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politicsnation. today from essence festival in new orleans. tonight's lead, justice not served. less than a week after the nation marked the first anniversary of roe's reversal, our conservative majority supreme court handed down a series of regressive decisions. collectively ruling against young and vulnerable people in

a diversifying nation. on affirmative action, decades of transformative tools for underrepresented, specifically black kids seeking a higher education. the court left them to their own devices. on president biden's plan to apply a modest relief to suffering student borrowers, the court ruled that the administration had overstepped its bounds. and on lgbtq rights, the court insisted that the right to deny business on religious grounds can be protected as freedom of speech. president biden yesterday after days of responding to these judicial attacks on social progress, laid the blame for this week's decision at the feet of conservative lawmakers and the justices they nominated. >> let me be clear. republicans in congress, it's not about reducing the deficit.

it's not about fairness, it's only about forgiving loans that they have to pay. they, the supreme court sided with them. it was the court's decision to strike down my student debt relief program was wrong. i think the -- misinterpreted the constitution. >> i caught up with president biden early this week in rockefeller center. we talked for a about what we both feel would be an altered america by this weekend. more about that conversation tonight on politicsnation. and in a few moments, a big announcement from the essence festival here in new orleans. we talked to the president of the global black economic forum. lots to cover, so let's get started. we start with the perfect guest. the chair of the congressional black caucus, congressman steven horsford. democrat of nevada. congressman, mister chairman, we appreciate you being with

us. let's start with the supreme court's 63 ruling thursday, overturning race based affirmative action and college admissions. yesterday's ruling canceling president biden's student debt relief plan, offering even modest relief to 40 million student borrowers. black borrowers are disproportionately represented in that group. chief justice john roberts claims these rulings are not political. and yet, in these two cases affecting black americans, we see the same 6 to 3 vote, with the three justices appointed by president trump making up the core of the conservative majority. and i've been telling people all week long that said that we are not one to vote for, your vote is what gave trump the power to appoint a third of this sitting supreme court. three of the nine justices are

trump, they only needed two more. and it's going to impact more than college students. because they can use the same -- using race as a criteria is unconstitutional, which they say, they can use that in contracts, employment, board seats. this has wide ranging damage, potentially across the board, specifically starting with schools. what's your reaction to all of this, mister chairman? >> well first, thank you for having me on, reverend sharpton. look. i want the minority to -- to be the majority opinion. donald trump asked black people in 2016 what you have to lose? well now we found out that the supreme court, this ultraconservative ideologically driven supreme court, what black people have to lose. we have the fundamental rights around voting, around access to

higher education. around elimination of student loan debt. around whether or not women are going to be able to have the ability to make their own decisions about their body. these are the decisions that this court has made in just the last year, as you noted. i'm here in new orleans, the congressional black caucus, we have 12 members of the cpc joining us before a democracy for the people event. we are here at the historic booker t. washington high school, talking directly to constituents about the effects of these decisions. what they mean, and what they don't mean, and what we as the people have to do to stand up to defend our democracy in this urgent moment. >> and i remember, just a couple of weeks ago you announced that tour right on your show. we're glad to get you on the road, and all being together in

the culminating watch on washington. among the decisions this week that i actually applauded, another 63 decision. but this one not split along ideological lines. ruling of that state legislators power to control congressional -- was still subject to state courts and constitutions. voiding of fringe legal theory that state legislatures had an independent role in regulating federal elections. as a federal lawmaker and an election cycle, what kind of danger was the country facing in this decision had it gone the other way? >> the independent state legislator theory was something that literally was an attack on our democracy. it would have uprooted our ability to have consistent federal elections, and well the court did uphold the law, they didn't do anything to expand

protections under the law. and reverend sharpton, you know the congressional black caucus and leaders including yourself are working hard to get the reauthorization of the voting rights act passed. this is the first time in 40 years republicans have not worked with democrats to do that. we were also pleased with the decision that the court made to uphold section two of the voting rights act, to ensure that there is equal representation in states like alabama, louisiana where we are today, georgia, to make sure that places that have high percentages of black voters also have the ability and the opportunity to elect those individuals to federal office and congress. >> now, i talked with president biden at 30 rockefeller center in new york for about 15 to 20 minutes earlier this week. and i mean, he was concerned about the high courts decisions that we correctly feared we're about to come down the very

next day on affirmative action. and then the next day after that on the student debt loans. still i was heartened to see he was already looking forward to how he could and what he could do through executive authority to help the people that would suffer from this. and of course, what it would lead to in next year's election. i talk a lot about what drives the base, whose base is more energized. and since roe's reversal, democrats have predicted that the abortion issue would drive women voters next year. i like to think that these rulings on affirmative action and student debt will do the same with black voters that -- the president has lost some ground. with do you see that happening, congressman? >> yes, but we have to be intentional about making it happen. look, the supreme court said that race could be used against a young black man in the course

of profiling them in a case dealing with crime, but it cannot be used -- race cannot be used as a factor, as one factor in the mission of them into college. that is the egregious nature of this supreme court, that has been stacked by the likes of former president donald trump and senate majority leader mitch mcconnell, former senate majority leader mitch mcconnell. but we have to be strategic. that's why the congressional black caucus institute is doing this national summer of action that will culminate at the 60th anniversary on the march on washington. we are going directly to the people to strategize, to mobilize, and organize. in fact today, reverend sharpton, we kicked off our civic education at training. we had a room filled with young black men, talking about how they can lend their voice to these important issues around public safety, around food

security, about issues around gun violence. these are the issues that people have to get involved with, because our democracy only works when the people demand that it works. >> now, one last question. in the events of these supreme court decisions, california's legislature is now set to take up recommendations from the states first in the nation task force on reparations. that task force turns in its final report to the state assembly thursday. it included a model for cash payments and laid out who would be eligible. it's also included policy recommendations such as a formal state apology for disenfranchising black residents, and a repeal of the states affirmative action ban. while this is happening in the country's most populous state, there's been a renewed push by some house democrats to take up the issue in congress. if democrats retake the house

in a year, does that happen, and do we now face the threat of someone suing that, going to this court, and overturning it if they overturn affirmative action, which is why voting becomes important. >> it is absolutely why voting is important. why every election matters. reverend sharpton, i want to underscore this point around affirmative action. affirmative action still exist for the privilege. for those who have been under legacy programs. people who are third generation college students who get accepted because their parents were involved, or their big contributor to the university. but it struck it down for race. but yet and still, we do not fund schools properly in this country, we don't have certified teachers and every classroom. we have issues with the pipeline of teachers and administrators of that do not look like the students that they serve, and so this is what we talk about when we talk

about equity. and it's from slavery to jim crow to the mass incarceration, but it's still to this very day the inequities that contribute to why we do have to empower race conscious policy that helps address the systemic issues that have plagued our country since its founding. >> all right, thank you for being with us. the chair of the congressional black congress, congressman steven horsford. joining me now is a new york university law professor melissa murray. professor, very busy week for the supreme court of our nation, and we need you to help us with some analysis of the major rulings. six conservative justices, all six, were appointed by republican presidents, voted to undo race based affirmative action in university admissions thursday. and i argue, that precedent can be used in other areas.

my first question is who will be most directly affected by this ruling, and how? are the implications for this ruling beyond just universities, and for example, in the workplace. >> so, truly this ruling will be -- attempted to be used in other venues. we are already seeing conservatives lining up to extend the ruling to other venues. but it's really important to understand what was at stake here. the race based affirmative action policies that were dismantled here, the court talked about it as the race was an entirely determinative feature of the admissions decision. but that wasn't the case. based on earlier supreme court presidents like meter versus ballinger which was decided in 2003 and affirmed later in official versus the university of texas in 2016, made clear that universities and colleges could only use race in a very limited way. as part of a holistic calculus that considered a wide range of factors including grades, test

corps, family status, location and geography, a wide range of different factors of which race was simply one. and so here, the court talked about these policies as though every minority student who had been admitted to these elite schools was admitted on the virtue of the race. but that was not the case. they were admitted on the basis of a lot of different factors, and now moving forward, race will not be able to be used as one of those factors, although the court did say that individuals could talk about the racial identity if they could connect it to some sort of personal identity characteristic like leadership and courage. and we've already seen universities and colleges beginning to think about how they will solicit that kind of information going forward, from applicants. >> so in effect, we're saying that the applicants and those that were accepted had many things that they had to present, it wasn't just race. but now this court is saying

race cannot even be a deciding factor among the other things that are still there. and, when you look at the implications of this decision, yes. you can talk about what a black -- being black help you to develop your character and develop whatever, but the decision cannot include that you dealt with the basis of that race. so you can say i could feel good about it or bought about it, but i can't say at the end. so it really neutralizes it. the ruling applies to raced-based affirmative action, but does not address legacy admissions, which tend to mostly benefit white students. the ruling also allows race based affirmative action to continue at the military academies. because of what the court calls potentially distinct interests. what do you make of these contradictions? is there a possibility of a

challenge to the ruling, because of them? >> the court did not say anything about legacy applicants. and you're right. legacy admissions isn't among norma's part of the admissions calculus. many schools provide benefits or preferences to the students who are the children of alumni, or who are children of individuals who could be large donors. whether a president or in the future, there are also considerable preferences for recruited athletes in particular areas. and you saw that with the varsity police scandal just a few years ago. the court didn't say anything about that. -- the court did spend a lot of time peppering the general with -- about the prospect of the military academies, because of the particular interest in national security and the need for diverse leaders to lead a fighting force that is comprised primarily of minority individuals, who are enlisted in the armed services. and so the national security interests it seems has allowed for this car vote for the military academy, but as the

dissenters noted in this decision, colleges and universities have the same interests in cultivating diverse leaders who are prepared to lead diverse workforce is. colleges and universities no less than the military academies have -- programs that sent individuals onto leadership or officer training programs in the military. and so if those needs are so acute in the military academy context, they would also be acute in the college and university context. for those reasons as well. and the majority didn't have anything to say to respond to those claims. not a president biden -- it was blocked by yesterday's high court decision. again, a 6 to 3 ruling with every conservative justice voting against it. biden in response, yesterday, announced several measures to work around the impediment. enabling the secretary of education to compromise, wade, or release loans under certain

circumstances. providing a yearlong period for borrowers to stopping again without fear of penalties if they missed payments. and making changes to the governments income based repayment plan, making its -- are there viable legal challenges to the presidents workarounds that we should expect to hear as well? >> all of those are important work-arounds, the administration will be pursuing. they're also pursuing at this moment bringing the same program, filing it under the auspices of a different piece of legislation. instead of the heroes act, it would be the higher education act. there is some difficulties in doing that, one of the reasons why the heroes act was so attractive is that it was an ad intended to respond to emergency situations. in that case, 9/11. but it also -- in the context of the covid-19 pandemic. and in fact, the trump administration was the first president to rely on the heroes act to delay the repayment and

for the repayments of student loans. and so, it wasn't beyond the pill for the biden administration to assume that the heroes act would be a means by which it could wave and forgive student loans. collect -- the language of the act talk specifically about the secretary's ability to waive certain provisions. it was just in this case, this conservative super majority of the supreme court determined that the loan forgiveness program exceeded the scope of the heroes act. and again, i think that's a really debatable question. the fact that it was a 63 case shows that it was a divided case, and how were lying down traditional ideological lines. >> the other major decision from the high court yesterday, another 6 to 3 decision, ruling in favor of a web developer. an evangelical christian who does not want to provide services for same-sex weddings, citing religious beliefs. her lawyers are arguing that being compelled to provide such a service would violate her free speech rights.

that decision is under additional scrutiny, given that the web developer was never actually approached by a same-sex couple to provide such services. it appears the goal was to preemptively invalidate colorado's state law, then in discrimination by businesses over sexual orientation. 24 other states, half the nation, have similar laws. what does this mean for them now? >> i think it's really important that you talked about the fact that this is a hypothetical dispute. and constitutional law, everyone who learns constitutional law knows the first thing a court has to determine whether or not it has jurisdiction to read you a case. and typically under article three of our constitution, federal courts are not allowed to hear cases that are not actual controversies. that is, are not actual disputes where an individual has been injured. as you say, lori smith, the website to find her here, was never approached by a same-sex couple to provide services for

a same-sex wedding. this was a purely hypothetical dispute. so there was no actual case or controversy, and this was really discussed at length in oral arguments. many individuals felt that the court had no business even getting to the merits of this case, because electors diction because this was not an actual case or controversy between two people with an injury. and so that's the first thing. this was the court that was determined to hear this issue, and so it spurred this entire requirement that there actually be standing in jurisdiction to hear this case. and then it went on to determine that whenever a state like colorado has an anti discrimination law, that anti discrimination law actually acts as a compelled speech mandate to those who may not agree with the antidiscrimination message. and as you say, that has real ramifications throughout the country for the other states who have also decided through their democratic processes to provide antidiscrimination protections on a wide range of protected characteristics, including sexual orientation, but also including race, religion, gender, and the like.

>> melissa murray, professor of law, thank you for being with us this evening. later on politicsnation, my political panel joins me to discuss how the supreme court's recent rulings could impact attitudes for black voters in 2024. plus, new reporting reveals how much further former president donald trump went to try to influence the results of the 2020 election. but first my colleague richard with today's top news stories. richard? >> a very good saturday afternoon to you. the funeral for a 17-year-old boy killed during a traffic stop was held this morning. this comes after four days of mass arrest in protests. french's interior ministry -- and 79 police officers injured. thousands of twitter users reported problems attempting to access the social media site today. this follows elon musk's announcing limiting the daily number of tweets users can read. musk adding that verified

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final rulings, released this week, there were a trio of opinions that could reshape american society moving forward. including limiting lgbtq public accommodations in some businesses, rejecting student loan forgiveness for tens of millions of borrowers, and restrictive affirmative action. president biden responded to this ruling during an interview with msnbc's nicole wallace on thursday, calling the current court quote, not normal. take a listen. >> you said this court is not normal. what did you mean? >> what i meant by that is it's time to unravel basic rights and basic to -- than any court in recent history. and that's what i meant by not normal. >> how do these decisions impact black voters who are disproportionately affected by

this series of rulings? are they more energized, or demoralized, michael? >> that's an interesting question. when you first say that, i do agree with doug brandon in terms of this particular supreme court that acts like a -- as it relates to the election and black voters, it would be very easy for those people to feel despair as it relates to their engagement in politics and whether they should actually care. but i think this is a perfect opportunity for all of us to stand up and be more engaged, because elections matter. and if we're going to turn this court around, we all have to be engaged. it's gotta be a whole -- all hands on deck effort. and so our engagement in 2024 is needed now more than ever. >> that's how we got this court in the first place. some of us did not vote, and others did. but susan, the dobbs decision looms large in the 2022 midterms, and many analysts

believed it contributed to the better than expected results for democrats. do you see a similar backlash in the conservative dominated court, after these decisions? >> oh, absolutely. dobbs really changed the whole scheduling of how this presidential election will probably be run. it will force the state to really push their people to turn out on this issue, because it's now a state issue. it is no longer a federal issue. a woman's right to choose her own health care. that's what's at stake, so i think when you look at states like michigan, which had a great run on its candidates and legislature, wisconsin with the judges. the issue does turn people out. i also think though, that some of these supreme court rulings can be used very directly with different coalitions to bring them out. and just remember, we look at

new york, we look at florida's turnout in 2022, it was horrible. if democrats don't figure out a way to get people to turn out, it is going to be a big problem. >> susan, sticking with you. i want to turn to former president donald trump, who made a campaign stop in pickens, south carolina earlier today. this comes as a new reporting by washington post about yet another phone call trump made after the 2020 election. this one to former arizona governor doug doocy, allegedly pressuring him to overturn the results after losing by more than 10,000 votes in arizona. governor doocy says in response quote, this is nothing more than a copy and paste of a compilation of articles from the past two years, disguised as something new and relying on

shaky and questionable sourcing. frankly -- what's your reaction to the story? >> it does tell us what we already knew about donald trump trying to twist arms, and we knew he did it in georgia and they came under a state indictment in georgia. but what's interesting about the governor to see is that when he was governor, he had a back and forth relation with trump, but he never sought to antagonize him. and i think not talking about a different conversation, he is given the same answer can systole that he won't reveal the details. and for some reason he feels very comfortable standing there and's -- and telling everyone what actually happened, because he feels that he did the right thing. i certified it, what does it matter what he said to me? i didn't listen. >> michael, let's turn to france, where a funeral was held today for 17-year-old who

was shot and killed by police earlier this week. the teenager of north african descent was pulled over on tuesday, and shortly after the officers approached the young driver's window, he starts to pull away. that's when an officer fired his weapon. the officer says he shot the gun because he thought the teen would try to run someone over. that officer has now been charged with voluntarily homicide. the incident has sparked massive unrest for the last four days across france, as people call for justice. according to france's interior ministry, so far more than 1300 people have been arrested across the country. although france and the u.s. have very different histories, the racial dynamics of this incident drums up some familiar themes such as police brutality, anti immigration sentiment, and long-standing social problems

that have largely gone unaddressed. and i have worked -- in france. as we look at the situation from over here, is there something we can learn from it? >> first of all, it seems to me that it's the same story, different country. and that this is what black americans and black people across the world seem to be dealing with on a daily basis, and our forefathers dealt with the same. as it relates to your question about what we can learn, possibly police accountability here because there appears to be some sort of accountability as it relates to the actions of the police officer. that doesn't often happen in america, when a black person is killed by a police officer. and so i think if there's anything to be learned here, perhaps it's the idea that let's figure out what happened and if we need to move forward with some sort of charges on the officer, then you should do that if the facts turn out. >> michael hardaway and susan del percio, thank you both for

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>> welcome back to politicsnation. the supreme court delivered its final opinions of its term this week. yesterday in a blow to the

lgbtq protections, the court ruled in favor of a christian web designer in colorado, who refuses to create websites to celebrate same-sex weddings out of religious objections. and the supreme court also ruled on thursday that 40 plus years of affirmative action admission policies are unconstitutional. meaning universities can no longer consider race when admitting students. joining me now is alfonso david, he is an attorney, lgbtq civil rights activist, and president and ceo of the global black economic forum. thank you so much for being with us and joining us tonight in the middle of all you're doing at this festival. alfonso, i you're joining us from the essence festival. here in new orleans, as i would

say -- gobs of people. but you have said you will make announcement tonight on stage, i will be there as well with you with rich liu dennis, the one who has really put this essence festival to a new level. but first i want to ask you your reaction to the latest decision from the supreme court on lgbtq rights. you've been a leader in that community as much as you've been a leader and major activist in the black leadership. >> we'll first rev., thank you very much for having me on your show. as you mentioned in the opening, i do run the global black economic forum. and the global economic forum for me and for all others that are affiliated with it is a place where we can actually address, amplify, and advance the interest of black and brown people, disadvantaged people,

economically. focusing on the economic benefits and the economic entitlements that people should be focused on. you mentioned the supreme court decision, the supreme court decisions are certainly a huge blow to many people. but i see them as a wake up call. all of the recent rulings against gay rights, against affirmative action, against the right to choose, against student loan relief show that we have an activist supreme court that's really intent on stripping all of us of our fundamental american rights. so yes, i'm an lgbtq activist, but i'm also a black man. and all of these decisions are really stripping away fundamental principles that the court said were deeply embedded in our history and tradition. this is the 14th amendment. i've been practicing law for 20 years, i went to law school reading these cases. and now these cases, there are new cases that are saying the pillars that we have been relying on constitutionally no

longer exist. and that is hugely disappointing, but also a wake up call. >> on thursday, the day before yesterday, i was here with kamala harris along with the civil rights leaders. she later spoke here at the essence festival with a crowd of black leaders and influential decision-makers. she reflected on the court's reversal of affirmative action. take a listen. >> it is a complete misnomer to suggest this is about color blind. when in fact, it is about being blind to history. being blind to data. being blind to empirical evidence about disparities. being blind to the strength and that diversity brings to classrooms, to boardrooms. >> what have you been hearing

from your fellow black leaders and influencers about the supreme court decisions? because i almost feel what you're announcing tonight when we go out there is all more necessary based on this decision. but what have you been hearing? >> i mean, what i've been hearing is a reflection of what the vice president has been saying. this is a reminder to all of us that we have an activist supreme court, and that court is denying our history. that's what this is. you know, black americans especially need to recognize that we are moving backwards. we have a court that is stripping away our fundamental principles and denying our history. you know, the global black economic forum is a place for black leaders and other leaders who are supporting issues that affect black and brown people, not to just discuss social and economic justice, but also to build partnerships into strategize and make real progress. so as we see these decisions

coming down from the court, we're also very focused on empowering ourselves and creating our own opportunities to build wealth and level the playing field. and also fight back. i mean, we have children that are now growing up who will not understand our history, because they are being told in at least 26 states that they can't teach black history. i just got off a panel a few minutes ago with -- crenshaw, all of you know, who kimberly is. a famous professor of law. at columbia i believe. and she talked about 26 states in this country now are banning the teaching of black history. this is directly linked to the supreme court decisions that are stripping away our fundamental rights. so if a child growing up today, not understanding the vestiges of history or the vestiges of slavery, i should say, is a huge concern. when >> alfonso, leaders from all sectors of black leadership are here in new orleans.

one of my highlights was to meet a good friend of mine oprah winfrey during it to talk about economic promise, something that you are at the essence festival later tonight. you are set to make an announcement and really try to bring some cohesion to all of the leadership, all of the influencers and get results. as long as you are in leadership, you've been results oriented. no drama, let's get something done. what can you, before this announcement, what can you share with your audience around the country? what are you forecasting that we need to do? >> what i can forecast is that we will come together, to directly combat the bias and discrimination that we see reflected in decisions that seem to or tend to legitimize the denial of our history. we can't ignore what's

happening before us. so we are coming together to fight back, and we're talking about joy and we're talking about justice. two words that a court to the black experience here in our country. and we're going to bring groups together who are going to be fighting back at what some people would like to advance it, a culture and environment where we're less than. and we're not going to accept that. >> all right. alonso david, a major announcement tonight. thank you for being with us. up next, my final thoughts. stay with us. stay with us and you know i didn't. it makes my running shoe look like new. it's amazing! wow, it makes it look like... i don't have kids at all. it's so good, it makes it look like i have magical powers! with 80% less scrubbing, mr. clean magic eraser makes cleaning easy. also available in sheets!

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thoughts on the case of aj owens. a 35-year-old black mother of four who was shot and killed by a white neighbor through a closed door. in florida earlier this month. this week, the states attorney announced her neighbor will be prosecuted for mere manslaughter. rather than more serious charges of murder. in my capacity as head of the national action network, i delivered the eulogy for aj owens, and i had the opportunity to grieve with the family that has been ripped apart by this tragedy. they shared with me the stories of how the neighbor taunted aj 's young children with the n-word and other racial insults.

i also had the honor to meet with owen's mother today in new orleans, along with attorney ben crump and torney parker. she is now raising her grandkids. in my opinion, the legal system in florida failed aj and her family, and the department should step in to investigate whether federal hate crime charges are warranted. as this week's supreme court rulings reminds us the fight for racial justice is far from over. we must continue to fight and struggle against injustice, wherever we see it. from central florida to the highest court. in the land. that does it for me, thanks for watching. i'll see you back here tomorrow at five pm eastern for another live hour of politicsnation. american voices with alicia and mendez starts after the this short break. ort break.

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