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want to mess. all of that and more is coming up. in the good sunday morning to. you i am katie phang. as the saying goes, those who don't know history are destined to repeat. it's now this juncture after this conservative super majority on the supreme court got affirmative action in higher education instruct down where is it biden's plan to forgive more than 400 billion dollars in student debt, i think it is time that we talk about how those two things have been leaked for decades. higher education in america did not always come with such a hefty price tag. in fact through the 1950s it was largely free and treated as a public goods. why? because graduates used their education towards the betterment of society. that all changed in the 1960s when anti-war and civil rights students activism hit college

campuses and universities. and those colleges and universities responded by developing of hidden action policies to diversify their overall on the right student body. southern california governor ronald reagan's education adviser roger friedman warns that we are in danger of producing an educated proletariat. that is dynamite. we have to be selective about who we allow in those colleges. that was the beginning of a domino effect, and reagan cut funding to california's public university system and began charging in states tuitions and fees to quote, get rid of undesirables. and as president, reagan cut funding to the department of education by 25%. colleges and universities began charging higher tuitions to make up the shortfall and the federal government began to encourage low-income students to apply for student loans. the truth of the matter is that the kids are not all right. and the political climate where presidents fall and civil rights continue to be eroded,

what better way to quote, guess rand of the undesirables as reagan said then to saddle them with debt and to make higher education a luxury. joining me, no massachusetts congresswoman ayanna pressley, the chair of the abortion rights and actions task force, and also a member of the financial services committee. congresswoman, thank you for joining the show this morning. you have said that the student loan decision is a setback in your faith tradition and a setback can be a set up for a comeback. what's how can you give to this 26 million borrowers who had already applied to hunter biden's original debt relief program? >> well, katy when they want the borrowers to know that this movement of borrowers and civil rights organizations and labor union presidents that we built in the last two years to make it plain the stakes of this 22 million dollar crisis in just how burdensome it is, and how it is choking up the prominence

of our families and our communities. and society rhetoric. this is a powerful coalition. so powerful that the president did ultimately take executive action because he heard your cries. he made a promise to deliver meaningful transformative relief. this far-right extremist unbalanced supreme court which seeks to make history for all the wrong reasons, this is if they were a caucus in congress they would be the boost rappers forced to forced birth and don't say gay caucus. i mean, they have all but eliminated and boots or straps to social and economic ability. so i'm hopeful and encouraging in this moment. i want borrowers to know that we will not stop fighting for you. and president is a powerful thing in president biden made it plain he is not done fighting for borrowers. so from this moment, i just want to make sure that in using the higher education act that whatever mechanism is employed

is one that moves with efficiency and effectiveness and focused on impact. just to give you some profiles of who is burdened by the stat, i have senior citizens in my district. 76 years old on fixed incomes. who have had their benefits garnished. they own more now than they took out. and they fear that they will die. to pay on these loans. certainly, it is a racial justice issue as well. black students borrowing to default at higher rates because black americans have been locked out of every major federal relief program in this country to build a well. biden's executive action canceled's debt for one in four of those black borrowers. helping us to make progress in closing the racial wealth gap as well as ultimately, this being a gender justice issue. two thirds of this is disproportionately on the shoulders of women. it is also an lgbtq issue. studies show that lgbtq students are more likely to be

on their own much earlier because of discrimination and estrangement from families and other variables. so this is an economic justice issue and a racial justice issue. it is a gender justice issue, and we have a whole generation in gen z who cannot start a family or starting a or purchase a home or build wealth. so this is very consequential, the president made a promise which i think it is important that we are nimble in exacting every tool available to deliver on that promise into deliver on the coalition of voters that deliver this white house. >> congresswoman at the white house saying that they're going to lower the repayment threshold to 5% and then find a path to relief for student loan borrowers. in your opinion, is this the rest of the plan? >> i want borrowers to know that you are powerful and president biden heard. you see the fact that they came out quickly to say that they were not done fighting for borrowers and so i am

encouraged that they are prepared to be nimble and i will at this point be focused on oversight and implementation to ensure that whatever we do is something with a meaningful and life-changing transformative rallies where it is felt swiftly. after biden's initial executive action, there were some eligible borrowers, 26 million people already signed up for this and eligible borrowers. and i think 16 million were already approved. so peoples lives are nimble. katy when you layer this with the fact that in august payments are set to resume, with interest, again this is deeply consequential and there is a psychological toll and an economic burden. and we all suffer for it. i represent a health care america and when i talk to presidents and ceos of those hospitals and health care centers about what we can do to replenish this bench, since so many health care workers have left, because of fatigue and burn out post-pandemic, they

say the number one thing that you can do is cancel student debt. so of course this is about to the burden on borrowers. but there is a greater implication rich large and the supreme court must be reformed and expanded. they continue to overturn the will of the majority of the people. and to make history for all the wrong reasons. and legislating from the bench and being political from the bench. they have been as coconspirators in the state legislature to the lower courts, all the way to the supreme court to advance this extremist far-right agenda. it is nothing but intersectional oppression. >> i'm glad that you brought up the court expansion because that is obviously a dicey point. we heard president biden himself saying that he was not a fan of that idea and it politicizes institution which frankly you and i both know has already been hyper politicized and weaponized already. do you think that one of those solutions, in addition to expanding the court, is perhaps actually instituting term limits as well from the justice standing in the supreme court?

>> i think that everything should be on the table and a part of a growing coalition called the just majority representing most marginalized groups. who have been the most targeted by this extremist supreme court. talking about they are advancing a national ban on abortion, disappointingly forced birth movements, whether you are talking about housing justice or whether you are talking about is guiding affirmative action, these are attacks on equity and education and on rights that have been earned. as a country we have pride ourselves on adding to rights. and here is a supreme court that has been enrolled in rolling back the hands of time, undermining and rolling back what should be fundamental in simple human rights. so everything should be on the table. reform and expansion. and it is not -- it is no idea that has precedent. in fact, congress has done the

six times before. so i'm certainly prepared to do the work in community to build consensus on this. >> congresswoman ayanna pressley, thanks for getting us started in the second hour and thank you so much for the messaging. because all people need to understand that this is not just about the money. this is about the justice and this is about people having access to better lives. thank you so much for being here. >> thank you. >> we are still following as well the latest on the breaking news out of baltimore, maryland as yet another mass shooting has occurred and according to the baltimore police at least two people, an 18 year old woman in a 20 year old man, were killed in 28 others were injured at an annual neighborhood block party. police are actively looking for whoever may be responsible for this crime, and early this morning i did have the chance to speak to mayor brandon scott who is calling on his community don't bring those responsible to justice. >> someone out there knows, we want everybody who is out there, somebody knows who did this.

i don't care if it is the parents or the brother or the wife or the girlfriend of those who are responsible, we need you to say something. we need you to treat this as if someone had taken the life of your, son your daughter, your father or brother. we need you to do that and step up and do the right thing. and to those who carry out that act, we will find you and we will bring you to justice. but again, this highlights not just for baltimore but for our country the need to deal with the flow of illegal guns into our communities and express from neighborhoods outside those areas. we will continue to be focused on that here in baltimore and our country has to be focused on that as well. >> stay with us on msnbc throughout the day for the latest on the investigation into the baltimore mass shooting. and coming up, the twice indicted former president is still leading the pack. donald trump's numbers are growing despite his growing legal troubles as well. i've got a great sunday morning power political panel ready to break it all down.

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a problem but someone is not. monday twice impeached disgraced former president is not letting a small thing like multiple pending cases of investigation stop him from leading the pack of republicans in the race to become the party's 2024 candidates. a recent pbs poll found that 56% of americans think that trump should drop out of the race, due to the charges against him. and an overwhelming 73% perceive wrongdoing in trump's actions. but 68% of republican voters plan to continue to support trump's presidential bid anyway. none of that may work for the primary but in the general trump's position is weak and

getting weaker by the second as he begins to take credit for the reasoning lee unpopular recent supreme court decisions. joining me now, not michael junior democratic satirist and director the policy public policy recommend hunter college and lisa called while the political strategist who start escaping manager for joe walsh's 2020 presidential campaign. my sunday morning power political panel, basil and lucy it so great to see you guys and i'll start with you, lucy. i want your action to this recent washington post reporting the trump tried to pressure then arizona governor doug doocy to overturn the states presidential election results in 2020. no trump reportedly sands that have enough fraudulent votes could be found that he would overcome his loss in that state. get another perfect call, right. like the one to georgia secretary of state brad raffensperger but lucy, these allegations are related to an election and whatever you want to sabotage money payments or whatever, these are safe to do with an election and integrity election. >> yeah. that is right. in the case of doug doocy you

see that doug doocy decided not to play the game with donald trump, and as a result he has essentially persona non grata in the republican party. not just in arizona better nationally as well because he is disloyal and in contrast to doug doocy they think that the former republican nominee for the arizona supreme court gubernatorial race last year is making this her entire platform. the centerpiece of her quest to become trump's future vice president. just this, week stephen richer who is the county reporter in that state, it wasn't a lone republicans who has said no, there is not an election fraud. he is suing kari lake because she has defamed him so much. that it is almost unsustainable for him to go on. his family is being threatened, he is facing a horrible situation it just goes to show how trump's word is not just one guy, and is a cancer. is the dominance popular vibe in the republican party. and until we can address that within this republican base, well to see more and more and

more of that because that's how you win support among today's republican base. which yes is very to step with the rest of the american people. >> you know, basil, trump taking credit for a recent controversial decisions to rollback so many rights of americans, even on the court is moving a nation forward in the right direction. let's talk about how the democrats can take advantage of that message. i envision a wave of one issue voters taking it to the polls. >> well i think that is certainly possible. we've seen that with reproductive rights and that has been a mobilizing issue for many americans both democrat and republican. i imagine that recent decisions, whether it is affirmative action or on student loans are also known as voters particularly -- i like 2022 and trying to protect ahead to 2024. i don't think they were successful in trying to and being able to capture

independent voters in affected republicans, as he talked to the general election earlier that is really important for the democrats. will republicans be able to bring some of those independents and those decisions those republicans back into their umbrella? and given those recent decisions i just don't think that that is going to happen. certainly not in the numbers that we would hope that would happen. so yes i think that's between the supreme court decisions and also quite frankly the presidents record on the economy, and those things in combination it's certainly enough to mobilize. whatever it takes, quite frankly. it could be one or several but whatever. mobilizing you to go in mostly looking at the markets and saying thank god, at least the policy responses stable. >> earlier house speaker kevin mccarthy had this to say about donald trump. take a listen. >> do you think you can win an election? could you win an election? >> he can. the question is is he the strongest with an election.

i don't know about that. but can anybody beat biden? yeah, i think anybody can be by the. can biden be other? people yes? >> mccarthy immediately walked back those comments according to the new york times, personally called the former president to apologize. now, trump republicans are calling him out for not endorsing trump's run. lucy, mccarthy is like the cowardly line from the waist or boss. he's always looking for a spine, but one is going to be enough for mccarthy to say i want to to back a winning horse in this race. >> it is a cult. and it is known for giving calls that we are seeing. we also saw that with lindsey graham this week. a man u.s. freshly himself so much at the altar of the trump called. and yet as he went on stage, and the maga raleigh in south carolina, his own home state, they beat him. when will it be enough for people that kevin mccarthy or lindsey graham? never, that trip has sailed. just like the maga base is not, moving just like even after two

indictments the republican base supporting trump's just airtight. but that support is so strong. likewise, these pathetic coward empty vessel republicans like kevin mccarthy and lindsey graham, they know where their bread is buttered and they've made a deal with the devil and they will ride the trump train, i think into the ether forever. >> off the track, into that cartoon of the canyon. i got less than a minute left in a forward and i will let you respond. chris, kristie, why now? >> yeah. this is the same governor that took a lot of flak for endorsing barack obama when he came to the state to help him. helping him recover after super storm sandy. and essentially spent a lot of time saying i don't know that guy who was that guy. trying to distance himself from him. but yes, this is chris christie two point oh i think and he's trying to figure out how to bring some of the republicans

away from trump. but to lucy's point, trump support is like akin to a religious fervor -- which is really not possible to do when you make intellectual arguments about why you should stop supporting donald trump. it is perhaps an intellectually persuasive but not emotionally compelling. i don't know that chris christie can do this by himself but he certainly is going to try and i think that what is also problematic is that there is this alternative to donald trump. when he gets others to drop out and focus more attention on him but i don't know that chris christie will do that and we need to be looking at also is the donors. where are those big donors going to go? because if they abandon trump unstable ought to make another candidates then he can do that and elevate chris christie to opposition probably better than the republican party. but minus not i don't know that -- >> i can see that. question the big donors are

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former -- rudy giuliani was in the special counsel probe, giuliani was trump's megaphone for much of 2020 and 2021 spreading his lies about the voting system being rigged. according to statement from giuliani, spokesperson the media was quote,. voluntary i don't know exactly what questions were, asked during the interviews. we need to jack smith has at least two investigations about which we are aware. one regarding the classified documents, and the other about trying to overturn the 2020 election results. now, i will emphasize those are the ones that you are actually aware of. there could be others going on. we'll see what jack smith can do in the indictment against trump in the mar-a-lago documents case that is damning in length. a community close to seeing what else jacks mitt can do to hold trump accountable for trying to destroy our democracy. joining me, now former counsel certainly trump michael cohen. the host of the mea culpa podcasting co-host of the political beatdown podcast. author of her venture into disloyal, in principle of the company crisis acts. mike oh my, friends i was so

good to have you here, you and i always -- think, michael here is my first question for you. i'm gonna talk to the friends about what i know to donald trump. what does it tell you that seem to be a race to finish line right now for people like taylor -- and ready giuliani. mike, roman gary michael graham brown. the sort of people that are saying, i want what michael cohen has done. >> right. the only difference though would be, i i want to be very clear. i provide no benefits for promoting the cooperation they. did rudy maybe crazy, but he is not stupid. he is going to be the first to the gate it is going to end up getting one way that they're looking for. in some sort of benefit. and then also reigning jack smith may not be interested in providing the immunity that provides a southern district of

new york and people like david becker or allen weisselberg. so look, rudy has a lot to consider at the moment. but nevertheless i do believe again that he may be crazy, but he is not stupid. he knows exactly what he is doing. >> michael let's talk about that montana diane dartmouth that has been on the backburner a little bit. they were talking about federal indictment in the classified documents case. my fan friend joyce vance point really good substack about what happened recently an imitating courtroom. i will quote is a little bit. here a federal judge heard testimony from alan garten, who you. know the tropical officer of the trump organization. there's no evidence that you worked on anything other than the hush money in exchange for the premise from donald trump. there is no link to any official asks of the presidency for donald, and then gardiner street confirmed as well as some of the 400 and 2500 dollar payments winter stormy daniels, and then they went to other

worth accounted for trump. i mean, michael this completely substantiates invalidates what they said from the beginning that you are acting at the behest of your calling to the, time donald trump. how big is this mess up? by the trump legal team in the manhattan d.a. case? >> of, course it speaks for yourself. other than donald calling the convicted perjurer that hasn't been anything that i have said, there hasn't come to truman has not been corroborated both by documentary evidence or from other people's testimony. what alan garten did hair is a pretty significant mass up and again as you just appropriately stated and corroborating everything that i said. >> there's a lot to talk about a guy named epstein or epstein, depending on who you're talking to. and of like desantis or

desantis. he's been called the gatekeeper the quarterback of the trump's legal team and i think a lot of ways we do work with donald drought though. we are kind of -- you where they are and they oversee stuff into trump's words. they tried to cover the rains from. you they try to fill in shoes that you actually were filling with personal counsel with donald trump. >> for us as a, more sadly when boris became part of the campaign boris was like with other kids as well. it was like the little lapdog that was trying to figure out how to get close to donald lake. know that he's there no real experience and he may be a lawyer he may be and you don't know he would even consider him a smart and one thing that he is not strategic isn't everything that's happened to

donald over the course of the -- has not occurred for donald -- donald's benefit, not one iota. >> part of this is there is a stable of lawyers that come and go and represent donald trump. you are obviously in attorney for him for many. years you have to ask you, and i want you to answer objectively, is a organized chaos to have this many lawyers in trump's world? it is strategic or really is it much of a blank show? some people in college? it just seems to be so disorganized and there are so many lawyers that are retained, so many people representing him and all of these different civil and criminal cases, and yet they are continuously losing. >> yeah. it is a very difficult, you are alan tournaments and once and he once said i don't lose because i'm not a good lawyer i lose because the cases are impossible to win. that is a problem with donald

trump's case. they are impossible to wade. simply because the evidence that is there is so significant and is so in your face. you have recordings of donald trump basically can set confessing to taking documents to showing top secret national security stuff. he is basically confessing to the crime that jack smith is accusing him of. so it does not make a difference if god himself came down from the heavens to represent donald. you still cannot get past the fact that the reporting is donaldson voice regardless of what he said. the documents will be shown to be the top secret documents that dealt with iranian attacks. no matter how many things he wants to say. they were sure they were diapers they were newspaper clippings and it does not make a difference it is what it is and there are other people that were in the room that are corroborating exactly what jack

smith is purporting it to be. so it does not really matter. and yes, donald trump operates in a world of chaos. that is the only way that he knows how to operate. the difference between what i was there working for donald and win the group that is there today, we never had this sort of national attention on issues that deal with not just national security but basically the -- our country's democracy. we did not have that, we had myopic real estate nonsense and so on. and some stupid things like startled way to do. but it was not on the scale or the level that things are at now. >> >> simply amplify would only people have said which is that if he had not run for office, where were donald trump be? michael, cohen my friend, thank you so much for being here i appreciate. >> same unhappy fourth to everyone. >> thanks. coming, up she was the first

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bills are in the air and there is one state senator who is looking to turn the tide by running for congress. joining me now is delaware state senator sarah mcbride who is running for the states only congressional state. ever a lot of, elected you would be the first transgender person to serve in congress. sarah, it is an honor to have you on the show this morning and i do want to start with your reaction to the latest supreme court ruling limiting lgbtq rights. what did you think when you heard that decision come down? >>, first off good morning caitlin thank you for having me on. there are the last several years, the supreme court has consistently sided with the powerful over the vulnerable. in this past week we saw that time and time again in their cases on affirmative action and of course in this case on lgbtq rights. -- three of three is one more attempt by the supreme court to corrupt the notion of religious freedom for their own personal political agenda. they create a gaping hole in our nations civil rights laws

that despite lgbtq people at risk but so many other marginalized communities throughout this country at risk. we have to make clear this drive for religious freedom is a fundamental american value. but what it is always been what it should always remain is a shield to protect vulnerable religious minorities from prosecution, and not a -- to inflict harming already vulnerable people. this decision certainly reinforces the need for us to continue to fight and to continue to fight for equality for all. to continue to fight for opportunities for people regardless of their backgrounds. well i'm not running to be the transgender member of congress, i'm ready to serve delaware and to make progress in all of the issues that matter, the supreme court's decision certainly reinforces the need for us to have a seat at the table and policymaking. for us to recognize that we are talking about lgbtq rights we are talking about people. and at the critical moment with so many attacks in our community, to show lgbtq young

people that the heart of this country is big enough to love them to. >> there is something that you said that really struck me. and i would do oversight for my viewers right. no you talked about the dual story of progress and pain. and you said that we can turn this pain into progress, as long as we summon the hope necessary to see this fight through. how? how do you have the optimism in the hope and the faith that you're gonna be able to deliver these results? for all people and to make our communities safe and for people that feel marginalized and disenfranchised? when you're going to be able to do if you're able to successfully win and go to congress? >> well first off, katie, i have seen too much change love seeing too much progress to lose hope now. when i came, about the idea that somebody like me could serve authentically in a state legislature seems so impossible it was the most incomprehensible. when i ran for the state senate, there were people who questioned whether the voters of the district were ready for someone like me.

when i know i was going to be introducing the first private sector are paid family medical leave law here in delaware, political observers say that we never get it done. we get it done in two years. and we i've seen too much progress or believe the capacity to term what might seem improbable not just in the possibility about into reality. and the reality is that if we just finish a pride month because we marked july 4th, the story of the lgbt community but also even expansively the story of our country is the story of every previous generation being able to face and ultimately conquer seemingly insurmountable odds. whether we are talking about enslaved people in the 1850s who had no reason to believe that an emancipation proclamation was on the way. when we are talking about unemployed workers standing in bread lines. who had never heard of a new deal during the early days of the great depression.

when we are talking about patrons at the stonewall inn who never knew of an america where they could marry the person they love, legally. every single generation of americans had every reason to believe that change would never come. yet they persevered and they summoned their hope and they found the lights. and they change the world. i truly believe that our generation can do the same. but i only as long as we continue to fight for it and to work for its. we can some of that hope and we can find the lights. >> well i have to say i know that i speak on behalf of several that even in the face of an existential threat to our very existence you continue to deliver a hope -- a message of hope and you are delivering results which is what counts regardless. regardless of who you are whenever community that you are a part. of delaware state senator sarah mcbride, begin with you a lot of luck and keep an eye on you. thank you. >> thank you. >> and coming up next, a veterinarian in california is helping pet owners who are experiencing homelessness.

how? he is caring for their furry family members. i mean a talk to doctor cohen stewart about his heartwarming project after this break. r this break

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experienced homelessness are unsheltered. they live outside and are often crammed into encampments and makeshift neighborhoods like a skid row and los angeles. for many, the streets can be a lonely place. unless they have a loving path as a companion. an estimated 10% of the total homeless population in the u.s. has a path that they care for, according to the national coalition for the homeless and social service providers. in california, there is a veterinarian and he has been working for more than a decade. working to save the lives of the loved animals for the people around the streets. they continue to spread the following message, no judgment just help. joining me now is doctor colin stewart, cofounder of projects street yvette and the author of

what it takes to save a life, a veterinarian's quest for healing and hope. dr., stuart i am thrilled to have you on my show. messages of hope are always so important. and sacrifice, which is what you do, is equally as important. explain to our viewers your mantra, no judgment just help. >> yeah. thank, you. katie that is really something that i developed over the years. when i got into this work i will tell you quite honestly than i had my own set of judgments and i think like a lot of us do i would see an able-bodied man on the street corner for example panhandling, when i first thought unfortunately it was, get the job. but now 12 years into this i realized that it is not my place to write their story for them and that judgment should not be placed on them. i have no idea what they came from or what kind of supports they did or did not have coming up. and my job is simply to find their paths and give free medical care.

>> you have said that the homeless community is largely misunderstood, as you just said right now. and that they quote, live in the shadows. they live amongst us but not with us. how is project street vet helping not only the pets but also the people who are experiencing homelessness. >> yeah. again, when i didn't really have a clue on what i was doing i just had a bag started walking the streets and finding paths. i realized that as much as i was indirectly helping the person, there was a way to really directly help the person to an overtime i created a network of other counselors and positions and help projects for the people as much as the pets. i'm a veterinarian, so i don't come to be a medical doctor and i'm not there to do. that but in more ways than one, when i counted these folks and i open that bridge of trust in order to rely on me as a resource, i do my best to try to connect with them to the resources they need. >> i know some of the stories

that you're hearing from the people experiencing homelessness, while they're also trying to keep their pets safe and healthy? >> well, a lot of news economic. i will tell you. back when i started doing it and probably the generation before, a lot of it probably was this, well they're on drugs. or they're mentally ill or -- and i can't speak to that a whole lot. i just know that in my experience in this past 15 years, and in 15 years, it largely feels. economic these people are struggling like a lot of americans are to get the job and find a job and pay for decent housing especially in california. it's just of control. and they just need financial help. this -- the people and pets in the streets have the wherewithal to love and loyalty to properly care for a path. in more ways than the average pet parents really does. they just need help with resources. >> projects treat bat has actually expanded from california to now include atlanta, georgia.

is it the dream to eventually be able to provide better care access to those who are on house across the entire united states? >> that's the dream now. i did not have that dream very early on. i was a one-man band working with myself. i don't even tell anybody about the work for the better part of six or seven years it was just my own quiet little crusade. but now that i have people reaching out, a lot of his through social media. and i'm no social media go, but i have veterinarians and volunteers and technicians across the country who come to me and say they would like to do the same thing in their communities. so yes we have street about teams popping up in atlanta and d.c. and l.a. moving up to san francisco. i can dream, and dream big then yes i would love to have a team in every major city in the country. so that these folks have access to care. >> what can people, do than, to be able to help you achieve that stream? i want my viewers to understand that you are doing all of this out of your own pocket. when you are providing this

care you are giving vaccines and the medicines, you are not asking for any money or anything in return. >> no. like i said, for seven years i did it out of my own pocket and what happens, katie, is it became a financial burden for myself. i found myself putting off my student loans some months. so that i could find this little mission of mine. and when you are sending cases into veterinary hospitals for in the southern procedures, for dental care or for -- it can cost thousands of dollars is just about -- and i started to ask for funding in americans are very generous when it comes to pats. we found ourselves in a position to find almost all of the care that pets encounter in there to expand from city to city, yes we need more resources and it really does run our nation so if you want to help, you can go to private nation dot org and make a donation to leave it comments. we take volunteers on the streets. you can support us and so many ways and we invite all of it.

>> dr. quanah, stewart and you are doing some amazing work and i am humbled. so thank you for spending the time with us, in my viewers this morning. i really appreciate you. >> thank you so much. >> and thanks to all of you for joining me this morning for a special two hour edition of the katie phang show. i'll be back next saturday and sunday at 8 am eastern. jonathan kaye part will also be back at 9 am on those days. but remember that you can keep up with us during the week by following ask even show on twitter and instagram and tiktok. stay tuned. michael steele is in for ali velshi. and he is coming up next coming up next pain was keeping me off my game. and now i'm winning again. blue-emu is the powerful relief i need. blue-emu, it works fast, and you won't stink.

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