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watching symone. a bad week for freedom, that's what democrats described the latest controversial decisions from the supreme court, one ruling opens the door for businesses to discriminate against the lgbtq+ community with the three or three -- we talk to colorado attorney general phil wiser about the case that originated in his state. when it comes to 2024 elections, most acute into the presidential race. what about the dozens of senate seats up for grabs and the governor mentions and lieutenants and a lot of states? we're launching a new series today talking to tenants explain the issues on the

ballots, and first up is josh fine horse to beat the next governor of north carolina. plus our culture critics are going to weigh in on this bad incident. it's getting out of control. i am symone towns in, and i have something to say. ♪ ♪ ♪ on the last day of pride month, the supreme court delivered a decision with devastating consequences for the lgbtq+ community and the laws designed to protect all of us from discrimination. i do mean all of us. in the 63 decision, the court ruled and three other creative violinist that it website design or could legally refused to create wedding sites for same-sex couples. even imaginary ones, because at the time that she brought the suit, petitioner lori smith did

not provide whether her services had been asked to provide wedding services to no one existed that wanted her to provide wedding services to a same-sex couple. i am not been penalized. she had not been penalized from the state of colorado for her intent to the 90 services. what i am saying is that the supreme court completely obscured it -- i did not know that they could do that. according to the initial petition, smith received an email at the day after she originally sued colorado in 2016, and the email read, quote, my name is stewart and my fiancée is mike. we are getting married early next year and we have some design work done for our invites, places, -- place names, et cetera. we also my stretch to a website. but journals at the new republic tracked down a stewart who had information that was the same as the state said in the filing, a heterosexual man already married. stewart told them, quote, i

wouldn't want anyone to make me a wedding website. i married, i have a child, i am not sure where that came from, but somebody is using false information in a supreme court filing document. the so-called alliance to defend freedom, which provided smith with legal assistance told the washington post that it was irrelevant whether smith actually received a legitimate request because you don't, quote, have to wait to be punished by the government to challenge and unjust a law. and the majority opinion written by justice neil gorsuch, the court said that some services such as what they design were inherently expressive and counted a speech. this is what they were. colorado seeks to force an individual to speak in ways that align with its views but defy her conscience about a matter of major significance. her conscience. john this sonia sotomayor disagreed, writing and hurricane descent, today, the court, for the first time in its history, grants a business open to the public, a

constitutional right to refuse to serve members of a protected class. she was very quick to celebrate the victory. >> this is a picture not just for me but for all of us, whether you share my beliefs or completely disagree with him, free speech is for everyone. >> yes, legal discrimination. this ruling based on an imaginary same-sex couple will have devastating impacts on lgbtq+ people who actually exists. according to the movement advancement project, 22 states and the district of columbia, they have stars explicitly protecting lgbtq americans from discrimination and public accommodation. under this ruling for the supreme court, any business that can claim the services cost free speech will now have a license to discriminate. pedal to of the civil rights act of 1964 says that a person should be entitled to the full and equal enjoyment at the

goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages and accommodations of any place of public accommodation, as the find and destruction without discrimination on the ground of race, color, religion or national origin. i bring that up because america has been here before, folks. do we think the people using the bible to shield their bigotry will stop with lgbtq community? joining me now to discuss is colorado's attorney general phil weiser. welcome to you, mister attorney general. i want to go to justice gorsuch opinion, because he had this to say this specifically about the states antidiscrimination law. under colorado's logic, the government may compel anyone who speaks for pay on a given topic to accept or commissions on that same topic no matter the underlying message. if the topic somehow bookcase accustom are statutorily protected trait. first of all, what is he saying,

and what is your response to that, mister attorney general? >> what he is trying to say is that here someone had a sri speech interest that was being implicated in a negative way, but the problem, first off, you said it will, this is a made-up case. this was based on hypotheticals, and the court did not at the deal with the whole equation. in a real case, you have a victim who is the night services, and the consequences of a court's ruling could be much more self evidence. but second, let's be clear, whoever creates a website, or whoever creates any artistic work can meet whatever they want. they had to sell it to everyone, and they cannot restrict the sales in a public business because they don't like someone 's ethnicity, religion, race, what have you. >> mister attorney general, the court, they eliminated the scope of the decision to what they are calling inherently expressive services, and they

classified the services as beach. i just don't think it ends here though. do you, and is this a challenge to the other challenge a tattoo of the civil rights act of 1964? >> this is both a societal challenge and a legal challenge. a societal challenge because we as a society now have a choice, if we have an espresso business. we can everyone and stand for our nation's motto for being for freedom, or now, as he said, people have a license to discriminate saying that i have an expressive product i will not offer to everybody. in terms of what this means as it legal matter, there is now a new defense that's never existed before. people can say i don't want to offer my product to some group because i don't believe in them. it could be religious, it could be gender. some say i am a photographer that believe i should look outside the home.

i will not take -- the shift and damage of the ruling is yes to come, and all of us charged with administering antidiscrimination laws is doing our best to eliminate it. >> so, in the wake of this ruling, obviously, this is something that you will have been watching closely, a.g.'s across the country, particularly you, given that the case originated in colorado. what is the game plan now that the supreme court has weighed in? >> again, there are two fronts. first, there is the societal front to make clear that we in colorado have a norm of conclusion. we have the nation's first openly gay governor. we have a commitment that we believe in serving everybody, so we need to make sure that everyone understands the importance of the american ideal. as a legal matter, we have to be prepared for individuals to try to take advantage of the exception, and the courts ought to work out with the exception means.

it's number existed before. what determined what is a expressive business, how do we decide who is truly exercising their free speech right, as opposed to trying to find some illegitimate excuse for discriminating? >> you touched on this briefly but, this case was entirely based on a hypothetical situation, preemptive, if you will. do you think we are going to see more petitioners petitioning the highest court in the land on hypothetical situations after this three or three creative fee alanis? >> i really appreciate this question. i think it relates to the dobbs case of last year that rolled back reproductive rights, because that was about a mississippi law that had a 15-week ban, and the court did not stop at 15 weeks. they set states can ban access to reproductive health care whenever they want. in this case, they did not have

any real facts, and they still reached an agreement to get to a decision that will have a lot of damage. this court has shown a willingness to rollback rights, to move aggressively and without caution and not to be as concerned about the consequences, as they should. and both of these two cases, the dobbs case and that the other creative case, i don't think the ruling will be sustainable. i think the american people will be outraged by, and i believe the court will ultimately have to overturn both of them. >> before i let you go, the high court also struck down race conscious mission practices at colleges and universities. i would argue that this goes further, we discussed about jobs and that the other creative case. what guidance have you given institutions but also private sector? >> we are going to be looking at that very question because we know that diversity matters

in our universities. it matters to an effective educational experience. there may be other ways in which you can ensure educational environments, even if we don't use race conscious ways of looking for that first class, that is something that we will have to take a closer look at. i read a lot about the outcome here because if you don't have a diverse learning environment, we're not going to realize the commitments of our nation to give every equal opportunity. this court is clearly on an aggressive terror looking to rollback rights, undermining progress that we have made. we have a chance to stand for progress. we need to redouble our efforts to fight for american ideals and equality and freedom for all. >> colorado attorney general phil weiser, thank you for your time and kicking us off today. last week was bad, folks, but some republicans actually want to make this attack on freedom and equal opportunity even course.

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people of color, lgbtq+ folks and more more on the impact of this past week supreme court decision, republican candidates are celebrating. they're actually bowing that if elected they will take the courts rulings to new extremes. >> can i just say, god bless the supreme court. they've corrected things on religious liberty, we're seeing that the correct things on student loans. but the affirmative action is really important. >> to vigorously enforce yesterday supreme court ruling i will eliminate all diversity, equity, and inclusion programs across the entire federal government. >> the sawgrass for day the supreme court uphold the constitution and say no racial discrimination in college admissions. and the way it's done in practice, dei better stance for, division, exclusion, and indoctrination. and that has no place in our

public institutions. >> he's crazy. one of those folks could be the republican party's nominee for president. the right word -- here discuss is my political panel, eugene daniels is the political white house correspondent. and i think he's also an msnbc political contributor. and jennifer warren is the former chair of the new hampshire republican party. i also believe she's now the host of the podcast, it's my favorite name of the podcast, is it just me or have we all lost our minds. jennifer it's not just. you i feel your pain here. this is not some fringe conversation. these are some of the republican presidential candidate gets. why is chipping away the rights of america in 2024 strategy, a good one? >> it sounds insane doesn't? it feels so backwards.

i heard your opening comments, symone, but the lgbtq+ is particularly -- it's exactly that. it's a direct affront on rights on individual rights. and it's so concerning to think about where this court could go with turning back rights. especially for that community when you think about the recent decisions on things like marriage. people are correct to be concerned about the responses, the remarks they're hearing from republican candidates among all of this. the most extreme remarks we just heard more from the most extreme canada, from donald trump. he said one of them could end up being the nominee. donald trump is going to be the nominee in my opinion. i don't see a path yeah that would take him away from. that to hear him say something so all inclusive as he will eliminate all dei programs everywhere, ever.

it's not just that it's so disturbing. it's genuinely dangerous. it undermines who we are as americans, it undermines all the progress that we've made over decades, and decades. and to see one of our country's major political parties being all in for that. he still has over 50% support of republican voters. that's frightening for democracy in america. >> as jennifer was speaking, eugene, the quote from the great my actual popped into bad, people should leave who there are, the supreme court has made quite clear, this court and showing the biden harris administration exactly who they are in these rulings. president biden did lay out some specific actions that he plans to take in response to this specific opinions this week. i spoke to the president

advisor yesterday, i asked if there were any reforms. that the president was willing to consider, not just consider, but -- essentially said, no. what is the white house's strategy here? >> at this point she's writing, and joe biden doesn't seem interested in all and performing the court. this man as you well know is someone who used to work for him. he's the ultimate institutionalist. he has spent more than 50 years in washington, d.c., he believes these things should. work and sometimes when you talk to some democrats what they say is that he misses and operates in a washington post,, see that doesn't often exist. for so the supreme court was -- when they weren't taking all of these cases. there used to be a time period where one of these cases would be at the end of the supreme court. and now we're getting more and more. that because people remake the social, political, and legal aspects of our lives. at this point the thing that they've been doing and saying

is come over, vote for, us pool as, and make sure you go in vote next november. because we're gonna do things that might infringe or rights. and will say -- voters are going to get irritated with being told, vote for us will fix this. if you give us more senators, will fix this. if you give us the houston presidency will fix that. they don't care about the filibuster, they don't care about other arcane rules that govern congress, or that biden 's -- they're gonna want results. and you're right on the my agile luplow. republicans said for more than 15 years that they want to get rid of roe v. wade. and democrats when they have the power didn't find waves to shore that up. they should've taken a lot more seriously. -- as of some sort of law that isn't the case. i think the democrats now are finally starting to understand and run on issues of the supreme court are more

important in their mind that the supreme court should. change >> the court did not used to be a large motivating factor for democratic voters. i would argue particularly over the last year and a half it's the courts for the people in the streets. i want to talk about a response from one of the decisions today, particularly about student loans. it came from republican senator marshall blackburn. she tweeted this, tennessee and should not be forced to pay for coastal elites to get their ph.d. in gender studies. today's supreme court ruling confirms what we've known for quite some time. president biden's student loan forgiveness plan is an unconstitutional power grab. and even before this decision came down you had presidential candidates like south carolina senator, tim scott, and others that were framing student debt forgiveness as a coastal elite thing, suffered from working class americans. jennifer, working class people are the folks with student that,

i'm just making it make sense. >> i can't make sense of marshall blackburn's feet. too many out there that -- but the idea of trying to create this narrative that student loan debt is an issue that's about coastal elites is just dishonest. it's manipulative. it's something an argument they came up to satisfy their base. student loan debt is about young people fresh out of school middle class or working class and often much lower income students who have amassed an extraordinary amount of that. the biggest thing problem i have from the way the republicans are responding to this if this isn't the right solution that what is. what are you offering, what are you bringing to the table? because higher education, the cost of it has gone to an unsustainable level. there are people out there who are actually going to be paying off student loan debts until they die.

and we don't have anyone washington talking about how to dial back the cost of education, and how to make it more accessible to a broader array of individuals. and what we do to talk about predatory loan practices. there's so much more to this conversation than just marsha blackburn snotty little tweet. >> jennifer, you are absolutely correct. i will say i do think that there are some people that are looking for solutions if you. well i just don't think they exist in this current iteration of the republican house caucus. i'm being very specific there. we know everybody, the bankers, business owners, the farmers, just give the student loan folks some relief. thank you for your time, eugene daniels, jennifer horn. up, max will continue the conversation. because one of the few things that republicans and democrats agree on when we talk about

politics right now is at the flow of fentanyl into america's a crisis. it needs to be stopped. and we'll talk about the solutions, they cannot be more different. up next, today on meet the press ohio senators sharon brown and j.d. vance performed what they're -- contradict each other and i have something to say. ♪ ♪ ♪ can we get peyton a footlong? get it before it's gone. on the subway app.

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110,000. and 69% of those overdose deaths involve synthetic opioid. today on a special edition of meet the press, democratic senator from ohio, sherrod brown, had this to say about the lessons that we've learned in the previous war on drugs. >> i like to think we've learned something from the last, war on drugs, first of all we've learned that you can't just imprisoned everyone. you can't arrest, and arrest, and arrest. >> now ohio's other senator, j.d. vance, said there's a different approach. the centers have occurred taking the war on drugs right to the mexican drug cartels that are making fentanyl. take a listen. >> i want to empower the president united states, whether that's a democrat or republican to use the power of the u.s. military to go off the courthouse. you think the fentanyl problem is bad now. what about three years from now when the drug cartels are more powerful than the mexican state itself. >> republicans have blamed the crisis on the biden

administration's policies. publican presidential hopeful like ron desantis claiming that the white house is soft on drug traffickers. well just last week the justice department announced its first four charges against the chinese companies that sell fentanyl precursor chemicals to the car towels. in fact in april, the justice department announced a series of indictments targeting dozens of top mexican cartel leaders the chinese suppliers, and money launderers who fund the operation. this was the most sweeping effort yet to take down those responsible for the current crisis. i think it's important to note that senator brown's wrath right though, we cannot just arrest, arrest, arrest our way out of the problem. this time around the federal government is also providing help. in march of this year the food and jogger ministration approved narcan for over the counter sales. nor can the medication that used to only be available via prescription. and it can quickly counteract the opioid overdose. narcan saves lives. and it's now widely available.

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decided next fall along with every seat in the house of representatives. meanwhile, voters in 11 states will also be choosing their governors. today we're launching a new segment called on the ballot. from now until 2024 elections, as next november, we'll be taking the time to highlight some of the most consequences rachel's across the country. and we're starting with the race for governor in north carolina. no political's reporting that this gubernatorial race could end up being one of the most expensive governors campaigns this cycle. and because the current governor, democrat roy cooper is term limited. we definitely know there will be a new person leading the tar heel state. joining me now is one of the candidates vying for that spot. democrat josh stein, currently north carolina's attorney general. attorney general, welcome, thank you for being here today. let me start with abortion. a new law banning most procedures after 12 weeks of pregnancy went into effect and

north carolina just yesterday. governor cooper vetoed this bill in the legislature had the votes to override it due to republican super majority. you've said that you will not defend parts of that law in court. as governor, what would you do to defend abortion rights, what steps would you take? >> i will fight like hell for the women in north carolina to make decisions about their own bodies, their futures, their families. these decisions about reproductive health care or perhaps the most personal decisions that anyone ever makes. they need to be made by that person, but government should not be mandating for women that they need to give birth, politicians should not be making these decisions. there are nuances that you just referenced that went into effect yesterday. and it dramatically reduced access to abortion in north carolina. but what is on the ballot last year, the limited access that remains. because at the gentleman likely

be running against has said that if he were governor, the willing legislature, he would ban abortion in its entirety. even in cases of rape or incest. he cannot win, i'm gonna do everything in my power to make sure that women can continue to be able to make their own health care decision. >> let's talk about the makeup of the state legislature. there is currently a republican supermajority in the state legislature all note the super majority came about because a democrat did switch to become a republican. if you are elected governor how do you plan to deal with this super majority, how can you say that you will get anything done if they have the votes to literally override key pieces of your agenda? >> while fortunately will be 170 elections affected in the general assembly in 2024, just like my governor's race. so, i do not accept the fact that there will be a supermajority after the 24 elections.

a good, aggressive outreach program can defeat a bad gerrymandering. and that's exactly what we'll do here in north carolina. all the governorship, that's unnecessary, -- and we are gonna pick up seats in the legislature to ensure that my veto has power. and that will force the republican legislature to have to negotiate. >> we had a series of stunning decisions from the supreme court this week. let's talk about the affirmative action rolling. university of north carolina was one of the schools at the heart of that rolling that ended race conscious some mission policies. what impact will this decision had on diversity in north carolina schools. and what would you do as governor to make sure that all students get a fair shot of higher education? >> we absolutely have to have exactly that. everyone has a fair shot of higher education. everyone is a fair shot at a better life. that's the fundamental promise

of this life. that people have an opportunity to build a better future. and unfortunately, the u.s. supreme court into decisions, university admission case that my office had defended, and biden's student loan, targeted student loan relief plans, those were big defeats for this country. because the supreme court is now making it harder for minorities, for people from working families to make it ahead in their future. as, governor i will be committed to doing everything i can to make sure that our community college programs remain incredibly affordable. that we keep cost of higher education as low as possible. we need to open the door of higher ad in order to open the door promise an opportunity. >> parts of a major new gun law went into effect this weekend in the tar heel state, this particular law was another example of the legislation overriding governor cooper's

veto. this law allows people to buy a handgun without a permit. what are your concerns right now what do you say to north carolinians who are wondering if they're safe anywhere they go in this state? >> people have the right to feel safe, feel safe in their home neighborhoods, parents should not wear if their kids are out playing in the neighborhood after school or the summer. and north carolina is less safe today because that law went into effect. there is too much gun violence in north carolina across this country, it's the leading cause of death for children in this nation. which is unacceptable. we need to take common sense measures like background checks to make sure that they don't fall in the wrong hands violent people. we need to have red flag laws. we need to make sure people who are a danger themselves and others cannot access guns. we need to make sure that our communities -- programs. and after school programs,

community solutions that can help reduce gun violence. so as governor i will advocate for those kinds of initiatives. we need to keep people safe. it's one of the most fundamental jobs of state government, is to keep the people of the state safe. >> north carolina turning donald and democratic candidate for governor, josh stein, i appreciate your time today. thank you. >> thank you. >> the regroup is next we have a lot to talk about including why concert goers are throwing things at the performers on stage, from cell phones, bracelets, a fan giving singer pink the mother's actions in the middle to show. i think pink gave them back. i need some answers hopefully we'll get some after the break. fter the break everyone's gonna need more tide. it's a mess out there. that's why there's 85% more tide in every power pod. -see? -baby: ah.

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and a source of toxicity at yale. and pc news has not independently confirmed this report. but we've reached out to major's attorneys for comment. they say in part jonathan majors vehemently designs rolling stones false allegations that he physically, verbally, or emotionally abused anyone. let alone any of his past romantic partners. rolling stone embarked on a mission to dig up dirt on jonathan majors in order to falsely peyton as a violent and abuse of black man, fact speed ham. let's bring in our culture that it's, it autumn joi is the host of autumn joi live show, and lindsey granger is -- the honey. lindsey, this rolling storm report they interviewed more than 40 people including major's coworkers of his upcoming phone -- magazine dreams. the story they allege that majors was irritable violent on sat, that he chopped his bag you're up to method acting. let me say this, my question is let's be clear, if jonathan

majors was violent onset i don't know if this black mat would still have that job. what do you think? >> let stand by to we have all the facts information. i know rolling stones didn't in-depth dark article about. this i'm hesitant to rush to dodge. meant when there's smoke, there's fire. we see several people that were supposed to be's character witnesses, 60 from people that he used to be in relationship with. he provided statements, or his legal team did to the court, saying they never gave those statements only one said that he's a kind, gentle and that's up quote person. the majority is not leaning on your side. the court of public opinion for people who were trying to make sure that they let this play out is becoming tough to do that when you have a decade -- i find it hard to believe that attended people that used to know you, or romantic with you are up to get you. it seems extreme. so he has a big problem on his. hands when you think about the allegations from drama school, to onset, to relationships from

abuse to emotional and physical -- it's spanning so wide. it's like, what's happening here, it can't be nothing. >> the court of public opinion is interesting, it's different from the court of law we saw jonathan majors go to court over i think it was last week. we do not know the particulars of what's gone down on those proceedings. maybe some folks need to ask for transcripts. autumn, the rolling stone report to lindsay's point she brought up. i want to make sure people understand. we'll put it on the screen. major's attorney provided statements from his actual past traumatic partner's attesting to his character in the fall city of the charges. they reached out to six people, honey three of them said they never gave managers team information to release the statements -- saying it was pretty ridden, not truthful and you never approved this relief. one woman didn't respond. only one who dated may just from -- gonna make a statement. saying that he was sweet,, kind

and gentle, the opposite of what's being described. fire the whole down team. what's going on with the lawyers, you cannot do that. >> when i read that it made me go, for a second, this is dangerous territory that they're trying. on the reason that i think that they're doing this is because they finally have some sort of grand to stand on a few well. the fact that they're bringing in the young lady for questioning now, that the police have found probable cause to bring her in. i feel like they're throwing everything at him. because what if it does come out of this woman's charge. what if it does come up that she was the aggressor and in fact he was just defending himself. i feel like they held on to this specifically for that situation. but what i thought was interesting about the article to your point, was that these women said, no, we did not say that. so, why are they making things up about this man. do they not have a leg to stand on? is the accuser suddenly gonna come out and we're gonna see that she was the one that was in the wrong. what is really going on here?

and that's what i'm concerned about. i don't want to see this black man go out like that. but if enough people are saying. this >> wrong is wrong, honey, i don't care who you are. we don't know yet what's gone on. but wrong this wrong. when we switch gears, we're -- in a tussle. we're gonna all be trending by the time this thing is over. i want to talk about these fans that are throwing things on stage. they're throwing water bottles, south phones, jewelry. this is that several artist concerts, it's a thing, a fan tossed what appears to be ashes onstage at pink's concert. during the british summertime festival in london. wednesday, what's going on, the people used to throw flowers and maybe every now and then undergarments, honey, what's going on at the ashes? >> real quick, speaking of throwing flowers i'm throwing them at you, you spent the weekend with oprah and throwing them at autumn, because she's pregnant and i think --

life right that's life right. no so let's relied and say those things to you in person. let's talk about the crazy fans. i'm a crazy fan of both of you. now that we talk and -- i think social media makes us feel connected to celebrities in a way that's totally unrealistic. when we think that we have something as personal as ashes that we want to share with someone, that we admire and riviera, we think we know them even better that we might know madonna or anyone from decades ago that was a superstar. as opposed to right now you see them every day. we're like girl, i'll throw this thing. it's hitting people, it's hurting people, it's problematic. security needs to be increased a lot. >> we need to shut it down. they need to shut it down. it's actually getting concerning. i don't want anyone throwing anything at beyoncé. because i'm trying to make sure that she shows up in miami on august 18th for the show. autumn, joy, lindsey granger, we want to see you very soon we

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nbc -- msnbc hub every monday. for more of the show, including behind the scene videos, you'll not see anywhere else, find us on instagram, twitter and the tick and talk. politics nation with the great reverend al sharpton is next. rev, rev is still down in new orleans for the fast, and i was with reverend sharpton yesterday. first of all, you preached a sermon and brunch after his show, i had to thank greg publicly for introducing me to the one and only oprah, honey. we have got my shots, he got the angles. oprah said who are doing a good job, and rev sharpton is the go, y'all. i keep trying to tell you, the go. >> well, thank you, symone, thank you so much. and good evening and welcome to politicsnation. today, from new orleans. tonight,