>> tonight on the -- mehdi hasan, decades of progress destroyed by six concern of justices whose rulings were dishonest, misleading, and filled with bs. is it not time for democrats to

rebalance and expand this road to supreme court? bus, when donald trump looks and amir, does he see richard nixon staring back at him? how one disgraced ex president pave the way for the latest disgraced ex president. msnbc exclusive tonight, the former prime minister of pakistan joins me to discuss human rights and democracy in his country and the case against him. why we in america should all care. good evening, i'm mehdi hasan. perhaps the two most important weapons in american politics right now are not 435 and 500, the number of house members in congress. or 40 and 44, the pulling the embers for joe biden and donald trump respectively in the latest survey. but six and three, that is the ideological division on the highest court in the land.

six conservative justices versus three liberal justices. it is how we all powell fruit supreme court cans to vote on a lot of the biggest issues that come before them. six against three, before we get those cases tonight, cases that have offended economic policy in this country, and tens of millions of americans, it is worth pointing out, of those six conservative justices, five appointed by presidents who lost the popular vote before securing the oval office. three by a president who incited an insurrection against the united states. two, brett kavanaugh and cleanse thomas were credibly accused of sexual misconduct, which they deny. to, new gorsuch and amy coney barrett sit in state seats that were effectively stolen for them by mitch mcconnell. and to, cleanse thomas and samuel alito have been adjusted in recent weeks accused of breaking ethics rules which they both deny. when you see the supreme court 's approval rating is at its lowest in modern american history, it is because of stuff

like that. it's also because of the kind of a shocking and hugely consequential rulings, 63 rulings that we saw just this past week. rulings that weren't just decided in a way that people of good faith can disagree about because of different legal interpretations, but rulings that were plainly dishonest, misleading, without foundation, and riddled with b s. let's start with 303 creator llc versus -- the woman at the center of it, lori smith by now i'm sure that she is the website to decide who in 2016 filed a suit arguing that free speech protections should entitle her to deny services to a gay couple seeking to hire her ahead of their wedding. what you may not have heard is that it appears with smith and the activists lawyers representing her that they may have invented, fabricated, manufactured an imaginary gay couple, presumably to secure standing before the court. stuart, one of the men whose name and contact information

appears in court filings, number one has never met smith, number two straight, not gay, has been happily married to a woman living in oregon, not colorado for the past 15 years. and number three, happens to be a website design himself. so not even sure he ever needed her services. those outrageous revelations came to light the day before its ruling on trial to recreate of. meaning that the concern of justices no pay no heed to the fact that they were about to use a fraudulent case to effectively make queer americans second-class it isn't 's. that is especially drawing because if you recall, section two article three of the constitution makes clear that supreme court can only rule on actual cases and controversies. they are barred from ruling on cases with hypotheticals and we'll, imaginary games. the rope reactionaries did not care. nor did they care in their 63 ruling in biden libra nebraska, also this past week. that the company at the heart of the republican legal attack on joe biden's student debt cancellation plan, the only

company granting standing within the six-day coalition suing biden's administration, the missouri higher education loan authority did not file, did not solicit, and wanted nothing to do with the case at all. that is probably because an analysis of the roosevelt institute says that they stand to gain revenue if debt cancellation goes for. not to get into the weeds, but to have a stand before the supreme court, the parties you demonstrated has been harmed. last i checked, getting a raise does not equate to being harmed. but i digress, the final cases we need to talk about are of course the two suits that ended affirmative action in american colleges and american higher education, both of which you will be shocked to discover six conservative justices ruling in lockstep. rulings that will have devastating and far-reaching consequences for the country. but not as far-reaching as you might think because as justice sotomayor points out in her dissent, the majority opinion

uses a footnote, yes a footnote to completely exempt military academies from the ruling. why? beyond quote potentially distinct interests, she justice roberts and in character explain. they consider majority puts on this song and dance about ending segregation and restoring balance to the force by killing affirmative action. but then they just leave it in place at military academies for reasons. let's review. within the three biggest decision to come out of the court this week, one involved a party that didn't exist. one involved a party that had no interest in being there, and one involved a majority opinion that really contradicts itself in a footnote. so my question is democrats, what are going to do it about all of this? >> do you worry that without court reform this conservative majority is too young and too conservative that they might do

too much harm? >> i think they may do too much harm but i think that if we start the process of trying to expand the court, we are going to politicize it forever in a way that is not healthy. >> earth to president biden, that ship has sailed. you're bringing a butter knife to a bazooka fight. worrying about politicizing the court while your times home colonist is using about the chief justice being a shadow president quote, roberts acts in many ways like the far side republican present we have had the century. ideological, pay careful, moderating his own demands but still seeking its advantage. chief justice of the supreme court is not supposed to be a republican president. democrats, it's time to wake up and smell the roe v. wade precedent destroyed around you. this is a rogue political institution, not a neutral court and it's not going to write itself.

so yes, democrats, you can complain about the supreme court, you can say this is not normal, it isn't. but unless you're going to call for court reform, court expansion, court rebalancing, your words have as much value and imports as clarence thomas is thomas's financial disclosure forms. joining me to discuss all this and more is rose about the third, a professor at the intercity of -- also served on joe biden supreme court reform. and jennifer reuben, m. s. -- and an opinion writer for the washington post. thank you both for joining me tonight, professor roosevelt, you are a member of joe biden's commission on court reform. he ended up kicking the report from that into the long grass. this is what he had to say about it on msnbc on thursday, have a listen. >> we look at court reform again? >> i did look at it. here's two things, before i got elected, well i put together a group of constitutional scholars to try to expand the court which i think is a mistake after the judgment was, that doesn't make sense.

because it can become so politicized in the future. >> you were on that commission, i believe you started off skeptical of court expansion, but now you think that's the only way to save the supreme court and we balance it? >> i do. i started off skeptical of court expansion. i started off skeptical of term limits. i ended up convinced first that we can do term limits by statute, we don't need a constitutional amendment. we certainly should do that. i think pretty much everyone who is thought about it agrees that would improve the institution. but also do think that this situation is so urgent that we should do court expansion to. i think that this court is attacking the democratic process, that is what disturbs me the most. if we let this court lock in minority control, we may never get it back. >> it is very good point, a recent study suggested that it

would take decades for democrats to appoint a majority of members. jen, you support quarter form, things that term limits. but the president you support doesn't, not really. i believe you are part of a group of journalists who met with him privately off the record earlier this week. what is he thinking? why won't you budge on this do you think? >> well, unfortunately that was before these decisions so we didn't have a chance to grill him on it. but i will say this, and this is key, it is not a right, left problem. it is not even an attack on maternity, this is an attack on democracy. the court is acting in an illegitimate fashion. what that means is it is displacing the political elected branches, that is a fundamental premise of democracy. we elected leaders, they actually get to serve, unlike the mob that wanted to rig the election in 2020. and, they get to make decisions being accountable to us, the voters. this court is not doing this. you have laid out perfectly the

chicanery, the dishonesty, coming up for these cases. that is not acting like a court, that is not judging, that is something else. that is partisan politics. whatever you think of the decision, you like them, you don't like them, that is beside the point. this is not a court. as a result, it is not a question of rebalancing, it is a question of correcting and making the court back into a court. it is transforming it from something that is illegitimate into something that would be legitimate and operate -- >> agree with everything you're saying, your analysis a spot on, but joe biden's telling nicole wallace, wait it might be too political if we do anything about it. it is already political. >> yes, it is. listen, i would commend democrats any new else interested in democracy to not worry about joe biden too much. this is going to take more than one election. this can take more than one reform. this is a long term project, republicans set out to change the court over decades. democrats have to be as solid

and committed to long term education of the public, electing people who are old enough to do these reforms. joe biden might not be the president to do it, quite frankly. he is better than the alternative, but he may not be the guy. >> i'm not sure we have the time for a long term judicial reform the way these guys are motoring along. kevin, you are a law professor. how do you explain to your law students how it is the justices rule on a case three or three creative in which they knew that the man who supposedly requested a gay wedding website never made that request and isn't gay? explain to our viewers how they just get away with that ruling knowing what we all know. i don't understand. >> well, how can we get away with it? the answers, they are the supreme court. as justice rob jackson ones that, they are not final because they are infallible. they are infallible because their final. there is no court that can reverse them.

so no one can stop them from what they're doing in terms of another court. but ultimately, the american people are supposed to be in control in this country. we are supposed to have a democracy. and so that is why it is so important for the political branches that represent the american people to assert themselves against this court. and not just let it impose its whims in made of cases. >> yes. and, gentleness question before we run out of time. after askew, what did you make of the sheer arrogance, hubris, temerity of chief justice john roberts. suggesting that the three liberal justices have been mean to the conservatives in their dissent and misleading the public on the proper role of the court. >> it is worth pointing out, in interpreting a statute using a completely made up new gimmick called the major questions doctorate, that when he read the statute, he ignored the word weight. that is what the president did,

they waved at the student debt. wave was in the statute. wave was not a word that chief justice roberts liked so wave didn't come up in his opinion. that is how dishonest it is. and sure, he is thin skin, he is ornery, he is very fussy when the three justices and the minority point out the emperor has no clothes. the emperor is becoming an emperor in reality. >> we are gonna take all your rights, don't you dare complain about it. jennifer reuben, thank you both for your analysis, we appreciate it. coming up after the break, the grand jury hearing evidence in the trump classified occupants case is still meeting despite the ex presidents indictment. could more indictments be on the way? how nixonian is all of this? more energy in just two weeks. uh... here i'll take that. -everyone: woo hoo! ensure max protein with 30 grams of protein, one gram of sugar. enter the nourishing moments giveaway for a chance to win $10,000.

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in smith, jack smith. he is a thug. i have every right to have these documents, personal belongings and boxes. i had an absolute right to have them.

>> those donald j trump doing his usual airing of grievances at his first campaign rally since he was indicted for the second time. of the espionage act, the mishandling of classified documents. of course, trump attacking the people investigating him is nothing new. he made like long republican mueller into public enemy number one. in trump's world, he is never wrong. and trump's royalty is always unfairly investigated. and trump's troubled he's entitled to take classified documents and keep them for as long as he wants. he is not, by the way. where could trump have gotten this imperial attitude towards government secrets. because he was once president, he can do whatever he wants. without consequence. perhaps he learned it from another disgraced former republican president richard nixon who when asked by frost in 1977 why he authorized legal actions against anti vietnam war protesters, nixon infamously replied, well when the president does it, that means that it is not illegal. nbc presidential historian recently on twitter quote, had present for not granted nixon

animals immediate full free and absolute pardon in 1974, later presidents might hat not a felt so license to break the law. >> michael joins me now as does jill wine-banks, legal analyst who served as one of the assistant prosecutors during the watergate scandal. thank you both for coming back on the show. michael, let's start with that tweet that you wrote. do you really believe that had he not pardon nixon, trump would not have felt so emboldened to break the law? this is trump we're talking about. a man who doesn't give a dam about precedent or norms. >> i do and my good friend jill from chicago where we both come from, phil is still there, has better judgment. maybe we both have midwestern common sense. that would lead me to say that

if jill and her colleagues on the watergate special prosecution force had gotten to indict nixon as they wanted to do, and ford had not pardon him 30 days after nixon left office, nixon might at least have gone to the brink of a trial and then fingerprinted, been indicted, seen going into court. maybe the trial might have begun. if that had happened, if nixon had been that close to prison as i think jill and i agree he would have been in such a circumstance, donald trump might not have been so reckless about breaking the law as president and as an ex president. >> jill, do you agree with that? and also, do you believe that trump makes nixon looked like a choir boy when it comes to crime? >> i do agree with michael, there is no question that i fought at the time to indict the president, both as a sitting president and as a resigned former president. someone who is just a citizen. unfortunately, she opposed both efforts and in the conversations that were going

on to bring an indictment after he left office, he got pardoned and a pardon is act salute and forever. we were unable to do that. even though donald trump is a person with no shame and no recognition or value to the laws, i do think that the reality of nixon having been held accountable might have sent a message to him that would have had him under control, would've had him listening to his lawyers who said, you can't do these things. it would have made a difference. do i think it makes nixon look like a choir boy? no. i often think it is worse because i did not feel that democracy was at stake during watergate. i feel democracy is at stake now. i think the big problem is really fox news and all the

other social media that have created this environment of alternative reality. that is what the real problem is, there are millions of people who actually believe the blatant lies and do not pay any tension to what are facts. you laid them out. we had 60 cases thrown out but there was no fraud in the election. but people still believed the election was stolen because donald trump says it loud and says it often. it goes to your first segment tonight about what has to happen to the supreme court. and whether we can let them keep getting away with throwing out the past when during the confirmation, starry site -- and then they just ignore it. so i think we have a lot to accomplish in terms of democracy. >> jill, it's interesting you mention fox because of course roger, the founder of fox, said one of the time -- because he saw nixon, he never wanted to happen to a president again. and it worked. michael, it's interesting that you'll also mentioned having

wanting to go off to nixon while he was a sitting president. i wonder, is there an analogy, do you think, between the impact, the impact of joe ford pardoning nixon and joe biden so far refusing to get rid of the doj guidance that says you can't indict the president. is president biden doing enough to prevent future trump or trump himself in a second term from brazenly breaking the law? >> i don't think so in the sense that i think office of legal counsel ruling in the early 1970s, which said that a sitting president cannot be indicted, that was just a ruling from the nixon justice department. why are we going by this 50 years later as if this comes down from a mountain.

of course, sitting presidents should be vulnerable to indictment, otherwise the white house is a free crime zone. >> indeed. joe, trump is already been indicted for his mishandling of documents, but that doesn't mean jackson's through with him on that. the york times reported this week that the federal grand jury has issued more subpoenas in recent days, indicating the probe is expanding beyond the initial charges against trump and his aide turned codefendant. how strong is this case looking to you, jill, and how concerned are you that a photo jury that includes loyal trump supporters will never agree on a virtually -- >> let me start with your latter point which is, is there going to be a hung jury? that is a risk in florida. there is no question that in

particular the in fort pierce, which is heavily red, that there could be a hung jury. there is no way that there will be an acquittal. i say that because jurors take a very seriously the guidance from the judge that says you must judge on the evidence in his courtroom. based on what is already publicly known about the evidence, the case is very strong. and there are cases in new jersey, waiting to happen, i can't imagine based on the tape that there won't be an indictment in new jersey for showing a classified document to a person without's joint security. so i think there is more to come from classified documents. >> there's more to come. we are almost out of time, michael, i want to get the last moment to you. do you believe as a historian of the presidency that the presidency, the united states government, the united states government democracy can survive a second dose trump term? >> i think it is really questionable and the answer is maybe no. you have a president who will go wild to do what he did in what was the first term under that scenario. he tried to expand the presidencies power beyond all bounds. he tried to wreck our democracy. he broke law, finally india did not get to do it on the 6th of january. but he is set for years to learn how to do it a lot

better. he is the one who is telling us that this is going to be a primary elected presidency of retribution. if that happens, we are in danger of using our democracy in a way that we have not seen before. >> that is depressing, but in fort. here michael, jill, as evan thank you both. >> thank you. >> coming up, an update on the manhunt for that mass shooter who ended almost 30 people in baltimore. ♪♪ voltaren. the joy of movement. ♪♪ i brought in ensure max protein with 30g of protein. those who tried me felt more energy in just two weeks. uh... here i'll take that. -everyone: woo hoo! ensure max protein with 30 grams of protein, one gram of sugar. enter the nourishing moments giveaway for a chance to win

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about the ongoing political turmoil and violence in pakistan right now? well, it is the fifth biggest country in the world. it has nuclear weapons. it was more the front lines of the so-called aware and terror and it is currently concerned by a government to be a major non-nato ally. and yet, ever since cameron hong, the legendary populist politician was ejected from the prime minister's office last year in a very controversial parliamentary vote. that country has been the midst of a historic political and economic crisis. con, who means hugely popular

inside of pakistan, has had more than 100 criminal cases thrown at him from corruption to terrorism, to blasphemy. and there's also has been a vicious crackdown against members of his own political party. cannes a violent arrest outside a courthouse in may later deemed by pakistan supreme court to be illegal, led to mass protests to violence and death across the country. according to human rights watch, while some of his supporters did use violence, the pakistani authorities quote, used excessive force against protesters. restricted access to the internet and social media and carried out mass arrests. more than 4000 people detained, many of them arbitrarily. but it was so stunning about those protests is that they were just anti government, they even challenge the dominance of the once revered, almost untouchable pakistani army. see, that country of more than

250 million people, which has long aspire to be a functioning democracy, has been ruled directly or indirectly by the military for most of its 75 years of independence. currently, the pakistani military has banned any mention of his name on air. prominent journalists have just disappeared, even pakistani american fashion designer has been detained for taking part in the protests. and con himself, who survived an assassination attempt last november, is worried for his own life. the former prime minister who is accused of cozying up to vladimir putin and xi jinping, hasn't had much support from western capitals. he himself accused the biden administration of being behind a coup against him. and allegation that the state department has denied and that con has since backed away from. what should america be doing here, what does the future hold for pakistan and for imran khan? earlier, i spoke to the foreign partnership accident and chairman of the political party, the pti. >> iran, thank you for coming on the show. you are the former prime minister of pakistan. explain to our viewers watching

in america tonight what you believe is the state of democracy, of freedom, of human rights in pakistan tonight? how bad is it? >> well mehdi, for some of us who have seen the evolution of our democracy over the, especially 20 years, including the marshall law. and then in that marshall up we saw what was called the movement for the independents of judiciary. during that time, the media said of its independence, so we were moving towards a democratic system, to governments came in and stood for five years and then left, elections and other governments took over. so moving towards the, what we hope would be genuine democracy. but normally, we had a hard system. even when the army was not in power, they really controlled the leaders from behind.

but, what is happening right now is a total dismantling of our democracy. it is not a question of what is happening to my party, these hundred and 70 cases and so on, whether i'm in jail or not one but two assassination temps, it is what is happening to the future of this country if our mossy dispense. because rule of law, democracy, and prosperity go hand in hand. when you do not have rule of law, which is what is happening now, this might is right, there is marshall in pakistan, then there's darkness head. we are standing on the shoulders of darkness. >> so, what is your message to the american government tonight, to president joe biden? on the one hand, the urge the u.s. to speak out in the name of democracy and human rights

against what is happening in pakistan right now. but you've also accused the u. s. of being behind a quote foreign conspiracy, a coup against you. you have repeatedly called what happened to quote u.s.-backed regime change. >> well, the facts about what happens, about me receiving a cipher, a coded message from our ambassador in washington, this is six march 2022. it said the american official and the secretary of state, telling our ambassador in and in official meeting that unless you get emmert can there will be consequences. and then the vote of confidence, it takes place the next day. and within weeks my government is gone. i merely stated the facts and put the safer in front of the cabinet, in front of the national security council, and there was an official protest from pakistan for interfering in internal affairs. but that is behind me. look, all i want the u.s. to do

is profess the aims of so-called western values of human rights, rule of law. they should be worried -- they should worry about 250 million people, the whole democratic structures being warmed up. as i've said, we haven't -- surely, this is not what the western countries would want. they should speak about, speak out against. >> so obviously, the biden administration denies being involved in your rejection from power. the current pakistani government is cooley afraid of you, hence the mass arrests, the talk about in your party, the more than 150 legal cases against you, they said you are a bigger threat to the country than indian prime minister -- rather ridiculously. do you believe that if

elections are held on time in october of this year, that your besiege party can still win and that you can still be prime minister again? surely that is a pipe dream now. >> look, out -- since i've been ousted, out of the 37 by-elections held, 30 have been served by my party despite the total support of the establishment to this coalition. so clearly, they are scared. this whole thing which happened after the ninth year when i was abducted from within the high court, abduction. the way that they abduct me was with some tourists. the reaction to that was used as a way of just clamping down, clamping down on my party. we equated to what hitler did after the 1933 burning of the german parliament. he crack down on the communist

and put them out. this is what is happening now. how could a few cases of arson be made a reason for 10,000 of our workers in jail. and every day, people -- my entire leadership is in jail. the only way the leadership can come out of jail is if they renounce the government being part of my party. so it is never happened in this country before. women have never been put in jail. the entire media has been puzzled. >> i mean, the military, which is the real power in pakistan is obviously a to get you. it was armory rangers who arrested you outside the courthouse, not police, it is military officials who told, reportedly told packaging journalist not tonight you're a mother. yet your critics would say that you came to power in 2018, everyone knows this, in alliance with that same military, that you four years had close relations with top generals going all the way back to the head of the ioc. critics would say that it is ironic to see you now criticizing the same army, intelligence chiefs who you were once fine with and who helped put you in power in the first place.

>> first, just to correct you, i was abducted by rangers from within the court, i was actually sitting in the courtroom. so just to correct you. and the supreme court was illegal, that is why i was bailed out. look, in fact stand the military has directly or indirectly ruled pakistan for several years. three times marcia lost, and then the other times -- because they're entrenched. and so whoever does politics have too has to work with him. now, when i came to power in 2018, it wasn't because the military did that, they didn't oppose me. in 2013, they heard that go and they proved in the rigged elections. in 2018, we asked everyone for elections, because we came through properly free and fair elections.

in fact, we've lost some seats. but the thing, as i work at the military. i worked with the army chief, so i worked pretty well with him. the main problem was, you see my whole thing is rule of law. i started my movement for justice 27 years ago. wanting to bring the powerful mafia, the political mafia under the law. this is where the problem begins. you know, -- he wasn't interested in. if -- he had the veto power, this is where i failed. although we succeeded economically, we dealt with pandemic. but i failed in the rule of law. >> up next, what about the criticisms of him rom-com's own time in office. don't go away.

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find the military you say none of this stuff is happened before, but you locked opposition leaders, you looked up journalist you crack down on the press and now you're getting upset that the same is being done to you. >> look, the term false equivalence you cannot compare what's going on in my time to this in fact, general beshara martial law was more different than what's happening right now, in our time you people would name which general did we cause, which generals left the country for our top journalists have left the country one, fifth one was connected to the supreme court chief justice that his life was in danger, he scared he was killed in kenya are journalists right now and the best is disappeared for 40 days. but you know.

>> but chairman cannon, i won't dispute what's happening now. i'm credible about the governments. done it's not about equivalent. stuff it's about under what you did a lot of these things. maybe not as badly as the current government. but reporters without borders for example they called you a press freedom predator in 2021. they criticize you at the time for threatening abducting and torturing journalist. that happened on your watch. -- pakistani journalist wrote less last month for the guardian, when you were in office he wasn't allowed on air even though you once called him a favorite anchor. the problem is that a lot of this stuff did happen on your, what you're not a champion of free press people say hold on, now you're saying it's bad when it happens against joe. >> firstly, mehdi, the only time that i found out about a journalist being picked up and disappear it was a guy called -- the next year i got it back. the problems we had when we

were at the tail end of the war on terror. and the establishment was worried about anything, they were responsible for a few guys were picked. up but this was nothing compared to what's going on. the only thing that we try to do was that there was fake news on social media, and that was because-ing havoc because there was slandering people insulin. that's the only thing we tried, and we didn't even putting those laws on. but at the end of the day there is no comparison to what's happening right now. my name cannot be mentioned on media. >> hold on, when you are prime minister -- on air either. that's what your critics would. say you did the same thing -- to >> not at all. look, mayor sharif was a convicted by the supreme court. he van faked his innocence and managed to bring out -- about to die. then his brother gave and forgiven, that he's gonna bait for treatment and come back. a convict. he

goes to imran and all of a sudden he's disappearing, and you give lectures to pakistan. he was a convict you can't -- what was happening to me. i'm not convicted of -- >> but the media can say, i'm not -- his name couldn't be mentioned on. or were out of time. i need to ask you have any regrets about what you did in office especially with the military given what the military is now doing, but would you go back and do differently if you could, last question? >> firstly, given what happened after i came into power, i should've actually with the weak coalition government i should not have taken power, i should've gone for elections again. because you cannot bring reforms and changes, especially if you have a weak government. and if i need to do it again, this hybrids system cannot work. if you're an elected prime minister you must have --

to implement a reforms. it cannot work that you have the responsibility because you're elected. the entirety is shared. and the army chief has a veto power. this sort of system is doomed for failure. and pakistan what it confesses right now is huge economic province it's the worst economic situation in our country. it must be fixed. the governance systems and rule of law, i'm afraid the country on the edge of darkness. >> there is no doubt that there is a massive political economic crisis and pakistan. we appreciate you taking time out to speak to us. and i do hope you stay safe. imran, -conformational pakistan, thank. yeah >> coming up at the top of the hour. with amiability michelle goldberg, the naacp's wisdom poll, and professor catherine frankie. they'll discuss how

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enjoy the rest of your evening off. good evening to you at home, tonight on ayman, just getting started the supreme court's conservative justice laid the groundwork in their opinions to strip americans of even more rights. and they're trying to hide that fact from -- all explain how. and the ever-expanding case against donald trump. new reporting reveals the ex presidents efforts to overturn the 2020 election are somehow even more involved than we realize. plus, credit where's credit to. the upon in these -- last year. so why is president biden not getting enough credit for it? i'm ayman mohyeldin, let's get started. ♪ ♪ ♪