nbc -- msnbc hub every monday. for more of the show, including behind the scene videos, you'll not see anywhere else, find us on instagram, twitter and the tick and talk. politics nation with the great reverend al sharpton is next. rev, rev is still down in new orleans for the fast, and i was with reverend sharpton yesterday. first of all, you preached a sermon and brunch after his show, i had to thank greg publicly for introducing me to the one and only oprah, honey. we have got my shots, he got the angles. oprah said who are doing a good job, and rev sharpton is the go, y'all. i keep trying to tell you, the go. >> well, thank you, symone, thank you so much. and good evening and welcome to politicsnation. today, from new orleans. tonight, the aftermath.

as the nation observes and extended independence day weekend, i find myself reflecting on how our country has been radically transformed by decisions handed down last week by the ultraconservative supreme court super majority. in their new america, higher education is further out of reach for people of color and those struggling financially to keep pace with skyrocketing tuitions and the skills of justice are tipped in favor of business owners who wish to discriminate on the basis of sexual preference and gender. against the rights of americans who simply want the freedom to if their lives openly, as they

please. the biden administration has already mobilized the response to the sweeping rules and sweeping rulings, looking for work around's to restore and protect policies popular with the american people. i am hopeful some of these fixes will work, but i know it will take a larger movement to push back against a deeply ideological minority that has plotted for decades to take over the highest judicial branch in the land. we will need more than a brief moment of anger and frustration. it will require diligence, discipline and dedication to bring balance back to our court. i am ready for the struggle, are you? joining me now is congressman kweisi mfume, democrat of maryland. congressman, appreciate you joining us tonight. before i get into the impacts of last week's supreme court

decisions, i want to extend my condolences to the people of your baltimore district, where 30 victims were hit by gunfire in and early morning my shooting at a block party. two people were killed, nine remaining in the hospital. but the more police say they do suspect more than one shooter but have not named anyone. how are your constituents holding up tonight? >> well, people are exasperated, as you might imagine because you don't have to be at the wrong place at the wrong time, you just had to be in the way. guns, too many attempts, and bullets, too many flying, that created a situation, at least last like in the park area, where half of the 28 victims were under the age of 18. so it's an epidemic out of control, this kind of violence and access to weapons. in many respects, a lack of values but, more importantly, a

willingness to strike out indiscriminately, in this case, at a party that these kids go to every year. and in the process, take two lives and injured 20 other people so people are exasperated. you almost feel helpless sometimes because you never know when it will strike or who, and we just had too many funerals or across the country, too many victims. >> congressman, let me go to the conservative majority of the supreme court handed down several positions that collectively seem to rule against young, vulnerable and particularly black americans, with the court six conservative justices ruling unanimously against race based affirmative action in college admissions and against the presidents plan to reduce student debt, which black borrowers disproportionately struggle

would. having had these past few days to process those decisions, how should the house democrats, particularly black members fight back in your view? i might preface your answer by being at the essence music festival, i remember 28 years ago, the first essence music festival, the panel was -- the merit then, now at the national urban league, the ncaa cp and the issue then was affirmative action. here i am and new orleans 28 years later, and it was just found unconstitutional. >> yeah, let me justify my point of personal privilege to thank you for your many, many years, in fact, decades of fighting for this issue and fighting back against the ability of others to want to separate us further, then i

opportunities to young people and to do under the guise of reverse discrimination. it's been a long battle. the supreme court this week finally having enough votes were able to strike down the use of various in college admissions. it's kind of ironic because this is a country built on race. the enslavement at the new grow, the annexation of the hispanics, the extermination of native americans made the birth of the american nation a you pick us kind of conception, conceived and hypocrisy and dedicated to a false proposition to white men were superior to non-white men and therefore allowed to oppress them, suppress them, whatever they wanted to do, so it's ironic that the court can say, you know, we got to remove race from the equation, and people or find a way to get into medical schools or find a way to get into all schools or colleges and universities.

most people know that is not the case. last week, race neutral politics that the biden administration will come up with. the members of the caucus are working hard with the white house in that regard. unless we have a way to do and to really look at social economic status in terms of a criteria that will allow special consideration for admissions, and unless we are able to push back and challenge colleges and universities all over the country to do more and to be more and to find a way to get around the supreme court ruling, so it's dastardly, another one of those things that requires all of us to just be smarter, to fight for and to find a way to circumvent what they thought that they were circumventing so that we get an opportunity for young people to go get a college education without having to see these new barriers that have gone up as a result of the supreme court. >> find a way to circumvent.

you and i are both organizers by background, need with the national action network, u.s. former head of naacp. you heard me talk a lot about what drives the pace. whose base is more energized? since roe was reversed last year, democrats have predicted if not hoped that abortion rights would drive turnout among women voters next year. i really like to think that these rulings on affirmative action and student that will do the same with black voters that polls show the president has lost ground with, but november 2024 is over a year away, what are your thoughts, congressman, can this drive voters? >> it can, but it requires the good old work that we know that we had two out there on the streets, and you know as well as i do, that means always constantly showing people how what happened affected them without a personalized struggle,

the way that we've done all along to make sure that there is a response, a valid political response, and then we got to make sure that in the process that we are doing it, we're bringing other people along. otherwise, i could sit here, and we could talk about this for up until the next election, but it really means preaching people to show them how this affects them, even if it is not the supreme court ruling, anything else that denies their rights and limits, in many respects, their ability to do things. i've always believed that once people realize that it is personal and that affects them and their families, they get a little more invested in. that is a task for all of us, no matter where we are. the clergy is doing what it can do nationwide. people in politics are doing what they can do. educators have stepped up, and community activists to show why this is important to push back on. it can be pushed back on, but

it will take a real effort from all of us to stand up and circumvent this foolishness. >> lastly, the chair of california's task force on reparations joins me later in the hour, three days after the california state assembly and its governor took up the task to force final recommendations -- it says that the state should consider to make amends for anti black discrimination going back to slavery. while our most populous state takes up the issue, there is a renewed issue by some house democrats, your colleagues, cori bush and jamal bowen to bring into the house floor. if democrats retake the house and eight year, do you expect to see real movement, and do you think the affirmative action decision and dangerous possible reparations in california? >> that's a good question,

reverend. i don't know. i can't see that far down the road with respect to california. it becomes something that clearly becomes a consideration in all that, but in the house, there is the reparations bill on the federal side. obviously, that sheila jackson as champion for a long time. remember years ago, i worked with john khan, when he first introduced this. that bill has got to get out of the house and onto the floor, and it really depends on what the senate looks like next year after the spoke clears, and whether or not there is going to be 60 or 60 plus members of the senate. so it will require, number one, winning the house of representatives, number two, pleading quickly to get that federal bill up, heard and our onto the floor, and then to see what the senate does after that. the california measures, interesting, almost unique in the sense that california did not wait for federal legislation. they found a way to come up

with a way to do this on their own, so everybody will be watching and keep in on that, but at the same time, there is a federal effort underway, that we don't want to lose sight of. >> that's why voting matters. thank you congressman kweisi mfume. joining me now is attorney general of massachusetts, andrea campbell. thank you for joining me today, attorney general. >> thank you for having me. >> glad to have you. let's get right to last week's supreme court ruling. as you know, the high court struck down on a race based mission policy at the university of north carolina and hoffman in your home state. you've been one to see the impact of affirmative action bans firsthand. we were studying at ucla or school, with the passage of proposition 209 and the state affirmative action programs in california. how will this decision affect

americas colleges and universities going forward? >> it will certainly have an effect on numbers and the diversity goals of those institutions. i think ucla law school where i attended is an example of what can happen when you have such a devastating policies that rolled back programs, initiatives that worked. i often remarked before i went to ucla, there were a ton of black graduates from the law school, post or after prop 209 in the class that was before me, there were six bucks students, one black female, the entire class of close to 400. in my class, there were 13, so this just means as the congressman just remarked, we cannot waste any time. we had to talk about the importance of diversity in all of our institutions. it is not just affect how people of color are black folks, it helps all of us. we all benefit, especially our economy and innovation and the

way in which we think about issues, but the second piece is, our institutions will have to step up. i know the colleges here in massachusetts are looking to do just that, forming a coalition to come together to think about all the ways in which we could remove barriers to entry, ways in which we need to invest into the k-12 education system, especially for students of color, and address the inequities that exist there, look at the financial aid packages and other ways in which other students or populations are benefiting decorate barriers for folks of color to join these institutions. so a lot more in common. i and my team work really hard. we're not wasting any time to make sure that regardless of the outcome of the decision, that we're doing what is necessary on the ground to afford folks the opportunity they so deserved. >> now you and what you stated about your experiences in law school and california, the data shows that when california went

against affirmative action as a state, it dramatically reduced the amount of blacks that were in those schools, and harvard president elect reacted to the ruling on thursday in a video message on how the supreme court has done this nationally. take a listen to the message. >> we will comply with the court's decision, but it does not change our values. we continue to believe deeply that a thriving diverse intellectual community is essential to academic excellence and critical to shaping the next generation of leaders. >> what are your thoughts on this statement? >> she is exactly right. we don't need another report to talk about not only the ways in which diversity in any setting benefits everyone in the room, personally and professionally. if you are truly trying to solve a problem in this country, whether around health care, in

our education system, things related to our economy, we know that people of color at the table, and i will say it as well, black folks at the table. they are a significant benefit in the insight they bring, including invention, innovation and so much more. our higher institutions have known that for sometime. the reports talk about the ways in which he drives up economic output and innovation in states and at the local level, and at the federal level. these are critical conversations to have but to remind folks, including those who are not of color that these decisions also have an impact on them, the next generations of leaders, of course and the importance of understanding our history, which we know with the court and this decision got terribly wrong, totally missed the mark because they were so focused on the outcome, that they've made things up along the way to do away with history and the accurate account of that is in this country, to deal away with legal precedent and so much more to get to that

relief lot outcome, so this is an opportunity for us to mobilize, not lose hope and do what is necessary to ensure that the next generation, frankly, has more opportunity than the previous. >> the new york times reports some law firms are encouraging private companies to review their own recruitment policies and diversity program. what is your view on whether this affirmative action decision impacts the world outside of academia? and as attorney general, what can you do to ensure this ruling is not applied more broadly than specified? >> there is a lot of different settings outside of the hiring set team, where people should be concerned about the decision. but i think it is also an opportunity for folks to come together across various industries, want to acknowledge the racial disparities that exist in the industries because of the history and the country, whether in health care,

particularly maternal health, weather and the law firm setting, the lack of partners in the law firm setting. when you think about our criminal legal system, our education system, our housing system, our economic system, every system of racial disparities exist. -- needs to come up with solutions, and there are solutions that require intentionality, operating with a sense of urgency and using all the tools in our tool kit. while the court may have taken away some of our tools, they did not take away all of them. the application process and looking at not just numbers from a test but the full picture and character of someone in your background, that is all relevant. looking at the socioeconomic status of that person. looking at their personal story. where did they come from? how might their living experience brings something to the table. i know mine brings a lot to the table that i see every day. there is a law in every industry where folks with some level of intentionality, if they want to be part of the

solution, can help us close the racial disparities. we are willing to work with everyone and anyone to do just that. >> i must ask you about the supreme court ruling on friday that businesses can constitutionally refuse to serve same-sex couples and doing so would violate owner's religious beliefs. you represent massachusetts, the first state to legally open marriage to same-sex couples. what has been your reaction to this ruling? >> i feel really blessed to be the attorney general of massachusetts, where we continue to be at the forefront of 24th policies, laws and regulations that will help folks not only lived as their authentic, true selves but allow them to live with freedom, without fear of discrimination or harm. so while i am deeply disappointed by the decision, as were many folks in my office and across the country. i don't want to still lose

hope. right now, massachusetts, that law does little keeper in our legal landscape, so we'll do everything in our power to protect those who identify as part of the lgbtq+ community. this is also an opportunity to form greater allyship. they're coming for abortion rights and reproductive rights, our civil rights, formative action, making it easy for folks to discriminate against folks because they don't like their behavior, everyone should be concerned about that. this is a court clearly going in the wrong direction, has a political agenda that really undermines the integrity of the court, which is really sad, but an opportunity for us to form coalitions, do what is right and to mobilize to protect our laws in massachusetts and do what we can to support other states as they look to protect their constituents. i am telling of folks who felt slighted and harmed and grieved because of these decisions, do not give up hope. if anything, attorney generals

across the country have an opportunity to step up and protect their constituents. of course, we will do that right here in massachusetts. >> andrea campbell, attorney general of massachusetts, thank you for being with us. later on in politics nation, former president trump and florida governor ron desantis work when votes from the gop base by turning the clock back on civil rights. i'll explain. but first, my colleague richard lui with today's top news stories. richard? >> rev, a good sunday to you. baltimore police today are searching for at least two shooters at large. and early morning shooting leaving two dead and 28 others heard. police say 29 victims remain in the hospital now. about half of the gunshot victims were under the age of 18. police wanting people to provide any video footage of the incident. protests continue to rage for a fifth evening in france. this after police shot and killed a teenager during a traffic stop.

police arrested over 700 people overnight and deployed 45,000 officers to control crowds. the mayor of the paris suburb saying that a burning car crashed into his home and injured his wife and one of his children. in what he called an assassination attempt. and tonight, at least 40 million americans are under weather risk, coast to coast. triple digit temperatures across the south and southwest have killed more than a dozen people so far. the heat index in parts of louisiana reaching 120 degrees. and the midwest is recovering from hurricane force winds and hail as well. more politicsnation with reverend al sharpton right after this break. after this break and longer when you need it most. its non-habit forming and powered by the makers of nyquil. up at 2:00am again? tonight, try pure zzzs all night. unlike other sleep aids, our extended release melatonin helps you sleep longer.

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doug, former president donald trump held a massive rally in south carolina this weekend. laura forsman officials estimate around 15,000 people arrived to see trump yesterday afternoon. he showed up hours before he was expected to speak on a blazing day with temperatures into the 90s. it was a show of force in the home state of two of trump's opponents, former governor nikki haley and senator tim scott. another native son, senator lindsey graham, was met with resounding boos in his own backyard, when trump spoke at the event. it's the early, and there are as many as 14 republicans running for the white house, but do you think the gop understands the grip of trump seems to have on the republican party? >> breath, it's a great question, and i don't think they do actually.

i think the rally in south carolina essentially proves that. and a home state of two of the rivals. clearly, mike pence and chris christie and isa hutchinson and others are seeing something in their polling that gives them some sliver of hope. but the fact of the matter is that every poll you see shows him getting stronger within that republican base. donald trump is no longer trying to get the middle of the road voters and bring people in. he is playing to the far right maga base and hoping that there is enough to take him the nomination and into the general election. i think that they are wildly underestimating him at this point. >> david, also during the same trump rally, trump wasted no time taking credit for his supreme court appointees and praised the high courts decisions to end affirmative

action in college admissions and a student debt relief program, as well as limit lgbtq protections. this comes as trump's closest challenger for the republican nomination, florida governor ron desantis, is also pressuring himself as the candidate who gets things done, as over 200 bills he signed into law took effect yesterday, including a six-week abortion ban and restrictions on trans gender bathroom access. these achievements may give them applause lines with primary voters, but what they hurt the republican party in general and the general election? >> i think they certainly can if democrats take the opportunity. what donald trump and ron desantis to a success, many of the american people left wondering what they consider success, because it leaves behind so many americans, the republican agenda does.

i think the opportunity for democrats right now is to catalyze around a bold, legislative agenda, even after the affirmative action case, the state known case, some of the other supreme court decisions, one at the answers is not to argue simply over the court or pack the court. that is a fair debate. it's actually about how a democratic-led congress and senate with a democratic president could legislate within the supreme court rulings him to actually turn back the tide of what the high court gave the nation this week. on student loans, you can create a better ability to reorganize and forgive those that's through the court process or provide other legislative leniency. on affirmative action, you can legislate around justice roberts line that one's experience of race could inform a university's decision. when all of those things could be legislated expansively by a democratic congress or more effectively by a republican congress. now is the time for democrats to offer a bold, legislative

agenda to the american people. >> doug, let's turn to one at the cases that the supreme court ruled on this week, the decision to limit protections to the lgbtq americans on free speech grants. the high court ruled the christian website designer lori smith is not required to make websites celebrity gay marriages, due to her religious objections. the washington post reports the man she cited as a potential client is, in fact, a straight man with a wife and a kid, who had no knowledge of his involvement in the case. conservatives claimed to oppose judicial activism and legislation from the bench, but doesn't this case seem to be a prime example of both of these things? >> well, there is no question about that, rev. what we are seeing happening playing on the court, now that you see the 62 majority and the

supreme court and very conservative district of appellate court judges that donald trump wanted. you are seeing these kinds of things. you are seeing cases to try to get through the agenda. folks on the far-right have been trying to for years, and years. i wish that there were something that could be done about this particular case. it is just appalling how they voted on this, but it is also appalling how even got to the court. unfortunately, i am not sure that there is. i think the lawyers are going to be looking at it. there is a doctrine on fraud on the court. but i think that will be tough to do. the fact is we are seeing, clearly seeing a very active court, the kind of court that conservatives have criticized back in the old days and others, where they really have a political agenda, judicial agenda, rather than simply a judicial philosophy. >> david, the repeal of roe v. wade appeared to hurt republicans in the 2022 midterms. do you think the latest

decisions will have a similar impact on 2024, or are the political dynamics different? >> no, i think they certainly can. and the key thing is the substantive issue behind the decisions or underlying these decisions. where are the american people a student on the, on affirmative action, on reproductive rights? where are they on those issues? i say it that way because i think democrats can have a conversation about retaking the court. rev, that is ten or 20 years away before they can reshape the supreme court. they could talk about spending it. that is fine. those are long term objectives. what they could say now is that we are going to prevent a national ban on the right to choose. on affirmative action, we are going to empower universities to take into account one's own experience with grace. on student loan debt, we will provide legislative leniency. there are all these things that they can do on a legislative package we're also talking about the courts.

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politicsnation. as the u.s. supreme court was handing down a pair of decisions last week, it seemed to take aim at black america. california's first in the nation task force on reparations was handing in its 1100 page final report. the result of more than two years of researching the state's history of anti black discrimination and making bold recommendations on how to repair generations of damage. it is now up to the states

legislature and governor to decide just how far the golden state will go to make amends for our tarnished history. joining me now, camilla more, chair of california's task force on respirations. miss more, it's really great to have you on politicsnation. we have followed your work since the task force was launched. now california's legislature and governor are set to take its recommendations which turned in its final report to your state on thursday. that report proposed policy recommendations such as formal state apology for disenfranchising black residents and a repeal of the states affirmative action ban which of course will be given more detail later. the report also lays out a model for cash payments to black residents with allegedly

based on race. why was that so important miss more? >> thank you reverend sharpton for having me. it was so important for one because the task force consulted with legal experts over a year ago on this very issue. we consulted with you see berkeley law school and he predicted the outcome of the supreme court's decision on thursday. warning us of the outcome and suggesting that we structure our policy recommendations, not on race but on the basis of lineage or the basis of being a descendant of slaves. essentially, he was saying that would be the best argument, the best way to evade what is called strict scrutiny which is the highest form of judicial review. >> miss moore, on the same bigger task force was talking about the final report and recommendations, one of which is the reversal of california's ban on race based affirmative

action instate college admissions, our conservative majority u.s. cream court was issuing its ruling, dismantling race based affirmative action in college admissions. i read where the task force members condemned that decision, encouraging our supreme court justices to read your report. speaking as an attorney and task force chair, how does the court's decision impact a proposed reversal of your states affirmative action ban and are you worried that opponents might sue the state to impede a repaired of action if they pass? >> yes, i think there will be a challenge no matter what but the task force set ourselves up with success and again constructing our recommendations, not on the basis of race, but on the basis of lineage or being a descendant of slaves. in fact, the majority of our

recommendations remain unaffected by the supreme court's decision on thursday. >> now, california might be the largest place in the u.s. to consider reparations for black residents, but the u.s. is not the only western nation where the conversation is being had. the king of the netherlands apologized yesterday for the role of his country's role in the slave trade. a year after his country formally apologized for that role. join denmark, france, uk, and the european parliament and the vatican as having either apologize for participating in the slave trade or recognizing it as a crime against humanity. while none of that group has actually issued reparations for slavery, the closest the u.s. ever came to an apology, a pair of nonbinding resolutions in the house and senate 14 of 15

years ago. no joint bill passed from that and reparations again unaddressed. would you say the difference between those european countries and hours when it comes to this topic, how do you see the difference? >> well, interestingly enough, the un general assembly established a decade of african descent from 2015 to 2024 and so within this decade, the california reparations task force who have been working audibly to establish proposals for descendants of slaves, but then he also had institutions and formations like karen khan which a federation of caribbean asians and african union, who have been working together over recent years to demand respiratory justice from former colonizers, european counters and enslavers. in this historic decade, you

are seeing movements for respiratory justices of people for afghan descent. again, california is paving the way for descendants of american slaves, you also have african union playing their part as well. >> final question, after more than two years of working on this task force, what is the significance of california, our most popular state which was not a slave state at the time of the american civil war making the most visible consideration for aspirations we have seen in the u.s. today? >> one of my recommendations, a final recommendation is actually to transmit our final report to the biden administration and to congress, urging them actually to establish a federal commission on reparations because first and foremost, the task force has held the position that reparations are first and foremost a federal responsibility, but to that point, california is paving the

way so those -- so goes california, suppose nation. we are setting a precedent for one preparatory justice for descendants of american slaves should look like. based on international human rights law standards. that is why in our 1100-page final report, he will see recommendations on cash payments because that is one necessary component of reparations under international law. you also see other recommendations related to the other four forms of reparations under international law. like restitution, rehabilitation, satisfaction, which is a formal apology which we have also recommended, and guarantees non repetition which can have more institutional policy reform and change. >> congresswoman sheila jackson picking up the baton of congressman john has called for a commission on reparations which is now being proposed and supported by many in the congress. do you fear though that there

will be those on the other side on this question that will try to gender up some kind of fight, some battle and try to exploit this to appeal to some voters in the white community that say, i have nothing to do with the history of the country, that wasn't me. when in fact, to this day, we are seeing discrimination inhibit the advancement >> of people of exactly, you are color, particularly black people. exactly right. the thesis of our 1100-page final report is that reparations are owed not just for slavery, the 250 years of stolen labor and opportunity, but they are owed to do direct descendants of slaves for those lingering badges and instances of slavery. deep major area of systemic discrimination that still persist today and have hindered the progress of african americans, those who are descendants of slaves. there is a necessary

contemporary element to it, and in our report, there are various different policies that we point out that have been discriminatory in nature, that the state was responsible and forming and discriminating against descendants of slaves. no one can deny, when you really study this report. >> all right, kamilah moore, thank you for being with us this evening. up next, my final thoughts, stay with us. stay with us and bucket clean in half the time. our new cleaning pad has hundreds of scrubbing strips- that absorb and lock dirt away, ( ♪♪ ) and it has a 360-degree swivel head- that goes places a regular mop just can't. so, you can clean your home faster than ever. don't mop harder, mop smarter, with the new swiffer powermop.

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supreme court say the race who is no longer an issue that we need to deal with, and that is against the constitution to do with repairing damages and affirmative advancement for those that by a with disadvantage and help back. what does this say to women who has lost their right to choose what to do with their own bodies? what does this say to lgbtq and transgender americans who now can see a supreme court rule against their rights in usage at things, even when there was no victim or plaintiff that brought the case? well it's a steamy is that you should use your fourth of july gathering, yes, have fun, do what you can with friends and families, but use it to organize, get people prepared to vote. get people prepared to fight back, organize for the launch on washington, august 26,

because the dream of dr. king that he said on that day 60 years ago still has not become fully achieved by many americans. celebrate the fourth by making america live up to its creed and be a participant in that drive. that does it for me, thank you for watching. i'll see you back here on politicsnation next weekend at five pm eastern, and you can also catch me tomorrow monday morning from 6 to 10 a.m. eastern time on morning joe right here on msnbc. american voices where the guest house julián castro starts after a short break. r a short break. buy one footlong in the app, get one free. for freeee. that's what i'm talking about. order in the subway app today.

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