things like social economic disadvantage and look to that as a criteria. it won't be the same regime, certainly, as before, but i think universities do have some options available to them. i think the bigger question looming around the supreme court right now is our legal system is based on precedent. on the idea that there is a wisdom to what pass generations and jurist have decided the constitution means. this supreme court seems quite comfortable and throwing out some of the most major precedents, whether it's roe v. wade, whether it's, you know, the decisions that have upheld the voting rights act. you know, now, decisions about affirmative action which had signed on to by a number of justices including those appointed by republican presidents in the past. >> we're going to leave it there because we're out of time. i appreciate you, brother, coming on and sharing your

insights with us. thank you so much. that does it for me. thank you for watching. ali will be back here next saturday and sunday morning from 10 am to noon eastern. stay right where you are. inside jen psaki begins right now. >> well it's been a pretty demoralizing week. three major supreme court decisions with far-reaching consequences. one effectively scrapping affirmative action programs. one invalidating president biden's student loan debt relief plan. one clearing the way for businesses to refuse service to lgbtq+ americans. i'll talk about that, and how democrats should be fighting back, and the politics of pennsylvania with the state's governor, josh shapiro, who's coming up first. plus, law professor and former clerk to judge sonia studio more, is joining me to talk about the impact of the supreme court decisions. we talk about the uncertainty facing many college students

graduates, education secretary, miguel cardona, we'll talk about the -- and she is the first openly trans person to ever be elected in savannah state legislature. i sat down with virginia delegate, for anna form, to talk about this weekend routine. if you are watching the events of this week and worry that social progress in this country 's backslide in, you are not alone. of course it doesn't help when the person responsible for the supreme court's conservative supermajority donald trump, is taking a victory lap. the republican party seems intent on renominating him despite the fact that he can soon be a convicted felon. it's important to acknowledge here that it is a very real possibility that he could actually win. everyone needs to be sober about that. the latest national polling from nbc news shows that president biden leads trump by just four percentage points. this is barely outside the

margin of error. there is also the looming threat of third party candidates, according to the same poll, 34% of registered voters say they are willing to consider supporting a third party or independent candidate. if biden and trump are the nominees in 2024. this includes more democrats than republicans, outside a polling, unseen additional -- nbc republicans who broke from trump endorsed biden in 2020 are cooling to the prospect. there is sitting on the sidelines of biden's reelection campaign at this point. a feat zero in on pennsylvania, one of the most closely watched battleground states, there are similar warning signs. pennsylvania voters showing virtual dead heat between trump and biden, 47% of all registered voters there, and 46% support biden. it's hard to overstate how important this will be and the 2024 race. it's always an important state. that was highlighted when the

conservative group held their summit in philadelphia. this group, which touts itself as a protector of parental rights, was founded just two years ago by a pair of former school board members in florida. it is rapidly expanded. it's pretty ironic that they call themselves moms for liberty, given their focuses on banning books, eliminating lessons on racial discrimination, and in one district in pennsylvania, even banning pride simple's. that doesn't sound like liberty to me. or, to my next guest, who made a powerful over to what he called real freedom in his inauguration speech. >> only by setting the table of opportunity, and inviting all to come and sit and partake can we advance the cause of real freedom. where political differences cause debate, and do not give rise to demagogues. the real freedom that leaves its citizens with the

confidence of knowing that the doors of opportunity will swing open if they simply push them through where everyone gets a shot and no one is left behind. that is real freedom and that is our challenge. that is our colleen. >> maybe that's a message more democrats should embrace as we head into 2024. joining me now is pennsylvania's governor and attorney general, josh shapiro. governor, thank you so much for taking the time to speak with me this afternoon but in before we get into politics, and there's a lot of that to discuss. i want to get your take on the supreme court rulings this week. after the ruling on lgbtq rights came down you tweeted this, i'll read the direct quote. real freedom means that whoever you are, what you look like, or who used to or do not pray to,

you belong in pennsylvania. lgbtq+ rights or human rights. if scotus want to find them in d.c., we'll do it in the states. i have no doubt that gives a lot of people in pennsylvania some hope. what can you realistic to you as governor. >> you know, jen, this was a bad week for freedom in this nation. it's a direct effect of our elections back in 2015. elections have consequences. we all have a responsibility in this country to defend our freedoms, defender democracy. the best way to do that is to show up and vote. sadly, the supreme court, i fear, over the decades to come, we'll continue to try to restrict our freedoms. it's why the states are so critically important right now. here in pennsylvania, we value real freedom. we protect our lgbtq+ citizens in this commonwealth. we stand up for our children. we stand up for real freedom. we protect democracy.

we're going to do everything in our power to make sure that we have a nondiscrimination law on the books that is constitutional, fair, let's every lgbtq+ individual know that they are valued, and welcome here in this commonwealth. we is a moment with folks across this nation need to focus on the state lawmakers, their governors, and work to create a real freedoms in their respective states and commonwealth's. >> as you just said, governor, elections have consequences. we do have the supreme court we have, and as you look at the boulevard over the last year, from overturning roe v. wade, to the decisions this week, given the trajectory, either at their rights you think are at risk. there are clearly unprecedented. do you think do marriages that risk? is interracial marriage at risk? >> what should we be preparing for? >> look, i hate to sound like a doomsday are here, jen, but i think that they're all at risk. for so many, they couldn't have

imagined that the sort of reliance doctrine that existed along with what i thought was sound legal precedents around the right to make decisions around your own body, around her right to have an abortion in this country, no one imagined that could be overturned by supreme court that was willing to look the other way on the law. again, on the -- that existed. the reality here is that the states are going to have to fill that void. here in pennsylvania, we will protect women's right to choose. we will protect the lgbtq community. we will protect zero right to read the books you want and who you love. those rights are very much in the crosshairs at the supreme court and we will have to do the best in the states to will back those -- >> you are going to be at the center of that as you're used to be. your close enough to groups

like moms for liberty, claiming to be the party of freedom. you've spoken about what real freedom. as you've spoken about that in your inaugural address. you speak about it frequently. how do you think democrats should go on offense and counter some of this rhetoric up the other side trying to own freedom, and rights, and parental choice? >> well you know, jen, i think this is a stark contrast. this should not be an issue that democrats are afraid to lean and on. but the white house, to governors, to members of congress, to everyone in between. look, there's a reason why the leading republican candidates for president are going to visit with that group in philadelphia this weekend. they're anti-freedom. think about this, jen. they are showing up to brag about how they want to restrict women's rights to make decisions over her own body. they're showing up to break about how they want to take books out of the classrooms of our children. they are showing up to talk about how they want to attack

children for simply being who they are. or adults for wanted to marry who they love. that is not real freedom. our party, the democratic party, is the party of real freedom. this is a clear contrast. we need to stand up, speak out on these issues. i think it says a lot about these republican candidates. that they believe that the path to the nomination of the republican party today is bigger government that limits your freedoms. the exact opposite of where the republican party was a few decades ago. i think it is a clear contrast. i think it is one of the reasons why we won this race in pennsylvania. i think it is a formula for our party success in the future. we are the party of real freedom. this weekend in philadelphia, as these candidates courted that group, i think this proves that they are not for real freedom. >> there is a recent poll, i'm sure you've seen, that shows how tight the race between president biden and former

president trump currently is in pennsylvania, as it often is. the poll shows 47% for trump, 46% for biden. also, in the same poll, you have a much higher approval rating buy multiples at double digits and president biden. i know you've been working very closely with the biden administration, working on economic policies and a lot of these bills that have passed. that doesn't appear to be resonating with voters as it relates to his approval rating. why do you think that is? >> you know, look, jen, there will be a binary choice at the end of the day. it will be president biden running for reelection against one of these anti-freedom republican candidates. when you have that clear binary choice, i think that it's safe to probably assume that it will be close in pennsylvania. 2016 had thousands of votes, 2018 by several thousand votes. i don't think that's breaking news. i do think at the end of the day, president biden is in a

strong position to win in pennsylvania again. it's because not only is he standing up for real freedom, but because he's delivered for the good people of pennsylvania. he was my partner and reopening 95 in record time. the federal government was right there with us. he's deliver billions of dollars for our infrastructure. he's been there to make sure that we have the resources we need here in this commonwealth. i think it's that story is shared throughout our campaign, there is a clear choice. i think the voters will appreciate that, and i feel confident in his position. >> when it comes to the binary choice, there is this possibility of a third party candidates, but there are rumblings of that, i think it's safe to say. back in 2016, the margin between trump and hillary clinton is shorter than the third party vote and can't sylvania. how concerned are you that a third party candidate could play spoiler in the state in 2024? >> yeah, look, i don't honestly

know if that's going to be a real possibility, or if it's just something folks are talking about right now. i think there will be a clear choice at the end of the day between whoever the republican nominee is, and president biden. i think he has a lot to make the case here for our infrastructure resources he has delivered, to others support that he shown pennsylvania. he is a strong story to tell here in the commonwealth, and i'll be telling that story alongside him. >> you spearheaded the successful reopening of the i-95 bridge, just 12 days after a collapse, pretty impressive as someone who grew up on the east coast, it's a pivotal, pivotal road. we know that not just republicans are skeptical of government and spending, but there is kind of a skepticism and the country of institutions, and the effectiveness of government. this is an example of it working. how can you use that as an example to counter that argument out there? kind of rebuilt some trust in institutions. >> but yeah, it's a great

question. look, as you know, from going up on the east coast, i mean, this is a major thoroughfare. hundred and 60,000 cars and trucks every day from folks trying to get to work, families on vacation, trucks getting their product to the marketplace, so when that vote quite literally, jen, collapsed, the expert said that it would take months to reopen. we took an all hands on deck approach. we brought everyone together. federal, state, local folks. engineers, lawyers, and others who needed to get this done. i said we're going to work together. literally, 24/7 to get that done. we reopen that route in 12 days. they said it couldn't happen, but it dead. as we were going through this process, to really get at the heart of your question, i think it was critically important to show not only the commonwealth of pennsylvania, but the nation. you, know what we talk about every day in the governor's office, the gst attitude. you know, get stuff done attitude. >> it's a family show. >> i don't want to get bleeped.

i don't wanna get bleeped. you know, to show the government can be a force for good. when the government comes together, we can solve big problems again. i think it is a great example of the power, and the reach of government, when we work together. when we do things, jen, that are common sense. when we don't run to extremes. when we run together, and work together, to focus on results. i was pleased not only that we could get that road reopened and really record time, but i was pleased when i visited the bars in the restaurants and that affected area that we'd really lost all their customers for those 12 days. i was pleased when i went in there and i was chatting with folks, trying to encourage people to come back to the bars and restaurants. i was encouraged when they said, hey, man, look, i didn't think government could do it, but you'll prove me wrong. you showed what government can do. that makes me feel good. as someone who believes in the power of government, we believe so we can be a force for good

and positive change, the fact that this road reopening helps people see that? i think that's an important message for our commonwealth, and for our country. >> pennsylvania governor, josh shapiro, thank you for your time this afternoon. next, melissa will join me to talk about the impact of the supreme court unraveling decades of progress with the decisions they handed down this week. plus, alaska education secretary, miguel cardona, about the next steps of the biden administration after the court scrapped one of the presidents key initiatives. later, virginia delegate, danica ron, who made history as one of the first trans public officials, brings me to our favorite local diner and our latest weekend routine. st weekend routine market, you'll find fisher investments is different than other money managers. (other money manager) different how? aren't we all just looking for the hottest stocks? (fisher investments) nope. we use diversified strategies to position our client's portfolios for their long-term goals. (other money manager) but you still sell investments that generate high commissions for you, right? (fisher investments) no, we don't sell commission products. we're a fiduciary, obligated to act in our client's best interest.

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on civil rights, gay rights, unraveled at the hands of six

right-wing, unelected, supreme court justices serving lifetime terms, by the way. it's not just social progress. your financial future may take a hit as well because there's decisions. if you are one of the 43 million americans eligible to have your student loans -- you cannot be on the hook for as much as $20,000 you weren't planning for. that could mean putting off purchasing a home, creighton a business, or maybe even starting a family. when it comes to your personal labs, these conservative justices clearly will not restrain themselves from rolling out matters that really should be a matter of public policy. what about legal precedent? the supreme court just struck down decades of its own opinions that have held a key civil rights policy. is a person's race illegitimate factor in determining places? the court says yes. >> federal leaders are having

general approval of such programs. >> tonight, the supreme court has spoken. and affirmative action is here to stay, at least for now. at least in some form. the >> court is ruled by 5 to 4 vote that diversity justifies the raising of admissions. >> the court said colleges and universities can continue to use in their admissions. >> a big boost given to college admissions, upholding the program at the university of texas of austin, formative action makes classes more diverse, and educational plus. >> i guess that doesn't matter anymore. what about the other facts. shouldn't they -- when it comes to changing the history of lgbtq plus americans? the website designer who just provided a letter as evidence that a game and had contacted her to make a gay wedding website. but, this is a big but, it

turns out that letter could be fake. in an interview with the guardian, the man in questions that he never contacted the designer, never center an email or message, and, fact according to the washington post, he's been married to a woman for 15 years. he also happens to be a web designer himself. as the new -- he says i'm married, i have a child, i don't know where that came from. someone is using false information and supreme court filing documents. if facts and decades of legal precedent can so easily be ignored, what other hard fought rights in this conservative majority in the supreme court take away from all of us? joining me now is austin murray, she's a professor at and why you law school and was a law clerk for then justice sonia studio more at the u.s. court of appeals. thank you for joining me. i've never wanted a law degree more. grateful that you're with me today. i want to start with something that justice clarence thomas said to janitor joe biden join

his confirmation hearing in 1991. let's watch the video, then we'll talk about it on the other side. >> did you say that affirmative action programs are all right as long as they're not based on race? >> i said that we, from a policy standpoint, i agree with affirmative action policies, and focus on disadvantaged minorities, and disadvantages individuals in our society. >> for example -- >> i'm not commenting on the legality or constitutionality. >> there are hours of videos of course of confirmation hearings from all of these justices. we're flying to know what's happening now with affirmative action, and with abortion a year ago, do you think he and other conservative justices or a little disingenuous during their hearings? >> whether they're disingenuous or not, they're going to say whatever they like at the confirmation hearings. it's up to the senate to decide whether they're genuine or not,

and to vote in a way that does provide the president with consent when he is nominating a justice. the real point of the question, the underlying issue i think, is the idea that this court, the absence of any check from congress has relegated so much power to itself that it no longer follows the president of earlier course, in essentially, it's legislating in the way that it likes. the affirmative action decision is a key aspect of this. the court doesn't like affirmative action, even the earlier courts who confirmed that it was constitutional. this court has decided that it doesn't believe it's constitutional. it disagrees. so when you have so this court is definitely doing what it wants. >> i don't want to be alarmist here, but people should know what to expect. when we're looking at other precedents that they can overturn arm, are you concerned that game marriage might be next? what else could be on the chopping block? >> every president is on the

chopping block because this court has made it clear that they're not bound by in decisiveness, especially in circumstances when it comes to interpreting the constitution. and i said repeatedly last year in jobs, that they are free to look at these precedents and to correct in what they believe are egregious errors. everything is on the table. justice thomas told us in the dobbs case. there's griswold bars as connecticut that illegal as contraception. there loving versus virginia, he's let this pass. again, it's here in this new case. of course obergefell raises bigger questions. it's not clear that there is going to be an immediate assault on gay marriage, but the decision in this case, that was the case of this website to provide services for same-sex couples, that's the beginning opening salvo, chipping away at the kinds of services and expectations that couples might have in the public sphere. this is once you normalize that you can treat same-sex couples

differently, you're well on your way to rolling back recognized rights. >> there was a right-wing advocacy group, as you, know that brought this affirmative action case of the supreme court after thursday's decision, stephen miller, who we all remember was an adviser to former president trump, sent a threatening letter to 200 school, saying his legal group is prepared to sue if they don't abide by the courts ruling. how does this, in your view, and bolden right wing groups, go after right wing groups. how do you expect for schools to respond to these legal challenges? >> i think this is the point, what they made clear in the opinion that there wasn't taking o questions of race off the table. and individual can discuss his or her racial background and their admissions essay, so long as they connected to leadership or courage. i think that was because of intervention that justice jansen made an argument asking and whether it was okay for legacy applicants to talk about their family histories, or

whether was still okay for black applicants to talk about their family history as well. this seems to be a compromise for chief justice broker. stephen miller and others like him want to chill all questions of college admission processes going forward. in the space where there is confusion, perhaps, or uncertainty about what the court needs, and what this decision requires, he stepped into the breach to basically threaten colleges in universities in the hopes that these threats will chill what is actually still lawful conduct right now. i encourage colleges who are thinking about their admissions -- and to look at this decision, to be very clear about it. the court says very plainly that you can invite applicants to talk about their family backgrounds, not just their racial backgrounds, and the ways this relates to their identity and personal characteristics. >> melissa murray, thank you

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so, where do we go from here? i am grateful to have joining me right now, someone who can really help answer these questions. he is the education secretary, miguel cardona. i just want to start here. so many people across the country, students, people who are paying loans, they have a lot of questions. on friday, president biden announced a new plan to work around the courts rulings on the administration student that program by using the 1965 higher education act. what are the next steps in that? because a lot of that is on you. and how long do you anticipate it will take, or people should expect it to take? >> sure. thank you for having me, jen. you know, it's really important, first of all, that borrowers hear loud and clearly that we are not stopping the fight, that we recognize how important it is. as you mentioned, within hours of that supreme court decision, which we totally disagree with, i think it's wrong. we announced that we are moving forward with another pathway to debt relief. there's gonna be a public

hearing, negotiated rulemaking process which as the president said friday, takes a little bit longer. but it's a pathway that we have available to provide that relief. and we are gonna be using that. and we are starting the process. we started it friday. and the first step is an open hearing that will be taking information and taking public comments, and that's happening in july. >> so, as part of this announcement, there is going to be a 12 month period for borrowers payments payment on october. so, you are kind of freaking out right now, because they're not sure if they can make their payments, they don't know if their current salaries would allow them to make their payments, what would you tell them on how that would work? >> sure, 43 million people are waiting for a positive decision on friday. and we are gonna keep fighting. in addition to the rulemaking process that's gonna move us forward with another plan for debt relief, we are providing to other things. on ramp, what we are calling on

ramp, while interest will accrue, and payments are due, we are not gonna be harming those who are struggling to make payments for the first 12 months. we are calling it an on ramp. we are not gonna be giving information to credit reporting agencies. we want to make sure we are preventing people from falling into default delinquencies, and we are putting that on ramp, again. also, ruling out our safe income driven repayment program. basically, i'm excited about this, jen, this is a big deal. for undergraduate students, their loan payments will be cut in half. if your salary is less than $43,000 a year, your salary -- excuse me, your loan payment will go down to zero dollars. we are making sure that we are ruling on a plan that is responsible, where people are not gonna be asked to pay more than they can afford. so, we have three things. we have the debt relief plan that we are rolling out. we have the income driven repayment plan, which is new, and it's the best one ever. and we have the on ramp to make sure that we are supporting our

borrowers as we return to payment. >> is there any reconsideration, because this is a big question up there, of extending the pause on payments which would resume in october? >> you know, initially, we communicated 60 days after the lone, after that decision was made by the supreme court, payments will resume. and then, with the debt negotiation conversations, that was really put to rest. congress said there is no way we can do that. either way, they are going to start. but we want to make sure we are doing it in a way that is supportive of our borrowers, and recognizing the fact that for many of them, they are gonna be struggling to make payments. and that they have been in pause for three years. and we need to support them in this process, and that's what we are doing. >> before i let you go, i just want to ask you about something former president trump keeps saying, which is that, principles, i should say, should be elected and also fired by votes from parents. you are a lifelong educator. why would that be damaging? what about that concerns you? >> you know, i was an

elementary school principal for ten years. i am an educator. and i think, you know, the absurdity that comes out of his mouth is just, it baffles me. you know, the last two days we've dealt with decisions that bring back education decades. this is the same president that is talking about smaller government, now wanting to have his hand in the classroom, overreaching -- please, look, we have trained professionals out there that are working closely with parents. we are supporting, making sure that our parents and educators work together to have decisions being made at the ground level. the last thing we need someone to try to score political points by creating culture wars and efficient in our country. our kids need us to work together and to be student centered. right now, the division that they are promoting in education is harming kids. and we are not gonna stand for it. we keep fighting for our borrowers. we are gonna keep fighting for access to our education, and in the k-12 space, we're gonna make sure those kids have the

opportunities that they deserve. >> so many questions around education, the cost of college, how you're gonna pay for it? we hope we can have you back to talk more about this. education secretary miguel cardona, thank you so much for joining me this afternoon. coming up next -- my thoughts on how the gop is putting one group against another for political gain, and why it reminds me of a very old playbook. plus, virginia -- takes me to her favorite diner in her district. that's coming up, right ahead. ♪ ♪ ♪ in the app, and get one free. everyone loves free stuff chuck. can we get peyton a footlong? get it before it's gone. on the subway app.

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>> so, lately, i have been noticing the reemergence of a very old gop playbook that harkens back to president richard nixon's infamous southern strategy. during his campaign for presidency in 1968, that gop made a concerted effort to reach white southerners, who used to vote for democrats by playing to their fears of african americans and the civil rights movement. and it worked by putting one group of americans against another, the gop successfully managed to split off southern whites from the democratic party. now, decades later, the right-wing is reviving in that same playbook. this time, with muslim americans and trans people. hear me out, here, the gop is trying to recruit muslim americans, a community that makes up less than 2% of the

u.s. population, against another tiny marginalized group of americans, transgender people. it's important to remember that back in 2011 during that republican primary, the right-wing had designated muslim americans as public enemy number one. no surprise, given that conspiracy theorist, remember the birther's, i do, have been trying for years to portray president obama as a trojan horse for sharia law. republican after republican candidate jim up fear about the fabricated threat caused by an islamic doctrine by islamic centuries. to them the imaginary prospect of sharia law in this country was scarier than gun violence, climate change, and more important to discuss then say, millions of people who did not have health care. >> i do not believe in sharia law in american courts. i believe in american laws, in american courts. >> if we think that there is an undermining now, just wait if

syria is adopted or utilized by justices in the united states. >> accepting sharia in the united states is the end of our civilization as we know it. no jurisdiction will tar tolerate ending sharia in the united states of america. >> the end of our civilization as we know it, so he says. of course, there was no chance sharia law was going to be implemented in the united states. now, trump's origin story is the birther movement is a part of that. but all of this set the stage for him to make this declaration as a candidate in 2015. >> donald j trump is calling for a total and complete shut down of muslims entering the united states. >> now, fast forward eight years, and the right-wing has focused their fearmongering on trans people. and who better to go after the new enemy than the old enemy? consider this from 2015. >> we cannot be the warehouse of all these, you know, muslim people coming from these

farflung lands where, we are just not gonna be able to control who becomes radicalized, who doesn't because of technology, it's impossible. >> now, if you can believe it, laura ingraham is rallying muslims against folks in schools with lgbtq+ names. >> of catholics and other questions, other faiths, have been waiting for the muslims to step up on this issue. >> and in an interview later with santa for, laura ingraham's guest, we just saw on the screen, couldn't believe how ironic this all is. he said, quote, five years ago, laura was saying we should not have muslims in this country. now, she is saying thank god the muslims are here. just to summarize, the right wingers, the conspiracy theorists, the birther's, they now want us to forget the years they spent fearmongering about muslims and is lump. ten years ago, standing against sharia law was the key gop litmus test. now, that litmus test seems to

be, you oppose transgender people. just listen to what trump himself had to say about that. even he doesn't exactly know why he is attacking them. >> it's amazing how strongly people feel about that. you see them talking about cutting taxes, people go like that, talk about transgender, everyone goes crazy. who would have thought five years ago, you did not know what the hell it was. >> so, what you just heard in that video, that sounds an awful lot like, and reminiscent of what george wallace, a staunch segregationist once told a newspaper editor. quote, you know, i tried to talk about good roads and good schools, and all these things that have been part of my career, and nobody listened. and then i began talking about black people, and they stormed the floor. so, let's be clear. this is the same old gop playbook, another cynical ploy to tear the fabric of our society, and damage the idea that out of many, we are one, all because they want so desperately to regain the white

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roem made history in 2017 when she became virginia's first openly transgender elected official. now, six years later, she is running for state senate. i sat down with danica roem at one of her favorite restaurants to learn more about her journey. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> is this a place you technically would come on a weekend when you have some time? >> i just come here during the day, you know, for breakfast, one, two, three, four times a week. and you have to catch up. one of the best ways to interact with your constituents is to go where they are. it's like, hey, how are you all doing? tell me what's on your mind. and there's always stuff on their minds. >> i love that. you are the first trans person to be elected in virginia. and you are known by a lot of

people for that. but a lot of people don't know about how you grew up. you grew up around here. what was your childhood like? >> i want to public school from kindergarten through third grade. and then, i spent the next 13 years in catholic school from fourth grade all the way to college. >> how did you feel in that catholic school? >> i hated the uniform, that's for sure. you know, especially when you are -- not a good thing. >> it did not feel like? you >> did not feel like me. >> was there a person in your life who helped to become the person you were meant to be? >> in terms of being trans, like, i did not talk to anyone about it -- >> not at all in high school? >> no, i was scared of death, absolutely. >> what were you scared of -- >> complete authorization. just to be singled out, i mean, one gay person in all the school. and i saw him getting belittled. so, i just didn't have outlets for expressions. >> i heard that your name,

danica, might have a bit of a connection to the love of heavy metal. >> yes, this name -- it's kind of like you are putting on a jacket and trying to figure out something that fits, a glove. something apocalyptic, and especially there's a feeling for it -- and yes, that's the one. it just clicked and it felt right. and one of the things about when you come out as trans is when things start going right for you in terms of how people just talk to you. you know, the first time they get your pronoun correct, not because they were being kind to, but because it's how they saw you in the world. it just feels good -- >> and how old were you when you felt that euphoria? do you remember a particular moment, day, interaction? >> i worked for a medical newspaper here for more than nine years. and there was a day where, you know, i was born into

transition, you know? i was at a high school all across, and i was just interviewing the team afterward. and, it's a pickle thing -- conducted an interview. and it's super polite. they are like, yes, ma'am. there is nothing to correct. this is the first time they actually got it right. >> what advice do you give to the young danica roem's out there who may see you're talking publicly about your own experience, who see hundreds of bills being pushed forward. what advice do you give to them? >> be well because of who you are not despite it, and not for what other people tell you you are supposed to be. >> i know that you are a fellow library lover. i am as well. and you just wrote a book, and your loved books. so, i think we're gonna go check out your library. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> what do you love the most about libraries? >> the entire part of my community here. if they want knowledge on something, if they want to learn about stuff, they have a place where they are welcomed,

regardless of identifier's. everyone is welcome at the library or. and this is one of the ultimate equalizer's in the world. >> as a big reader, does it feel wild that your book here is in this library? >> i love the fact that my local library is carrying my book. it's really cool to have gone from this closet case here, to being afraid of telling anyone who actually was, and being able to express myself right here in this area, and now, putting it all on display. >> thank you for spending some time with me today. taking me to the library, and an amazing walk down the street -- >> thank you so much for coming here. so great to have you. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> my thanks to delegate danica roem for taking me on one of her favorite places to eat and of course the local library. we are back with more, after a quick break. k break.

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