now. welcome back. i am lindsey reiser in for yasmin vossoughian. supreme backlash. reactions coming fast and furious over a series of rulings by the supreme court on affirmative action, student loan debt, and lgbtq rights. >> i do not have a lot of confidence in the supreme court right now. i have felt that for quite some time. >> it is just -- all of it is infuriating. the supreme court would just decide, well, yeah. this doesn't work. there is just no regard for the actual lived experience experiences of people, what this is going to do to people. i am livid. >> coming, up we will talk to representatives james clyburn and judy chu over the impact of the supreme court decisions plus we will look at. the scathing new review on the withdrawal from afghanistan. how it blames both the biden

and trump administration. and the immigration law is taking effect into florida. we could have extreme consequences. just one of 200 new laws in the state that could change peoples lives. that is coming up. lgbtq rights advocates are condemning one of yesterday's key decisions from the supreme court. the court sided with a colorado web designer who said she had a first amendment right to refuse service to same-sex couples. in the majority opinion justice gorsuch wrote the tolerance, not coercion, is our nations answer. the first amendment envisions the united states of a rich and complex place where all persons are free to think and speak as they wish, not as the government demands. in her dissenting opinion justice sotomayor called the decision heartbreaking. compared it to discrimination that blacks faced before the civil rights movement. she writes, quote, the immediate symbolic effect to the decision is to marquise and that means for a second class status. in this way, the decision itself inflicts a kind of stigmatic harm, on top of any

harm caused by denials of service. nbc's marissa park spoke with the web designer at the heart of the case. she joins me now in washington d.c.. what did that would designer tell you? >> so let me first set the scene for you. it has been a busy couple of days here in washington d.c.. we have been speaking to a number of people, including lori smith, who was at the center of all of this. we've been speaking with people on the ground here. we are right in from the national mall. a lot of people, a lot of opinions on what is happening here in d.c.. let's start with lori smith. obviously the short and simple answer is she says that she is willed with the decision. the supreme court siding with her on this. we all had a chance to speak with the legal director, gender justice in minnesota. you're gonna hear from them in just a moment. you are going to hear two very opposing opinions. satsuma actions to this. one of joy, of course, from lori smith and her legal team in those who side with her. of course, one that was described to me as not surprising but nonetheless disappointing.

take a listen. >> since the start of my business many years ago i have served people from all walks of life. i've clients who identify as lgbt she. what i would say to them is this, this case is always been about speech. one speech is concerned, speech should be protected. >> no one really wants to go about their lives thinking, if i go to this place. if i go to this restaurant, if i go to the store, and we're gonna be turned away for who i am? the court seems to say, well, that is just a part of life. >> i know we are almost out of time here but i do want to point out one thing. remember, colorado is at the heart of all of this with the supreme court decision. that lawsuit was filed and there are 29 other states around the country lindsay that have similar antidiscrimination laws just like colorado did. it will be interesting to see what happens in those states moving forward. >> talking to folks as you mention about some of the rules. here what did they tell you? >> yes. the big one today.

a big top point is the student loan decision. remember, president biden had hopes that 40 million borrowers would be able to have student loan debt forgiven. upwards of $20,000. you're going to hear from a lot of people that we spoke to here on the national mall. both yesterday and today. they have a lot of opinions on the different sides of this. take a listen to what they had to say. >> my instinct is it was messed up. they should've given student loan forgiveness to people. >> does this decision impact your family at all? >> yes. i have over $200,000 in student loans. i want to north american university. both private and government loans. i am still paying them. >> do you think they should've gone through congress? >> i think so. i think it was done an implemented very poorly to begin with. i think that there should be

some program in place to cap team out of that you have to pay back. i think that it should've been down through congress or through some form of proposal. one that wasn't so easily struck down. >> a couple of quick points of observation. it is probably no surprise that the people were upset by this often did seem to have their own sphere loan debt or their child student loan debt that they were still trying to figure out. the people who didn't mind had already paid there's often have to worry about it to begin with. a couple of other things. we do know that according to the u.s. department of education. in september is when the interest is going to be starting back up again. those payments start at the start of october. lindsey? >> melissa parra. thank you. speaking of student loan forgiveness. president biden says he is starting over. his new vision allows the education secretary to take action in some cases to ease or wave loans. borrowers we get the chance to enroll in a temporary 12 months

on ramp repayment program that removes the threat of default. the president says no borrower will need to pay more than 5% of their discretionary income on undergraduate loans down from the previous cap of 10% each month. >> the new path is legally sound. it is going to take longer. but in my view it remains the best path to provide relief for as many hours as possible. i'm not gonna still fighting to deliver to borrowers with the need. if particular those at the bottom end of the economic scale. >> with me now is rachel brooks. an administrator at a los angeles. school also they l.a. chair of the union of debtors. thank you for being with us. this is personal for you. would you mind sharing how much your debt load is? >> yes, it is very personal for me. i'm a mom, i have two kids that want to go to college. i'm a first generation college graduate. a lot of the things that i

navigated going to causative i had to learn and your my own. there was no blueprint for me. i remember going into the financial aid office and then telling me, don't worry about. a sign here and college paid for. because you're going into education, you're going in a public service, you won't have to worry about paying it back. now i have about $215,000 in student loan debt. >> why are you told that you would have to pay it back? >> because a public service loan forgiveness. the idea was you go, go teach for ten years. i'm teaching in south central los angeles, right? being in a title i school. if you teach for ten years the idea that was sold to me was that my dad would be forgiven. >> where are you in? that is that still a possibility for you? >> so, public service loan forgiveness is still a possibility. i know that based on the history of the program over 99% of applicants have been denied for public service loan forgiveness. but that is not something that

i am not trying. now all of the payments during the pandemic will count towards the public service loan forgiveness. i'm still working in south central. it should be fine. >> we have talked about your personal story here. what is your reaction to the supreme court ruling in the impacts of this will happen so many people? >> i always like to reiterate that this is a racial justice issue. this is a gender issue. the average black power graduating with a bachelor degree owns $55,000 of student loan debt. their balance actually grows after they graduate. even while they are paying on the principle. $20,000 went out on a loan from i turned $50,000 -- it would've made a difference in the monthly loan payment. we are looking at $120 a month and savings if that was passed. now this is going to impact poor people more than anybody. it is going to impact black people. we are living through policy implementation that will leave

to the widening of racial disparities throughout this nation. in 5 to 10 years we are gonna see a. not only can i not afford to pay for mind occasion. i also don't have a clue how, in three, years i'm gonna pay for my own kids education. it is disheartening. i guess that is the best way to put a. i really feel hopeless. disheartened by. and i really feel like i question, does my life matter in this country? based on what i saw yesterday over the last couple days it is really difficult -- >> michelle brooks. i appreciate you coming on and sharing feelings with us. congratulations on all of your accomplishments. still to come in 60 seconds a consensus of a new report blaming both president bidens and former president trump's state departments for the chaotic evacuation of afghanistan in 2021. how president biden is responding, next.

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the u.s. withdrawal from afghanistan. it is not paint a pretty picture of american planning. the report from the biden menstruation found the state department failed to do enough planning before the collapse of the u.s.-backed government in afghanistan. the review blames both the government administration as well as the biden ministration for the lack of preparation. the deputy assistant of. joel, i remember the scenes. well you and i were on the air live together as we are watching things unfold. what is your reaction to this report? >> lindsey, it is great to be with you. you are right, it is very disheartening. a very difficult moment to watch. the end of the american war and afghanistan. i think what this points to this report is first and foremost it is crucial to have an assessment on. . it is a testament to this

administration to actually engage and look back on what did and did not work. second, the afghan government if you return prior to the withdrawal. don't plan for us to collapse. don't talk about. it i was at a dinner the president of afghanistan at the time. he said, be quiet. don't tell the administration anything about collapsing. we have it under control. there is a real crucial component here. what we saw and how much we defer to tasha ghani and the withdraw and the withdrawal will double afghanistan's that was a significant achievement all within the context of americans being tired of being in afghanistan. broaden and ghana stan. >> when asked about the report president biden was to find he said that he was right about it. do you think that he is missing an opportunity to make that mistakes were made?

>> i think it is important to point out that there was an effective pivot when it came to counterterrorism. there has been an ongoing effort to strike back at al-qaeda. individuals who may show their face, amid the hillary being one, in afghanistan. the president of the need to apologize for his empathy when it comes to the american servicemen and women. he has been a long time champion at veterans and our armed forces in service members. he executed a very effective withdrawal of our forces when it was clear that the afghan government collapsed. it is important to compared to what we are seeing in ukraine. -- >> joel, i just have to push back a little bit. looking at these images. when you are never watching this unfold. it was affective in some of the ways you are describing but looking at the images on your screen. people may take real issue with that. >> absolutely. when you see images like this,

it is clearly a disastrous look. without a doubt. but it doesn't mean that it was a disastrous decision. it doesn't mean that it was a mistaken decision. frankly, the hand that president biden was handed -- the policy was developed by president trump who essentially decimated the state department. i hope the document spoke to. that they had no transition plan. there is no transition from the biden team. who was engaging in domestic insurrection, was president trump. they had to claw together as much as possible with a short amount of time. it was going to be difficult. it was made worse by the truncated decision by president trump to have both withdraw in a very narrow time window. we appreciate the conversation >> good to see you still had could frustration over the supreme court strike down of affirmative action helped democrats politically. i'm gonna ask representative james clyburn about that coming

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supreme court. the affirmative action is really important. the reason it's in is because the liberals continue to try to put minority down. >> we saw yesterday the supreme court uphold the constitution. saying no racial discrimination in college admissions.

in florida that have been our law. we didn't allow it. it is not gonna impact us. we are colour-blind mission. >> that is just some of the reaction to the supreme court ruling on affirmative action from the republican campaign trail. supreme court decisions on affirmative action, student loan debt, and lgbtq+ rights have put new focus on what president biden and democrats plan to do. -- bringing in assistant democratic leaner and congresswoman jenny chu who made history of the first asian woman elected to congress. she shares the i'm a -- congressional caucus. first to you. what do you fear the impact of this affirmative action review will be when it comes to african american representation in higher education? >> thank you very much for having me. first of, all i do believe that when this was an ill conceived decision by the supreme court.

this is the history of. . there is one way to repair the. many of us benefited from it. idea, clarence thomas didn't. i must say that the father of the former governor south carolina did, as well. he worked in an african american institution. down in south carolina when you can get a job anywhere else. i do think we should honor these missteps of the past. do the things necessary to correct them. one of them is allowing for the racial history of the country to be taken into account when we start handing out government

assistance. after ward were to, soldiers who came back were given the g.i. bill. they were promised a g.i. bill. they helped get them resettled. when it came to black soldiers, they did not get the jia bill. in fact, the first 3000 that were awarded in mississippi, only to. not 2%, one and two, went to african americans. they get this benefit. the whites were given the. they went to harvard, yale, other colleges and universities. then they pass on all of that in the form of legacies. what happened to the legacy of the black soldier who was in the same foxhole with them? did not get in. what legacy will that soldier pass on to his or her children? that is the fallacy here. what are we doing to correct that? that is what affirmative action

is all about. that is what lyndon johnson was saying back in 1965 when he passed the elementary secondary education act. medicaid, medicare, the harvard education act. 65. all of these were things that were put in place to correct those inequities of the past and for us to -- those of us who have benefited from affirmative action, like me, or forced to snap the lateral. others, it is just not fair. >> representative chu, one of the cases argue that asian american students are harmed by affirmative action. you support these programs. you say that their loss will hurt the aapi community. why? >> it is because we are not a monolith. we are far from a mandala. in fact the studies clearly show that there is a long ways

to go for pacific islanders, southeast asians. many of whom do not finish high school, or college. they need affirmative action in order to be able to get the education that they so deserve. i am afraid that asians, asian pacific islanders, we're used as wedges by right wing extremists who were looking for a group to rested their case on. it was based on hearsay. stereotypes. they submitted this case to the supreme court. as a result they were able to get the supreme court decision that they did. we are going backwards. this is why i am so dismayed by this decision. why i am immediately came out with my try caucus colleagues to condemn in.

to say, this is not right. after so many decades of precedents. upholding race as one of the elements of consideration in admission to the elitist colleges. >> president biden talked about the issue of reforming the court in an interview with our own nicole wallace this week. i want to play a little bit of that. >> do you worry that without court reform this conservative majority is too young and too conservative? that they might do too much harm? >> i think they may do too much harm. i think if we start the process of trying to expand the court, we are gonna politicize a maybe, forever. in a way that is not healthy. >> representative clyburn, do you agree? >> i understand president biden. this is a long term prospect. you have to pass both houses of the congress. they would be a lot of politics

involved in all of that. that would not happen overnight. in fact, it may not happen at all. we would have to get around many issues, like the filibuster. especially in the senate. i understand why he doesn't want to get into that. the fact of the matter is that this court is very political. oh yeah have to do is look at the case dealing with the debt limit. look at the case dealing with gay rights. these cases are political. that is exactly what they were. in fact, there wasn't even a case of controversy going on with the gay rights issue. they made it all up. i didn't know the supreme court could do hypothetical things. they ruled in this instance on something that was purely hypothetical. that is political. that is all it is. i think that president biden is right not to want to be political. the court is taking us there.

>> representative chu, as far as the polling on this issue, it can vary a bit. one nbc news found the 53% of american support affirmative action programs while 42% oppose. them following this decision you told members of the press on a phone call that you think this will galvanize voters. how so? >> now we have seen three decisions that have been voted on a 6 to 3 basis. this is a court that is going to the far right. they have taken away the ability for millions of people to get some relief from their student debt. i think that is the one that hurts the most. it will certainly galvanized people. on top of the affirmative action decision and the lgbtq+ decision it says to us that we have to get involved in this

election. it was the election of a particular president that caused three of these justices to be appointed. that amounted to this incredibly conservative weighing having these far reaching 6 to 3 decision sacco against the welfare of the american people. yes, i think this is a galvanizing moment for elections in 2024. >> representative clyburn. anything you and your colleagues are planning to do legislatively after the supreme court decisions? >> we are going to look at what president biden offered up yesterday. i applaud the administration for being ready. they had a plan b. . looking at some of what he is proposing on living repayment. annual repayments of what people have to do. when this kicks and in october. we need to codified, as much as

we possibly can. we are ratcheting up our political activity. this court is political. we must respond in kind. i do believe that representative chu is correct. it is galvanizing. i've been hearing from people all over. i know that for me they certainly incentivize me to want to do more, and quicker. >> representative jim clyburn and judy chu. thank you both for joining. may a programming note, simone sanders townsend will be speaking with mayor tanden the president's domestic policy chief about the controversial supreme court decisions. and how the administration plans to move forward. that is coming up on simone at four pm eastern only on msnbc. dangerous he is threatening 60 million people across much of the country today. the south is getting in the worst of it without feeling like triple digits in parts of the southwest and gulf coast. some areas in arizona, florida, and louisiana could hit record

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because of heat related illnesses. we know that this he can be deadly. new orleans city officials tell me they have him asked fully staff this weekend. ready to handle anything that might be happening. there are cooling sectors open here. they are planning to keep the pools open through the 4th of july weekend so folks who are here have places where they can go to cool off and hopefully avoid some of that heat. certainly a record breaking heat wave we are seeing here as we are capping off a third week of this starkey wave in the south. lindsey. >> i hope everybody stay safe. priscilla thompson, thank. you after the break, the 17 year old shot and killed by police sparking massive protests in france was laid to rest today the latest details from the funeral and calls for justice. ve nerve aches, and b-complex vitamins to fortify healthy nerves. try nervive. and, try nervive pain relieving roll-on.

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>>. you're right, lindsey. every night to government, the police, how trying to do more to quell this violence. every night these protests and riots across the country have only gotten bigger. that is really posing a big question for the government as they try to get the situation under control. one of the things we are seeing is this protest movement has really become about more than just the killing of nahel m. it is becoming an opportunity for people who have, for a very long time, in obsessed about what they perceive as racism, discrimination by police and law enforcement in france, to really make their voices heard. we have seen the escalating riots across the country. they are centered around these cause for reform within french law enforcement. we are also seeing that as this continues to expand to more and more cities, it is starting to affect pretty much every aspect of life in france. including the economy. one of the largest unions in france calling for remote work

and altered hours because of these protests. president macron of france having to postpone a planned state visit to germany to stay in france and deal with this crisis. >> the political opposition leader, marie in the pan, is calling for a state of emergency of the continues. you have soccer superstar kylian mbappé calling for the violence and. any sense of what is going to happen after tonight? >> not really. other than we are not seeing other signs that this is dying down, lindsey. in fact there have been reports today of additional rights and marseille. we are working right now to confirm exactly what may have happened in those incidents. these come despite the fact that just a few hours ago the government announced that all demonstrations and protests in marseille are banned from two pm. so four hours ago in marseille. throughout the night and into tomorrow morning. we are seeing people essentially ignore those additional members from police including those 45,000 officers

that you mention. back on the streets. tonight they will continue to make their voices heard. also to carry out some of these violent acts. so far president macron has resisted calls to declare a state of emergency. the steps that he has taken to try to reduce this violence do not appear to have been working so far. lindsey? >> josh lineman. thank you. still ahead, a concerning election theory was shot down by the supreme court this week. it stopped significant disruption in federal elections. so, what could that mean for a certain former president vying to retake the office? i will ask political reporter alexei cannon next. internet, nationwide. (vo) make the switch. it's your business. it's your verizon.

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twitter it is no accident. elon musk posted a short time ago the unverified accounts, including people not subscribed twitter blue, are now limited to reading only 600 post a day. new under fire users can only access 300 posts per day. if you are verified you can read 6000 post per day. the result? thousands of users are seeing aaron messages today. musk says the restrictions are temporary. he blames, quote, extreme levels of data scraping and system manipulation. while hollywood writers may remain on strike, hollywood actors will not be joining them on the picket line, at least now. the screen actors guild, also known as sag, has agreed to continue talks with major studios. averting a major strike for the

12 more days. the guilds contract was set to expire last night. the deadline was pushed back to july 12th of the two sides continue negotiation. keep in mind production on a lot of tv shows and movies have already seen impacts. the writer strike, now entering its third month -- >> i want to turn now to exclusive reporting from the washington post alleging former president trump tried to pressure doug doocy, then republican governor of arizona, to overturn the 2020 presidential results. three people familiar with the paul told the post that trump also asked vice president pence to pressure d.c.. pence declined. do you see said it was a rehash of previous reporting relying on, quote, shaking in questionable sources. this comes as the supreme court issued another key ruling. rejecting the so-called independent state legislature theories. it would've given nearly unchecked power to states and running elections. i want to bring in alexei mccann and political reporter

for axios an msnbc political reporter. a lot of people may have missed this, considering the other big rulings we got. the ruling we are talking about now avoids the danger of giving state legislature, essentially, unfettered power over the elections. how big are the implications could this really have urged 74? >> it is a significant decision for folks like former president trump and his allies who used the independent state legislator theory to fuel all the lawsuit to thaw over the last several months and the past couple of years. trying to overturn the elections even after 2020. this cuts off a significant legal pathway for trump and folks trying to undermine the elections once again in 2024. it certainly doesn't mean that all threats to democracy or election integrity are done. i think the call that you just mentioned with governor doocy is an important thing to point out. while state legislature has power, regardless of this

decision, it is really governors and secretaries of state who matter in overseeing these elections. as long as we have more evidence that former president trump tries to influence these governors or go around the state legislative chambers, there are still threats that exist. >> i remember when governor doocy was signing the slate of electors he got a call and it was hailed to the chief. it was reported that it was president trump was calling him while that event was being livestreamed. alexei, our own jen psaki points out about this ruling that leaves a great deal of power in the hands of federal courts, including the supreme court. are there concerns that you are hearing in liberal circles about that? >> certainly we have seen confidence in the supreme court declined. not just amongst the left but amongst the american public and survey after survey. really since the dobbs decision. the thing is, and the majority opinion though it does reject the i.s. alice theory, it does not set clear ground rules for when the federal court should

step in and intervene if they think state courts are going too far in what they are doing with election results. that, obviously, leaves some room for folks to bring up legal challenges. whether it is to have district redrawn. or the use of mail-in ballots and other measures we saw introduced by states during the covid-19 pandemic. there are other ways that the supreme court, federal, courts can still step. and it is a matter of if they will and when they decide when a state has gone too far. especially if it is a republican-controlled state like georgia or arizona. >> you mentioned public polling, public confidence in the supreme court going down. trump has seen his poll numbers go up since his indictment. south dakota governor kristi noem said she didn't see a path to victory for anyone but trump. is there a chance for any of the republican at this point? >> i love talking to republican operatives who remind me that they believe that this primary or the dynamics will change 15

times over between now and the primary election contest. the nomination contest. as you have pointed out former president trump has consistently led these polls. governor desantis has come in a clear second in poll after poll. i think other folks in the field are looking to see whether, how they can get around desantis as holding that number two spot, to then make their clear alternative case to voters about how they stand out from donald trump. he controls, as republican operatives who are not on his side like to remind me, you know, they say something like three 5% maybe 37% of the primary electorate. some republicans hold out hope that the remaining portion of the electorate will turn out and vote for someone else. but so far, no matter what has happened to trump, he has maintained this lead, and maintained the same campaign strategy. >> we've got about 30 seconds left with you. but anything about the scotus rulings that we saw this week, that really changes the needle

for either party when it comes to 2024? >> we saw when roe was overturned how democrats really galvanized many parts of their base. and ultimately, they got independent voters and swing voters because of that too. i would imagine you will see something similar independent voters reacting to this, voters of color and young voters in particular, turnout in response of how angry they are at these recent rulings. >> alexei mckenna, thank you so much for covering wide-ranging issues with us. that wraps up this hour. i am lindsay in for yasmin. i will be back tomorrow at two pm eastern. symone starts right now. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> greetings, everyone. you are watching symone. the supreme ends its term with a controversial decision that will have a profound effect on countless americans, including members of the lgbtq+ committee community, and anyone for pursuing a college degree. the court struck down