live both of those in one day. >> and for catherine and her children, as dismal and as dark as the events in that mall were, she refused to do anything but grow and be positive for herself and her family. >> because i don't want them to come out of this and hate or be angry about what happened. >> it would be easy to be angry. >> it would be very ez superintendent to be ang -- >> it would be very easy to be angry. i don't want them to see the bad part of it. i want them to come turn that bad situation into something positive. that's all for this edition of "dateline." i'm craig melvin. thank you for watching. it was a moment considered unimaginable in 21st century america. the u.s. supreme court eliminating the constitutional right to abortion, the bans were immediate, along with the horror stories of shuttered clinics and women denied medical care. >> i'll never forget a doctor

ripping off his gloves saying i can't help you anymore. >> a year later, abortion access is even worse. republicans remain focused on restricting laws that americans overwhelming reject. >> the body inside a mom's body is not her body. not her body. not her choice. >> the supreme court may have empowered the states to reshape abortion law. but reproductive rights remain a national issue that the biden/harris administration and congress must respond to. tonight, from dallas, this a state considered ground zero in the national fight over abortion rights, this is one year post-roe a reidout special. >> thank you for joining me on this special edition of "the reidout." my guest is vice president harris.

we wanted to bring around this table people whose lives and works were affected by the elimination of the right to an abortion. joining me are genesis sanchez, amanda zarosky, lead plaintiff in the lawsuit against the state of texas. shannon brewer, and dr. todd ivy, an ob-gyn in the state of texas. i want to thank all of you for being here but start with you, madame vice president. we know this is a big news cycle, lots going on, but we wanted to focus on this because this is a huge loss i think for so many people. and i appreciate you being here for this conversation. but i would love to know first how you felt, not only as the first woman vice president of the united states but also as a

former prosecutor, as a mom to two lovelies, as an auntie, as a woman, an american, to that moment that you knew roe was gone. >> joy, first of all, thank you for bringing us together for this incredible important conversation four days before we will recognize one year since the dobbs decision came down. i was that day when i heard that the highest court in our land took a constitutional right from the women of america, i was on my way from d.c. to illinois to do an event on maternal mortality with lauren underwood. because the irony of that moment couldn't be more clear in terms of the disconnect between those who are fighting to attack this right and deprive people of this privacy right and those who have

not been leaders on an issue like maternal mortality. in the litany of things i am, including a mom and other things, i'm also someone motivated to become a lawyer because of people like thorough good marshall, one of my inspirations was rbg. and the idea that the highest court in the land did that and rolled back rights was incredibly shocking. i knew it might happen. i called my husband, called doug immediately then because he was the only one i could just like let it out with. words not for television at this moment. but again, you know, the thing about our nation, i believe, one of the strengths of our nation is yes, we are a work in progress, and the progress we have been made, one of the

attributes has been about our collective fight for the expansion of rights. and this was such a stark restriction of rights that had been recognized. and i immediately knew when that decision came down what it would mean for real people almost immediately in our country, who, for the most part, many will suffer in silence and are alone and without resources of many types. and i was extremely sad for that reason as well, when that decision came down. angry. you know, and extremely sad about what it would mean for real people. >> you know, i know that this -- obviously there's the great inspiration of thoroughgood marshall and all the great jurists on the courts in the past. but i have seen an interview with your high school best

friend who talked about your other inspiration for becoming a lawyer. your best friend, when you were in high school, suffered incest in her home and ended up living with you and your mom. >> yeah. >> and your sister. >> yeah. >> because of it. i just -- you know, when you think about women who you were defending as a prosecutor, that they had been abused, in the state of texas and many other states who have, through trigger laws or who have affirmatively banned abortion. a woman in the position of your best friend, if they tried to obtain an abortion as a result of being pregnant in this state there is a bounty placed on them, a cash bounty on anyone who helped them, they could be committing a crime. any doctor who helped them could go to jail for life and lose their license and be fined. i wonder how you process that as a prosecutor?

>> you are correct. my best friend in high school, i learned that she was being molested by her step father. and i immediately said you have to come live with us. and i called my mother and i told her. my mother was like, of course, she has to come live with us. and she did, she came to live with us. and that was one of the reasons that i wanted to become a prosecutor. to protect people who have been the subject of such abuse and most of my career as a prosecutor was focused on crimes against women and children. crimes of violence. so one of the issues on the topic of the dobbs decision is, to your point, laws being proposed and passed that make no exception, joy, for rape and incest. and i'm going to be explicit about what that means. it means that so-called leaders are saying that after an

individual has experienced such a crime of violence, a violation to their body and surviving that, that these so-called leaders would say to that same person -- and the next decision you make about your body is not yours either. that's immoral. that's immoral. to take away her ability to decide what happens to her body next? and so, when i think about what is happening with these proponents of this approach, i think that if -- i think one attribute of true leadership is to have some sense of empathy and understanding. as opposed to judgment. when people have had those kinds

of experiences. and these are the things that are at play. and i do want to say, because i think it's very important to say, on this issue, one does not have to abandon their faith or deeply held beliefs, to agree that the government should not be telling her what to do with her body. >> yeah. >> and you know, sitting beside you is shannon brewer. and you know, when people talk about the end of roe they usually say the end of roe or they say dobbs. but the second half of that case is dobbs versus jackson women's health. i have a picture of jackson women's health. it was the pink house. it was the last abortion clinic in mississippi. not just in jackson, mississippi but in the state. it was your lawsuit against the state for eliminating access to abortion that winds up being this case, dobbs versus jackson,

mississippi that triggers the end of abortion rights. we're looking at this image that it is now a consignment shop. i drove bill it not long ago and i was shocked when someone told me it was the pink house. i wonder in that moment how you felt when dobbs was gone? >> i felt like we had gone back in time, actually. that's what i felt. and still to this day, that's what i feel. i feel we -- you know, we've let women down. we've -- we've set things back so far. and this is going to take forever to get it back, if that ever happens again. it won't be in our lifetime. that's how i feel at that time. i felt that all the fighting we had done was all in vain, at

that moment. you have all types of feelings when that took place. from staff, friends, you know, doctors, escorts, everybody who helped with movement. it was very emotional for everybody. >> yeah. >> when i think of you i think of dr. howard, in mississippi, who risked, you know, arrest providing abortions for women in mississippi back in the 1950s and '60s. you are an activist. you have moved to new mexico to continue to help women. >> i have. i moved to new mexico literally jackson closed in july. we opened in new mexico in august. we had already been preparing for it, because we knew what was about to come, so we had been trying to figure out how we were going to make sure women continue to have access during this time. and what we've been doing, we've been seeing women from all over. most of the women have been from

texas, and that was one of the main reasons we wanted to open there, help the texas women. mississippi also but they still had other states. so that's what we've been doing for the last year is getting clinics open. we're working in chicago trying to get a clinic open there. >> and texas is, you know, obviously ground zero for this fight. you're a part of that story, amanda, in the sense that you are suing the state. talk about why. >> it started out for me as education, and advocacy, because a lot of people, i think, didn't understand the sweeping impacts that these laws could and are having on real women, including myself. and so, it was a big part of just educating people and helping them understand what's truly happening. but now it's become much bigger than that. and what i hope now is to give a

voice to all of the other women that this is happening to, that it has happened to, that it will happen to. and i hope to give some courage to other women to take similar actions in their own states because we know this is happening all over the country and we need to fight back. so if i can provide a little courage for others, then that's what i'll do. >> when roe fell, did you imagine that -- you had a wanted pregnancy and you wound up needing the same procedure that would be an abortion because of a nonviable pregnancy. your health is forever changed because you could not get an abortion procedure? >> that's right. i did not understand, again, the sweeping impacts we're seeing now. i was pregnant after a year and a half of trying, and grueling fertility treatment. i was outraged on behalf of all

women in the country, including the baby girl that was inside of me at the time. but i didn't understand that not only had this right been taken away from us, which by the way, everyone should have access to, but we should have access to safe health care and i didn't realize these laws were also going to prevent women from being able to access health care. >> please, i -- >> that's the amazing thing is a lot of people didn't realize it until after this took place. you know, we've been fighting and talking to women forever. but people don't think their rights can be taken. so that's why nobody took it seriously even when they saw it on the news and in and out of the courts. nobody took it seriously until afterwards. and everybody was like there's no way that's possible. yeah. >> there's a quote from caret the -- caretta scott king, the

fights for civil rights must be fought and won with each generation. and the point if we are not vigilant we might see the rights go away so we must be vigilant every day. and this is so fundamentally about freedom. freedom. the freedom and the ability of an individual to make decisions about their own life and literally their own body. i think there's a piece of this also underlying it all is hey, trust women. trust them to know what is in their best interest. what are we saying that a bunch of people in the state capital, in washington d.c. are in a better position to make the decision for her than she is in terms of what is in her best interest? the best interest of her family? especially when we consider the

majority of women who receive abortion care are mothers. and when they're making their decision about what is in their best interest, it takes into account usually so many people beyond herself in deciding what is best. >> yeah. >> but it truly was the decision when it came down, to amanda's point, was really about the creation of a health care crisis in america. >> indeed. >> and because it is not only about abortion care. it is about access to reproductive care. access to doctors. access to og-gyns. the data shows us in a state like texas there's ob-gyns in half the counties in the state. >> you're getting an amen from the doctor. >> that's true. >> we're going to take a quick break and when we come back we'll ask our doctor about the state of health care in texas

without roe. and ask our representative from the young generation at the table who's growing up without the rights. so we'll have more when our reidout special continues. more reidout special continues.

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i'm back with the honorable kamala harris, vice president of the united states. and my panel, genesis sanchez, amanda zurowski, shannon brewer, and dr. todd ivy. before we went to break, dr. ivy, we were sort of beginning to chat about the consequences, and the vice president made an excellent point about when you eliminate abortion you sometimes eliminate doctors. >> and that is absolutely true. we're seeing many downstream effects from this. one is on education of physicians in the our state. what we see nationally is, in states that have restrictive abortion losses, there's been a 10% decrease in medical students

going to the field of obstret you cans and gynecology. from 2021 to 2022, in texas, after the passage of sb-8, there was a 19% decrease in ob-gyn applicants in our state. this is important as we are the second biggest state and asthma dam vice president pointed out we have 50% of our counties without ob-gyns. >> that's because people are afraid. >> people don't understand the law, my own friends don't understand what the texas law is. basically what the texas law says, you can make that decision if it's a life threatening situation, but if we don't agree with you, we're coming after you. >> here's the thing.

the doctor has been extraordinary in terms of the courage because this is requiring so much courage from doctors who believe that women should not be deprived of access to reproductive health care and the threats that so many have faced as a result of being outspoken. so i admire your courage to speak so openly and publically about it. but amanda and i were in tallahassee together and her story is like so many, going and needing emergency medical care and being denied because of the confusion. what we're seeing, so many physicians and health care providers are worried about what that does to access to all kinds of reproductive health care. in the top ten states with the worst maternal mortality, in the top ten states in the united states of america with the worst maternal mortality, those states

have bans in place. think about that when people say they care about women and children but yet you don't have and give them access to high quality and affordable care, including post paratum care, let's also talk about that and what that means again in terms of really conflicting signals and also hypocrisy at play. >> and genesis as a representative of gen z. >> i'm a millennial. >> very young millennial. i'm not going to age myself but at least i lived most of my life with full rights as an american, as a woman. for you, it's gone like that. >> i remember a year ago when i heard the news, i was working and i was in the heat of the moment, i was like, okay, that's bad. that's really bad. and a few hours later, i saw something online about how the

last clinic in texas shutdown and i started to cry because i had thought of all those young people who now no longer can go to that clinic because they need the full gamut and spectrum of reproductive health care. and i think to madame vice president's point this isn't just about abortion it's about the entire spectrum of care and young people are now afraid to seek that care because we know that bans also disproportionally impact black and latina women and they're the ones being prosecuted for accessing pills, helping their friends. they might experience domestic violence from their partner for seeking abortion care so we're seeing the negative ramifications. those are just some of the stories we're hearing. they don't emcompass what people are experiencing privately. >> i got all my health care at planned parenthood, i wasn't

going there for just abortions i was going for everything because i didn't have health insurance. you ran a clinic, providing care for women. >> yeah. women they have nowhere -- we were providing birth control, they have nowhere to get birth control. the reason we were doing it in jackson because they didn't have access. so i don't know what those women are going to do. that's the thing that aggravates me the most, they will take away so much but won't find an answer to -- you know, to provide basic needs for these women. and that's what's really detrimental to the women, actually, in mississippi and everywhere. >> you mentioned college. my god daughter is a senior, just graduated high school on her way to college. she called me, auntie, when the decision came down, do you know what's happening? my friends, whatever gender, are

starting to make decisions about where they will actually go to college depending on what's happening in that state. because of course if you look at it, the number is something like 23 million women of reproductive age live in states that have banned abortion. and what that is going to mean for those 23 million, for the myriad of health care issues that are at state as we have just been discussing. it's having a real impact on all types of decisions that people are able to make. >> if my children were -- if they were out -- they're out of college, but if they were choosing college i wouldn't let them choose a red state. can you talk about the consequences you're seeing dr. ivy. >> yes, we expect to see an increase in the mortality rates, the numbers aren't in yet.

the last information from texas was through 2019 and we saw that maternal mortality rate was just about stable. but now we're seeing delays in care, patients are sicker and -- before they can be intervened upon. it's gut wrenching to sit there and see a woman get so sick when you know that you could help her before that ever happens. we are seeing increased strains on families. families now have to travel, and, of course, women with fewer resources are disproportionately impacted by this. now they take time off work, have to get child care, travel to new mexico or another state, huge financial strain. >> can you also talk about -- joy, if you don't mind? >> no, please, absolutely. >> i'm hearing countless stories of women who are in the process

of miscarriage, intended to take pregnancy to term, in the process of miscarriage and are having to travel from places like texas to colorado, places like texas or florida to seattle to get care to address their miscarriage. and the stories i heard include women so afraid that during that plane trip she might actually miscarry, but she cannot get care in the place where she lives. think about what that means, in terms of the emotional trauma that is reinforced by all of these losses. she's already experiencing emotional trauma because of what is happening, and then requiring her to go through tsa, get on a plane with perfect strangers to seek help, if she can afford to actually travel. >> and it's dangerous. >> it's absolutely dangerous.

>> i have a story i walked into work one day, there was a patient who had a baby about six months before, had chronic kidney disease, and could not access contraception. she had ruptured membranes at 17 weeks. because the baby still had a heartbeat, we were unable to provide care until her condition becomes life threatening. >> and this is -- and i hope this is not triggering for you to have to talk about it. but they are real people, you are a real person that went through this kind of situation. >> yep. >> what does your doctor say to you in that moment? >> well, the situation you're describing is exactly what happened to me. the laws in texas were so new and there was so much confusion and nobody knew what they could or couldn't do. so it incited so much fear not just for me but my health care

team because they didn't know what they were allowed to do with their professional training. so you mentioned the emotional trauma. i couldn't leave the state. if i had, i probably would have died. so i had to just wait until i did become near death. it took three days, and the trauma of that waiting and being in terror and fear for those three days, not knowing what's going to happen while having just received this devastating news. it's cruel. it is inhumane. >> and the reality is the people making these decisions aren't doctors. >> they're a bunch of politicians in state capitals or in washington d.c. many of whom don't know how a woman's body works by the way. i might add. doctor? >> that is true. i tell the story, we were at one of our elected official's offices in d.c. and we were visiting, not discussing

abortion and the assistant brought this up to us and said y'all need to stay in your lane. you don't need to be in politics you're a medical expert, still to medicine. i politely handled it. however my knee jerk response was if you want to keep medicine out of politics, keep politics out of medicine. >> amen. >> doctor and amanda, thank you. >> thank you. >> we'll be praying that whatever you want in many life will come to you. keep up with us on the lawsuit. so much more ahead with vice president kamala harris and our wonderful guests. stay right there. ful guests stay right there hey, dad. i got an a on my book report. -and i scored a goal on ashley. -that's cool. and i went for a walk in the woods and i didn't get a single flea or tick on me. you are just the best. it's probably because of that flea and tick medicine you've been ordering from chewy. we are very proud of you. you never stop surprising us, bailey. right? i'm great.

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i'm back with vice president kamala harris, genesis sanchez

and shannon brewer are still with me. joining the conversation is annie runo and rachel sweet. i want to start with you madame vice president because you were headed to north carolina. >> yes. >> which recently overrode the veto of the governor who attempted to stop an abortion ban. why north carolina and what are you hoping to achieve there? >> i'll be there for the one-year mark of the dobbs decision, which is this saturday, in four days, to again discuss and be right there at a ground zero. why this is an issue that all americans should care about, independent of the choices they would personally make for themselves. this is fundamentally about freedom. the right to make decisions about your own life and your own body. this is a foundational principal

for our country. we were founded on the notion that government, should at some point stay out of people's business. >> yep. >> to say it in an academic way. >> the legal. >> the legal matter, right. and when we think about this and connect this with so many other issues, i think we all have to stand up and say that, you know, we as a nation stand for the principle of freedom. if i may, i'll share with you another way to think of this. i've now, as vice president, met with over 100 world leaders, presidents, prime ministers, chancellors and kings. when we, as the united states of america, walk in those rooms, we walk in with the authority to talk about the importance of democracy. of individual rights. human rights. rule of law. and in that way we are a role

model. we've held ourselves out to be a role model. when you're a role model, everybody here at this table knows, people watch what you do to see if it matches up to what you say. people around the world are watching here. my greatest here is for women fighting for basic rights in various countries that their so-called leaders, autocrats and dictators will say you want to hold out the united states as an example. look what they're doing. you be quiet. this issue, in addition to affecting real people every day as we have discussed, also calls into play our commitment to a foundational concept, which is that of freedom. >> and you know, annie, we have a fundamental principle here that is also separation of church and state. we know for people who oppose abortion for a lot of them it is

a deep held had religious independence. >> yes. i'm an independent. i have zero interest in the partisan conflict about this issue and most americans are in the messy middle of trying to figure out where they stand morally, legally on this issue. the part of the problem is there's this conflation of the moral and legal. i consider myself morally pro-life in that i'm 48 years old, i have three children who are almost all grown and flown at this point. if i found out i was pregnant tomorrow that would be a huge upheaval in my life. i do not want to be pregnant. but if i did, i would not have an abortion because i have this

personal belief about the nature of life. but i also don't think that my personal moral religious convictions should be applied to everybody legally. that doesn't make any sense. i wouldn't want anybody else's religious beliefs to dictate the laws that dictate my choices about how i live my life. we shouldn't want anyone to want that. it's right in the first amendment. it's how strongly i feel about the fact that i would not choose to have an abortion and there are religious and moral rob porters for that. we can have the moral debate all day long, that's a different debate than whether it should be legal for people making the choice. >> rachel you dealt with this in kansas, kansas is a conservative state. the people there are very conservative. >> yes. >> and yet you led the right to fight to enshrine abortion in kansas and you're doing now the same in kentucky and other

states. it's a powerful, political issue even when people have a morale opposition. >> yes. the 2022 campaigns taught us we are more unified on this issue than divided. a lot of conservatives were saying this is about returning the issue to the states. we need to let the states decide. the states are starting to speak. when you give voters the opportunity to vote directly on this issue, they will vote to protect reproductive freedom every time. especially in states like kansas and kentucky, that doesn't mean just democratic voters that means republican voters, independent voters. i think it's really powerful just to see that whether -- it's a partisan issue in the halls of congress, in our state legislatures but in people's everyday lives it's not a partisan issue, it's a personal fundamental freedom issue, and

that's how we dealt with the issue in kansas. we had to talk to a lot of people that may not agree with us on everything. but when you get down to what should the government's role be in the decision, every state where this issue was at the forefront have said we need to keep the government out of our business and we need to protect the legal right no abortion. >> is it an issue? i wonder if if it's an issue. there's a presumption for latinas, people who are hispanic. it's a moral issue and they will not vote on it and it will not move and change. i think there are a lot of republicans who assume this is going to be helpful to them to ban abortions in states like texas. is that true? >> i don't think so. i think to rachel's point, we have seen that the majority of americans support abortion and the access to abortion. and so, that runs the gamut of people that includes immigrant women, it includes people in red

states, but because abortion bans target red states those are states where a lot of red lining happens where people don't have access to the votes in ways that other people do. so, you know, they may want to vote for a pro-abortion candidate but they don't have access to that. they can't. so i think it's more that, you know, i think there's a -- an idea that we are maybe more conservative or lean into the catholic ideals. but the reality is, just as rachel said, what we are living day-to-day is different from what we want politicians to do and how we want them to vote. i think that's why it's so important we need to keep politics off our bodies. >> hello, red state, mississippi. >> okay. i think she's right. i think we -- a big part of the problem is that number one we're not voting. you know, the -- a big portion that should be voting is not

voting and they are making it harder and harder, constantly passing different laws in each state to make it harder for certain people to vote, which are the people who are being affected by this the most. so we need to be fighting in these states for your voting rights. that's important. people didn't think that was important before and i think they're starting to realize it. as i speak to people now, they seem to realize that it starts on that state level and that's how it becomes so big. and you've got to tackle it while it's on that state level. >> yeah. >> you know, it's -- i couldn't agree with you more. and actually, if you do just a quick analysis of which states -- from which states are you saying attacks on the freedom to make decisions about your own body. the freedom to have access to the ballot box. the freedom to love and marry who you love and be open about that, you will see a significant

overlap. and i couldn't agree with you more what kansas and your leadership and the leadership of so many people showed us, when you remind people they have power through their vote to weigh in on this issue, they do it. from kansas to california. red states, blue states. we saw whenever it was on the ballots in the midterms, people voted in favor of the freedom of the american people to make decisions about their own body. i think that should give us the momentum that we need to know that we have to encourage people to use their vote. because ultimately, this is an issue that will be resolved by federal legislation. that codifies, which means puts into law, the protections of roe. but i also will remind people, let's not overlook local and state elections. because if you live in a state that has criminalized health

care providers and provides for jail time, pay attention to who your prosecutor is. pay attention to who your state legislator is. if your state is passing laws to either protect the right or attack the right, pay attention to who your attorney general is, who your governor is, but ultimately the united states congress can put pack in place what the united states supreme court took. the united states supreme court took a constitutional right. the united states congress has the power to put in place a protection of that individual privacy right that all americans should be entitled to. >> that's a perfect place for us to take a quick break. because when we come back i want to ask about the national landscape. what congress might do and what some judges might do. we're awaiting a ruling on whether or not we can have an effective national abortion ban or a legislative national

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i am back with vice president kamala harris and our wonderful panel. we want to talk what happens next? we are awaiting a ruling on the idea of whether mifepristone can be banned. there is a texas federal judge who has said it should be banned. what are the implications if that ban stands up to supreme court scrutiny? >> joy, the implications are profound. let's step back and understand essentially what this lawsuit is doing is attacking the ability of the fda to determine what is safe and healthy for the american people to use as has been prescribed by a doctor. now, contextually, the fda has been doing this 80-plus years. and their process it is medically reviewed, scientist, peer reviewed, and they take it

very seriously. when they make a decision something is safe and effective, it is because it is actually safe and effective. mifepristone, they made that decision about that medication 20 years ago and it has been proven to be safe and effective for its prescribed use for those 20 years. these folks who are politicians are now encouraging lawyers to encourage a judge, not a medical doctor, to decide and put in place their judgment over the judgment of the fda. i ask people, if you understand what this means, understand you ought to go and look in your medicine cabinet and look at the drugs that the medications you may have there, could be anything from insulin to what you need for blood pressure, chemotherapy drugs, are arguably up to attack. this is so wide sweeping and wide ranging in terms of the implications. and it is also another example of how we are in the midst of a

health care crisis where we are literally at a place where politicians are urging lawyers -- by the way, they form shopped in finding that judge -- are trying to replace the decisions of medical professionals about a medication that is prescribed and is safe and effective for its use. >> the implications are frightening. so we're fighting this at the moment state by state. it could soon be national. let's start with state by state, rachel. you are headed to ohio. >> yeah. >> how do we do this state by state? >> i'm really honored to be working with the team over at ohio reproductive freedom, please check out their website. as we were discussing before the break, abortion measures went five for five in 2022. if americans are given the issue, they will stand united and protect the right to abortion. the problem is our opposition

also knows that. and so instead of just attacking abortion rights, they are also waging war on direct democracy, on the initiative petition process, on the ability of states to even put this issue to a vote in 2023 and 2024. ohio is a really great example. in august, voters will have the opportunity to vote on issue one, which is a constitutional amendment that would make it so that all future ballot measures must pass with a 60% majority instead of a simple majority. and that was placed on the ballot specifically to make things harder for the reproductive freedom measure in november of 2023. it's a good reminder for all of us there's so much intersection with voting rights and we have to use every single tool to protect our rights. >> how do we have these conversations with people who have a moral objection? >> i think the key is really keeping it in that realm of the right to medical privacy, which is what roe was really about to

begin with. my daughter had a ruptured appendix a couple of months ago, had a surgery, had an abscess come back a couple weeks later, had a second surgery. and in that process, we were in the hospital room talking with her surgeon, talking with her doctors about the different choices they were going to make in her care. i can't even imagine the ludicrousness of having politicians in the room with us dictating what choices we could make about that, and that's not as consequential as a pregnancy and childbirth and all of that. keeping it in the realm of medical privacy -- >> keep it very simple. genesis, how do we make sure people understand the nexus between the right to vote and privacy? >> when you start to talk about here are all the things that could go away, here are all the things that are coming down, i think that motivates people to either vote or to mobilize in

their communities and something we know to be true, generations of people know, we know now, you cannot ban abortion. you can only ban safe abortion. >> that's right. >> people are still going to seek care, and that's only going to get more and more dangerous. >> absolutely. >> donate to their local abortion fund so we can fly texans to new mexico and get the care that they need. >> and you're going to keep fighting? >> we're just going to keep opening clinics. every time they close down -- >> open another one. >> but we've opened three in a year's time, and we're just determined that women are going to have access no matter what. >> amen. freedom is very hard to take away from people, vice president harris. it makes people focus. they're focused. >> yeah. >> how is the administration going to respond to this moment? >> right. well, on the mifepristone issue, for example, we are fighting in the courts. we're going to keep fighting, because we also know that the majority of folks who receive

this kind of care receive it through mifepristone. and so we are dealing with that. we are fighting on also the point that is a fundamental point, no one, regardless of their gender or condition, should be denied access to emergency health care. >> right. >> so in our previous panel, for example, we talked with amanda. no one should be denied that. we are fighting in the courts as it relates to that. also, we are fighting on the issue of patient privacy. this is absolutely about the private decisions that individuals should be able to make in consultation with their health care professional and not worry about that information becoming public or being used, for example, by law enforcement. >> right. >> one of the things we are doing is fighting against law enforcement having access to this information for the sake of criminalizing someone who just essentially wants health care. but i'll say, joy, the bottom line is this. we have got to understand the connection between this issue in elections. elections matter.

we've seen that in the work that has been done in the various states. we need a united states congress who understands and appreciates the exact point made at this table. it is the individual right, the privacy right, of people to make this decision. not having their government make this decision for them. >> yeah. >> and, let me tell you something, our president, joe biden, when that legislation gets passed to codify and put in place the protections of roe v. wade, joe biden will sign it. >> all right. >> let's make sure everybody that you know is registered to vote, like you were talking about. let's make sure that people understand the power of their voice on this, because we've seen how it has an impact. and so much of this discussion that you brought us together for is about really fully appreciating that this is not some conceptual issue. >> that's right. >> it's about real people every day who, for the most part, are

silently suffering. and we as a society that should care, should care enough to vote. >> amen. and while i want to say on that vote -- amen, even though it is not sunday -- >> tell your neighbor. >> tell your neighbor, amen. i want to thank the honorable kamala harris for making the time, vice president of this whole united states, who came and sat with our incredible guests for this very enlightening discussion. that is tonight's "reidout" from dallas, texas. thank you for tuning in. good morning and welcome to "morning joe." it is tuesday, july 4th. happy independence day. we're on tape this hour. we have plenty of great conversations and interviews that we hope you will enjoy. let's dive right in. a country with a high rate of gun ownersh