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ted lieu was in the middle of that history. his reaction to what she said at the trump rally saturday, in just a few minutes. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> a very good day to all of you from nbc news here in los angeles. welcome, everyone, to alex witt reports. we have some breaking news this holiday weekend, two mass shootings overnight, seven people injured in wichita, kansas, and 30 in baltimore, where two people died. in wichita, police seized eight firearms close to the scene which appears to be a club. one person is in custody. the shooting in baltimore took place at an annual neighborhood block party. nbc's marissa joining me now from outside one of the baltimore hospitals where victims are being treated there. there was, that welcome. what more are you learning? >> alex, just to summarize some of what we know as of this morning, we know that there were 13 victims, including two

dead, 28 others injured and several of those injured in critical condition as of this morning. in fact, within the last hour, we had a chance to speak with someone who says they are a family member of one of those shot. she says her niece was shot twice, 16 years old. but by the time she got there, her niece was already discharged. you can imagine with this many victims, how many family members are scrambling to find more information on their loved ones. we know this is not the only hospital where people were taken. certainly, a chaotic scene here today in baltimore. so, just to lay out the scene, this happened according to police, around 12:30 this morning in baltimore as brooklyn neighborhood, for those not familiar, that is just south of the downtown inner harbor. and you know we understand that this neighborhood celebration of block party. and the scary and unsettling part of all of this is we understand that people thought that the gunshots were fireworks. and unfortunately, they did not have enough time. this is not the first time that i have reported on some sort of mass shooting during a fourth

of july celebration, where people mistook gunshots for fireworks. so, here we are again. baltimore's mayor brandon scott who's been in office since 2020, taking the opportunity to ask anyone who knows any permission to come forward, because there have been no suspects publicly identified quite yet. and also taking the moment to stress the need for stricter gun laws. >> this brings not just for baltimore, but for the country that need to deal with the flow of illegal guns into our communities, especially from neighborhoods outside of them. we continue to be focused on that here in baltimore, but our country has to be focused on that as well. >> so, alex, just to wrap up here, in terms of where things stand, we know 12 patients were taken to the shock trauma center here at the university of maryland medical center. and we do know for patients are being treated at the pediatric department. so, while we do not have a sense of that injuries, not

just motivation, but how this unfolded, you can imagine there were at least several minors who were among those injured at this block party overnight. alex? >> the fact that we know two are dead and 28 have been injured, that's a lot to know right there. thank you very much, marissa parra, we have more developing stories for you this hour. new reaction pouring into the sweeping supreme court rulings handed down by the conservative super majority. >> this was a fantastic win for individual liberty and freedom. and the democrats are upset because things did not go their way. but the people want. >> these are the types of rulings that signal a dangerous creed towards authoritarianism and centralization of power in the court. >> we are getting a new look at how americans are feeling about the decision. a new abc poll finds 53% believe the nation's highest court rules mainly on politics. while 33% say they rule mainly on the law. also new today, education

secretary miguel cardona, detailing new efforts to cancel student debt, after the cord pulled the presidents loan forgiveness plan. here's what he told msnbc last hour. >> it is a pathway that i have available to provide that relief. and we are gonna be using that. and we are starting the process. we started it friday. and that first step is an open hearing that will be taking information and taking public comments, and that's happening in july. >> and a record number of americans are flying this fourth of july weekend. the tsa is reporting it has seen a record 2.8 million passengers friday. but today, severe weather forced about two dozen flight cancellations. however, the transportation secretary pete buttigieg says a airlines are back on track. >> we thought cancellation rates and delay rates below 3%, below 2% coming into today. things look like they have quickly returned to normal. you look at where we were a year ago, where even on blue sky days, with no severe weather, there were

unacceptable levels of cancellations, delays. we've come a long way. >> we will have more on the weather in just a bit. first, reports on new reaction today to those big supreme court rulings. and we are gonna begin with nbc's monica at the white house for us. monika, welcome to you. what are you hearing from the administration today? >> alex, we are hearing from two key cabinet secretaries, who are really echoing the disappointment that you heard from president biden when he spoke out after those decisions on thursday and friday. of course, it was the end of affirmative action on thursday that we talked about when he was asked if this was in his opinion a rogue court, he replied this is not a normal court. and then on friday, when those decisions came down, about the wedding what site designer, and then the one that blocked student loan forgiveness plan. he went beyond those comments and reiterated that he was again completely dismayed by the outcome here. and specifically, when it comes to student loans, he is pledging to continue to look for and avenue directing his

department of education to create a new rule under the higher education act that would pursue this debt relief for 43 million americans. but there are a lot of questions about how that would work, who would qualify, and for how much? workso, that is why we did hear from the education secretary on msnbc a bit ago, saying that he's gonna pursue that, but it could really take months and months. now, separately, we are also hearing from transportation secretary pete buttigieg who was talking specifically about that 303 collective and creative case, the one that has to do with that wedding website designer. and he really framed it on the sunday show as being concerned about the fact that there is some cases, it seems, before the supreme court that are trying to come up with solutions, he says, before we are even seeing any problems. here's a little bit more of what he said. >> it is very revealing that there is no evidence that this web designer was ever even approached by anyone asking for

a website for a same-sex website. it appears this web designer only went to the wedding business for the purpose of provoking a case like this. in other words, sending these kinds of things to the courts, and sending these kinds of things to state legislatures, for the clear purpose of chipping away at the equality and the rights that have so recently been one in the lgbtq+ community. >> so, these were back-to-back setbacks for the administration, and the president did speak to that. earlier in the week, before some of those key decisions, also on msnbc, the president was asked about whether he would still consider proposing any changes to the supreme court justices, as we know it. and he said that he thought that would actually further politicize the court, and so, he was not interested in adding justices, or changing term limits necessarily. alex? >> okay, monica alba at the white house, very comprehensive report, we thank you. joining me right now is california congress ted lieu, a

democratic member of the house judiciary, and foreign affairs committee. he's also a vice chair of the house democratic caucus. welcome, my friend. it is good to see you particularly on this holiday weekend. first question, what options do democrats have to push back against the high court's rulings? >> thank you, alex, for your question. let me first say that the american public increasingly sees discord as corrupt and facing a legitimacy crisis. we already have two supreme court justices who are conservative, who took lavish gifts from conservative billionaires, and failed to disclose them, in violation of all known ethical principles and the rule of law. and they have been making these decisions that harm ordinary americans. so, in terms of decisions, for example, regarding student loan debt, we can pass laws that fix that. and if democrats flip the house and hold the senate next year, then we are going to go ahead and pass laws that fix the student loan debt issue that

they went out, unnecessarily, made a ruling against. they also unnecessarily reached out and made a ruling against the lgbt case where there is no evidence that a gay couple had even submitted a request for a website design. >> yes, that was a detail i am glad you share that, it was pretty profound. having been said, some lawmakers as you know are calling to expand to the supreme court. now, president biden opposes the idea saying it will politicize it, maybe forever. where do you stand? >> there is nothing magical about the number of supreme court justices, nine. the constitution does not set a number. it's had different numbers of justices throughout our history. i support expanding the supreme court. because we have a radical extreme supermajority on the supreme court that is out of touch with american public. >> okay. we saw, as you well know, the impact of the end of roe v. wade in the midterm elections. as vice chair of the democratic caucus, do democrats think that

these rulings that we are discussing, could have a similar impact on 2024? >> these rulings are all part of a pattern of taking away people's rights, showing that this court is not only out of touch with the american public, but they are not acting as a court, where you are supposed to decide cases on controversies. there is a reaching out and deciding policy. so, for example, again, this website designer case is so significant because there is no actual case. it was a thick plaintive with a fake event that somehow they got this alleged request to make a wedding homosexual website. that was never made a request of. so, when the court reaches out and makes decisions for no good reason, that is setting policy. and you've got conservative supreme court that is trying to do that against prior judicial presidents. >> let's switch gears here,

sir. the independent reports that prosecutors may bring 30 to 45 additional criminal charges against former president trump, this is in the documents case. they are saying the doj is preparing to prepare a superseding indictment, and they could be brought in a different venue, depending on how the current case is going. john, as you know, is already facing 37 counts. but adding charges on top of that, any concern prosecutors are spreading themselves too thin, with more charges insight more criticism of being political? >> donald trump like any other criminal defendant in america is entitled to that presumption of innocence in a criminal court of law. the prosecutors, if they want to convict him, they have to do that beyond reasonable doubt, before a jury of regular americans. and it's completely up to prosecutors to put forth what charges they believe that donald trump violated, and to have the cries of which he is

charged against, have that evidence come before these regular citizens, the jury. we need to see what these prosecutors do. it is their process, a criminal process that has worked with all prior criminals. and it should be no different with trump. >> what about the new report from washington post, which is detailing it another trump phone call relating to the 2020 election, this went to arizona governor doug doocy, referring specifically to his shortfall of more than 10,000 votes in that state. it comes as federal prosecutors investigating efforts to overturn the 2020 election have now interviewed former trump lawyer rudy giuliani as well as georgia secretary of state brad raffensperger. do you think donald trump should be bracing for another indictment? should be bracing for anothe >> well, you know, today is sunday. we learn again that donald trump lost arizona. and if you read the article on the washington post this weekend, it's very clear that the governor of arizona told donald trump that he lost arizona, that they investigated all these alleged false claims,

and found there were not any. and we have multiple court cases in arizona all showing that the voters in arizona voted for joe biden over donald trump. trump simply lost. these, he is a loser. and he's trying to cheat his way into power. and, again, we find that the system held, and it prevented cheaters like donald trump from claiming the presidency of the united states. >> let me ask you about republican marjorie taylor greene, renewing calls to expunge former president trump's to impeachment in south carolina rally. assertation to this. >> working with the gop conference, chairwoman elise stefanik, correct the wrongs of the past. president trump's political impeachments led by nancy pelosi, adam schiff, and the democrats were so egregious that they must be erased from history. >> quick question for you there, if you could, your an impeachment manager in trump's second trial.

what does it say to americans if republicans actually end up voting for this? >> there is no such thing known as an expungement of an impeachment in the united states constitution. this is totally a made-up process. it is nothing more than a glorified press release with a fake vote. and by the way, with the second impeachment, there was bipartisan support in the house and the senate, 57 u.s. senators on bipartisan basis who voted to convict the highest in u.s. history. the constitution sets a high threshold, two thirds. but you can't just erase that. it was televised. otherwise, people saw it. and this is more stupid stuff from a radical republican caucus. >> and there you have it, congressman ted lieu, many thanks for your time as always. a new read on the political impact of trump's indictments, are supporters standing by their man? and later, some key dates to look for as the legal problems for the former president mount. plus, new rehab reaction to an interview we did yesterday that is still getting a lot of attention. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> i watched him so documents

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63 million are under these heat alerts right now and as you mentioned alex, it is focused mainly towards the southeast where plenty of people including places like atlanta tallahassee new orleans, under a heat advisory. meanwhile, in the southwest, extending up into parts of the pacific northwest, we've got heat advisories and we've got the excessive heat warning in place right now for places like las vegas and phoenix. those places are normally hot but we are ending up in the afternoon hours today, 112 for the afternoon high in tucson this afternoon. 111 is the record if we had that 112 or break that record that is current. palmdale heads to 109, and that would tie the record. 107 for sacramento, just a couple degrees shy of that record. there would be more than 30 records possible across eight states today does include places in the southeast. new orleans, headed to 90 degrees, triple digits for the record right now. but those feels like temperatures are gonna be really unbearable and quite uncomfortable as well. looking ahead to your monday, tuesday, know the weekend is going to extend into the early part of next week, and these temperatures and phoenix, they

only get towards. 115 on monday. 100 54 riding on monday. and 106 on tuesday. the good news is we are slowly starting to trend down in places like dallas, nashville, new orleans. these temperatures are gonna still be in the mid 90s for monday. but they will end up in the upper 90s for tuesday and high 90s by wednesday. but beyond that, we will start to see things cooling down as the passing flow front works through. out west, we will have to wait until the later part of our upcoming work week to see some changes, as far as the temperatures are concerned there, alex. >> all right, hydrate with water, everyone. thank you, angie lassman. donald trump is back on the campaign trail airing grievances about everything from his legal troubles to the current administration. nbc's vaughn hillyard was at the trump rally in pecans, south carolina. ivan, welcome. trump is considered a trump front runner, of course, i mean, was that obvious. did you get that impression yesterday? >> it was very obvious, alex. let's be very frank. there were thousands and thousands that turned up in rural western south carolina. the town of pickens is just

about 3000 people, but she had folks driving from all around the greater area. it was a hot day yesterday, two and she's point, and for donald trump, though, it was much of a campaign rally. it was one, two, conjure up and galvanize defense around the legal perils that he faces. defense aroundi want to let youy from trump in which he talked about the stakes of not only the indictments and the charges against him, but also defending, the pending investigations that are still underway. take a listen. >> never forget our enemies want to stop me because i am the only one who can stop them. if these corrupt prosecutions of our people succeed, they will complete the takeover of this country. this country will be taken over by these lunatics, and destroy your way of life forever. and you know, when that happens, there is no coming back. it will be gone. >> alex, this was in the

backyard of tim scott and nikki haley, both from south carolina. and donald trump, the clear front-runner, not only in polling, but also in purely the amount of energy and the clear movement that continues to be seen around the country. this is now the ninth summer of trump rallies. and for donald trump, this is very much, it's much about the political as it is about the legal. and what you just heard from him was engaging the masses around his legal cases. and for donald trump, it is paramount to him to continue to not only put up his own defenses here, but make them part of his offensive campaign, as he seeks to really make this as much about the republican primary days as about the legal ones, alex. >> okay, vaughn hillyard, many thanks. revisionist history, marjorie taylor greene, comments said yesterday by her, it's gonna make you shake your head. but you won't shake your head at this, if you are in

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supreme court struck down affirmative action and student loan debt relief, it was that directly impact millions of black americans. and their reactions could have major impact on the 2024 race. joining me from the essence festival in new orleans is nbc's priscilla thompson. priscilla, welcome. tell me what people are saying about these decisions, and how they might influence their votes. >> yeah, alex. i think disappointed would be an understatement in terms of what we are hearing from folks here. a lot of people are really talking about the generational impact that these decisions will have. we spoke to one woman in her 50s, who has been paying off student loans since the 90s. and she's still making payments on them as her son is getting ready to go to college, and taking out loans to attend community college. and she talked about the

inability to even help him, because she is paying off her loans. another woman talked to us about just the wage gap, the racial and gender wage gap that exists in this country, and that she was told to go to college and get this education. and now, there is this wage gap. and it is really compounding some group's ability, to pay back those loans. we also spoke to a lot of folks about that affirmative action decision. and i want to play some of the conversation that we had with a mother and daughter here. take a listen. >> i've been going to public school in your city. it's not like i went to a private school that, you know, maybe my application would have looked, like that, or i did not have parents that went to college, you know what i mean? like a legacy, i did not have any of that. so, you know, it definitely breaks my heart to see that that is happening. not only for younger brown girls, but you know, for women in general, period. >> i was, i believe, i thought it was gonna be about legacy. you know, if you have parents making donations to schools, then you will be admitted, you

know? they are gonna leave the unfortunate behind. >> and one of the questions we asked is whether voters felt like this was a failing of the biden administration or really a severe court issue. and that is important because this is a huge gathering of black women, black voters. we know that in 2022, black voter turnout, actually dropped by about 10% compared to the 2018 midterms. and we certainly saw that on friday, as these decisions were coming out, vice president kamala harris was actually here speaking to this key constituency. and what we've heard from folks here is that this has energized them. they feel like we are going back in time. and, so it is energizing them to vote in order to ensure that we don't continue to go backwards, as they would say. alex? >> thank you, priscilla, for bringing those outstanding realities to the forefront. i appreciate that. it has been a busy week in that donald trump investigations. there are some key events to look forward to that maybe

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investigation into donald trump. his inner circle is now wrapped up with doj prosecutors. three current trump staffers, susie wildes, liz harrington, a martyr girl martin, identifies the scene at that monster in 2021 when trump disclosed classified documents. it could not be potential witnesses against him. a pre-trial hearing is set for july 14th 14th in florida, but his co-dependent in l.a., we'll knock a, has not yet been arraigned. two former trump campaign

insiders, rudy giuliani and michael roman, have reportedly given voluntary interviews with doj prosecutors investigating the 2020 fake electors scheme. one former trump white house insider personally witnessed trump mishandling government documents. >> i watched him show documents to people of mar-a-lago on the dining room patio. he has no respect for classified information, never dead. very difficult to get a security clearance. i think if people, they miss what's in the reads, obviously, but to be showing it to people who haven't gone through the extreme betting that you go through to get a clearance, it's a disservice to the contrary but also puts people in danger, potentially. joining me now, luke broadwater, pulitzer prize-winning congressional reporter with the new york times, and harry lippman, former u.s. attorney, former deputy assistant to attorney general, and host of the talking feds podcast. welcome to you both. the loop, so many head spinning

the headlines in recent days. what are you hearing from your sources about the investigations and what's highest on your radar? >> you're right, if you talk to allies of donald trump, they fully expect him to be charged in all of the investigations. both the january six investigation that the jacks mitt is running, and also the investigation and georgia, which is also into another element of january six. >> hey, luke, can i ask you, let me ask you, do they have those expectations because they're seen legal reasons, they're seen evidence that is pointing towards this, or at least allegations of such, or do they think, oh this is political new just going after him? >> they probably think a bit of both, right? they're watching the evidence that we are reporting on, the news your reporting on. they see the things that are coming out, the witnesses that

are going, and the questions that are being asked. the breakthroughs that jack smith has haven't in courts, forcing people to testify, and getting documents. they see this is a very serious investigation. this looks like it's pretty clear, to them, where this is headed. if you keep on who you talk to, it's also called a witch hunt that it's unfair, it's a travesty of justice, those sort of things as well. there is an expectation that there probably will be additional charges against donald trump, and potentially some of his allies. and you, know we've seen certainly in georgia that the has been some testimony that they expect that many people could be charged down there. yeah, i mean, just bringing rudy giuliani and mike roman. you can see very clearly that they have, you, know the justice department has charged more than 1000 people in connection to the riot.

then they started building up the investigation into how people got to the protest. and now they're going full speed ahead on the false electors scheme. and rudy giuliani and mike roland were two of the key people to organize that. >> yeah. i think it's really important for people, when they go and testify, there's this thing called perjury. you know, you don't across that line. meanwhile, harry, when you listen to people like stephanie grisham, who worked very closely with trump, the way she's talking about how he handled documents, do you get the sense that there may be more witnesses available than doj actually needs to prove its cases? >> for sure. those seven pictures that you have behind, you, alex you have to imagine that there is a white board in special counsel jack smith's office with more 70 or more. we just get what we get. it's only pieces of a much larger puzzle that smith is

absolutely looking at. i do want to highlight the two on the right though, because that really shows the prosecutorial engines are rubbing a full speed. you call those voluntary interviews. what really happened in both cases as those two men ran into the department of justice, maybe to light, to say, let me tell you, will you listen to, i will offer my story in the hope that you will give me a better deal. they've learned, especially from row, and that his deputy was already and they're fasten up. giuliani knows the same thing. it's a strong indication that smith is near the sort of circle just around trump. one more quick point, january six we have to remember comprises a four or five different schemes. the false electors is just one of them. smith could be preparing something very big or more tailored. i think it's more likely to be a false electors case. the other stuff, they'll go

into the can. and maybe he'll do it later. a more discreet charge makes more sense for him, that's what they'll do. >> yeah, listen, it's a report that donald trump has and trusted -- probably for good reason, they're being called in. luke, several new headlines highlight the role that -- appear to be having in this investigation. what are you hearing about the charges being filed in new jersey? >> you know, that's interesting. us in the news media, we focus so intensely in mar-a-lago for so long. if you look at some of the violations that are alleged to occur, bedminster has become a focus. you know, i don't, how could they bring additional charges up there? that's certainly a possibility. you know, i don't have any direct reporting that that is a minute. >> okay. what about one of the big headlines this weekend,, it's that the independents reporting

is saying that prosecutors could hit trump and allies with 30 to 45 new charges. nbc news has not yet confirmed this report. is their arrest to having simultaneous investigations, and having the bottleneck over the summer? >> yes. there is a bigger risk of bringing rain, 30, to 45 is the little deceptive. let's remember that he's already been charged with 37 counts. the real question is will it be one for small factual scenario, or broad ones. i'm but mr., by the, way they showcase that in the indictment of paragraph six. it is not clear that they have the goods to charge yet. the real question is now the number of counts, but, rather scenarios. will they bring a tailored case, will they bring nothing, and i agree with luka's, it's unlikely. will they bring a taylor case focusing on false electors? at least i? it makes a lot of sense. especially with what's happening in the mar-a-lago

case. or will they sprawl with a huge count as it looks as if fani willis may be doing in fulton county georgia which could include, almost certainly, giuliani and trump. i'm going for the goldilocks church of the small one, but so much we don't see, even as we begin to see little bit more of what smith has assembled. >> absolutely. there's so much more to come, which means i'll look forward to seeing you both very soon. luke, harry, have a good fourth. what was it like to be in the courtroom at the supreme court on friday? nbc's gary grumbach was there, he's going to tell us what it was like. this is as justice sonia sud admire read her review from the bench. from th bench. for freeee. that's what i'm talking about. order in the subway app today.

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importance and gravity of the decisions made here with the conservative justices. they understood the long lasting implications of the decisions they were made again. one moment i'd point out to you is when justice clarence thomas was given his decision on the government of action case, all the justices were looking at justice thomas as he was giving that, except for justice ketanji brown jackson, the only other black member of the court. she was looking out into the courtroom the entire time. almost a pained look on her face throughout the entire time that justice thomas is reading his extensive concurrent opinion. this will be about the time that -- you could understand what that sounded like, but there is no sound to toss to on this because the supreme does not really sound from the opinions. they only do, only recently started doing it, from the arguments themselves. i think that speaks to the old fashioned, old-time nature of the supreme court.

when we walk into the courtroom, and the justices walk, in and they come in at the strike of ten on the analog clocks that was about the bench, they walk, and they sat, down there was a -- and they began reading the opinions. that is how it works in the supreme court. there is a dozen reporters, about 100 members of the public. they lined up outside the supreme court to be able to walk in, but it was very clear that everyone that was in the room understood the gravity of the opinions, forget it for bad, that were being made. >> very, very interested in. what a position you had there. thank you. new reaction to roger teach trailer agreed to erase presidential history. that's next. plus, this headline. how does the supreme court gave just democrats into 2024 rallying cry. rallying cry by providing blankets for comfort and warmth and encouraging messages of hope to help support nearly three hundred thousand patients facing cancer nationwide.

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recalling -- to expunge president trump's impeachments. >> i've been working with the gop calm friends chairwoman to correct the wrongs of the past. president trump's political impeachments, led by nancy pelosi and the democrats, were so egregious that they must be a race from history. >> joining me now, don calloway. democratic strategist and founder of the protection find. -- and david jarry, former republican congressman and political analyst. my sunday family. good to have you here on the holiday weekend. dawn, what is this about? what is marjorie taylor greene doing? by the way, representative ted lieu told me earlier in the shell that there is no such thing as expunging someone who's been impeached. that doesn't even exist. >> that's true, that's a legal

fiction. i think the great ted lieu said is that this is, and i quote, stupid. there is no reason to spend time doing that. i do have to connected to what we're seeing as another legal fiction coming out of the supreme court. but the supreme court did in creating a controversy where the was not one with the gay marriage website cases historically repugnant to article three of the constitution, and really and principles of legal semblance of order. if you combine that, which is supposed to be above the politics up the craziness of marjorie taylor greene, if you combine that legal fiction that supreme court pulled off by creating and concocting a case of controversy with her creating an cocking the idea and the expungement of an impeachment, we are witness sane and unprecedented time. not only crazy politics, and not only exclusionary or hateful politics, but wanting

to abdicate proper legal procedures. that is when we devolve into a true banana republic. this thing gets dangerous for real peoples lives. >> souza, and what kind of message does the send of republicans and of trying to figure out a way to vote to expunges trump's impeachment? i mean, there is no legal path officially, but they figure out some way to do it. what message does that send? >> i don't see them figuring out a way to do it, but what the message says that kelly and calm white kind of kicked it off at the beginning of the trump administration, live in an alternative facts. now marjorie taylor greene wants us to live in an alternative reality. it's just fictional. it's just words, it's locker, up it's all these other things that go out there that are not going to happen, but are dangerous. i think don makes a great point. this is so dangerous and testing our democracy. every time that we see a member

of congress, as deplorable as she is, she still a member of congress, marjorie taylor greene. she has a voice. the fact that it's really important to recognize that the speaker doesn't try to temper down, and she is not held accountable, that's a dangerous, that's a dangerous situation. >> hey, you should be talking directly to her constituents. they vote her back. and there you have that. david, does talk of expunging trump's impeachments, as house republicans ramp up efforts to move ahead on possible impeachment proceedings against the president cabinet members, does it cheap in the power of impeachment? >> it does, but also the brandon image of the republican party. what you see it marjorie taylor greene, and those who follow her, is unserious, performative republican politics. that's the state of the party today. the only thing missing in the

trump rally is something about hunter biden. i'm sure that something she probably got there. i think the opportunity for democrats, alex, is all elections are about a contrast. if the focus of republicans is on false expunge meant of donald trump's impeachment, and jill biden and going after the president sign, it gives democrats an opportunity to say that we have a bold legislative agenda, particularly in the wake of the supreme court decisions. if you keep joe biden and the white house, we will change -- we will address changes to health care, we will address all of these things around student debt, and the real organization of student debt. trust us to legislate on policies that matter to america, while republicans engage in this clown show. >> okay. donald trump is campaigning, rattling support for campaign battles. here's what he said about his

situation. >> our enemies want to stop me because i am the only one who can stop them. if these corrupt prosecutions of our people succeed, they will complete the takeover of this country. this country will be taken over by these lunatics, and destroy your way of life forever. >> how critical is it for democrats to counter this message now that trump has been criminally indicted twice, because of all these scandals, increasing serious pressure on him. it's not diminishing his support, what will? >> nothing will diminish his support to other than organized efforts from democratic parties, those who historically -- and frankly, the five or 10% of persuadable to participate in every election. that's the only thing. true investment in organization. honestly, once somebody passes a basic sanity check, i don't give up like who runs for office.

democrats need to emphasize candidates, and emphasize organization. they need to emphasize mobilizing of the community. that's what they wish to go through over two, years four years. we see that the crazy ideology has not, and will not die. he is still the front runner. even if he's locked up in a jail cell, he could possibly still be the republican nominee next year. i don't think there's any countering this crazy on a tit-for-tat 0.4 point. organize, organize, organize the democrats. >> susan, 50,000 people show up a 90-degree heat in a town that is a population of 3000, for donald trump. what does that tell you? >> he tells me that 50,000 people like donald trump. i mean, it is significant. it's not his largest rally. it's only his second valley stone's he's announced his campaign officially, i kicked it off. it shows you that he is not going anywhere fast. his long as he is as a crowd, you'll play to it. >> david, do you see a repeat

of 2016 coming in? i mean, these rallies, the enormity of them, the fomenting of trumpism. >> yeah, look, war we said today, absolutely. you have donald trump on this a massive campaign of retribution, rhonda sanchez is taking a grievance campaign, and the targeting of marginalized communities even further. what we have seen is that republican voters continue to align with that. i won't even call it an ideology, that angry populism, that approach. look, very importantly, if you are packed the national polls for donald trump's lead, a look at his state by state, he's done double digits in iowa, new jersey, new hampshire, south carolina, nevada. this is donald trump's party still today. >> okay. you guys are still today my sunday family, i love you. all thanks so much. have a good one. that's going to do it for me on this edition of alex witt reports. happy fourth of july, everyone. i'll see you friday, 1 to 3 pm. again, next saturday, noon to two pm, and sunday one pm eastern.