that are going to be doing outdoor activities strenuous activities especially, spending long periods of time outdoors for the next couple of days, you are really going to want to find some time to take some breaks, drink a little extra water, because look at these temperatures up and down parts of california. we're looking at 1:12 this afternoon in redding. 107 for sacramento. some of these numbers are the warmest that it has been so far this year in california. we set some records in a couple spots, including palm springs. fresno heads to 106 by monday. fourth of july in fresno, 102. las vegas will hit 1:12 by

monday. we will finally start to get a little bit of a break as far as the heat is concerned in that area here as we get closer to tuesday. meanwhile, in parts of the southeast, we have temperatures heading to 99 in montgomery, feeling like one of seven, feeling like 109 later today in nashville, and these temperatures start to slowly get back to normal as an approaching cold front work through, but not in time for tomorrow. if you're going to be out for atlanta tomorrow in the afternoon hours, 95 degrees, but feeling like 104. meanwhile in the northeast, temperatures are very summer -like. still no one side of things, but some are nothing like what we're dealing with a little bit further to the south. with all the severe weather that we're tracking today in parts of the ohio valley extending into the midwest, 46 million people at risk for. this main threat will be the damaging wind gusts, so much for that. and also i mentioned that there are multiple threats and one of those this holiday weekend is the air quality. 65 million people still at risk for the air quality alerts. we are going to be dealing with some of that canadian wildfire smoke still working its way into parts of the northeast. we have seen major improvements for parts of the midwest, detroit, with a big improvement from where we were yesterday. but places like syracuse,

burlington still in that unhealthy range for everybody. but we still have a whole lot of folks like in washington d.c. that are dealing with the unhelpful sensitive groups, and so this is something that we will be watching through the weekend and we will likely see some improvements on the backside of the weekend as our winds start to switch, but we will still be looking at that here for the next couple of days. showers and thunderstorms will stick to us through monday alex and by tuesday, we are looking for the fourth of july forecast, it looks nice and part of the northeast and stretching into the mid-atlantic. we will see some unsettled weather. still, a sizzling summer forecast for folks out west, but we will have a nice dry conditions for fourth of july fireworks. okay, well, thank you. you've got me what i need to be wearing in the next few days in l.a.. short sleeve to note sleeves, thank you, angie, for that. memories of 2022 and whether the supreme court just handed joe biden the keys to victory in 2024. in 2024. ract and trap flying insects with no odor and no mess. they work continuously, so you don't have to. zevo. people-friendly. bug-deadly.

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dismissing concerns around his latest poll numbers. a recent nbc news survey finds 43% approve of the presidents job performance, while 53% disapprove. during his exclusive interview with my colleague, nicole wallace, president biden explained why he's not worried about these numbers, ahead of 2024. >> i know the polling numbers are not good, but they were the same way when i ran and won. everybody thought i was going to get clobbered in a primary. i got 80 million votes. in the last election. >> well, point well taken.

let's bring in robert gibbs, msnbc political analyst and former press secretary for the obama white house. hello, my friend, thanks for joining me on this holiday weekend. so, what do you make of the presidents approach to his poll numbers? should he be worried or is there time to bring them up? >> well, i think what you're probably seeing the white house wanting to do is stabilize and grow the approval rating. but i look back to 2022. democrats ended up having a pretty good night. even as the majority of americans disapprove of president biden. and i think the reality is we see us going from that 2022 election into 2024. it is how to take those soft disapprove numbers, essentially, and use that contrast with republicans to say, even if you disapprove of the job that currently, currently joe biden is doing, when compared to republicans for the next four years, you're going to side with the reelection of the president. i think that is the way they are thinking about this. undoubtedly, they would like to stabilize and grow those numbers as we head into the

race, and i expect they will, particularly in swing states. but pay attention, really, alex, to the contrast in this and what they are ultimately going to try to set up. >> okay, you know, though, the way you described that, it does not really sound great. let's face it. it's almost like you are saying, this is the lesser of a not great choice you have. i mean, you know what i'm saying? >> yeah, maybe i phrased it slightly differently. i guess i think the election is going to be, as joe biden always says, not comparing him to the almighty, but to the alternative. that is sort of what our presidential approval rating does, right? but when you go in there in contrast between one of the two competing visions going forward, that's where i think democrats tend to win the race. look back in 2012, then president obama and vice president biden, not a dissimilar place, in terms of the economy and even in the job approval ratings of then president obama, but an election is not just about the

current president and vice president. it's about what the future is going to look like, and that comparison is what gets voters going. >> okay, so on that point, the biden administration is all in on bidenomics. that rejects the idea of trickle down, reagan era policies. this, in favor of focusing on the middle class. but despite all the improving numbers, on several economic fronts, robert, the administration is struggling to get that message across. and the average american is still feeling the inflation pinch. and i hear some folks saying, he needs to help people connect the dots. but if you have to do that, have you already lost on messaging? >> no, i think, look, it's a good point and i think you're seeing numbers get better. just friday, we saw the consumer sentiment numbers that we all pay attention to from the university of michigan showed really strong improvement. we've seen inflation continue to go down. we see a lot of things that the president had a big role in, right? manufacturing, construction.

look, they're going to have to do exactly what they started to do with bidenomics, which is use it as a platform to talk about his successes and to talk about what he has done, legislatively, that, you are correct, people do not know about. cutting health care costs, building roads, building bridges, and then also using that bidenomics platform to set up that contrast with republicans. but there is no doubt, and i think the reason they kicked off this summer tour of going out and telling the successes of this, is there's a real need to make sure people understand it. also understand as well that the campaign, the reelection campaign and its allies, are going to be doing the hard work of this as well, in paid television advertisements. >> yeah, can i just say? i really love the way the president did this when he called out alabama senator tuberville, who is really against his infrastructure plan, but the second that got implemented and brought wonderful things to his constituents, he's like, this is great! don't you love that when that happens? anyway, let's move on to the supreme court. you can go ahead and smile on that. in the last 72 hours, the

supreme court issued several controversial decisions, including striking down the president's student loan forgiveness plan. late yesterday, the president blamed republicans for that decision. take a listen. >> republican officials, just could not bear the thought of providing relief for working class, middle class americans. i believe -- the certain to strike down my student debt relief program was a mistake, was wrong. i think it bars false hope, but the republicans snatched away the hope that they were given, and it is real, real hope. >> so, we know that last summer's overturning of roe v. wade helped democrats in 2022. can the president and democrats have some kind of leverage in 2024, from these supreme court decisions? >> yeah, absolutely, alex. i mean, i think what you're going to see is a campaign that wraps all of what the supreme court has done over the last now to terms, right? from the end of the last term into the fullness of this term, and i think you will see them

use certain elements of what the supreme court has done to talk to, specifically, elements of the democratic base, get them to understand, again, how important it is to participate in the elections, to get excited, and to get others excited. and then, obviously, you've got looming still, the huge impact of the dobbs case and abortion. and we know the impact that that had in 2022, and no doubt, the impact that it will have in 2024, particularly with swing voters. so, absolutely, the supreme court is going to play a huge part in this race for democrats. usually it plays a huge part in the political dynamics and the political lexicon of republicans. -- with the control of this very conservative court. >> okay, robert gibbs, as always, a pleasure, my friend. thank you very much. a new name emerged this week in the donald trump classified documents case, so, who is susie wiles? and why is she important to investigators? some answers, next. investigators? some answers, next some answers, next zzzquil ultra helps you sleep better

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alleged to have shown a classified map after he left office. nbc has yet to verify that report. and new from the independent prosecutors have prepared to hit trump and his allies with an additional 30 to 45 charges, possibly, in another jurisdiction. and a new york times report that the miami grand's jury investigation of the trump documents case continued after his indictment. trump is once more denied wrongdoing, but is now bracing his arrest for campaign punchlines. >> i was arrested! and every time, my polls go up. we are leading them by a lot, -- notice that, we are leading by a lot. every time they go up, they get more and more radicalized and vicious. >> and here is governor doocy's reaction to the washington post story. quote, this is nothing more than a copy and paste of a compilation of articles from the past two years, disguised as something new and relying on shaky and questionable sourcing. frankly, nothing here is new,

nor is it used to anyone following the issue the last two years. back with me, peter baker, new york times chief white house correspondent, msnbc political analyst, and coauthor of, the divider, trump in the white house. and we are now joined by charles coleman, former brooklyn, new york prosecutor, now civil rights attorney, msnbc legal analyst, and host of the charles coleman podcast. welcome back and welcome to you guys. so, peter, trump is putting on a pretty brave face out on the campaign trail, but what do you think is keeping him up at night? is he terrified by the prospect of being arrested again, and again? >> yeah, you don't hear that phrase on the campaign trail very often. i was arrested. that's not usually a bragging point, it wraps it is not usually the best record to run for president, and yet, we are in an odd moment in our history where that has, in fact, seemed to be politically beneficial for him in the republican primary. so, he's trying to make the best out of it. i think you are right. at night, it's a different question. at night, he must understand,

at least if his lawyer has been telling him, one of the lawyers is saying, that he has a really, you know, big chance of actually getting held liable in court on this. the legal defense is not the same thing as the political defense. you can say all you want that they are biased against you, it's -- selective justice, that's not a defense in court. defense in court, he's had absolutely nothing that's contested the substance of the charge that jack smith has lodged. he has uncontested those documents, he's contested that he tried to obstruct the investigation, and that is what these charges are going to be decided on. >> yeah, good point there so charles, which investigation do you think should be getting the most attention from donald trump? >> well alex, it's hard to say because we are starting to see particularly with the classified documents investigation, they overlap. so, now you're talking about potential charges in another -- there's the issue which is a bedminster, new jersey, that could also dovetail right into the mar-a-lago case. so, all of these things are coalescing in what amounts to more and more legal troubles

for the former president. so, i don't know that there is anyone in particular that he can sort of not focus on. i think that people have forgotten that -- is still cooking in fulton county and georgia, so that's also got to be on his radar. he has a number of legal problems and you can't necessarily state that anyone should take priority over the other. but it's very clear that this documents case is probably one of the biggest and most straightforward things that he has to deal with. >> excellent reminder about georgia because the decision on whether or not to prosecute or charge him, i should say, is coming down pretty soon there. but all these reports come days after nbc news and other outlets obtained an audio recording of trump, and this is in 2021, discussing what appears to be a classified document related to iran. here's some of that. >> isn't it amazing --

>> actually not funny. you hear, peter, a lot of paper shuffling there. trump later told reporters, it was, quote, bravado. so, you can interview demi benban's are in 2021, after he had lost. what do you make of this bravado euphemism? >> yeah, it's a good point. i mean, it is possible it is bravado in the sense that, you know, he is one to sort of make stuff up, right? i mean, bravado is another word for lying. in effect, what he's saying here is i may have said this as a classified document, but i may have just been waving something else. we obviously do not know, but the prosecutors clearly believed it was a classified documents, they would have charged, impulse likely, if they didn't and presumably, they've interviewed the people who were there with him, who can testify to what he seems to be waving around and whether he showed it to them or not, right? we know who's in the room, these were these, you know, people working on mark meadows memoir. and presumably, the prosecutors have a much better sense of

what is in his hands at that point, and what president trump is telling interviewers. so, you know, we will know more, obviously, if this gets to court, when this gets to court. but, you know, bravado, the idea that he was faking it, seems to be a pretty curious defense and yet, one that at least some people who work for him say is plausible. >> yeah, i just want to take a quick look, everybody, pick in south carolina because donald trump will be speaking there, a campaign rally. and there is a pretty sizeable crowd. so, apparently they don't care if papers are being shuffled around at this point. they've gathered to him here speak. so, we are going to be following that as well. but trump's reaction, charles, to this audio in his span, a range of explanations. let's watch some of that, it's interesting. >> i had a whole desk full of lots of papers and mostly newspaper articles, copies of magazines, copies of different plans, copies of stories, having to do with many, many subjects, and what was said was absolutely fine. in fact, you could hear the

russell of the paper and nobody said i did anything wrong. i don't do things wrong, i do things right. i am a legitimate person. >> oh boy, that last part. charles, how useful is the tape if it turns out that trump, indeed, lied about having secret documents? >> well, alex, it becomes pretty useful. the thing that i thought about, as i was listening to that explanation, is that of all the things that he's facing, this is probably one of the areas that he does not have to say much, because that tape, on its own, does not pass muster, in terms of the elimination of reasonable doubt. now, when you combine that tape, that circumstantial evidence, with a testimony of other people in the room, then it invites donald trump to perhaps try to offer some sort of explanation however implausible that explanation may be. but at this point, the tape itself does not warrant a response or any explanation because, as you already talked about, it could've been anything that he was moving around. so, we don't necessarily know. peter is exactly right, that, by itself, is actually movie

believable or at least possible. but when you are adding that with the other testimony and evidence that jack smith's office clearly has and intends to report, that's when it becomes a problem. it's way too relevant for him to be talking in a way he's talking, but of course, this is donald trump we are talking about. so, this should surprise no one. >> okay, peter baker, thank you so much for sticking around. charles coleman, i will ask you to do the same because we will be talking with you about supreme court rulings at the top of the next hour. so, we will see you in a bit. talk about changing overnight, as we look at jacksonville beach. life in florida just got more complicated, due to several new laws that went into effect just a few hours ago. those details, next. next. next. tourists taking photos that are analyzed by ai. so researchers can help life underwater flourish. lila: before i was diagnosed, there was nothing ♪

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and public schools before sixth grade. permit-less carry, that allows legal gun owners to carry a concealed gun without a permit, but except in schools and airports. people now have to use the bathroom corresponding to the sex they were assigned at birth, a public colleges, k through 12 schools, and correctional, congressional, rather, facilities. diversity, equity, and inclusion programs and now defunded at public colleges and universities. and private companies with 25 or more employees must check the immigration status of new workers. there's a lot to get through. msnbc's diane yell, appear bravo, is here with more on this new immigration law. so, let's talk about that. are you worried, danielle, about creating a labor shortage or worse because of it? >> hi, alex, yeah, that's right. specifically in a state -- agriculture where you have an estimated 40% of undocumented immigrants making up that workforce. the law has provisions specifically that target these workers. some of these include, as you

mentioned, mandatory e-verify requirements, stricter penalties for workers who hire employees, and criminalizing transporting undocumented immigrants across state lines. i headed to florida last week and here is what we found about the possible labor and economic effects of this law. >> 22 year old florida came to the u.s. from guatemala years ago and on any given day, she's joined by other workers at this farm in homestead, florida. but today, she's doing the job on her own. >> [interpreter] there were seven of us. the truth is, the other seven already left. they already left to other states. [end of translation] >> her colleagues have abandoned their life in florida in fear of governor desantis's new senate bill, 1718, which will bring sweeping changes to florida's immigration law, when it takes effect underlie first. >> we are acting with the strongest measures yet. we are proud of the legislature for stepping up and for getting this done. >> this means more crackdowns

on immigrants without status across the state. >> >> translator: in the pandemic, these workers were important, they were vital. now they are being repaid by the slight for governor ron desantis. they are -- >> floor is one of the estimated 772,000 undocumented people living in florida, a state that is home to the third largest share of agricultural, undocumented workers in the country. immigrant rights advocate, juan flores, says that he's already seen emptyrms and workers leave the state. >> translator: i've seen in homestead, i've seen in palm beach, and in tampa. >> business owner, -- who asked for her last name not to be disclosed, can't find enough workers for her nursery. she's had experience working with undocumented workers in the past, and worries the fear around the bill will drive even more workers away. >> >> translator: they are the ones with the experience, they are the ones who can tolerate the heat, workers with legal documents looking for work in offices and restaurants. >> some agricultural experts

warn of a potential ripple effect from undocumented immigrants leaving the state and seasonal workers, who may decide not to return to florida for harvest season in the fall. >> it's likely that those workers, you know, they simply skipped florida entirely on their sort of paths. and when you have parts of that supply chain missing, it becomes that much harder for the people who are left to do their jobs. and so, you are going to see further exits from the agricultural work, regardless of whether or not someone has a documented status or not. alex, experts also told me that if this worker trend continues and we see more exits, there is a possibility that long term we could see florida's crops be produced elsewhere. i -- reach out to the governor's office. the press secretary reiterated that this bill addresses illegal immigration as they chose to word it. the bill is a solution to companies hiring them instead of floridians. alex? >> we shall see on that.