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>> tonight, we want to get some important context of the supreme court's latest ruling this term. because while we can go through the immediate ramifications of those decisions. and it's obviously important and necessary to do that. we also need to start looking to the future. in one sense to understand how ending our changing policies will affect the fabric of our society. but in another, to look at the unknown. and there's a lot we don't know because within the court's decision there is vague language that will be exploited by conservatives looking to further curtail rights. there are some urgings from republican appointed justices to legal activists pushing them to bring up cases that will also further curtail these rights. enough, fact in his term and in the last term the supreme court open pandora's box. -- the creative versus the court ruled that a christian web designer has the right to refuse her services of

designing wedding websites to same-sex couples. the majority opinion justice neil gorsuch said, the web designer has not and will not create the expression that defy any of her religious beliefs for any customer. in other, words her designs are recognized as free speech. and the state of colorado cannot force her to create a message that she doesn't believe in. there's the obvious immediate problem of allowing this woman to discriminate. but there's another big problem here. the word expressions is a vague term. and actually will be left open to interpretation by other services people. saying any business that engages in quote, expression, might be able to legally discriminate against whoever they want, putting other protective groups at risk. as aclu director david cole told the new york times, we will live in a world in which any business that has an expressive service can put up a sign that says, women not served, jews not served, black people not served. and they may

do it by claiming a first amendment right to do so. and then there's the court striking down affirmative action similarly, broad language will likely bring about challenges to court diverse being an issue and other programs designed to increase multiculturalism and diversity within a company. according to the washington post conservative groups and legal experts say that the private sector should get -- more legal challenges to their diversity, equity, and inclusion, or d e i initiative. as i, said this trend began last year while overturning roe v. wade, justice clarence thomas wrote in a concurring opinion, other presidents have to do with americans fundamental privacy and equal protection rights should also be reconsider. citing the cases that legalized same sex relationships, same sex marriage, and access to contraceptive. these justices

have developed a clear and obvious pattern here. bill do whatever they can in the moment to take away your rights., but they're always looking to leave the door open to hurt you farmer in the future. joining me now to discuss this, michelle goldberg, msnbc political angus and new york times columnist. wisdom coal, natural director for the youth in college division. and catherine fang, the james door professor of law at columbia university. thank you for being with us. michelle, we'll start with you and get your thoughts on the fact that this court is going about at this. way it's typically at rights, leaving the door open for more rollbacks. do you think the public is aware of the strategy. is it becoming apparent the way we describe it. they signal to you where they think there is an opening so the activist, the conservative, right-wing activists that are out there go shopping for the right case and share the right case to bring in front of them?

rollbacks. do you think the public is aware of the strategy. is it becoming apparent the way we describe it. they signal to you where they think there is an opening so the activist, the conservative, right-wing activists that are out there go shopping for the right case and share the right case to bring in front of them? >> i'm not sure. a lot, obviously the supreme court is held in far more disrepute than ever in its contemporary history. so, clearly there's a lot of distrust. whether people understand just how far these cases might go. or how broad the implications may be. i'm not really sure, i'm not sure for sure -- religious minorities understand that a case that says that you can say my religious beliefs trump public accommodation laws. why there, that doesn't necessarily only apply to the lgbtq community, it can apply, and it's important to remember that in the days of segregation, in the days you had businesses that weren't saying that it was their right as a sovereign business not to serve black customers. many of them did

couch those objectives. they did couch the discrimination in religious terms. and there are still people who have who have religious objections to interracial marriage. into religious marriage, and so yeah, i don't think we know how far this will go. >> -- what concerns you the most as you see these rulings take shape? >> two things. one, michelle mentioned this is a much broader right tell religious liberty that we've ever seen before. but this new case, the 303 creative case has nothing to do with religious liberty, it's a free speech case. what the court says that lori smith has a constitutional free speech right not to serve same-sex couples because complying with the inequality law in colorado forced her to speak for express the message that she did not agree with. so,

she didn't need to have a religious reason, but that wasn't necessary. this is a much broader exemption from laws that regulate all the rest of us. if you just happen to not agree with the law and there is some way you can make up that your work, the kind of work that you do is expressive the nature. then you don't need to comply with the law. because it's forcing you to express some message you disagree with. i'm thinking about applebee's family restaurants, or romantic hotel in the poconos. or plantation destinations where they have theme parks, restaurants, hotels. all of them are expressing, curating a kind of experience for their customer, there's something creative in all those things. and having to comply with human

rights laws, or really any laws. they don't have to then because it could violate their first amendment rights. we don't even need a religious real -- to disagree with the law. >> correct me if i'm wrong. the original case became a couple years ago when the cake, that was brought under religious equality law. and then ultimately the court signal to them, you may have a better chance of bringing this similar clay's back. but under the freedom of expression. >> absolutely. the groups that are bringing these cases have been arguing both free speech and religious liberty, or religious redemption for sometime. but the long term goal was to get a much broader ruling around free speech. because you don't have to show that you had a sincerely held religious beliefs that justifies request for an exemption. we just need to disagree with the law. this blows a huge hole in any law whether it's laws having to do with minimum wage, climate the kind of business they have has some kind of expressive quality to, it they can say, i don't need to abide by the law that everyone else has.

>> it's a pandora's box up in the open. let me ask you about the other decision, and that's the supreme court rejecting the biden administration student loan relief program. and the solution he rolled on friday including the repayment options that would be available to millions of borrowers. in your capacity as the national director for youth in college at the naacp, what are you hearing from young folks on the ground as they see these decisions rolled out? >> eamonn, i want to acknowledge that this week's been sad, difficult. and one -- corrupt court has threatened our hard-line victories and censorship -- cares for. a

america wants to see student that relief. america wants to see. america wants to see progress in this court has vowed to extremist minority, putting profits over people, and progress on the chopping block. it's a sad moment for america. it's a sad moment for democracy. but the most important thing is that the sad moment for young people. they'll be forced to shoulder the burden on government that does it reflect the country. and deserves to rise within. with the president talked about in his speech. he recognized 16 million borrowers submitted successfully applications for the program. they were told that relief was on the. way the through the heart of education, act the court's purpose to make -- interim move those blocks and impede access. the

president must do whatever needs power to ensure that borrowers rousey see relief. this means using the pan to actually act swiftly and ensure the borrowers see relief for any payment is made. >> michelle wisdom brought up an important point, the legitimacy of it, we saw earlier that the justice is chipping away at rights little by little. do you think they realize that they too are chipping away, not only in the public's confidence in. them but pulled legitimacy that the americans held in the decisions that were coming out of the supreme court. do they recognize that their legitimacy has been somewhat eroded? >> i think they. do they're extremely defensive about it. you've seen justice alito for example give this extraordinarily petulant speech complaining that people would dare call the impartiality of the court into question. i think you've seen justice roberts kind of try to steer

the court and alas overtly reactionary direction on at least some issues so that it doesn't seem like purely a tool of the right-wing. which in many ways it in fact is. they understand i think to some extent. but at the same time i think they also understand that it doesn't matter that they are unbound you. see this with them flouting at the ethics rules, flouting disclosure rules. because who's going to rain the man. part of the reason that they are becoming, they're following into greater and greater disrepute is because they are completely unaccountable. and even if they don't want to start calling them unaccountable they certainly want to maintain their impunity. >> catherine, how do you explain the significance of precedents to law school students and the broader american public. i actually want to folks on this affirmative action case. the supreme court justices have in

the past ruled in favor of affirmative action and i want to play this clip for you and our viewers, to get your thoughts on the back. and watch. >> it's a person ruse our legitimate factor in determining chances for placement in school. the court said. yes >> the federal leaders are interpreting the court decision as a general approval of such program. >> tonight the supreme court has spoken. they ruled affirmative action is here to stay. at least for now, at least in some form. >> the courts ruled by a 5 to 4 vote that achieve in student body diversity justifies use of race in admission. >> today the courts that colleges and universities may continue to use it in their admissions. >> the court also today gave a big boost to affirmative action and college admissions, it upheld the program at the university of texas at austin. and that affirmative action makes classes more diverse. and educational plus. >> i think that you, has won a court realizes a mistake, they want to move forward, but when you have decades, not just one, case but decades as we just showed there from the news clips. decades of precedent being set and then you just get

overturned like this. how damaging is that, how dangerous is that? >> it's a tremendous victory for those who are the opponents of the policies. you asked me at the beginning, how is it to be a law professor in this period. it's tough. it's tough to explain to our students that there's something virtuous and concrete about our constitution. that governs overtime and through periods of conservative and liberal majorities, in congress or elsewhere. it's tough to explain that to our students that they should believe in the law. as opposed to seeing the law is merely political. of course they change course on affirmative action this term, and abortion, and reproductive justice last. term and justice thomas has signaled that there's a much longer capitalist. as we go into the next term, over the next few years. what i will say, and you've been saying the courts chipping away at rights, i think another way to understand what they're doing is that they're doing something that we've never seen in constitutional jurisprudence

before, constitutional cases before. a steering writes, there are some rights which are top tier rights. free speech now, religious liberties, gun rights, and there are other rights that are second to rights, and when those rights come into conflict with the first year writes, they must yield. and that's exactly what justice gorsuch said in the three of three creative case. when free speech rights con into conflict with the equality rights not just of lgbt people but everybody, those equality rights must yield, we're seeing a strengthening of certain rights become almost absolute. i would say the rights of -- in the affirmative action context. and other rights that are based in history, contacts, like affirmative action. it's almost invisible to the court, they can't see. a >> very powerful description and i'm glad you actually framed it like that. this is tearing of. writes my final question to you, how harmful will the decision striking down affirmative action be not only in the meeting weeks, and months, but for years to come? how does this challenge or change the landscape of our society? >> this is gonna impact future generations. generations will be impacted by these decisions because a lot of the rights that we fought for are being rolled back. what's being told

to us and affirmative action cases that were good enough to go and serve in the military, but not good enough to get an education. what's being told to us and our student debt case, is that the data that we have has been disproportionate to the black community cannot be removed in the moment. when you do everything in our power to ensure that we're pushing the proper authorities to take action. the highest court in the land is overturned the affirmative action. they legalized discrimination against protective. laws and propelled millions of barrels towards poverty today. it's important for us to be prepared for the next attack. but also to be prepared for a ground strategy. we need states, we need colleges, universities, corporations to commit to diversity no matter. what we need to ensure that we're abiding by -- as quickly as possible. and communicating to the american people that the presidency is gonna do everything in their power to make sure people are protected.

>> i'm glad you brought up the point of the state levels, i don't think enough people pay attention to state racism, and what could happen at the state. level catherine wu is -- michele, stick around we'll talk to a bit later on in the show. after a quick break we'll discuss this new information that we're learning two and a half years later. about the extent of trump's efforts to overturn the 2020 election results. but first richard lui is here with the. headlines >> hey ayman, good evening. protests continue for a six-day in france after police shot and killed a teenager during a traffic stop police. arrested over 700 people overnight they've deployed 45,000 officers to control crowds so far. more than 60 million americans are under heat advisory across the country. triple digits -- has killed more than a dozen people. severe thunderstorms are expected in the south and parts of the northeast. and i least two people were killed, dozens injured in a mass shooting at a baltimore block party. police say two adults were killed in

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his legal jeopardy according to the washington post in late 2020, trump called that governor of arizona doug doocy and pressured him to overturn the states presidential election results. telling him that if enough fraudulent votes could be found, it could reverse his law. sound familiar? at the time trump rapidly act -- called doocy and brought him to find evidence to support his voter fraud loss. doocy didn't undertake the fantasies, not only did he not certify joe biden's win in arizona he sent trump to voice mail when the ex president called him in the middle of the states election certification. the post also reports the special counsel investigation is quote, barreling forward in multiple tracks with multiple people, -- on acts and fund raising pitches claiming that election fraud as well has plans for fake electors that would swing the election to trump. the post continues, a key area of interest at the conduct of a

handful of lawyers who sought to turn trump's defeat into victory. by trying to convince state, local, federal, and judicial authorities that joe biden's 2020 election when was illegitimate or tainted by fraud. one of those lawyers, rudy giuliani, sat down voluntarily with investigators this week to answer their questions. his team also -- brad raffensperger, who trump infamously called demanding that he find votes to over phone trump's loss in georgia. nbc news reports that five or six secret service agents just testified before the grand jury that will eventually decide whether to indict trump for his role in the capitol riots on january the sex. let's bring back, michelle goldberg, and joyce vance and thus the c legal analyst. joyce, i want to get your take on new reporting about trump calling governor ducey, we know how much legal damage the phone call in georgia has already done, and

what's happening there with fani willis. could this have the same legal impact in arizona, and if you were jack smith how would you be treating this revelation? >> right, i suspect that wall this is a revelation to us. it's not a revelation to jack smith. something we learned from the mar-a-lago indictment is that prosecutors tend to know a lot more than the general public does in large part due to their access to the grand jury and witness testimony. what we're learning about arizona i think is an surprising given what we know about georgia. one fact that has always stuck in my mind. is that the secretary of state in georgia took the extraordinary stab of taping his phone call with the president of the united states. and that suggests that he knew that there was some sort of pressure campaign going on. it's possible he could've learned that from colleagues in arizona, or he could know for other reasons. it's clear these offense are not limited to georgia, just how far they go we do not know. but having this

arizona evidence of trump's direct and personal efforts of intervention, will be important for the special counsel office as they try to evaluate the evidence and decide what charges if any to bring. >> michelle, mike pence was asked about this washington post report this morning on cbs. and he said that he called ducey -- but didn't pressure him to overturn the results. we know that pence has been reluctant to talk to investigators before. but is there any scenario where he would talk to jack smith about this? >> well yeah, we know that mike pence will speak to iran, jury that he subpoenaed. i also think as joyce, said this isn't surprising, we already know donald trump had made a phone call to doug doocy, we don't know exactly what was. said and now we have a better idea. but i think he inferred that reporting with brad raffensperger that he could surmise that he was making

similar requests -- lots of different people. the thing that so odd about mike pence is what sort of impact -- how he thinks he's threading the needle here. to kind of cover-up for donald trump or excuse donald trump even as he's running against donald trump and using his own standing up to trump about than you are a sex. it's inexplicable the strategy here. >> joyce, what do you make of the doj's push to investigate the fake electors plot. i mean jack smith was able to get to giuliani to sit down with them. do you think he'll have the same walk with witnesses like jenna alice and john eastman? >> yeah. a large part of that will depend on whether giuliani

is in fact cooperating with the government. or whether this is an effort by rudy giuliani to signal to donald trump that he needs to keep him close. and perhaps help with the financial trouble that he -- doesn't want to see giuliani cooperate. this is not the first time that giuliani has suggested that he has some insurance. and could perhaps be helpful for prosecutors. the proof is always in the pudding. not one of the enduring mysteries of the trump rush with justice, what the justice department in particular has been his ability to escape without having people cooperate, except for michael cohen. and it didn't turn out well for michael cohen he went to prison, trump was never prosecuted for the events that they appeared to have been coconspirators than. if you are a member that reference to individual number one in the cohen indictment, which was clearly trump. this is the reality prosecutors face two people believe that if they cooperate the justice department will innocence protect them, when they face lesser charges in exchange for cooperating against a bigger target. or will the former president continue to walk away from justice leaving people like michael cohen to hold the

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smear campaign. a couple weeks ago he started talking about a mysterious fbi tip sheet. that supposedly detailed a years old conversation with an anonymous source who claimed that joe biden may have accepted ribs from a ukrainian business executive. comer never provided any actual evidence to support that claim. that didn't stop him from talking endlessly about a. this week the oversight committees ranking member, jamie raskin made public the transcript of a 2019 interview with the founder ukrainian energy firm -- the man who republicans claim bribed joe biden. according to that transcript, -- no one from his firm quote, ever had contacts with vice president biden. let that sink down, folks, that same day james comer appeared on fox and was pressed to name a policy that president biden change after receiving money from foreign sources. >> make it easy for us. what was that crime? >> a crime was traded policy

for money. >> which policy? >> we're gonna get into that. >> wow. you know you have a problem when you've lost fox, folks. as we said on this, republicans aren't gonna let the facts or even lack of evidence get in their way of spreading conspiracy theories. after all, it's been the republican playbook for decades. as michael thomas kyi writes in the new york public, this is what they do, they told 50 lies about bill clinton. none of them have been proven. he made no money from whitewater. he did not protest the vietnam war in front of the kremlin. they lied about al gore. they never said he invented the internet. they lied about john kerry's military record. holy fabricated assertions about a man who went to the army recruiters office and demanded that he be sent to the front lines in vietnam. barack obama was -- with republicans claiming among other things that he was born in kenya. that he was a drug addict. that he was gay. that he was a communist muslim terrorist

sympathizer. and don't get me started on the live -- hillary clinton that would take the rest of the show for us to debunk those. back with me is joyce vance, joining the conversations ana marie cox, columnist and house of with friends like these podcast. great to have both of you with us. joyce, how thoroughly does this new interview transcript released by jimmy raskin undercut or refute all these crazy biden bribery allegations, elected by james comer over the years. and this isn't official testimony by any, means good oversight republicans must be running out of ideas on how to prove their allegations? >> it completely undercuts the narrative that they have failed to support for as long as lee been making at. the context here really matters. there is a trump appointed, u.s. attorney in delaware who was permitted to stay on to investigate hunter biden. and he said repeatedly, he's continued to say since the indictment that he had been down -- two indictments against hunter biden. that he had free range.

but he was permitted to investigate and charge anything that he wanted to. merrick garland has confirmed that. will these charges that are now being put forward by a house member, they're not charges that he chose to bring against hunter biden. or against joe biden when he could. have and what this tells us is that what's going on now among republicans in the congress. is purely political theater. the z aren't -- if they were they could've been brought by the parks acute and delaware. the fact that they haven't been broad and they've become the product of rumor. and innuendo and bad answers on television. tells you everything you need to know about the fact that there's no relief there. >> anne-marie, by republican standards these accusations about biden being beholden to ukrainian gas company executives. they feel pretty weak and bizarre. a lot of that

has to do. with as we saw there is no tangible -- they can point to and say, this is an example of a policy that was undertaken at the time that was not something that america wanted. or even european allies won it. >> you know what i think is interesting is there is not a policy that can point to on their side about anything. the reason they do the smear campaigns is because they don't have anything else. there are policy nihilists. they do smear campaigns, they spent time and energy get those out because they don't have policies that the american people support care about. and it's funny, i follow the right-wing media so i know all about the investigation. i know all about the fbi tape, i could probably name some of the names -- laptop. but most normal people don't. most normal people like your viewers are into this. and i'm glad they're into this. and we meet people that are into this. let's remember that most americans just care about the policies that affect their

lives. and the gop does not have good policies. they have bad ones. they have unpopular ones taking away women's right to abortion was an unpopular thing to do. no wonder they want to talk about -- the other thing i want to say about. this is historically, the mainstream media has treated the smear campaign as though there -- that's what happened with hillary clinton. the debate, it became an argument what do people think about hillary clinton. and that just gets into the bloodstream of america that people are talking about hillary clinton. and now people are talking about hunter biden. these are not things we can defeat. there is no there, there, these are distractions. i really think people would be perfectly happy if we talked about economic policy. >> you bring up an important point. let me ask you. we know it's their playbook, anne-marie, and my question is since you do

-- right wing media. if you've lost the fox grout and the fox viewers. do you still have momentum? the reason i asked that is i think back to kevin mccarthy, going on tv and saying that hillary clinton's poll numbers are high. and we watch the big jazzy committee. -- hours and months and look at the poll numbers and he posted about that as a political strategy and i'm thinking, that's what they're doing. now that's what this is about. they want to keep comparing joe -- to try to drive this poll numbers down. >> they forgot that actually like the large majority of americans are not political strategist themselves. they don't think of policy, or investigating issues a strategies to bring down the other side's numbers. they see people doing this. some people must assume that there's a. region or must be important. but it's not, this is all that they have. a can of the stress

them off that if democrats wanted to go this route, there's a lot on the republican side or they could be talking about. >> it's just that sometimes the democrats need to play dirtier than the way that republicans are. >> i have a thought about that. >> go ahead. >> i can't believe that they go so hard on hunter biden. because every time it comes up for biden he talks about how much he loves his son. it's a truth, then you just feel that reverberating out of them. i wonder how the trump family feels about a really good relationship between father and son being on the news all the time. >> joyce vance, thank. you stick around, we'll talk to you after the break. i had, why isn't joe biden getting the credit he deserves on the economy's improvement. on th economy's improvement. economy's improvement. so researchers can help life underwater flourish. ♪

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a new 40 year high last year. and many economists anticipated a recession this year. but so far good news. the recession has been avoided. and inflation has declined for 11 months straight. falling to 4% in may. unemployment down to. sitting at 3.7%. i -- let the economy in strong shape wise and president biden got a credit for this turnaround? back with me news ana marie cox and joining the -- senior economist at the paul >> -- in the least let me get your thoughts on this unemployment droplets than 4%. the recession is seemingly not on the horizon. it's still a possibility after with the inflation on decline. you call published report earlier this year that looked at how low wage workers have seen historically fast real rage growth between 2019 and 2022. and recently wrote a piece on

how young workers are overall entering a stronger labor market. can you tell us more about where things are in the labor market. and with inflation and are people genuinely feeling the effects there is just numbers to them right now? >> (inaudible) i am feeling the effects right. now i think when you look at all the different measures we are experiencing more broadly -- and the economy. we are seeing young workers have the lowest unemployment rate in 70 years women 25 to 54 years old or having the highest and employment rate that they've ever had on record. we see record low black employment rates, and low wage worker seeing unusual and tremendous wage growth. so job opportunities for lower wage workers and tremendous gains and their wages. >> anne-marie, the biden administration is trying to stimulate economic growth from the -- bottom up. that's his famous quote. what do you think about his speech and how biden's going to run on the economy 2024? that specific

part of his speech. how do you think this approach resonates with voters? >> i think it's gonna take some time perhaps for the way that we think about the economy to catch up with what the economy has. i think that biden can do, is going to have to just keep giving that message. i highly encourage him to have as many different surrogates as possible. giving that message. i also think that drawing attention to the fact that republicans voted for some of the stuff, that their states are benefiting from, at this isn't just bottom-up, middle out. that this is everyone. this is not just people in blue states, not just people and read, stage this is something the entire country is benefiting from. and that they need more of a. that's all we need. we need less we're tactics. we need less coverage of hunter biden. when we last

going personal and stuff. we need more cooperation on things like the superconductor bill that biden passed. this is a double down moment for him. >> elise, let's talk about the overall situation for americans who may not be sold on the current economic trajectory. we know it's a tough during. and maybe it's part of the media, media part of the biden administration not selling at wall. enough why do you think that we're seeing falling inflation and unemployment at the same time a lot of this continued discontent with the economy among average americans? what do you think the policy makers are missing here? >>, yeah it's absolutely a great question. you look at the data, you think things are, strong and when you look at the other data and you see people not necessarily feeling that. they're still feeling the effects of higher prices. as you, mentioned as of the latest data inflations now falling faster than -- decelerating. that means we'll see an increase and living situations,

we want that to continue to the future. i think that they deserve policy of raising interest rates against our own pause, we haven't yet seen the damage that's done. we know even a mild recession is gonna harm historically disadvantaged. people those people that are seeing record level unemployment. rights downwards, black workers, many of those are gonna be harm the most if a recession does come so i think that economic security is what people are feeling i. think we need to remember that the last couple of years we're seeing this tremendous stronghold. this strong labor market came from the daps a huge deficit. it's also come on the heels of 40 years a very slow, very slow economic games in the vast majority of people. many of them still have economic security carry over into today. >> -- in 2020, in every election cycle. but certainly this upcoming. one it will be front and center. what is the massive that president biden

needs to deliver on the economy going into 2020? or have we recovered from the pandemic. how does he simplify these numbers that elise was talking to to make people feel that progress is being made as opposed to reading about statistics and data? >> i think that the message you can get, we've come out of this great moment of national, maybe i shouldn't use that. word but we had some really tough times. we've come together, we've rebuilt and the people at the bottom rank are getting helped. the whole country is moving together i had. and all we need to do is keep moving together. if we can keep this going, we're gonna be back where we used to. bay and even better. i also think that he's been handed the student debt relief as you on a silver platter. that would be a wonderful thing

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