the country in shark bites this year. 16 across the united states, nine have been in florida through june the 8th. interestingly, new york has had one. last year, the empire state has eight reported shark bites. the most they had ever seen. before that, they had 12 total. so all up and down the east coast. >> sam brock, thank you very much. that's going to do it for us today. thank you for being here. see you back here, same time, same place. another two-hour edition of anna cabrera reports. until then, reporting from new york. andrea mitchell picks up our coverage right now. l picks up or coverage right now news that former president trump and vice president pence both pressured arizona governor to overturn his state's election results in 2020. according to the "washington post," pushback now from trump's

former vice president and current 2024 rival. >> i did check in with not only the governor, but other governors in states going through the legal process of reviewing their election results but there was no pressure. involved. >> also in baltimore, the search for suspects intensifying after a weekend mass shooting at a neighborhood street party killing two with dozens of more wounded. three critically. many of them teenagers. the mayor of baltimore reacting on "morning joe" ahead of his press conference this hour. >> we're not going to stop until we find those people and hold them accountable. we're not just going to stop there. we're going to find out who trafficked the gun, sold that gun and even if it's the manufacturer, everybody in the chain has to be held accountable. >> and millions and millions of americans are under extreme weather threats today including severe storm and hail warnings along the east coast. temperatures that could hit 120 degrees in the california

desert. and travelers still struggling with more than 1,000 flight delays already today. and good day, everyone. i'm andrea mitchell in washington where we are learning more about former president trump's push to stay in office. "the washington post" this weekend highlighting a phone call where mr. trump reportedly pressured arizona's governor to overturn joe biden's victory in the state. a republican donor telling the post, deucey described the pressure during a dinner this year and openly questioned why jack smith had not tried to interview him. on cbs sunday morning, pence denied having any role in trying to strong arm deucey to flip arizona for trump. >> were you being pressured by mr. trump to get those, to

influence doug ducey and did you talk about this with the special counsel? >> i don't remember any pressure. in the days of november and december, this was an orderly process. you'll remember there were more than 60 lawsuits under way, states were engaging in appropriate reviews. these contacts were no more than that. >> and that of course was margaret brennan on face the nation on cbs. i'm joined now by phil rucker and andrew weissman, former lead prosecutor for special counsel robert mueller's russia investigation and former fbi general counsel. so phil, first to you. want to begin by reading part of a statement the governor's spokesman gave to the post. he says in part, this is neither new nor is it news to anyone following the issue the last two years. the governor defended the results of arizona's 2020 election, certified the election, made it clear the certification provided a trigger backed by evidence to be brought

forward. phil, what else did your reporter uncover here? there's some pushback from the governor as you heard and sort of, but a nondenial denial from pence. >> my colleagues here at the post actually did report something that's new in that story, which is that the conversation that ducey and trump had after the 2020 election was much more detailed than known at the time and that trump did pressure him to overturn the results of the election. further more, they report that trump tried to pence to apply pressure to ducey. he had a relationship with a number of governors around the country including the arizona governor and according to my colleagues reporting, trump tried to get pence to apply additional pressure in his own conversations with ducey. pence says his conversation did

not involve that sort of pressure. rather, they just talked about the election generally, but this is new reporting, important reporting from my colleague. >> thanks for clarifying that. phil, andrew weissman, this new reporting comes as we wait to see whether the special counsel is going to bring indictments on january 6th. that and are you surprised that according to the governor, he had not heard until this year from jack smith? >> i am a little surprised by that. if it's true. that he has not been spoken to by anybody in the government because he does seem like an important witness. remember that we did hear the january 6 committee hearings from rusty bowers who was a senior in the legislature talking about how much he was pressured to essentially you know change the vote for donald

trump. so that according to the "washington post" report was sort of plan b because plan a was the pressure on governor ducey. that was an important person for jack smith and his investigators to be speaking to. it would be entirely consistent with what rusty bowers has testified to under oath. it would be consistent with what we know based on the tape recording of brad raffensperger in georgia. so to me, it all seems like a piece. but it's also worth noting that we don't know for sure that the government hasn't already spoken to him about this. >> it could have happened certainly when that dinner took place supposedly according to the reporting and right now. as the investigation by jack smith has certainly accelerated. what about the impact potentially on georgia with the fulton county d.a. has been in contact with leaders in the other states?

>> so i understand if i were in georgia even though i was focusing on just what happened in georgia, it would be important to tell the jury we weren't alone, this wasn't an isolated event. that this was part of a plan to have numerous states in so-called swing states to change their vote and to be pressured to do it. so i can understand why bonnie willis would be expanding to that extent. she wouldn't necessarily be expanding to the extent of jack smith, who's looking at a much broader array of issues. but i think what's happening in arizona is going to be relevant to her and to jack smith's investigation. >> and phil, from president trump once again defended his call to brad raffensperger in georgia during a campaign rally in south carolina on saturday. let me play part of that. >> right next door in georgia, the racist district attorney goes after me for a perfect phone call even more perfect

than the call i made to ukraine. even more perfect. >> that's a twofer. even more perfect than the call that got him impeached. president zelenskyy. you can't make this up. but let me ask you more seriously about his defense of that call. the perfect phone call. >> yeah. well, andrea, it's not really up to him to determine whether the call was perfect or not. there's a legal process in this country. willis is the prosecutor there are in georgia. there's a grand jury that's been assembled there to make a judgment about that phone call but even more importantly, the american people can decide whether they think that call was perfect because the full reporting and transcript of that phone call, which was made public first by my colleague at the post, amy gardner, two years ago, is out there for us all to see and i think it's plain to see when you look at that call that trump was seeking assistance from the secretary of

state in georgia and trying to find the additional votes necessary to overturn the election result there. he was of course unsuccessful in doing so. there was no evidence of any kind of widespread fraud in georgia or any other state but again, i'd invite your viewers to look at the call itself. >> just as a matter of fact and policy of our program, i want to make it clear. there's absolutely no evidence that willis, the d.a. in fulton county is quote racist at the former president said. so if we're going to play any of the sound, i want to fact check it in realtime as often as we can. thank you very much. andrew, and phil, if i don't see either of you, have a wonderful fourth. >> you, too. >> you, too. >> thanks. in baltimore today, a terrible mass shooting again at a block party sunday leaving at least two people dead. 28 people injured. three of these people were in critical condition over the weekend. we're going to get an update shortly from the mayor. most of the victims were teenagers. so far, police say they have no

suspects in custody as of this reporting. george soliz is in baltimore. the mayor called this attack a reckless, cowardly act. and there was more than one suspect and there's no information about these suspects. >> reporter: that's right, andrea. very strong words from baltimore city's mayor. we're expecting a press conference to begin any moment now where we're going to get an update from the mayor, the acting police commissioner. frankly, a lot of people in this community are very outraged. they say this is an annual block party that usually has a lot of police presence. they say that didn't happen that time. police say that will be a part of their investigation. really upsetting to people is the number of victims that were simply teenagers. the majority of people that attended this large gathering were teens. you have to two people killed. an 18-year-old woman and a 20-year-old man. we're hoping to learn more about them. we have reached out to their

families. they have asked for privacy at this time and right now, no word on suspects or a motive. police yesterday saying they believe there were at least two shooters after canvassing the area out there. we know they're going to be canvassing for video and witnesses. this part of baltimore, it is very generally difficult for people to open up so they are relying on the community to give them some information to help them solve this case because presumably, they know someone out there must know who the shooter or shooters are. this afternoon, we're expecting to hear more about those wounded. it is our understanding that they have been released after being shot, but as i mentioned, a lot of people in this community are outraged, andrea. >> understandably. george, thank you. i know you'll bring us any headlines. coming up next, travel troubles. extreme weather threatening travel plans. what you need to know when we're

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expected in land atlanta and up east coast. what are you seeing there and could weather hurt all holiday travelers? >> reporter: it could and that's why so many people are watching the weather up and down the east coast. there are some 34 million people now who are in the path of those storms so we're keeping our eyes on cities like atlanta, miami, charlotte, d.c. all of the airports there could be impacted by these storms. that's not good news because we've been dealing with a number of delays and cancellations throughout the holiday weekend. as things stand now, it's better than what we saw over the weekend. as of now, there are about 1100 delays and more than 90 flight cancellations but that number is up from what we saw earlier today. so already, those numbers are ticking higher and higher and as the storm rolls in, we could see

the numbers grow more. on the west coast, we're talking about heat and possibly record breaking heat. it's important for people to remember that not only is it uncomfortable or inconvenient, it could be dangerous especially if you combine it with the hot temperatures and dry climate. there are a number of cities in places like colorado, utah, new mexico that are actually rethinking the way they do their july 4th celebrations. instead of fireworks, they're opting for drone flights, setting it to music, something that could be less flammable and risky. >> michelle, so tell us where the storm system is about to hit next. i think looking out the window, it's coming this way. >> it is, it's going to be the east coast. had a rough night last night. we're going to keep it in place today. also tomorrow, we have a front that's lingering. this is what radar looks like now. not a lot going on but still heavier downpours in the plains. this is where the action is.

parts of the southeast. once we get the daytime heating going, that's when we're going to see the chance for storms and strong thunderstorms. we have some pockets where we're seeing heavier downpours. the reds, oranges, yellows. parts of the great lakes, ohio valley into the mid-atlantic and 34 million people are at risk today. winds gusting at over 60 miles per hour. looking at the chance for hail. a low tornado threat but it's not zero. especially along the o's coast from d.c., richmond, charlotte, we're looking at the likeliest chance for strong storms. in addition to that, we could see heavy downpours. like that sponge just being squeezed out on a summer day. over 3 inches in some spots. that's today. throughout tomorrow, this is july 4th. still 14 million people at risk. kind of the same scenario. winds gusting over 60 miles per hour. notice how this grows. we're looking at a big area here from minneapolis to sioux falls down to denver.

sell na, also the chance for really strong thunderstorms. that's the first part of the story. then we have the ongoing heat we've been talking about for days, weeks. 36 million people impacted. the southwest especially. we're going the feel like 115 in some spots. air temperatures will be 115 in some spots. portland, medford. the pacific northwest, that's going to take over. the southeast, parts of carolinas and parts of the southeast are really warm, too. it's going to feel warmer than it is because of the humidity. on july 4th, look at the green on the map. a lot of us will need the umbrella. a lot of the parades will be rained upon. the plains and northwest, the severe threat through the northern plains still really hot in the southwest. dangerously hot. you want to take, get indoors when you can. air-conditioning and soggy throughout the southeast into the carolinas up the mid-atlantic and the northeast. we're sort of pressing repeat on the weather. we're going to see these storms

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we are moving forward with another pathway to debt relief. we're starting the process. we started it friday and the first step is an open hearing that will be taking information and taking public comment and that's happening in july. >> that was education secretary, miguel cardona on inside with jen psaki that the fight for student loan forgiveness is not over. he's emphasizing president biden's plan to find an all terntive after the supreme court ruled on friday against the president's program to wipe out $400 billion in debt. it is one of two major supreme court rulings sending shock

waves through higher education. joining me now are senior nbc news white house correspondent, kelly o'donnell and donna edwards and michael baldwin. president of the brennan center for justice and author of super majority, how the supreme court divided america. kelly, the president's facing a very short timeline since the paused federal student loan payments. they come due in october. he's acknowledged his substitute is going to take longer than hoped for. may not cover as many people. but it's going to face similar legal challenges, right? >> i would expect there would be new legal challenges and if people wonder how does the president try to again if the supreme court says no under the first proposal, the reasoning is they have selected a new area of law. the higher education act to ground this authority. previously, it had been related to covid and the national emergency, which would have allowed the president, the biden

administration, the authority given that covid emergency to change the rules of returning people to their payments of student loans. now they're going to have this new pathway and that's why there's the public hearing that the secretary talked about. and it is a more traditional way of creating a new rule, new regulation under the law and so we don't yet know how many people it will affect. we don't know how much debt would be permitted to be forgiven under this process. expect some stage or group or individual to try to find standing or challenge it again in the court. they do fully expect repayment will again. that they can't move fast enough to put this forgiveness in over the next few days as you mentioned, the time for repayment is required. that was also in the case that was turned away by the supreme court that they must begin the repayment. so what the measure is doing is two things to try to ease that

process. they're creating a 12-month what they're calling an on ramp so as borrows begin to repay what they have owed, if they miss a payment, the department of education will not report them to credit agencies so they won't have penalties or harm to their credit score by virtue of having to get back into the business of repayment. another thing, they have lowered the cap on how much discretionary income can be used towards this debt. just 5% instead of 10%. of disposable income will now be the max for repaying that student loan. but bills are going to come due after three years where people didn't have to pay and they've been accustomed to not having to do that month by month. >> and it's a big political issue of course and legally. there are a lot of challenges. this was a decision that basically decided against executive authority. presidential authority. between the branches, among the

branches. so how can the president now persist and do this through another route? >> that is the risk for president biden and for the effort to help these students with their debt. the court last year and this year has reenforced brand-new doctrine where they said that a government agency cannot act. even if congress has passed a law that gives it effectively the authority to do it. if it's a quote major question. this is a big one. this is part of a very long-term drive that's clearly going to be happening not just this year but going forward to curve the power of regulatory agencies and government agencies in the economy. so they have a stronger standing because it's going through a different procedure, the administrate procedures of the government, but sooner than later, it's going to land in the laps of these very conservative justice who feel in power to say what kind of regulation that do and don't like. >> it's been said it won't get

to the high court until after the november election in 2024. maybe oral argument, but not decision making. so it would be at least some relief and of course, it's a big political factor for the youth vote. and we should point out that a lot of older people carry decades and decades of student loan. people well established in their careers. donna, another decision from the supreme court last week gutted affirmative action in college admissions. i want to play what former attorney general eric holder had to say about the decision this weekend. >> this nation continues to grapple with issues of race. and to say that race is not a negative factor for too many people in this nation is inconsistent with just what the facts are. affirmative action doesn't mean you get into a school simply because you're black. it means you're qualified and that one of the factors that's taken into consideration is that person's race. >> and that was on face the

nation. donna, california and michigan both banned affirmative action. california in 1986 and uc davis has been using adversity score to rank socioeconomic advantage for incoming medical students that might comply with the footnote by justice roberts saying there are other means. maybe it wasn't a footnote. maybe it was a final paragraph. president biden has called these scores the new standard for achieving adversity. but it doesn't seem to me that's really a substitute for all of the dimensions of affirmative action. >> well, i think it's not and i think that systems that are now trying to use these adversity kind of measures, socioeconomic factors are actually finding it still very challenging to diversify the racial construct of their colleges and universities. and look, diversity is a two-way street. it's not just about the ability

of black and latino students to be admitted and to achieve the status in college with a college education, but it's also about how the majority has to live in a more diverse world. i mean, really is a good thing for colleges and universities to be diverse. unfortunately, this supreme court has decided that on a number of areas, that it's effectively going roll back the entirety of the last half of the 20th century with these latest rulings. i think it's a gut punch to higher education to try to figure out different ways to achieve the kind of diverse campuses that are good for all students. >> and michael, the super majority, the conservatives, have seemed eager to break with precedent. look for cases. in the colorado website decision, they took a hypothetical case from a woman who had not yet created a website and accord to the new

republic's reporting over the weekend based on a potential gay customer, did not try to get service from her and is not gay. so are they just looking for opportunities? yeah. >> it was a hypothetical fact and hypothetical case. one of the basics of how courts rule as courts is standing. the idea that you have to have suffered an actual injury to be able to go to court with an actual dispute that needs to be resolved. also that you follow precedent. that's really the only way society can know what the law is supposed to be. first full term as the six votes approve when they overturned roe versus wade and struck down dozens and dozens of gun laws across the country. those knocked down tons of precedent then this affirmative action case knocked down 50 years of practice. not because society has changed.

not because the facts have changed. society has changed only becoming more diverse. a greater opportunity, but a greater challenge for the whole country. the law hasn't changed, the constitution hasn't changed. only who is on the court. that makes it look very political and it's already creating a significant political backlash. >> kelly o'donnell, donna edwards and michael, thanks to all of you and michael's book is super majority, the way the court has divided america. it's terrific. great read. written before all this happened. and flash point. some of the biggest israeli raids in two decades in a palestinian city in the west bank. what the violence could bring next. you're watching "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. watching "anl reports" on msnbc.

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but i've been a professor there for twenty years, so it's really a special moment to know that i had a family member who over a hundred years prior have walk these grounds. it's deeply uplifting. yes, it is. we're walking in their footsteps. the white house is closely watching a major escalation in attacks against a palestinian city in the west bank by israel. it's been a target of almost nightly raids in the last few days. one of the few places in the occupied west bank where israel says there are organized armed palestinian militants. something the palestinian authority denies. israel's military invaded around 1:00 a.m. with about 2,000 soldiers and drone strikes. the health ministry says at least eight people were killed and dozens injured.

the ministry of foreign afaying said that israel is committing war crimes adding quote the palestinian people have the right to defend themselves from israel's occupation and unrelenting aggression and protect their homes, lands and people. obviously there is disagreement on both sides. joining us now, richard haas, president of foreign relations and author of the bill of obligations. the best-selling book, the ten habits of good citizens. and ben rhodes. welcome to both of you. richard, richard, congratulations. you're now emeritus. you followed these crises for decades an decades. you were in madrid for the major breakthroughs decades ago under jim baker. what do you say about these attacks on jenin and israel's contention that there are armed militants? >> andrea, this is what happened

today. but this is a situation that was ripe to blow. there's been a real deterioration. there's no political process whatsoever. you have an erosion of authority on the palestinian side. the leadership doesn't control people on the street. this is not civilian resistance, if you will. this is armed groups on the palestinian side who are essentially militias, in some cases tied more to hamas and iran. while the israeli military is undertaking this operation, you also have military interaction between israelis and palestinians through settler movements. what we're seeing is a deterioration of the security situation across the board. quite honestly, i hate to be pessimistic here, i don't see any ingredients by which this situation improves. i don't see any dynamic that looks positive that could gain traction there. >> as you point out, it's been

escalating. we saw the hamas incursion by police which was a rare occurrence a couple months ago, maybe six weeks ago. ben, netanyahu is under pressure to launch a full-scale invasion. the settler incursion into occupied areas has been extraordinary. he's got the domestic problems of his attack on the judiciary that he just began retreating from under widespread -- really widespread protests before he finally stepped back from that. what do you see as the way to break the cycle? >> i'm afraid i share richard's pessimism. all the ingredients are here for continued deterioration. richard talked about the vacuum of any kind of palestinian political leadership at the moment. on the other side of the

occasion you have the most right-wing government in israeli history that is intent on expanding israeli settlements, intent on taking a much more punitive approach in the west bank, intent on militarizing responses to security concerns in the west bank. prime minister netanyahu has constantly looked over his right shoulder, far right shoulder if you will, as he's tried to chart his own way through political turmoil at home. his attack on the judiciary, whether that's his own legal challenges in israel as well. you have a dynamic here where the israeli government feels incentivized for a more aggressive approach in the west bank. the palestinian leadership doesn't have leadership offering its people any kind of hope. the united states has no policy of having a process of bringing the parties together. that means that any incident at any moment can flare up a new escalation. you have a situation like this which resembles more of what

we've seen in gaza in recent years now taking place in the west bank. i think the danger and the absence of anybody stepping in to fill this vacuum, this could continue to deteriorate. >> richard, i want to switch gears and talk about you. you're stepping down from running the council on foreign relations after two decades. a really thoughtful argue about what you thought about foreign diplomacy. you said america, how we project to the rest of the world, unreliability. talk about that. >> there are real threats out there or challenges. china, russia, terrorism, climate change. so i'm not downgrading those. historically we've been able to cope with most external threats. that was done against a backdrop of a degree of political unity,

continuity between the administration whether a republican to democratic or vice versa. now we've reached a depth of polarization we haven't seen in modern times. it's longer a presumes of continuity. our friends are concerned about whether they can rely on us. if they can't, they defer to powerful neighbors or take matters into their own hands. our foes see an opportunity. we're not setting an example. we tend not to think of what goes on inside our country, the quality of our democracy as a national security issue, but it's become one. it could get worse. again, i'm not predicting it. but the possibility is there. one of the things i did do, i spent three years as the u.s. envoy to northern ireland. we see what happens to societies where you have politically inspired domestic violence. normal life becomes impossible. we saw elements of that on

january 6th. yes, i worry about the quality of our democracy in and of itself and whether we'll be in a position to play a leadership role in the world that we've done for 75 years now. >> richard, our gratitude to you for everything you've done at the council, increasing the diversity of the educational programs. to be continue. these are conversations i know we'll be having with you and ben in the future. thanks to both of you very, very much. >> thank you. happy 4th to you both. >> you, too. the holiday headaches. extreme heat, severe weather causing travel trounls around the region ahead of the fourth of july holiday. that's coming up next. a continued "andrea mitchell reports," special holiday edition right here on msnbc. rep edition right here on msnbc. heartburn all day and all night. prilosec otc reduces excess acid for 24 hours, blocking heartburn before it starts. one pill a day. 24 hours. zero heartburn.

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