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and get healthier with golo. week, three major supreme court decisions with far-reaching consequences. one effectively scrapping affirmative action program. someone invalid-ing president biden's student loan debt relief plan. and one clearing the way for businesses, to refuse service to lgbtq plus america. i'll talk about that, how democrats should be fighting back and the politics of pennsylvania with the state's governor, josh shapiro. who's coming up. first, plus law professor and former clerk to judge sonia soda mayer, melissa murray will join us to talk about the impact of the supreme court decisions. and when it comes to the uncertainty now facing billions of college deviants and graduates, education secretary, miguel cardona will talk about the next steps for the biden administration. also ahead this hour, she's the first openly transgender person to ever be elected and serve in

the state legislature. i sat down with virginia delegate, danika roem, for this week's weekend routine. ♪ ♪ ♪ if you're watching the advance of this week i'm worried that social progress in this country is backsliding. you are not alone. of course it doesn't help when the person responsible for the supreme court's conservative supermajority, donald trump, is taking a victory lap. and the republican party seems intent on renominating him. despite the fact that he can -- convicted felon. it's important to acknowledge here that it is a very real possibility that he could actually win. everybody needs to be sober about that. the latest national polling from nbc news shows that president biden leads trump by just four percentage points. which is barely outside of the margin of error. there's also the looming threat of third party candidates. according to the same poll, 44% of registered voters say that they're willing to consider

supporting a third party or independent candidate if biden and trump are the nominees in 2024. and that group includes more democrats than republicans. outside of polling we're seeing additional warning signs for democrats. including nbc reporting that some republicans who broke from trump and endorsed biden in 2020 are pulling to the prospect. they're sitting on the sidelines about biden's reelection at this point. if we zero in on pennsylvania, one of the most closely watched battleground states, there are a similar warning sign. a new poll from pennsylvania voters showing virtual dead heat between trump and biden, 44 -- support trump. and 46% support biden. it's hard to overstate how important pennsylvania will be in the 2024 race, it's always an important state and that was highlighted this week when conservative activist group, moms for liberty held their summit in philadelphia. this group which touts itself as a protector of parental rights was founded just two

years ago by a pair of formal school board members in florida. and it's rapidly expanded. it's ironic that they call themselves moms for liberty, given their focuses on banning books, eliminating lessons on racial discrimination, and in one district in pennsylvania even banning pride symbols. it doesn't sound like liberty to me. or to my next guest who may be powerful oh to what he calls, real freedom in his inauguration speech. >> only by setting the table of opportunity, by inviting all to come, sit, and partake can we advance the cause of real freedom. more political differences caused debate, but do not give rise to demagogues. the real freedom that leaves its citizens with the confidence of knowing that the doors of opportunity will swing go ban if they simply push them through.

where everyone gets a shot, and no one's left behind. that is a real freedom. and that is our challenge, that's our -- >> maybe that's a message more democrats should embrace as we head into 2024. joining me now is present bail governor and former attorney general, josh shapiro. governor, thank you so much for taking the time to speak with me. and before we get jump to politics, and there's a lot of that to discuss, as a former attorney general pennsylvania i want to get your take on the supreme court rulings this week. after the ruling on lgbtq+ rights came down you tweeted that's, i'm just gonna read the direct quote. real freedom means that no matter who you are, who you love, what you look like, or who you do or do not pray to, you belong in pennsylvania. lgbtq+ rights are human rights. if scotus won't defend them in d.c., we'll do it in the state. i have no doubt that gives a

lot of people in pennsylvania some help. but what could you realistically do is governor? >> john, this was a bad week for freedom in this nation. it's a direct effect of our elections back in 2016. elections have consequences. and we all have a responsibility in this country to defend our freedoms, to defend our democracy, and the best way to do that is to show up and vote. sadly, the supreme court i fear over the decades to come will continue to try and restrict our freedoms. and that's why the states are so critically important right now, here in pennsylvania we value real freedom, we protect lgbtq citizens here in this commonwealth, we stand up for our children, we stand up for real freedom, we protect democracy. we'll do everything in our power to make sure that we have a nondiscrimination law on the books that's constitutional and

fair, and lets every lgbtq+ individual know that they're valued, welcomed here in this commonwealth. this is a moment where folks across this nation need to focus on their state lawmakers, their governors, and work to create real freedoms in their respective states and commonwealth. >> as you just said, governor elections have consequences, we have the support that we have, as you look at the rollback of rights over the last year from overturning roe v. wade, and decisions this week, given the trajectory are there other rights you think are at risk that have gone off presidents, gave marriage is at risk, is interracial marriage at risk, what should be repairing for? >> look, i hate to sound like a dunes -- they're all at risk. for so many they couldn't have even imagined the sort of reliance doctrine that existed along with what i thought was

real precedent around the right to make decisions over your body. the right to have an abortion in this country. now imagine that that could actually be overturned by a supreme court that was ruling to look the other way on the law. and again, on the stare decisis that existed. the reality here is that the states are going to have to fill that void. here in pennsylvania, will protect a woman's right to choose as long as i'm. governor will detect the lgbtq community. or protector right to read the books that you want and mary who you love. those rights are very much in the crosshairs of the supreme court. and we have to do our best in the states to guard against those rollback. >> turning to politics, governor, you'll be at the center of that as you're used to being. the gop is closing up to groups like moms for liberty, and claiming to be the party of freedom, but you've spoken about what freedom, real freedom is, he talked about in your address, you talked about it frequently.

how do you think democrats should go on offense and counter some of this rhetoric of the other side trying to own freedom and rights, and parental choice? >> you know, jan, i think this is a stark contrast and this should not be an issue that democrats are afraid to lean in on. from the white house, to governors, to members of congress, everybody in between. , look there's a reason why the leading republican candidates for president are going to visit with that group in philadelphia this weekend, because they're anti-freedom, think about this, jen, they're showing up to brag about how they want to restrict the right to make decision over her own body, they're showing up to brag about how they want to take books out of the classrooms of our children. they're showing up to talk about how they want to attack children for simply being who they are. or adults for wanting to marry who they love. that is not real freedom, our

potty, the democratic party is the party of real freedom, this is a clear contrast. we need to stand up, to step up, and speak out on these issues. and it says a lot about these republican candidates that they believe that the path to the nomination of the republican party today, these bigger government that limits your freedoms. the exact opposite of where the republican party was a few decades ago. i think it is a clear contrast, i think it is one of the reasons why we won this race in pennsylvania, i think it's a formula for a party success in the, future we are the party of real freedom and this weekend in philadelphia as these candidates -- i think proves that they are not for real freedom. >> there's a recent poll, i'm sure you've seen, it shows how tight the race between president biden and former president trump currently has in pennsylvania, as it often. is what the poll shows 47% for trump, 46% for biden. also in the same poll you have

a much higher approval rating buy multiples of doubt a double to -- president biden. i know you've been working closely with the biden administration implementing economic policy and a lot of these bills have passed. but it doesn't appear to be resonating with voters as it relates to his approval rating. why do you think that is? >> you know,, jan it'll be a binary choice at the end of the day. there will be president biden running for reelection against one of these anti-freedom republican candidates. and when you have that clear binary choice, i think it's safe to probably assume it'll be close in pennsylvania. i mean 2016 was -- 47,000 votes, i don't think that any sort of breaking news. but i do think at the end of the day president biden's in a strong position to win pennsylvania again. and it's because of not only is he standing up for real freedom. but because he's delivered for the good people of pennsylvania.

he was record time. the federal government was right there with us. he's delivered billions of dollars for our infrastructure. he's been there to make sure that we have the resources that we need here in this commonwealth. and i think as that story is shared throughout a campaign weather is a clear choice. i think the voters will appreciate that. i feel confident in his position. >> and it comes to the binary choice there is this possibility of a third party candidate, or there's rumblings of that. i think it's safe to say, back in 2016 the margin between trump and hillary clinton was a lot smaller than the third party vote in pennsylvania. how concerned are you that a third party candidate could play spoiler in the state in 2024? coul play spoil>> yeah, look, i don'y know if that's gonna be a real possibility or fast something folks are talking about right now. i think that there will be a

clear choice at the end of the day between whoever the republican nominee is. and president biden. i think he has a lot to make the case here from the infrastructure resources that he's delivered, to the support that he's shown -- he has strong story south here in the commonwealth and all the telling that story alongside him. >> you spearheaded the successful opening of the i-95 -- 12 days after a collapse. pretty impressive. as someone that's grown up on the east coast it's a pivotal road. we know not just republicans are skeptical of government spending but there is a skepticism in the country of institution. -- this is an example that's not. working how can you use that as an example to counter that argument out there? and we build trust in institutions? >> it's a great question. and look, as you know from going up on the east coast. this is a major thoroughfare, 160,000 cars and trucks every day from folks trying to get

work, families on vacation, trucks trying to get their product to the marketplace. so, quite literally it just collapsed. the experts said it would take months to reopen. we took an all hands on deck approach, we brought everyone together, federal state and local folks, engineers and lawyers. and others who are needed to get this done. i said we're gonna work together literally 24/7 to get it on. will you reopen that door -- couldn't happen. but it dead. and as we're going through this process to really get in the heart of your question i thought it was critically important to show not only -- the nation when we talk about every day and the governor's office. the gst attitude, the get stuff done attitude. and -- >> it's a family show. [laughter] >> to show the government can be a force for good. one government comes together

we can solve thick problems again. and i think it's a great example of the power and reach, when we work together, when we do things that are common sense, when we don't run two extremes. when we actually run together and work together to focus on results. i was pleased not only that we go down that road, and really record time but i was pleased when i visited the bars, the restaurants and that area. and they really lost their customers for those 12 days. i was pleased when i went there chatting with folks, to encourage people to come back. so the bars, restaurants, i was encouraged when they said, hey, man, i didn't think the government can do it but you prove me wrong. you showed what government can do. that makes me feel good as someone who believes in the power. government as someone who believes that we can be a force for good, positive change. the fact that this road reopening how people see that. i think that's an important message for our commonwealth. and for our country. >> pennsylvania governor, josh

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progress on civil rights, gay rights, unraveled at the hands of six right-wing, unelected supreme court justices serving lifetime terms by the way. and it's not just social progress, your financial future may take ahead as well.

because of their decisions. if you're one of the 43 million americans eligible to have a student loans forgiven. you could now be on the hook for as much as $20,000. -- that could mean putting off purchasing a home, creating a business, or maybe even starting a family. when it comes to your personalize these conservative justices clearly will not restrain themselves from ruling on matters that should be a matter of public policy. so what about legal precedent, the supreme court just struck down affirmative action in colleges, casting aside decades of its own opinions, but upheld a key civil rights era policy. >> it's a person race eligible to factor in determining chances for placement in schools. the court said yes. >> the federal leaders are interpreting the coat decision as a general approval of such program. >> tonight the supreme court has spoken. they've ruled affirmative action is here to stay. at least for now and at least in some.

form >> of the courts ruled by a 5 to 4 vote that achieving student body diversity justifies the use of race in admissions. >> today the court said colleges and universities may continue to use it and they're. admissions >> the court today gave a big boost to affirmative action and college admissions. it upheld the program at the university of texas at austin. and said that affirmative action makes classes more diverse and educational -- >> so, i guess president -- doesn't matter anymore. what about the actual facts. shouldn't they matter to the supreme court when it weighs a case with the potential to change how is this is treat lgbtq+ americans? wow, the website designer who just won her case than i business-to-business a couples provided a letter as evidence claiming that a gay man at contacted her to make a wedding website. but, this is a big bat, it turns out that letter could be fake. in an interview with the guardian the man questioned said that he never contacted the designer. he never centered email, or message.

in fact according to the washington post he's been married to a woman for 15 years. and also happens to be a web designer himself. as he told the new republic, i'm married, i have a child, i'm not really sure where that came from. but somebody is using false information in the supreme court filing document. so, a facts in decades of legal precedent can so easily be ignored. what other hard-fought rest for the conservative majority in the supreme court take away from all of us? joining me now is melissa murray, prince -- nyu law school, and a law clerk to them judge, now justice, so minnesota mayer during her time in the u.s. court of appeal. thank you for joining me melissa, i never wanted a lot of blame, armed rainfall you're with me today. i wanted to start with something justice clarence thomas said visit then senator, joe biden about affirmative action during his confirmation hearing in 1991. let's watch that video and talk about it on the other side. >> you say, judge, that

affirmative action preference programs are all right as long as they're not based on race? >> i said that from a policy standpoint, i agreed with affirmative action policies that focused on disadvantaged minorities. and disadvantage individuals in our society. i'm not commenting on the legality of the constitutionality. >> so, there are hours of video is of course of confirmation hearings from all of the justices, but reflecting on what's happened now with affirmative action, an abortion a year ago, do you think he and other conservative justices were a little disingenuous during their hearing? this >> one they're permitted to say whatever they like at the confirmation hearing. it's up to the senate to decide whether they're being genuine or not. you vote in a way that does provide the president with true advice and consent. when he's nominating a justice. but the real point of the question, the underlying issue

i think is the idea that this court in the absence of any check from congress has arrogated so much power to itself that it no longer's fault as the presidents of earlier coats and essentially legislating in the way that likes the affirmative action decision is a key aspect of this and the court does not like affirmative action even though earlier coats blasted and confirmed it was constitutional. but this court has decided that it doesn't believe it's constitutional. and it disagrees. when you have six, they let you do you want. and this court is definitely doing what it wants. >> i don't want to be alarmist, but people should know what to expect, as we're looking at other precedents that they could overturn, are you concerned that game marriage might be next, what calais could be on the chopping block? >> wow, look, at every precedents on the chopping block because the courts made it clear that they're not bound by stare decisis, especially in circumstances when it comes to interpreting the constitution, they said repeatedly about last

year, in dobbs in this year that they're free to look at these presidents -- and to correct what they believe are egregious errors,, yes everything is on the table justice thomas told us this last term, it is concurrence in the top. case there's grilled while versus connecticut, which legalize contraceptive. there's ingress virginia, he's let that one pass, it's raised here in this new case, and of course obergefell raises bigger questions. it's not clear that there's gonna be an immediate frontal assault on gay marriage. but the court's decision this week in 303 creative, the case about the website designer who refuses to provide services for frame same-sex weddings. that's a beginning over -- chipping away at the kinds of services, the expectation that same-sex couples may have in the public sphere. went to normalize the idea that you can treat same-sex couples differently, they're well underway to rolling back recognize rights. >> there was a right-wing group as you know that brought this affirmative action case to the

supreme court after thursday's decision, stephen miller we all remember was an adviser to former president trump sent a threatening letter to 200 school saying that this group is prepared to see if they don't abide by the courts ruling. how is this in your view emboldened rattling likes to go after universities? how do you anticipate the will respond to legal challenges? >>, so i think this is the point the court made clear in the opinion that -- all questions of race at the table, the end of the chief justice says that an individual can discuss his or her racial background in their admissions, as long as they connected to individual characteristics. like leadership, or courage. again, that's because of the intervention that justice jackson made an oral argument asking whether or not -- talk about their family histories but whether it was still okay for black applicants to talk about their family history as well. this seems to be a compromise for the chief justice has brokered but stephen miller and

other like i want to show all questions of race in college admission processes. going forward and so in this space where there is confusion perhaps, or uncertainty about what the court needs, and what this decision requires, he stepped into the breach to threaten these colleges, universities in the hope that these threats will chill what is actually still lawful conduct right now. i'd urge universities, colleges who are thinking about their admission protocols to -- look at the end of this decision. and be clear about it, the court says very, very -- you can invite applicants to talk about the family background. not just racial backgrounds but backgrounds more generally. and connected into the way in which shape the identity and the cultivation of personal characteristics. >> melissa murray, thank you for providing a lot of clarity for us today. and stick with us, after the break i'll ask education secretary, miguel cardona, about the path forward for millions of people affected by the supreme court's decision on

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the supreme court conservative super majority this week, or two that shifted the landscape of higher education, virtually overnight. in two separate six opinions on conservatism the court struck down both affirmative action and the biden administration student loan forgiveness program. these decisions are gonna have a very real impact, it's gonna be harder to ensure that institutions of higher earning remain accessible, and reflect the diversity of backgrounds in our country. so where do we go from here, i'm grateful to have joining me now someone who could real help answer the questions the education secretary, miguel cardona. i just want to start here so many people across the country,

students, people who are paying loans have questions friday president biden announced a new plan to work around the coach rowing on the administration and student debt program by using the 1965 higher education act. what are the next steps in that, a lot of that's on you, and how do you anticipate will take our people should expect it to take? >> sure, thank you for having me it's really important first of all of borrowers hear loud and clearly that we're not stopping the fight that we recognize how important it is so as you mentioned within hours of the supreme court decision which totally new disagree with, it's wrong. we announced that we are moving forward with another pathway to debt relief. there's gonna be a public hearing it's a negotiated making progress with as the president said friday, it takes a little longer. but it's a pathway that i have available to provide that relief. and we'll be using that, we're starting the process, we

started out friday and the first step is an open hearing that will be taking information and taking public comment. and it's happening in july. >> it's part of this announcement that there's gonna be a 12 month period for borrowers entering payments beginning in october, for young people out there who are freaking out right now, because they're not sure if they can make their payments, they don't know if the current salary will allow them to make payments, what do you tell them, how will that work? >>, sure 43 million people are waiting for positive decisions friday. and we're gonna keep fighting. in addition to the rulemaking process that's going to move us forward with another plan for that relay. for providing to other things, and on ramp over calling an on ramp. wall interest will accrue, and payments are due, we're not gonna be harming those who are struggling to make payments for the first 12. months or calling it an on, right we will be giving information to credit reporting

agencies. we want to make sure we're preventing people from stall -- and we're creating that on ramp again. rolling out are saving income driven repayment programs. basically, i'm excited about, this, john it's a big deal. for undergraduate students to airline payments will be cut in half. if your salary is less than $33,000 a, year your salary will your loan payment will go down to zero dollars. or making sure that we're rolling out a plan that's responsible, will people will be asked -- play more than they can afford. we have three things, we have the debt relief plan rolling out. we have the income driven repayment plan. which is new. and it's the best whenever. and we have the on ramp to make sure that we're supporting our borrows as they report return to repayment. >> is there any reconsideration, it's a big question out there of extending the pause on payments. which will resume in october. >> you know, and the, schley we

communicated that 60 days after the lone, the decisions made by the supreme court. that payments will resume. with the debt negotiation conversation that was really put the right congress said there's no way we can do that. either way they're gonna star. we want to make sure we're doing in a way that supportive of our borrowers. and recognizing the fact that for many of them that can be struggling to make payments. and that they've been pause for three. years later to support them in this process and that's what we're doing. >> before i let you go, i want to ask you about something, former president trump keeps saying which is that high school or principles i should say should be elected and fired by votes from parents. you are a lifelong educator, why would that be damaging, what about that concerns you? >> you, know i was an elementary school principal for ten years. amen educator. i think the absurdity that comes out of his mouth baffles me. the last two days we've dealt

with decisions that bring back education, decades this is the same president that's talking about smaller government not wanting to have a sick hand in the classroom overreaching. please, we have trained professionals out there that working closely to parents and were supportive of making sure that our parents and educators work together to have decisions being made at the ground level. the last immediate someone trying to get political points by creating culture wars and division our country. our kids need us to work together and to be front and center. right now the division that they're promoting an education is harming kids. and we will stand for. it will keep fighting for our bowers, keep fighting for access to higher education, and our k-12 space will raise the bar to make sure the kids have opportunities that they deserve. >> so many questions around education, and the cost of college, how people will pay for. i hope to have you back to talk more about this. miguel cardona, thank you so much for joining me this afternoon. coming up next, my thoughts and

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reemergence of very old gop playbook. that harkens back to richard nixon's infamous southern strategy. during his campaign for president in 1960 the republican party made a concerted effort to reach white southerners, who voted for democrats by playing to their fears of african american and the civil rights movement. and it worked. by putting one ruble americans against another the gop successfully managed to split off southern whites from democratic parties. now decades later the right-wing is reviving that same playbook. this time with muslim arrogance and drives people. hear me out here, the gop is trying to recruit muslim americans, i communicate that makes up less than 2% of the u.s. population, against another tiny marginalized group of americans. transgender people. it's important to remember that

back in 2011 during the republican primary that the right we had dozen a muslim american's as public enemy number one. no surprise, given that conspiracy theorists remember -- i do. you have been trying for years to portray president obama as a trojan horse for sharia law. republican after a publican candidate got fear of the fabricated threats. posed by him as law make legal dom -- debated by scholars for centuries. to them of the imaginary prospect of sharia law in this country with scarier than gun violence, climate change, and more important to discuss than say millions of people who did not have health care. >> i do not believe gave in cherie a law in american courts. i believe in american laws, in american courts. >> if we think there is an underlining now, just wait, if korea is adopted or utilized by justices in the united states. >> except injury and united states would be the end of our

civilization we know it. no jurisdiction will tolerate sharia and pose in the united states of america. >> the end of our civilization as we know it. of course there was no chance that sharia law was gonna be implemented in the united states. trump's origin story is the earth is part of that, all of this also set the stage for him to make this declaration as a candidate in 2015. >> donald j trump is calling for a total and complete shut down, of muslims entering the united states. >> now fast forward eight years and the right-wing has focused their fearmongering on trans people and who better to go after the new enemy than the old enemy. consider this from 2015. 2015. >> we cannot be the warehouse of all these muslim people coming from these farflung lands where we are just not

going to be able to control who becomes radicalized, who doesn't. it is impossible. >> now if you can believe it, laura ingraham is rolling muslims against books and schools with lgbtq+ themes. >> us catholics and other christians, other people of faith have been waiting for the muslims to step up on this issue. >> in an interview later with this woman, laura ingraham, who just on the screen, couldn't believe how ironic this was all -- he said quote, five years ago laura was saying that we should have muslims in this country. thank god the muslims are here. just to summarize, the right wingers, the conspiracy theorists, the birther's, they now want us to forget the years they spent fearmongering about muslims in islamic. ten years ago, standing against syria lot was the key gop litmus test. now that litmus test seems to be how fervently transgender

people -- just list of what trump had to say about that, if he doesn't exactly know why he's attacking them. >> it is amazing how strong people feel about that. you see them talking about cutting taxes, talking about transgender, everyone goes crazy. who would've thought it a go, five years ago they don't know what it was. >> so what you just heard in that -- that sounds an awful lot like, and reminiscent of what george wallace, a staunch segregationist once told a newspaper editor. quote, you know i tried to talk about good roads and good schools, and all these things that have been part of my career and no one listens. >> i began talking about black people and they stomped the floor. so, let's be clear, this is the same ole gop playbook. a cynical ploy to carry the fabric of our society and damage the idea that out of many we are one, all because they want so desperately to regain the white house. coming up, delicate, the first

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history in 2017 when she became virginia's first openly transgender elected official. now six years later she is running for state senate. i sat down with her at one of his favorite local restaurants to learn more about her journey. is this a place you would typically come on weekends when you have some time? >> i come here every day, once every 2 to 3, to four weeks. i just catch up, one of the best ways to interact with you constituents is to go where they are and you say hey, how are you doing? tell me what is on your mind. >> i love that. now, you are the first trans person to be elected in virginia and you are known by a lot of people for that. but a lot of people don't know about how you grew up.

you grew up around here. what was your childhood? like >> i went public school from kindergarten to third grade. and then i spent the next 13 years at catholic school from fourth grade all the way to college. >> how did you feel in that catholic school? >> i hate the uniform, that's for sure. especially when you are a trans kid, not a good feel. >> didn't feel like you. was there a person in your life who helped you become the person you are meant to be? >> in terms of being trans, i just didn't talk to anyone about it. >> not at all in high school. >> i was scared to death to tell anyone. >> what were you scared that it were going to -- >> complete ostracization. to be singled out in that regard. i knew one out of gay person in all of high school and i saw him getting messed with. it is just, i didn't have outlets for expression. >> i heard that you name danica might have a connection to your love of heavy metal.

>> you know, as i was choosing my own, is kind of like you're putting on a jacket, you're trying to figure something if it's. i love metallica, a european band who is amazing. yep, that's the one. it just clicked, it felt right. one of the things when you come out as trends is when things start going right for you in terms of how people just talk to you and the first time they get your pronoun correct, not because they were being kind, you but it is how they saw you in the world. you feel elated in that moment. >> how old were you when you felt that euphoria? do you remember a particular moment or day, or interaction? >> i wish for a local newspaper for more than nine years and there was a day, i was well into transitioning, i was at high school and i was

interviewing the team afterwards. the coach, a typical thing, conducted an interview. he was really polite, super polite. and i was like, there's nothing to correct. is the first time everyone's got it right. >> what advice would you give to the young danika out there who may see you talking publicly about your own experience, who sees hundreds of bills being pushed forward, what advice would you give to them? >> be who you are and be that because of your, not despite it, and not for what other people tell you you're supposed to be. >> i know you are a fellow library lover. you just wrote a book and you love books so i think we are going to go check out the local library. >> sounds good. >> what do you love the most about libraries? >> the entire part of my community here, if they want knowledge on something, if they want entertainment on something, if they want to learn about stuff, they have a place where they are welcomed regardless of identifier's. everyone is welcome at the library.

this is one of the ultimate equalizer is in the world. >> as a big reader, does it feel wild that your book here is in this library? >> yeah. i love the fact that my local library is carrying my book. it is really cool to have gone from this closet case here too afraid to tell anyone who actually was, being able to express myself right here in the area. now putting it all on display. >> thank you for spending some time with me today, take me to the library, and the amazing diner down the street. >> thank you so much for coming. so great to be with you. >> my thanks to delegate danica roem for taking me to one of her favorite places to eat, and of course to the local library. we are back with more after a quick break. ick break. ick break. and encouraging messages of hope to help support nearly three hundred thousand patients facing cancer nationwide. we call it “the subaru love promise.”

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