warn of a potential ripple effect from undocumented immigrants leaving the state and seasonal workers, who may decide not to return to florida for harvest season in the fall. >> it's likely that those workers, you know, they simply skipped florida entirely on their sort of paths. and when you have parts of that supply chain missing, it becomes that much harder for the people who are left to do their jobs. and so, you are going to see further exits from the agricultural work, regardless of whether or not someone has a documented status or not. alex, experts also told me that if this worker trend continues and we see more exits, there is a possibility that long term we could see florida's crops be produced elsewhere. i -- reach out to the governor's office. the press secretary reiterated that this bill addresses illegal immigration as they chose to word it. the bill is a solution to companies hiring them instead of floridians. alex? >> we shall see on that.

daniela, thank you very much, great reporting. in just a few minutes, we are going to talk about the story about the former president reportedly pressuring arizona governor doug doocy to overturn the 2020 election. do you see just issuing a response we are going to have that for you. plus, supreme court followed. the new help being offered a student loan borrowers following yesterday's rejection. as i bet you another good day from nbc news here in los angeles, we are at the top of the hour so i welcome you to alex witt reports. we begin this hour with new reaction to the latest round of supreme court rulings and a look at some of today's head lines. they washington courts conservatives flex their strength, the los angeles time, justices washed student debt relief. from the gazette in colorado, christian designer can turn away same-sex wedding business. the new york times highlighting

both rulings, one congressman telling me that he feels the pain of students with high debt. >> you have the most vulnerable people in our country who took a student loans without being fully informed as to how they were expecting to get good jobs when they graduated who are now not able to pay back their debt. >> well, one student told nbc legal correspondent laura jarrett that he agrees with the court's decision. >> what is going to lead to is people relying on the government to bail out when they are in debt. >> also new today, a new court date for taylor toronto, arrested thursday knew the obama family home in d.c. with guns and 400 rounds of ammunition in his van. prosecutors say he showed up at obama's residence after former president trump shared screenshots highlighting obama

's address. taranto he's also facing capital riot charges, he will accord on one on wednesday. a scathing new report on the chaotic u.s. military withdrawal from afghanistan. the biden administration review blames both the trump and biden administrations before and after u.s. forces left kabul in august 2021, saying there was insufficient senior level consideration of worst-case scenarios. 13 u.s. troops and about 170 afghans died in a suicide bombing at kabul airport during that chaotic withdrawal. we begin the hour with the supreme court decisions, joining me right now is kathryn at the white house. and msnbc legal analyst charles coleman, the welcome to you both. first you kathryn, does the administration have any obvious options for countering or challenging any of the latest supreme court decisions? >> what i can tell you, alex, is the president has faced two big decisions with the supreme court this week. the biggest of all was the decision to block his student

loan forgiveness program. this was a campaign pledge of the president and the president is standing by as he gather with his aides yesterday to work out next steps ahead of that. they are looking for a new program that would cancel up to $20,000 in student debt. here's what the president had to say yesterday. >> i'm announcing today a new path consistent with the days -- to provide student debt relief as quickly as possible. this new path is gonna take longer, but in my view is that's path that remains to providing -- i'm not gonna stop fighting to deliver borrowers what they need, particularly those at the bottom end of the economics to scale. >> but a lot remains unknown as we go forward. how long is going to take to come up with the rule, who is going to qualify, it could take

months before it is implemented we are hearing from officials. the administration is rolling out a temporary period where boroughs will be able to wait a little while before they begin the repayments. but so far, the ire of the action is really pointed at the court and biden has not had to deal with any of the pushback yet from voters and supporters who are really that in his plan and supported him and came out in the midterm elections last year and saw his poll numbers rise amongst younger voters, many of whom carry this debt. >> you make a really good point, kathryn, i guess there's a couple more months those payments have to repay, start being repaid in september. there is that cushion period but we shall see if what he is able to do can help affect this long term. we appreciate you, thank you so much, joining me now, former brooklyn new york prosecutor msnbc legal analyst charles coleman. so charles, we'll start with the affirmative action decision. a recent wall street journal

article asked this question, can colleges be racially diverse without affirmative action? this is taking into account that nine states have already banned race conscious admissions, mainly as a result of a voter initiatives. and the journal came up with the answer, no. i'm going to add that the congress for from new york also said no. do you agree that colleges cannot be reassured diverse without affirmative action? >> alex, we already know the answer to this because we have seen this movie before. we know how it has. you mean look no further than the nine states who have already gotten rid of race based, race based considerations as part of the admissions process and how that is worked out. look at california and a steep decline in the number of black students for example who are in the ucc some specifically at berkeley for example. all of these names point the idea that we are not telling ourselves and telling public the truth about where we are in our conversation about race in america and how it impacts our

decisions. and so when you're talking about having a color blind admissions process, what you are effectively doing is expecting america to not be what we know that it is. when i say that, what i'm saying is there are decisions that are going to be made that are going to continue the existence and the effect of systemic inequity and institutional racism that made affirmative actions so necessary to begin with. the guardrails that allow for the little bit of minorities and people of color to actually get into these institutions being removed is actually going to take us back to where we were when we needed affirmative action and other remedies in the first place. >> the courts ruling appears to preserve some consideration of race and in a really narrowly tailored way such as an applicants essay. chief justice roberts wrote, at the same time, as all parties agree, nothing in this opinion

should be construed as prohibiting universities from considering and applicants discussion of how race affected his or her life, be a three discrimination, inspiration, or otherwise. do you believe the exceptions that roberts is referring to in the decision? will it mitigate anything in terms of colleges maintaining diversity? was that a legit point that he brought up, and effective? >> take on its own, it would be but i'm so glad you raised it because if you read further in the decision, i've had an opportunity to look through it at this point, roberts actually goes forward to contradict himself later on and say, you can't basically do it and backdoor this by any other means. using that language, then contradicting himself later on, it nullifies any sort of these work-arounds that might seem to appear in this decision. i think it is important that people understand a couple of things. number one, it is extremely curious that this opinion and this decision has a special carve out for military institutions. number two, it is extremely

serious and surprising that this opinion does not touch legacy admissions which is basically another form of reverse authority affirmative action for other students. these things sent a very clear message to the supreme court and work-arounds that roberts identified or completely nullified by his language later in the opinion. i don't buy it, the biggest problem here is that while you are taking affirmative action away, you're not giving colleges any guidance around what to put into place. i anticipate that we will see a number of different cases following him lower circuits around colleges attempting to continue to create spaces for diversity and he's been challenged by the very troubling decision and precedence it by the supreme court. >> here's a domino effect concerning a different case. the courts ruling in favor of a website designer in colorado who doesn't want to make wedding websites for same-sex couples.

it raises a long list of legal questions. first of all, explain how this case was able to proceed despite the fact that the plaintiff has never received a contract to design such a sight. nor has she turned anyone down and what does this decision mean going forward? our business now allowed to generally refused to serve same-sex couples or lgbtq people? >> alex, this decision and the fact that they are taking this into consideration is curious. the question of standing for me was one thing that i could not wrap my brain around. this was a design, the plaintiff in this case was someone who had actually not received a single request from anyone but was fighting a colorado law that basically they felt infringe upon their freedom of speech and freedom of religious expression. i do think that this is going to open the floodgates on a number of just different instances. but first and foremost, without a state law that bans that,

which doesn't exist in all 50 states, you don't necessarily have the same issues. a precursor to seeing this play out in terms of the legal pandora's box this has opened is that states have to have a law prohibiting them from discrimination in the first place. that is number one. the number two, i would imagine, although the supreme court actually -- the decision to throw me off in terms of them considering the case, someone actually has to try and get you to do something that is against whatever religious belief or expression is that you feel like you have. but it does open a number of cans of warms, proverb li speaking, it creates more problems than it solves. >> charles coleman, many thanks my friend. brutal heat, winter storms, unhealthy air, next room gonna show you where the holiday weekend is going after a pretty rough start. as we give you a look at jacksonville beach. doesn't look too bad there. doesn't look too bad there. doesn't look too bad there. nervive contains ala to relieve nerve aches,

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is expected as americans are traveling big-time this holiday weekend, 46 million are at risk for thunderstorms from missouri, to virginia. this is a historic heat wave, scorches the death southwest, and deep south. priscilla thompson, who is putting it out there for m&ms b.c. for new orleans, feels like it's 115 degrees. you look so calm cool and collected, i cannot even believe it. how is everyone else feeling with it, though priscilla? >> alex, we are all trying our best out here right. now this is the third week of this historic heat wave, across the south. as you mentioned, it's going to feel something like 115 degrees here. in new orleans. it comes as you have hundreds of thousands of people coming into town for this holiday weekend, essence festival, a lot of folks out here maybe not prepared for this heat, but the city is definitely warning people. it's going to be hot. they have opened up cooling centers, and they're encouraging people to stay

indoors if they can. and of course, if you're gonna be out on bourbon drinking, you want to make sure you're drinking just as much water, that's what a lot of other officials are also saying. stay hydrated, and if you feel yourself having a heat issue, you definitely want to seek help you know, get some sort of emergency response to take care of that. because this heat is becoming deadly. already across texas in louisiana, we have seen 13 deaths in the past two weeks, because of heat related illnesses. we had an opportunity to speak to some folks out here, in the streets here in new orleans about how they're dealing with this heat. i want to play a little bit of those conversations. >> i've seen the vendors try and say hydrated, we did a blood draw, i think the hospital is doing a blood, drug and they're giving out water. a lot of people giving out water. even the people that are selling water, i don't know if it's legal or not, i've been buying from, them so i can drink my, water go, drink my water. that's been helping me. i don't want to carry it, because it's hot out here.

>> and so you hear there, folks really doing everything they can to try and stay cool, try and stay healthy in spite of this heat. we also know, ems in new orleans is fully staffed this weekend according to the city. that's something we have been keeping an eye on. i was in houston where a mess and fire were just getting skyrocketing number of heat related calls and calls about the heat related illnesses. so really urging people to keep heed those warnings, as you mentioned it's not just the south that it's experiencing this now. we have folks out west that are dealing with this. you have oregon, california, nevada. temperatures probably up to 120 degrees this weekend. quite a holiday weekend for folks here in the south in the southwest. alex? >> yes i have to say i'm very glad that women talked about giving blood. you need water as. well you can already get kind of woozy with the blood donations. that's very very smart of them glad you got that soundbite. okay thank you so much

appreciate you priscilla. just a few moments, in pick and south carolina, donald trump will make his first public remarks since his supreme court conservative majority. he helped build issued a series of landmark rulings. let's go to nbc's vaughn, spoke to trump supporters ahead of trump's rally. fawn brook, what are you hearing today? >> hey, alex it's 92 degrees, air quality is moderate. there are many thousands of trump supporters, here in south carolina. if you're looking at this crowd, seven months away from iowa caucus new hampshire primary, of course the key south carolina primary. trump campaign feels really good about what they see here, you have thousands of folks that have come here on this fourth of july weekend to hear donald trump in the face of two indictments, a criminal referral, from the january 6th election committee. he's looking at his polling numbers, a good 30 point lead over ron desantis, and a greater lead over mike pence, nikki haley, and tim scott. those last two of course, hear

from their home state of south carolina. i want you to hear from some of the folks we have talked, from our team on the ground, take a listen. >> i find it hard to believe anyone will overtake him. but i know he has some judicial issues right now. we can go down that road, i don't think they're fair. >> in my opinion, i think ron desantis, everyone likes either one. put them together, i think they'd be strong. >> i'm supporting our president. he should be our president now. one hunted percent pro trump. i think if we can get rid of some of the corruption and hounding after trump for things, that other presidents have done, i just think they need to work on that. >> you don't think the indictment is fair? >> oh no, not at all. >> alex, if you can believe it this is the ninth summer i've gone to trump rallies like this. i can tell, you this summer is not all that much different from the first summer of 2015, when it comes to the trump rallies. you have thousands of folks,

there is a clear die hard base of support he's working off of, heading into these key months of campaign, alex. >> just had to say my friend, when you figure out the logic behind that after nine years of analyzing it, you can let me know. because i cannot figure it out. but anyway, thank you very much, we appreciate you. coming up next the phone call, former president formerly made to the governor of arizona, those details next.

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investigations into donald trump the washington post reporting today on yet another phone call made by donald trump as related to the 2020 election. this call to arizona governor doug doocy claiming a short fall of nor than 10,000 votes. from abc news susie wildes, one of trump's most trusted advisers leading his 2024 campaign could be a witness against trump after he allegedly showed her a classified map after he left office. new from the independent prosecutors prepared to hit trump and his allies with additional 30 to 45 charges possibly in another jurisdiction. in the new york times report that the miami grand jury is still sending out subpoenas in the trump documents investigation this long after his indictment. former governor reacting to the washington post article saying this is more than nothing than a compilation of articles from the past two years disguised as something new. and relying on shaky and

questionable sourcing. frankly nothing here is new nor is it news to anyone following the issue over the last two years. meanwhile donald trump is denying any wrongdoing. join me right now we have washington post congressional investigations reporter and msnbc contributor, as well as lisa rubin, msnbc legal analyst, both favorites of the show. welcome ladies get to see. you i know jacqui you contributed to the big exclusive in the post today this first report on trump's efforts to pressure former republican governor greg doug doocy about shortfall over more than 10,000 votes what can you tell us about this phone call and is this being looked at by jack smith's team? >> yes alex i have to politely disagree with governor doocy's statement to my colleagues who landed this brilliant and interesting scoop this morning. we are not quite sure if governor doocy the former governor has been contacted by

smith's office since he communicated to others during a donor meeting over a meal in arizona earlier this year that he was under pressure after trump's loss to a republican. in the state. this account had been confirmed by others who were aware of doocy's call with former president donald trump after the election where trump was repeatedly asking him to find evidence to substantiate his claims of voter fraud so it's unclear if the special counsel has contacted do you see just yet. doocy had explicit expressed surprise that he had yet to be called in at least at the time. back to this call between doocy and trump for people familiar with the call had said trump had spoken specifically about the shortfall of 10,000 votes in arizona. and encourage duty to study them.

>> as far as a classified documents investigation jacqui i understand you are learning more about exactly who was in the room when trump was heard shuffling a bunch of papers, and talking about iran. mark more can you tell us about that? >> alex we uncovered the names of the publisher, and another editor or ghost writer that was involved with former chief of staff, mark meadows project. and was present at the bedminster 2020 meeting with former president donald trump, earlier this year. earlier in 2021. i believe in july where trump as we have now all heard in an audio recording that we have reported on was brandishing documents related to top secret plans, regarding iran. also, in this meeting, that was recorded by multiple people in the meeting we're not quite sure exactly how prosecutors first got their hands on the recording. but the other two people were two top aides to the former president who continued to

still work with him, liz harrington, and margot martin. this places it not just in the publisher in the ghost writer in a precarious situation. but i think more so trump's current aides, who are going to have to decide potentially, whether or not they're gonna continue to cooperate with prosecutors and maybe eventually serve as witnesses in a trial to testify to what exactly happens at this meeting. that undercuts many of the former president's defenses about retaining classified documents. so i just want to say to all of the viewers if you are thinking way this is another one that you're confused about all of these meetings, and phone calls and the like. i want to make this point, what jacqui is talking about is separate from that either meeting one or two months later at bedminster when trump allegedly showed a classified map to a pack official, identified now by abc news, as

well as the new york times as his top 2024 campaign aide susan wild. what can prosecutors expect, lisa, if they need to rely on her to testify against donald trump? >> we know, from reporting, alex, that susie had met with investigators and special counsel office, several times. we don't understand yet that she has actually testified before the grand jury but the account that appears in the indictment about trump showing that document to a person named only of a pack representative. likely, comes from or at least in part comes from, their meetings with susan. wildes we do not know however, if others were present in the room there. if the only participant to the conversation were in fact susie wildes and donald trump, you can expect that susie wildes might be called at trial to talk about that. on the other hand, that incident is not part of the charged conduct.

it is additional information in the indictment meant to give some color to what trump's intent was, in other words, that he understood full well that the document he was showing her was classified at the time. and that she was not permitted to see it, nor was he permitted to have it. it's not internal to the charges in florida, we have to wait and see however, particularly given the other four, that whether there will be additional charges predicated on that contact in bedminster and whether or not she would be a critical witness in any other indictment, alex. >> can i ask you both quickly, is there any way, do you remember when donald trump was putting this big sort of halo of protection around anyone who was going to be called to testify against, called in for interviews, he would say, executive privilege i do not want someone so. i do not want so-and-so to be able to testify. and they would say we cannot do. it is there any way you could do that for susie wildes? >> no, first of all i'm not sure there's any way he could

do that for anyone at this point. trump has litigated extensively, the question of both executive privilege, and attorney client privilege. every time he is litigated those questions, including with people who served him at very senior levels in the white house, up to and through mark meadows, those arguments have failed. susie wildes, on the other hand, has only served as trump's campaign aide in as a pack representative at the time. she has never served him in an official capacity, certainly, trump is not working in an official capacity right now i do not think there are any defenses that he could raise with respect to privileges or immunities that would shield her from having to testify. alex at this point. >> okay that makes sense. let's get to another expert, this is from jackie's reporting, several authorities have asked witnesses extensively questions about activities at bedminster, including how the documents were packed, sent, and returned. adding, unlike trump's florida property, the new jersey club was never searched by fbi agents.

jackie, do you expect that change? >> that is a good question, alex we do know that this is actually normal for ongoing investigations, even when charges had already, criminal charges had already landed. the investigation by special counsel jack smith is still ongoing, that being said it does not seem like right now there is going to be another search warrant, executed. we had sources who are familiar with the discussions, in the past, with searches of mar-a-lago, who said there were just simply was not enough probable cause or evidence to warrant and additional search of bedminster. at the time, while there was a reasonable and accurate assumption that trump was bringing documents to bedminster, and they collected evidence that said as much, there was not enough evidence to show that there were enough materials at bedminster to actually carry out as we saw with mar-a-lago, rather

controversial searches of another presidential property as one source said to me the squeeze just was not worth the juice in that case. >> okay. there's so much to talk, about i'm gonna have you both back again very soon, thanks for joining me today though. from affirmative action to lgbt rights, we break down some of the biggest supreme court ruling this week. with congressman robert garcia, of california, next. the game-changing new plan that lets her pick exactly what she wants and save on every perk. sadie is getting her plan ready for a big trip. travel pass, on. nice iphone. cute couple. trips don't last forever, neither does summer love. so, sadie is moving on. apple music, check! introducing myplan. get exactly what you want, only pay for what you need. switch now and get iphone 14 pro max on us. offer ends july 5th. it's your verizon. so i didn't think i needed swiffer, until, i saw how easily it picked up my hair every time i dried it! only takes a minute.

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after the supreme court dealt a blow to lgbtq rights. the high court blocking a colorado web designer, who did not want to serve a same-sex couples saying the first amendment allows her to reject ideas she opposes. in the majority path opinion justice gore shuts, writing, colorado seeks to force an individual to speak in ways that it aligns with its views, but to find her conscience but a matter of majority dirty significance. in her dissent justice sonia saying quote, the court for the first time in history, grants a business open to the public a constitutional right to refuse to serve members a protected class. joining me, now california congressman robert garcia, democratic co-chair of the house quality caucus. he is the first openly gay immigrant to serve in congress and we welcome you back to the broadcast, particularly on this holiday weekend, thank you for joining me. give me a sense of what you think this ruling means for a community that already feels their rights are under attack.

>> thank you, look, this was a terrible ruling for the community. it's a really dark day for civil rights. for the lgbtq+ community. one thing that i want to make clear, this ruling treats our community a second-class citizens. it rolls back protected status, it allows american businesses to discriminate against our community. and the one thing that also is really disheartening, in this moment for us, is right now this community is under direct attack by extreme forces, across legislators, by extreme right-wing members of the congress. by governors across the country. so to have a supreme court takes this decision, it's really really harmful to the community. i think a lot of us are feeling a very dark time for us, what we have to regroup and fight back as best as possible. >> here's a question, in terms of how dark could this get? are you worried this ruling could lead to businesses refusing service to other customers for various reasons?

like their skin color? is this a slippery slope? >> i think it is, i think first we should minimize the ruling. i think it's really important to note in the last couple of years, we have seen across the country, hate crimes go up. we have seen folks be anti lgbtq+. and their views be amplified by national leaders. we see more folks coming out, protesting something as simple as the pride flag. i think for our community, this ruling is really really dangerous. of course, i heard another person say, my religious values do not align with the lgbtq+ people. my question is, what about african americans? what about latinos? i think this really opens the door to quite a dangerous precedence. as we continue to try and hear from the far-right. we know right now court filings have been filed across the country, to peel back rights. rights for gay people, rights for women, rights for students.

it's really disheartening to see. a lot of grouping, it needs to be happening in our community, regrouping. >> i just want to say, you were the first in your family to graduate from college. you have taught a cal state university. at the university of southern california. so, in your mind, how much will ending president biden's student loan relief plan impact students? what do you think could be done to help? them or to make higher education more affordable? >> this was really hard to see, i have had thousands of students as a teacher college administrator for ten years. these students oftentimes are taking out loans to survive, to pay the rent, for food for, books. a lot of them are first nations didn't like, myself they have this burden that we often times don't provide support for them. i don't know how this country, we can bail out huge banks and corporations, but not allowed to relieve our students. i completely and disappointed by the supreme court, angered

frankly on this decision on the student loan debt. grateful the president stepping forward in trying to do additional actions in relation to that. people need to realize these are some of our best and brightest students are burdened with this debts, they just want to have the same, oftentimes support that we get to give to large companies. it's just unfortunately, we're living in a time right now where this court is an extremist court. and they will continue to take extreme positions, against the vast majority of americans. >> well then i'm gonna pick up on another one here, major ruling thursday, supreme court struck down affirmative action programs. this happened at both university of north carolina and harvard. new report in the wall street journal says, can colleges be racially diverse without affirmative action? experience suggests no. but it points to nine states that ban race conscious admissions, to find alternatives, that tenderly black and hispanic students underrepresented in california

is one of those nine. how do we ensure the schools ensure equal opportunity? >> again, terrible decision. i think we both understand that what affirmative action does, it looks out addressing racial inequity in her academic institutions. i can tell, you as a longtime investigator, and teacher. when you have diverse to dents in there in the classroom, the benefit is not just to the student. it is to the other students around them any institution. they are gaining information, they are gaining access, they are gaining this rich tapestry of culture with their own experience. diversity benefits everyone in the classroom including assist teachers and educators. this is very difficult, what it's going to do, it's gonna cause very very important conversations across the country at our academic institutions about how to better address the needs of the students. our students, in this country, we look at those who are underrepresented. degrees, access to college has

gone up since we've been able to have more raced based admissions. so now we're in a situation, we what might be sliding backwards. it benefits the entire country and economy to have all students, especially lower income students who do not have the same access to have college degree in education. as an educator, there's a lot of work to do here. i'm involved with a bunch of professors here in california, to do some of this work. again, the whole country needs to get involved in this. >> can i ask you for a quick set yes or no answer, as to whether or not you believe as to what other lawmakers are pushing for that the supreme court should be expanded? >> 100 percent, yes. >> okay that was quick i appreciate that. and you, congressman robert garcia, also, again thank you. >> former donald trump insider weighs in on a reporting about those classified documents, and his private meetings.

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2021. joining me now, stephanie grisham from the white house press secretary, and communications director under president trump author of i'll take your questions now what i saw at the trump white house. welcome stuff, good to see you what can you tell us about susie wildes? have you crossed paths with her, do you think she could end up being a star witness? >> yes i have crossed paths with her, she is pretty well-known in political circles, in fact she used to work for ron desantis, until they had a falling out. so i know trump really needs her in the position that she's, and because desantis is his biggest competition at this moment. if it's true, he showed her a classified document. that is going to obviously put her in a very awkward position. it has not been confirmed, i guess, that it's her yet. i do believe, you know, i'm sure people all in the trump world right now we're working hard to figure out if it's. her asking her questions. it will just put her in an awkward position i'm interested to see how it will play out

ultimately, because he is not trusting many people right now. >> yes absolutely, you make a good point. i just want to reiterate, nbc news has not confirmed that particular report either. this alleged exchange between trump and miles, it is the second of two instances detailed by prosecutors in the indictment chilling how trump allegedly disclosed classified information, i as you know that july 2021 audio recording, let's take a listen to that. >> i just found, isn't that amazing this totally wins my, case you know. except it, is like, highly confidential. >> yeah. [laughter] >> this is. >> this is done by the military, and given to me. i don't, know i think we can probably -- right? >> i don't, know we'll have to see. yeah, we'll try to figure out. >> declassify, a city as president i could've declassified. it >> yeah. >> now i can't. you know. this is a secret. >> like you know donald trump, is it plausible trump was showing classified documents to

people in private meetings? >> the short answer is yes. i watched him show documents to people at mar-a-lago, on the dining room patio. he has no respect for classified information, it never did. you know worth listening to that exchange, every time it just makes me so angry, he talks specifically he should have declassified it. but he didn't. i think that's proof, i believe also there's a portion of that, audio he says this is off the record. i know donald trump, he throws the rules of reporters, he knows if it needs to be off the record they can't talk about it i think he was covering himself, in that regard. i was thinking about this earlier, i just wanna say to your viewers, i do not think people understand how hard it is to get your classified permission. i remember when i was going through, to get all of mine, i got held up because a 13 dollar kinder care bill, i did not know about.

i couldn't get clearance. >> what? >> they go through everything about you, it's very difficult to get a security clearance, i think people missed us in the weeds obviously but to be showing it to people who have not gone through the extreme vetting that you go through to get a clearance, it is a disservice to the country. but it also puts people in danger potentially. >> how high was your security clearance? i have to think given that you get held up from a 13 dollar whatever, it was, i mean that has got to be almost offensive that donald trump goes around and shows it very liberally to people. >> it is. of course it's offensive to me, sure, but again there are services and methods out there that could be put in danger. and i cannot stress enough, by being so loose with the stuff, he is potentially putting people in danger. yes, i had a top security clearance. it's very very hard to obtain that. it's very important, it's vital to our country international security, that only people with

these clearances have access to any of these documents. >> okay, donald trump has having been candle called out on this, behavior is defending the audio recording we just played. he's calling it bravado. take a listen to what he said. >> i had a whole desk full of lots of papers, mostly newspaper articles. copies of magazines. copies of different plans. copies of stories. having to do with many many subjects. and, what was said was absolutely fine, very perfectly, we did nothing wrong. this is a whole hoax. >> so how do you interpret his defense, compared to the audio we heard? >> well, i think this is like his seventh or eighth defense. right? first there was nothing, then it was all declassified anyway, you know, this is just the newest defense. it does not go with what the audio says. he says the military put this together for, me see this, you hear the papers. that is not bravado. you cannot tell me he's holding out a newspaper, while he's

saying the military put this together for me. >> okay, let me ask you for a quick round on this, you know former trump lawyer rudy giuliani being interviewed by federal investigators as part of the special counsel investigation in efforts to overturn the 2020 election. they've also interviewed georgia secretary of state, this week, what does this mean for trump? do you think he should be embracing for another indictment? >> yes, that's my quick answer. yes i do think he should be bracing for that. >>, okay you were quick my friend. could've given you another 15, 20 seconds. i'll make it up to you next time. >> okay. >> all right, staff have a great holiday, it's good to see you. coming up next story that has sparked clashes with protesters and police, this week. while crowds are chanting, we do not forget. we do not forgive. break free with t-mobile! introducing go5g plus, the first plan that always gives new and existing customers the same great device deals, and you're upgrade ready in two years versus three.

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on tuesday, a 17 year old was fatally shot by police sparking riots, protests, and hundreds of arrest. nbc's josh loudermilk is following this developing story from us from london. josh, welcome. so as tensions, rather, our tensions easing or do you think tonight is going to be chaos that number five? >> well, that is the exact question, alex, at some 45,000 french police officers are asking as they hit the streets to try to quell this violence on what would be the fifth night of unrest over this killing of this 17 year old. and every night, the police, the french government, have tried to put new steps in place to try to reduce the violence. but every night, it has only gotten worse than it was the night before. so, yes yesterday for example, authorities shut down all public buses and trams at nine pm, ahead of sundown. they took other steps such as discouraging and canceling many large gatherings. the president, emmanuel macron, urging parents to keep their

kids at home, and yes, still, overnight, we saw 1300 people arrested nearly 80 police officers injured. and there was widespread violence last night in marseille, where we saw a gun store looted. multiple hunting rifles stolen from that store. so, tonight, partially in response, police say there will be a ban in that city of any types of prostitute or demonstrations until tomorrow morning, but it is unclear whether that is going to be enough to stop the violence all this in response to that fatal shooting of a 17-year-old described as of north african descent, that has really lived in a match under the concerns about discrimination and racism by french police. the french government are pushing back very strongly against that allegation, alex. >> i'll tell you, that was some video provided for us, josh lederman as well as the story. that will do it for me on alex witt reports. a few again tomorrow at one pm eastern. my friend, lindsey reiser,

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