arrested nearly 80 police officers injured. and there was widespread violence last night in marseille, where we saw a gun store looted. multiple hunting rifles stolen from that store. so, tonight, partially in response, police say there will be a ban in that city of any types of prostitute or demonstrations until tomorrow morning, but it is unclear whether that is going to be enough to stop the violence all this in response to that fatal shooting of a 17-year-old described as of north african descent, that has really lived in a match under the concerns about discrimination and racism by french police. the french government are pushing back very strongly against that allegation, alex. >> i'll tell you, that was some video provided for us, josh lederman as well as the story. that will do it for me on alex witt reports. a few again tomorrow at one pm eastern. my friend, lindsey reiser, continues our coverage.

contin♪ ♪ ♪ >> good afternoon, i'm lindsey reiser, in for yasmin vossoughian. president biden says he's not giving up. >> i believe the court's decision to strike down my student debt relief program was a mistake, was wrong. i'm not going to stop fighting to deliver borrowers what they need, particularly those at the bottom end of the economic scale. so, we need to find a new way. we're moving as fast as we can. we'll use every tool of our disposal to get you the student debt relief you need and reach your dreams. it's good for the economy it's good for the country, it's going to be good for you. >> not president unveiling a new plan to help ease student loan debt after the supreme court knocks down one of his signature policies it's just one of a trio of rulings from the conservative court facing

backlash today. we are going to be looking into the major decisions of affirmative action lgbtq rights, plus, donald trump on the campaign trail, right now, amid his growing legal woes. we'll be looking into his evolving defense in the classified documents case. plus, we are following breaking news in paris, or protests over the police killing of 18 rage on. as a funeral is held for the victim. more on that and life report ahead. we're going to begin though with president biden's plan before using the crushing burden of student loan debt. nbc's monica alba is at the white house with next steps, after the supreme court decision effectively ended the administration's original strategy. so, monica, what does the president want to do and can he? >> well, he's going to certainly try, lindsey, that's for sure. the president, of course, was severely disappointed by the supreme court's decision here, but they did already have a sort of backup plan in the works, bracing for this scenario. and that's why he asked the

department of education, under the higher education act, to look into a brand-new regulation here that would, they hope, cover some of this student debt and bring relief to more than 43 million americans who are relying on this, who thought they were going to be able to get this from the presidents original program, but we really have to point out here what is essential, which is this is something that's going to take months just to study whether it's even possible. and the parameters of who will be able to qualify and for how much forgiveness, all of that is still to be determined. so, it was really critical here is that the president is saying he's not going to give up, that this fight is not over, and that he was really, exceptionally disappointed with this conservative majority courts. here's a little bit more of what he had to say on this yesterday. >> let's be clear, some of the same elected republicans, members of congress, who strongly opposed release to students got hundreds of thousands of dollars themselves in relief.

members of congress. because of the businesses, they were able to keep open. several members of congress cut over 1 million dollars. all those loans are forgiven, and a kid making 60,000 bucks, trying to pay back his bills, as clean for $10,000 in relief, come on. the hypocrisy is stunning. >> that's a clear preview of how we think the president is going to message this heading into the 2024 campaign. i think you can expect his top officials to be making this contrast, insistently, arguing that this is what is at stake, also, in the next election, lindsey. but we should also remind everybody that those student loan payments are set to resume later this year, even though the administration is going to try to give people resuming those payments a little bit of cushion for about 12 months or so. >> monika, i want to switch gears to ask you about another -- we're following. the president was asked during those remarks about a new

report on the afghanistan troop withdrawal and the aftermath. what did the report say and what was his response? >> this is a state department report. so, this does come from the biden administration, and it is highly critical of what happened in august of 2022 in a very chaotic and deadly withdrawal from afghanistan. but it doesn't just point the finger at the president and some top officials, but it also talks about his predecessor, former president donald trump, that both administrations, this report says, failed to really accurately be able to predict just how chaotic and the withdrawal would've been from afghanistan during either of those administrations, and that one other major factors that contributed to this, according to the report, is that the state department itself didn't really identify who was taking the lead in some cases, specifically with regard to the airport. we all remember those scenes you just saw play out there, so that, again, it's why it's looking not just at the scope of this review, but also, that

both administrations just didn't have enough senior level consideration of worst case scenarios for this. this is something the president has repeatedly defended his decision-making on saying he didn't want to extend what was already america's longest war. lindsey? >> right, monica alba, thank you. and for more on the supreme court's landmark decisions, i want to bring in nbc news supreme court reporter, lawrence hurly. so lawrence, thanks for being with us today. you know, instructing down affirmative action, dustin clarence thomas defended what he called the colour-blind constitution, seeking quote, to clarify that all forms of discrimination based on race, including so-called affirmative action, are prohibited under the constitution. meanwhile, justice ketanji brown jackson wrote in her dissent, deeming race irrelevant in law does not make it so in life. how does each side characterize their position? >> yeah, this just shows the huge stock differences that exist in the law and probably,

in society as a whole. along how the constitution handles race and specifically, how the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment, which, of course, was enacted after the civil war to ensure that freed black people had equal rights, what a sent does that mean the law is equal to everyone which that is the story, which is the position taking by justice thomas, or whether there is a promise of equality there, that they are, for there's some room to allow for measures like affirmative action, that would allow black people to get some sort of, a step up, that would help them to get a quality. which justice thomas does not think is lawful. but obviously, justice jackson sinks very much is. >> let's talk about another big case, the big one involving a christian web designer, just to sort of sonoma your wrote in her dissent, the immediate symbolic effect of the decision is to mark jason lesbians, for second class status. lawrence, because this case was

based on hypothetical harm in the future, are you getting a sense from legal experts they're worried about potential broader implications down the road? >> yeah, i think with any big supreme court decision like this, you never really know how broadly it's going to flow until you get, you know, some more cases that come along, and some real world impacts to show how far it could go. so, in the future, depending on how this is applied, you could get some cases, you can imagine, everyone can imagine talking around the dinner table of examples of these creative professionals, you know, what does that include? does that include, you know, in mixologist at a cocktail bar who can turn, say no, i'm not going to make a drink for you because i don't believe in the message that that can face? which is basically what the court saying? here what professions are going to be included in this, beyond web designers? and so, there's bound to be more cases in that issued, probably, will get up to the supreme court again. >> lawrence hurley, thank you for your time. >> thank you. >> that man taking credit for the conservative makeup of the court, donald trump, it's

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clear humongous crowd in pickens, south carolina, on this saturday. what he has done is changed the framework of the investigations in the indictments and charges against him. saying this is efforts to take over the country in its own words. he says if we lose, they take over is complete. i want to let hear a little bit more of him to get a taste of his message to the republicans who are here in this crowd today. >> our enemies want to stop me because i am the only one who can stop them. if these corrupt persecution's empire people succeed, vein will completely take over this country. this country will be taken over by these lunatics. and destroyed your way of life forever, and you know when that happens, there's no coming back. it'll be gone. >> he went on to say quote, they want to take away my freedom because i'll never let them take away your freedom

here. for donald trump, you saw it in the polling that you outlined there, he has built a solid base of support ever since he launched his 2024 bid in november, and right now, there is no clear indicator that any of these other candidates, ron desantis or, look, we're in the state of nikki haley in thomas scott in south carolina. any of them are building the counter movement. we are seven months away from the iowa caucus, new hampshire primary, a lot can happen between now and then, but these republican opponents of his potentially thought that there could be an opening, comes some indictments. but so, far here in the summer of 2023, that's not the case at this point, lindsey. >> for all we know, he's waiting on truth social that has the president mentioned anything today about the wide ranging impacts of the supreme court rulings to solve this? week >> so far here today he has not. he was in philadelphia at a moms for liberty event, in which he promoted the fact that the three major rulings on the supreme court this week or due in part because of the three

supreme court justices that he nominated, and or ultimately put on to the supreme court to give it a 63 conservative majority, for so often, we've talked about the idea of the supreme court being separate from our politics, but donald trump is inherently made it a part of our politics in not only in the 2020 election, but so far now, he said if he put me back in the white house, we will further ensure that the supreme court is able to continue to make decisions that favor conservatives. and when you have seen here from that speak is very much about celebratory victory lap for him, and what he says the board of conservatives, by sticking by him, and he hoped he was able to follow the promises he made to them in 2016. lindsey? >> vaughn hillyard, thank you. still ahead trump's newest defense tactic in his classified documents case. former u.s. attorney barbara mcquade joins me on that, coming up, plus, despite the end of affirmative action, how students will be able to

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1400 people. injuries to almost 80 police officers. and d.c. news foreign correspondent josh lederman is tracking all of these events. so josh tell us about this latest wave of unrest. it's growing more violent. what's going on? >> you are right, lindsey. every night for the last four nights, authorities have put more resources on the streets and more restrictions in place, and yet every night, we've seen these protests grow bigger and bigger. in many cases, more violent. part of what's happening here is that this incident has really taken on a life beyond simply the killing of nahel an, this 17-year-old, said to be of north african descent. just like we've seen with many of these protests after police killings in the united states, this has taken on symbolic significance for many french citizens who have had long standing concerns about what they say is racism and discrimination by the french police, particularly they say, targeted at immigrants, targeted at people of middle eastern and north african descent.

but allegations, of course, of the french government denies. what of what we're also seeing is that as these protests and riots have taken on a life of their own, other people have gotten involved,, and we've seen other types of violence. for example, looting last night in marseille, where there was a gun store or firearms were actually stolen. there wasn't apple store in strasburg that was also ransacked, it's difficult to tell whether those actions were by protesters, or perhaps, by other people who saw an opportunity to exploit the situation and cause some mayhem, but it speaks to the level of chaos and uncertainty right now on the streets of france. >> josh, the mayor of marseille is calling on the federal government to deploy more troops, and he summit lawn forsman is getting this unrest under control anytime soon? >> well they're certainly doing their best. so far in marseille, for example, as of two pm today, just a couple of hours ago, here in europe, all demonstrations, all protests have been banned until early tomorrow morning. so police trying to essentially

keep people off the streets in the first place so that there will not be these kinds of violent riots overnight. they've also shut down all public buses and trams as of nine pm before nightfall, as they try to get a handle on the situation. but so, for those types of measures don't seem to be working. we're seeing a lot of this being instigated and fomented on social media, which is a big concern of the french government. so, it remains to be seen whether tonight will hopefully be calm, or less violence than the previous nights, but certainly authorities trying to do everything. they can't just stop at putting 45,000 police officers on the streets as they try to get a hold of this situation, lindsey. >> all right josh lederman, thank you for that update. coming up, the potential political impacts of this week's supreme court decisions on the 2024 election. and hazy skies over new york city. the same for much of the northeast, as we see poor air conditions again, and the self seeing stitch triple digit temps. with all this case, all the seat, what do the july 4th

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are facing brutal heat and much of the country, so joining us now, nbc news meteorologist with the forecast. but first, we're going to go to nbc news correspondent priscilla toward learns and new orleans at the french quarter. priscilla, all week, i feared how -- talk about how bad it is in new orleans. there's also the essence festival going on, thousands of

people go to that, what is it like? there >> yeah, lindsey, it is a scorcher out here right now. new orleans could potentially set a new record for heat today, and it's expected to feel somewhere around like 115 degrees this weekend. so, incredibly hot. and as you mentioned, there's folks that are coming in from out of town, may not be used to this heat. a lot of folks walking to the convention center, to attend that festival and really having to be out in the thick of this heat, so officials wanting to make people make sure people realize how high it is and the courage of them to stay hydrated, and if you can, stay in the air conditioning and we've talked to some folks who have been out here about how they're coping with the heat, and they want to play some of that conversation. >> just more cautious now of standing in the shade, so make sure you stay in the shade, because i'm older now. i can't really be in the heat. so, i'm still going to come, still going to concerts, still walking. i'm going to lift more, now so,

i don't have to walk as far. we used to take those walks. we used to lift to get us to this point, and that we would rock around. >> and you hear there, this is something that folks are thinking about, which is incredibly important because we know that already, this heat test turned deadly. in the past two weeks, at least 13 people across texas and louisiana have died as a result of heat related illnesses. so, a really big concern, especially this holiday weekends, with folks out on bourbon, at the beach potentially, drinking into this heat. really wanting to make sure that folks stay hydrated. lindsey? >> houston city dealing with? this their police headquarters has been close because of air conditioning issues, right? >> yeah, that's is a concern. whenever it gets this hot, right? the ac, it's going to work? at the headquarters the air conditioning was not working. it was not. safe so, the city says that that building has been closed. they are operating out of their police buildings that they have here, so, still trying to get the work of the city done, but

it's certainly been a challenge. we know that in terms of preparing for this weekend, they are going to keep all of the city pools open through the 4th of july holiday, so folks have a place that they can go to cool off. they're also making sure that ems is fully staffed and able to handle any influx of issues that might come as they are bracing for what it's going to be like here over the next couple of days as folks in the south just continue to deal with this record breaking heat. >> okay priscilla thompson, you and your crew stay cool as well. angie, who's experiencing the heat and haze, one can we get relief from both? are we talking about no barbecues? are we talking about people enjoying inside? >> it really depends on where you are. we're going to see some relief from both the heat and the haze, lindsey, but we've got to wait a couple of days. it's not going to be immediate, suffering or talk about. he'd be so that 60 million people under these heat alerts. so places like little rock, jackson, new orleans, where you saw priscilla, meanwhile, out west, we've got those alerts as well for parts of the desert southwest. really warm temperatures that have surged, in many places,

including parts of california that are seeing some of the warmest temperatures this year so far. 110 for fresno, 108 for bakersfield, later this afternoon, 112 for redding, we could see a record there by later this afternoon. meanwhile, as we go through the next couple of days, we're going to slowly but surely get to more normal temperatures. that really doesn't happen until tuesday and some of these spots. las vegas is going to head to 111 on sunday, monday, 112, and the time you get to fourth of july in palm springs, it will be 112 degrees. we're still really warm through the next couple of days, out west. meanwhile, in parts of the southeast, 98 degrees for nashville, but feeling like 109. 107 for what it feels like in montgomery, in new orleans, as to 108. that's the temperatures for today, we move a little farther to the east and see the warmer temperatures for tomorrow, but it feels a lot better when it's 95, and only 104 in memphis to what we're dealing with today, but it's still not great. we're still going to see these really warm temperatures as we round out the weekend. by the time we get to monday in the southeast, we'll finally see a cold front work through

and nicer conditions will have settled in. meanwhile, in parts of the northeast and midwest, we'll see pretty normal temperatures. when it comes to the air quality we've seen major improvements. still 65 million people under these air quality alerts, but notice we don't see quite as much of that red on the map. these numbers have really improved especially in places like new york, philadelphia, where a lot of people are still out and about this weekend. or talking moderate air quality, so it's in no way the best but -- places like upstate new york, vermont, still dealing with some questionable conditions. we will see more improvements when it comes to that by the time but weekend and, zelenskyy. winds will switch. it will have a little relief, and then it comes to the air quality as well. >> good news there, andy, thank you so much. the supreme court's decision to strike down affirmative action was met with praise from those who brought the case, claiming it undermines civil rights laws. >> the polarizing, stigmatizing, and unfair jurisprudence that allowed colleges anti universities to use a students

race and ethnicity as a factor to either admit them or reject them has been overruled. today's decision, has started a new chapter in the saga of the history of asian americans in this country. >> meanwhile, in a scathing dissent, justice ketanji brown jackson, the first black woman on the court, wrote if the colleges of this country are required to ignore a thing that matters, it will not just go away, it will take longer for racism to leave us. and ultimately, ignoring race just makes it mattered more. i do want to note, judge jackson, who attended harvard, reproduced herself from that side of the case but participated in the nyc case. -- north carolina's state university a number of the naacp youth at college division. thank you for being with us. what do you think is misunderstood about affirmative action, and also, how do you think this will impact students of color applying to colleges? >> oh, yes. thank you for that question.

honestly, like, it's really really just a very hard thing to kind of grasp. i think a lot of people to understand the effects that this can have. but in short, i do feel as though there will be an influx of students applying, black cauldron universities, or this already a lot of -- when it comes to housing at hbcu, specifically. so overall, i just think there's going to be an influx of problems when we have and see a larger edmonton's right to hbcus. >> this decision caused many people to point that privilege students can still get a leg up in the application process, especially children of alumni or donors as part of this case it was discovered that harvard admitted 34% of legacy

applicants, compared to an overall admissions rate of 4.6%. it also found that 43% of white students at harvard were athletes or legacy applicants. what is your reaction to this statistic? >> really, i mean, it's kind of like something obvious. for a person who was aiming to have the access to attend the school at harvard, i would obviously, you know, want my children to follow down the same footsteps. families have been going to their for generations in america. it is kind of just a little hard whenever i see people like me that are not being given those same opportunities, and you, now legislation says as affirmative action was a way to help that. but now it's been overturned you know, it's going to make it that much harder for people of color, for minorities to really be able to go to college.

and just see their faces, and see other people with those faces. >> all right. we'll go ahead and have to leave it here. jaheim mcrae, thank you so much for your time. >> thank you. >> for more i'm joined by two members of former members of congress, rather, max rose, democrat from new york, and joe walsh, republican from illinois. good to see both of you. so, max, according to the new york times, the court's decision could fuel broader outreach to the working class voters who have drifted away from the party because of what they see as elitism. do you agree? >> yeah, i don't think that this one ruling, and there's been plenty of democrats in congress that have supported this point, i don't think this one ruling in and of itself is going to be that politically salient, come 2024. that's not to say that it is an incredibly critical, unjust, egregious, and will have significant ramifications as it pertains to the perpetuation of racial injustice.

but as the democratic party walks this very fine line of both proportion, correctly, so to say that they are in favor of working class issues, bread and butter issues, lowering the price of essential goods expanding the middle class, while at the same time, fighting for democracy, preserving the constitution, it will be absolutely essential that they speak to this issue as well as the infrastructure bill, the chips bill, lowering inflation, and all the like. it seems at this point, they are doing exactly that. but just one last point on this, front this ruling, and these rulings, can't just be looked at in a silo. they polite people, of the overruling. of roe, they remind people of the constant assault on civil rights by this supreme court. and yes, by the republican party, which has empowered these radicals on the supreme court. and i think that is what the democratic party will continue to emphasize for the next year?

>> joe, do you agree with max that is not as politically salient as a transitions we've seen like dobbs. ? i want to point to a poll here and nbc news poll from april showing a majority of americans, 53%, say affirmative action programs are still needed. >> yeah lindsey, i think, especially these three rulings this week, again, the substance of the rulings aside, because max and i would probably disagree on the substance of these rulings, politically, i think it's a wash, except for maxes broader point, which is i think the affirmative action ruling, i think the student loan ruling, politically, will help energize young people and voters of color. and i think as max said, regarding you know, the dobbs ruling last, year i think politically speaking, again, this will help democrats in that they are upset with these rulings. and generally, when you're upset with what the courts are doing, that tends to galvanize

you. so again, substance aside, politically, i think these rulings will help democrats next year. >> max, what legislative work-arounds do you see your former colleagues trying to do in the wake of these rulings? >> so first of all, there's significant executive action that could be carried out. i think it is very important as well for democrats to continue to push legislation which highlights the fact that we still do have affirmative action in the united states of america, it's just a progressive action that supports those whose parents went to elite universities, or whose parents are donors, or who are athletes. and if they are going to strike down one element of affirmative action that seeks to address racial injustice, then of course, there should be legislation pushed to address those other elements of affirmative action. but of course, in the end as well, this all comes back to the filibuster. this all comes back to the fact that the senate has, is

unnecessarily handcuffed from addressing these issues, because of a 60 vote threshold. and that will be a critical issue going forward, as we try to convince more and more senators to vote to overturn the filibuster, so that when the democrats truly do control each of the wronwer, the house, the senate, and the executive branch, that this can be addressed. >> joe, keeping with 2020 for politics here, chris christie appeared to take on ron desantis, the florida governor is asked during a town hall this week about donald trump's actions on january six, here is his answer. i wasn't anywhere near washington that day. i have nothing to do with what happened that day. obviously, i didn't enjoy seeing, you know, what happened. but we've got to go forward on this stuff, we cannot be looking backwards and be mired in the past. this was christy's response. >> if he wasn't anywhere near washington, did he have a tv? we'll see a life that day? did he see what was going on?

i mean that's one of the most ridiculous answers i've heard. in this race so far. you don't have an opinion about january six? except to say i didn't particularly enjoy what happens? people were killed! i would say it's one of the most disgraceful days in american history, and that the president was principally responsible for it. >> joe, what's your reaction to that exchange? >> chris, look, chrissy is spot on, lucy. what a horrible cowardly, emphasize that, what a cowardly answer by ron desantis! look, here's that deal with all these republicans. the field is huge, not because of any weakness they feel about donald trump, a bunch of republicans got into this race because ron desantis is a horribly week number two! so they're all in hoping maybe something, eventually, takes trump out. and they think they can be the alternative to trump, because desantis is an incredibly weak

alternative. but let, see if that remind everybody, every indictment strengthens donald trump. donald trump is running away with this nomination right now. >> former congressman max rose and joan walsh. we'll have to leave it there, thank you. still ahead, invading hospital rooms, have a new immigration law in florida that is going into effect today is making some big changes in that state. and next, the reporting on ukraine's plan to end the war and take back russian claimed territory, all before the end of the year. . year. business internet. they have business grade internet, nationwide. (vo) make the switch. it's your business. it's your verizon. meet the portable blender we can barely keep in stock. blendjet 2 gives you ice-crushing, big blender power on-the-go. so you can blend up a mouthwatering smoothie, protein shake, or latte wherever you are! recharge quickly with any usb port.

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could take substantial territory by fall. they hope to move artillery and missile systems to the brighter of crimea, push further into eastern ukraine, and then reopen cease-fire talks with moscow. nbc news foreign correspondent kelly cobiella is into dnipro, ukraine. where do things stand with the counteroffensive? >> well, there was more, there were more air raid sirens. there's more shelling again today as the fighting continues along that 600-mile front line in the south and east. russian shells hit residential area in the city of kherson today, according to that region's governor. he said the shells hit a house, that a nine year old girl and a 15 year old boy were both injured in that shelling. both are being medically treated. you said both did survive. but that city has been the target of heavy shelling for some time, ever since the ukrainians we took it from the russians late last year. again, it's very close to the front lines, and it does get it

quite frequently. it's also in an area where the deputy defense minister said the ukrainians have made some gains in the past couple of weeks. meantime, the u.s. now considering giving ukraine cluster munitions. these are controversial weapons, but the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, general mark milley, said the u.s. has been thinking about this for a long time. he made those comments at the national press association yesterday. he said the russians are using them in ukraine. he said other ukrainian allies are already providing this country with those weapons, so that is now in play, in terms of the u.s. as well. and this follows my colleague, courtney kube's reporting on thursday. she cited u.s. officials in saying that those weapons could be provided as early as this month. lindsey? >> wow. kelly, republican presidential candidate for her facet mike pence was in ukraine this week, a surprise visit to the zone. what did he say? >> that's right.

very first gop presidential candidate to visit this country to meet with the president, volodymyr zelenskyy. he said he was here because he wanted to show to americans why it's important, in his view, to support the war in ukraine. here's a little bit of what he said to nbc's natasha burns. >> what vladimir putin is realizing today is that this unjustified and unwarranted invasion if ukraine is simply the fighting his nation further. and for my part, i since today that the division that we see across the border in russia is lifting the morale of soldiers here in ukraine. i think now more than ever, america and freedom of other nations in the world should come alongside and ensure that the ukrainian military have what they need to repel the russian invasion, restore their sovereignty. >> the former vice president

does have some work to do when it comes to convincing republican primary voters. a recent poll showed that 52% of gop primary voters would be less likely to support someone who is in favor of giving ukraine more funding and more weapons. lindsey? >> kelly cobiella thank you so much. coming up at the top of the hour, outrage from some young voters over this week's decision from the supreme court. >> no regard for the actual, lived experience. >> i don't have a lot of comments in the supreme court right now. >> what's next on president biden's push to forgive federal student loans. and after the break, shifting his defense. what former president trump is saying about the secretly recorded audio where he's heard seemingly showing off classified documents. and you know i didn't. it makes my running shoe look like new.

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want to take away my freedom because i will never let them take away your freedom. i will never let it happen. they want to silence me because i will never let them silenced you. and in the and, they are not after me, there after you, and i just happened to be standing in their way. it's an honor to do so. >> donald trump moments ago, in south carolina not pulling back on the emotional -- multiple negotiations that we have. it's a comes at a point of time the former president's legal cases move forward against him, including the mar-a-lago classified documents case. joining me now to discuss, former u.s. attorney and msnbc legal analyst, barbara mcquade. barbara, thank you for being with us. busy week for you, of course. trump's latest claim is that he wasn't sure enough any classified documents, as heard on that 2021 audio that nbc news acquired earlier this week. it was just bravado, he said.

this is after he went on truth social and said documents were planted, so how do these changing defenses go over in court? >> it's the reason, lindsey, that lawyers always tell the clients not to speak when they have been charged with a crime to save it for court, because they want to put together a cohesive story that they can share with the jury. when you have changing stories, just to match whatever happens to be in the news cycle that day, is what prosecutors referred to as consciousness of guilt. if there was one, true defense, it would stick to the same story. but to say first, they were planted, and then, they have the ability to declassify them and, well, it wasn't really classified documents, and it was just bravado. all of that suggests a person is not telling the truth. so that trial, all these statements are -- biometric prosecutors are gathering these recordings so they can play them for the jury, and it will help build the case. >> abc news is reporting that susie wildes, and influential a pro quicken strategist and top trump aide has been identified in jackson's indictment as the

person that trump display declassify map to. cnn is reporting she spent several times with prosecutors. nbc news hasn't independently confirmed this, but barbara, that sounds like she is cooperating? >> yes. i don't know if she is, the person who is identified there as his representative, but i think it is safe to say that's not only is she cooperating, but also the people who were in the room at bedminster are cooperating. if you look at the language of the indictment, they don't just say he said these things, they say he showed them documents. you need a witness to tell you that he showed some documents. so, these clearly are witnesses, someone who was in the room, who can describe what happened. i think one thing that's really important to keep in mind is at trial, a cheery for just have the benefit of hearing the recording at bedminster. we'll hear from lee are, live witnesses who were there. so the idea that this is just bravado and it wasn't even a classified document will get to hear from the witnesses who

will say why is they saw, whether they had markings on them whether it was -- someone else who was in the room. there's a witness who was sharing information, no doubt. >> i want to pivot to the january six investigation. the new york times is reporting that rudy giuliani, rather, voluntarily sat down with federal prosecutors investigating trump. that meeting was described as a proper agreement. what does that mean? >> yeah, a proffer is kind of a prelude to a pre-agreement so prosecutors want to test drive the evidence before they give witness any benefit. before they could give him any province of leniency, or promise not to charge, lesser charges, they want to hear what they have to say. so, a proffer letter is usually put forward that the parties agreed to, and it usually says, you are going to come. and you're going to tell us the truth. and an exchange, we promised not to use it against do anything you tell us in that session. but if you lie to us, then but deal is off, and we can use all those things. then usually, if that goes well and prosecutors learn

information that's helpful, a pre agreement is answered. rudy giuliani is the former prosecutor. he knows how it works, and he seems to be on the first step towards cooperation. >> i've got to be quick with the on this left one, but i want to ask you about the new york t.a.s case. that judge there hinting he will likely keep it in state court. he's going to issue a written ruling within two weeks. it means the case would remain before the same judge same local judge, who sentence the trump organization for tax fraud earlier this year. how significant is it going to be for the case to stay in state court versus federal, and to be before that judge? >> i think the main thing is it will reduce any undue delay. the reason to move into a federal judge will be because the acts pertain to a federal officer but all the allegations they were like donald trump is a businessman are occurring before he became president nothing in the scope of his role as president, so, it's in the right place, and it will avoid undue delay by keeping it there. >> barbara mcquade, as always, thank you so much for joining us. we've got a lot more coming up. you are watching msnbc. our second hour starts right

now. now. welcome back. i am lindsey reiser in for yasmin vossoughian. supreme backlash. reactions coming fast and furious over a series of rulings by the supreme court on affirmative action, student loan debt, and lgbtq rights. >> i do not have a lot of confidence in the supreme court right now. i have felt that for quite some time. >> it is just -- all of it is infuriating. the supreme court would just decide, well, yeah. this doesn't work. there is just no regard for the actual lived experience experiences of people, what this is going to do to people. i am livid. >> coming, up we will talk to representatives james clyburn and judy chu over the impact of the supreme court decisions plus we will look at. the scathing new review on the withdrawal from afghanistan. how it