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and right now on "andrea mitchell reports," mass shootings striking several communities from louisiana and texas to philadelphia, boston and our nation's capitol. >> sounded like fireworks. i came outside to investigate. i saw the gunman firing in front of the school. >> president biden preparing to head to south carolina.
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the democrats first primary state to talk bidenomics and american manufacturing on an official trip the white house says is not about politics. democratic congressman jim clyburn joining me with a preview, just as the secret service is investigating that extraordinary discovery of confirmed cocaine in the west wing. and israel is calling the deadly two-day raid inside of palestinian refugee camp in the occupied west bank a success. but hamas says a rare terror attack in tel aviv that is claiming responsibility for is just the start of its response. i'll speak with the spokesperson for the israel embassy here coming up. good day, everyone. i'm andrea mitchell in washington for a special two-hour edition of "andrea mitchell reports" today. the july 4th holiday marking
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another day of deadly mass shootings across our country. five people were shot in boston with nonlife threatening injuries. in shreveport, louisiana, three people were killed and six others were injured last night. and here in the nation's capitol, two separate mass shootings left four people dead and 12 others injured. just after midnight this morning in salisbury, maryland, seven people were shot including a 14-year-old who was fatally wounded. in fort worth, texas, authorities say three people were killed and eight others injured monday night. and in philadelphia, the suspect arrested in the fatal shooting of five people made his first appearance in court this morning. joining us now are nbc's george solis in philadelphia, and jim cavanaugh retired special agent in charge of hostage negotiator for the atf and msnbc contributor. george solis, what have we learned from this morning's arraignment if anything about the suspect? we knew very little about him, except he was armed and wearing battle gear. >> reporter: that's right.
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good morning, andrea. the suspect appearing in court via closed-circuit television. kimbrady carriker along with a mug shot. we didn't know a whole lot about the suspect other than what police had said. this individual was wearing a ski mask, with a tactical vest, had an ar-style rifle, handgun and seemingly targeted people at random in this southwest philadelphia neighborhood, killing five. that is part of the charges this suspect faces. 11 total offenses with multiple counts in each, everything ranging from the murder charges to aggravated assault to carrying weapons without a permit. during the hearing, the judge asking questions to see if the suspect understood. all we heard was yes and no. not much was said beyond that. a public defender was appointed to represent the individual. as far as the victims, police have identified all five of them. we know two toddlers among the injured here, andrea. one of them receiving a gunshot
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wound to the leg. the other, sustaining eye injuries as a result of shattered glass, a 30-year-old woman also injured from the shooting and we're also trying to verify reports that a 10-year-old now was also injured. unclear if by gunshot or from any other type of residuals from the gunfire. the community, of course, upset, outraged. many of them reacting. we heard from the 15-year-old victim's mother who is just outraged by the violence that claimed the life of her son. and this is just the story we have been hearing today. the district attorney and the mayor expected to hold press conferences to address the rampant gun violence this shooting and gun violence overall as we have seen this holiday weekend. andrea? >> do we know anything about a motive? do we have any connection to this neighborhood? excuse me. >> reporter: we're starting to get a better picture of where this suspect resided. it appears the suspect did live in this neighborhood. we're going to have to learn a
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little bit more, dig a little bit more through the social media to see if there were any clues or indications. authorities yesterday saying this attack did appear to be premeditated, considering the police scan, the tactical gear and the weapons used but still no motive. they'll be asking anyone with information to come forward, to provide some context as to why this shooting may have occurred. andrea? >> thank you so much, george solis. and jim cavanaugh, the fifth victim was found inside of their own home, hours after the other victims were found. how can authorities zoom in on this first victim and get a better understanding of what happened here? >> right, andrea. they got to find a relation to the mass killer to the first victim. that's probably going to be a lot of information for them. that killing was inside. all the other killings were outsued and the other woundings were outside. we have a guy who is dressed for mass murder. he has the whole gear on.
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he's got the bulletproof vest, the ski mask, police scanner strapped on, the -- the ar-15 rifle and 9 millimeter side arm. he's dressing for his mass murder event. he goes and kills this person in a house first. so, it may seem like there is some connection there to him in the first murder. but then he planned on doing this spree of it all, going out and shooting everybody, walking down the street, shooting a woman driving a car, shooting toddlers, just, totally sick crime, no real motive that we can ever understand, mentally, will probably come down to something like revenge against the community because he was choking on some empty grudge, he felt he was done wrong by somebody so this was his answer. he didn't kill himself, and that's, you know, one of the interesting facts. about half the killers do kill themselves or the police kill
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them. he surrendered. what was his plan? was his plan to really escape in the end? probably didn't have a plan past the mass killing. so, you know, the facts, they're going to be a prosecution on this case of capital murder and we want to find out what happened before. so hopefully law enforcement can stop another guy that wants to do the same thing. >> it just -- what we can't seem to deal with is the rash of these killings. look at all the places around the country that i mentioned in the opening of our program today. it is all over the country. and this is the first anniversary of what happened in illinois at the july 4th parade and people there. it is just an epidemic of mass shootings. well, we flooded the country with hundreds of millions of guns and hundreds of millions of military style guns. unlimited amounts of ammunition. a lot of the mass killers, you
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know, don't own the weapon and the ammunition for long, long periods of time. they don't own it for ten years. they're not really shooters and sportsmen and gun enthusiasts. they're people who decide they want to commit a mass killing so they go to the gun store, they buy the gun, they buy a crate of ammunition, they put on their bandaleros and vests and go out and take revenge or hate on who they want to get back at. so, the legislatures have got to help the country here. we're -- i'm at the beach. the news is all about shark attacks and nobody is dying from shark attacks in america this week. nobody. and you couldn't put the numbers of shootings, mass shootings versus shark attacks, i mean, mass shootings would dwarve the deaths from shark attacks. >> yeah. and it is not just the state legislatures because you got the supreme court and now the supreme court on its last day of the term, jim, took a gun case,
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another gun case, a long-standing law that says that people who have been found guilty of domestic assault cannot own guns, cannot own firearms and they have taken that case, an appeal for the next session, the next term. so there is the possibility -- >> exactly. the possibility of that actually weakening the law in the next year or so. >> let's hope they don't overturn that. i enforced that law. it kept a lot of women safe and we charged many people in atf with that, it was a federal law. i would hope the justices don't change that law. that has saved the lives of many women in america. it is a good law. it shouldn't be changed. but unfortunately we put people that don't look at those factors correctly. so we loosened the gun laws in
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america in the last 40 years. we loosened them and this is what we have. they used to be more strict. they didn't take away your second amendment rights, but we can't turn the second amendment into a suicide pact. it is not going to work. >> it is not good for law enforcement either and they're speaking out. george solis, thank you so much in philadelphia. and jim cavanaugh, thanks to you as always. and turning to some breaking news. we had just learned that a formal lab has confirmed the suspicion that that white powdery substance found in the west wing on sunday was in fact positive for cocaine. the discovery led it a brief evacuation of the white house sunday night. joining us now is nbc white house correspondent mike memoli. mike, where do things stand now? this is so unusual. you and i have covered the white house for years. i can't even fathom anything like this having been found before in the west wing and i go back to the '70s at the white house. this is pretty wild.
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>> reporter: absolutely extraordinary, andrea. this new conclusive test confirms what had been the preliminary field test conducted by d.c. fire personnel who were called in on sunday night after the discovery of this suspicious substance by a uniformed officer in the secret service that was conducting a routine patrol of the white house. so, to recap on the developments from -- that we have been reporting from yesterday, this was found, we understand, in a highly trafficked common area of the west wing, it is an area where individuals, especially visitors, individuals who may be coming for, for instance, a private tour, might have been asked to leave some of their personal belongings before heading into more sensitive areas of the west wing, which, of course, includes the president's office, the vice president's office, some of the most senior officials, the press team and a number of deputies. so, this is an extraordinary discovery here. what we also understand is that the secret service is leading
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this investigation into how this substance came into the west wing in the first place. this is something that will include the review of security footage, as well as visitor logs. the big question is for how long had this item, which was described as a small dime-sized bag, been in this location? given the regularity, the rigorousness of these reviews, it could have been something that was found rather quickly, which would significantly narrow the universe of individuals who may have been able to bring this in. this happened on sunday night. this was a weekend in which the president, the first lady and his son hunter and his family were at camp david, not in the white house. so the number of staff in the building would have been significantly reduced. but it was a holiday weekend when many staff may have had friends and family coming to visit and may have wanted to give them tours. the real question is how long this item had been there and that will help to determine what kind of investigation into the individual who brought it into the west wing and how quickly that might be resolved. >> mike, first, two questions,
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everybody who goes through magnetometers, this would not have been picked up by the magnetometers, number one. i don't know if somebody's pocket or bag. and secondly, if you can say this, you may not be able to, was this in the reception area, immediately where there is a receptionist and people sit and wait for their appointments inside the west wing proper? >> reporter: the way it is described to us, that is likely where this happened. a common space, highly trafficked individual space where people are coming and going and you are asked at times to leave things like a cell phone device, other items in your pockets behind before you travel into whatever is the official business or the tourist business that is bringing you into this location. depending which entrance these individuals came into, yes there are certainly magmagnetometers, which are looking for metallic objects, things that might trigger as a weapon that wouldn't necessarily pick up controlled substance like this, an illegal substance, which was
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discovered and proven here. >> mike memoli, thank you very much. and meanwhile, in south carolina, the south carolina swing is tomorrow. president biden heading to what could be a key state for him in 2024. we'll get details from congressman james clyburn, the co-chair of the biden 2024 campaign, when he joins us in 60 seconds. you're watching "andrea mitchell reports." don't go away. we'll be right back on msnbc. rt. don't go away. we'll be right back on msnbc i won't let me moderate to severe plaque psoriasis symptoms define me... emerge as you.
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>> well, thank you very much for having me. >> well, first, i want to ask you about what you see coming up, you've got two presidential candidates on the republican side from your state, the president is heading down there. we all know he wouldn't have won the nomination arguably without you and without south carolina. it was pivotal to his victory. and south carolina is the first democratic primary. so, the democratic national committee has gone ahead with what you have long wanted is to have a more diverse population in the first primary. but tell me about the president's disapproval ratings and how you counteract that. he's not getting credit for his economic achievements. >> no, he's not. and a lot of it has to do with the fact that people are in a pretty solemn mood. i have been just studying politics pretty much all of my life. and i had been really taking a hard look at where we are today,
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in the scheme of things, and comparing it to where this country was in 1876 when the vision and the country was at stake then as it is now. i've been saying for a long time, those people who put together the january 6th events, i think about how the election was thrown into the house of representatives and rutherford b. hayes became president of the united states by one vote, i think this is what they were trying to do on january 6th, and i think that a lot of what is going on affects the public in such a way that they don't have the trust that they used to have for our institutions and for our political leaders. when you look at this president's record, his
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bipartisan record, the bills he passed, how many times we heard infrastructure week, infrastructure month, infrastructure year, and we never got an infrastructure bill from the previous president. this president comes in, without fanfare, he puts up an infrastructure bill, gets it passed in a bipartisan way and this came after the rescue plan that was also passed without a single republican vote, but it did what we needed for the country to be -- get back on its feet, and now we see these infrastructure projects going up all over the place. and that's what the president is going to be doing here when he comes tomorrow. highlighting the infrastructure bills that put the $6 million and we have one of my colleagues down there who did not vote for the bill trying to take credit for it.
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he'll be highlighting the stations being built here in south carolina, in the congressional district of another one of my colleagues who did not vote for it. and he's going to be highlighting the broadband initiative we had and my colleagues did not vote for that. and we're going to build out south carolina 100% within the next three to five years and this is what the republican governor of south carolina says we are going to be able to do able to do with the $400 million in the rescue plan, $551 million from the infrastructure bill and we're going to have broadband in every residence and every business in south carolina. this president said at the time that he was going to be president of everybody. all the people. irrespective of who voted for and south carolina did not deliver this electoral votes to joe biden, but he's delivering for every south carolinian in a
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big way. >> let me ask you about a couple of things that could affect the youth vote and support from black voters which has been declining. of course, no progress on the voting rights legislation and some of the other things, the george lewis bill. but the supreme court has rolled back affirmative action. and the student debt loan relief plan, both gutted. and going to try to come up with a plan from the education department, but it is going to take a long time, may not cover as many people and this could affect -- could work both ways, could inspire people to come out and could suppress the youth vote. frustration. >> we're all frustrated about that. as you know, i put up legislation to forgive up to $50,000 per student and that has been around for a long time. we have been working very hard -- still working for it.
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what the supreme court said was the president did not have the authority to do what he did. said he overreached in doing what he did. that doesn't mean the congress and the house and the senate can't continue our work to do what is necessary legislatively to get this done. let us remember, the president ordered a re-evaluation of those reductions that took place sometime ago and thousands of people got their debt reduced before we got to this part of the bill. nobody is talking about that. everybody is talking about the fact that he can't do this part, which was, like, $10,000 for people for a student if you are getting the pell grants and, but, nobody is focused on the fact that last year the --
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forgive millions, and billions of student loan debt and now we got a lot of people in my congressional district and all over the country that tell me that they got their debts relieved before we got to this section. why don't we talk about that? that's why people are silent. they keep talking about what didn't get done, rather than talking about what did get done. i think there is a big record that this president is going to be proud of the things he did get done. and we're still work on the rest. >> does he need to do a better job of communicaing and does the white house have to do a better job? >> i think all us need to do a better job and stop the negative ty and eliminate the negatives and accentuate the positives. i learned that way back from song i heard growing up eliminate the negative ties and accentuate the positives and we'll be better off. >> there was a song with that
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lyric as well. congressman jim clyburn, great to see you. thank you very much. >> thank you very much. up next, up close look at some of the worst fighting in the west bank in 20 years. >> back, back, back. >> nbc's matt bradley getting caught right next to a fire fight between israeli forces and palestinians in jenin. the latest from the occupied west bank next. you're watching "andrea mitchell reports." this is msnbc. u're watching "anl reports. this is msnbc. and she's got th, so she gets exactly what she wants and only pays for what she needs. she picks her perks and saves on every one. make your move to myplan. act now and get it for $25 when you bring your phones. it's your verizon. needles. essential for sewing bear-bear, but maybe not for people with rheumatoid arthritis. because there are options. like an “unjection™.” xeljanz. a pill, not an injection. xeljanz is for adults with moderate
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israeli military says it withdrew its troops from the jenin refugee camp in the occupied west bank. at least 12 palestinians and one israeli soldier were killed after israel used thousands of troops and armed drones, saying it was aiming to destroy militant infrastructure and weapons. hours after the withdraw began from the west bank, the israeli military says it struck an underground weapons manufacturing facility in the gaza strip. the military says the strike came after militants in gaza fired several rockets into israel. those rockets were intercepted. nbc's matt bradley is joining us from the occupied west bank. what is the situation right now? i assume it is a far cry from where things stood 24 hours ago when you were right in the middle of the action. >> reporter: yeah, that's right, andrea.
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what i can tell you about what we saw in jenin, inside that refugee camp, which we were walking around in today, is palestinians quite literally picking up the pieces, repairing windows, picking up trash, sweeping the streets, everything is covered in ash from the fires that were burning. buildings were destroyed by the missile strikes launched against this refugee camp, which is home to thousands and thousands of people. so we're really seeing something like a tenuous return to normality. but whatever that is. it is not really going to be normal ever again, for the next couple of days. we saw funerals for those -- some of those 12 palestinians at least five of them were actually militants who were killed in those fire fights, in the missile strikes launched against jenin. and this was a different kind of atmosphere. this was almost -- morning but almost celebratory, palestinians were felt as though they had achieved some kind of victory against the israelis. in the end of the day, they did
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withdraw. we heard from benjamin netanyahu last night, before the israelis pulled out, he basically said mission accomplished but left open the possibility there could be further incursions into jenin or other hot zones in the west bank, looking for militants who the israeli army has yet to snuff out. you mentioned the israelis are still talking about what they found in jenin, they found improvised explosive devices, small arms and ammunition, all of those things they believe are part of terrorist cells that operate both in the west bank and make attacks in israel proper. you mentioned that fire fight we found ourselves in last night. we were doing interviews on the fringes of the jenin refugee camp. and all of a sudden tear gas was fired right next to where we were doing our interviews. and the israelis moved in with armored trucks and bulldozers they have been using to great effect over the last two days. they were taking fire from the
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palestinians and we kind of got pinned down for quite a while, waiting for that fire fight to end so we could move on. it was a blistering battle and all of this came right before the israelis said they were finally fully pulling out of jenin. after that, we saw there were some strikes from gaza, and all of this shows there is a potential that this could expand further. andrea? >> matt bradley, thanks so much to you and please stay safe in the west bank. joining us now is elad strohmeyer. thank you very much for being with us. >> thank you for having me, andrea. >> and you've been here for a number of years and you're a veteran foreign service official. we have not seen anything like this in decades, not since the second intefadeh nearly two decades ago. i know that israel says they found a lot of weapons. but when the prime minister says
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that this is not a one-time event, are we going to see more israeli incursions into the occupied palestinian areas of this scale? >> i think we need to understand the situation that happened in jenin. not just in the recent days, but in the recent year at least. and i'll start going back to april 7, just this year, a terrorist attack in the center of tel aviv, killing three israelis, just going to restaurants and nightclubs in a busy street in center tel aviv and the terrorists conducting this attack came out of jenin. this is one example of 50 terrorist attacks in the past year that came out of jenin and jenin has become in the past year in recent times a terrorist stronghold funded by iran and we see an adequate governor, he's doing nothing to stop the terrorists. this is why we had to launch this counterterrorist activity to protect israeli civilians. >> the u.n. and others spoke of
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this as being war crimes. and we see an escalation already. a terror attack the other day in tel aviv. suspect drove into a -- >> drove over several israelis, yes. >> that was a reaction of -- a responsibility was claimed by hamas around that, of course. there is an escalation here. and what do you see coming out of this? and there is no -- there are no negotiations at all going on. >> i think that -- >> palestinians have said there they're suspending in he security agreements. >> israel doesn't want to go and enter jenin in order to do these counterterrorism activity. we want the palestinians to take the responsibility that they need to take in order to prevent that. but because they're not doing so, we don't have a choice and we have to take that. you saw the report, we found explosives, we found weapons, we know in the buildings that we
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entered into -- in this activity, this counterterrorist activity, there was centers of command, safe haven for terrorists, and all these things happen and original in jenin and we don't have a choice. the best way to prevent that is to have pressure, from the international community, from the united states, on the palestinian leadership, to do what they need to do and fight terrorism in jenin, in the west bank, in nabalus. this is the problem. you mentioned war crimes. i think the real war crimes here are conducted by the terrorists, hamas and all the other terrorist cells because when we're operating right now in jenin, we saw they operate from underneath a mosque, next to a school, next to medical centers. so they operate from within civilian populations, they jeopardize the lives of innocent civilians, this is the definition of a war crime. we need to put pressure on the palestinian authority to stop with the incitement and operate
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against the terrorists. >> we know there is a weakness on the palestinian authority and this has been going on for decades. there is also a -- shall we say, a very, very tough posture by this government. you can't talk about israeli politics. but this government is more right wing than any in our memory and put enormous pressure on the prime minister who has his own pressures. there are disagreements with the president. there is a lot going on in israeli politics. i won't get into that. that -- at this stage, isn't there something that should be done? if you want international support, don't you need to be more careful about not having drone attacks on civilian areas? >> so -- >> your intelligence is supposed to be superb, the best in the world. >> so what we saw in this operation right now, that this activity right now is actually a
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very precise, accurate activity. this is why you were mentioning the numbers of fatalities on the palestinian side. most of them, to our knowledge, were militants. very few civilian casualties. we saw the dimension of the instruction. it is because the terrorists have put around improvised devices underneath the roads to jeopardize and kill israeli soldiers. we bomb those roads to save israeli lives. if you look at the outcome, it was very, very accurate with intelligence, an example that we targeted militants whether we saw them coming out for an attack. and i will add one more thing about politics, i know i'm career diplomat, but here what we see in israel is an agreement on the approach to jenin and we start thinking of support from the head of opposition and from former defense minister both of them on the opposition right now to the current government, everybody is in agreement that
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we have a situation over there that cannot continue, and the best way forward is to work -- it is our interest, by the way to have a strong palestinian authority. our interest by all means, we don't want to see a weak palestinian authority. >> you're not going to have a strong palestinian authority. the most expansion -- the biggest expansion of settlements these years now, these last months. no way there could be a two-state solution. >> i don't see a connection between settlements and the strength of the palestinian authority. the strength of the palestinian authority is stopping incitement, having effective control over its territories, it is fighting terrorism, it is continuing the security cooperation with israel. and this is the things that the international community needs to put pressure on. if there are disagreements on policies, that's legitimate. and there can be disagreements on policies between israel, the international community. but when it comes to fighting terrorism and what we saw more than 50 terrorist attacks originated from jenin in the
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past year, more than 20 israelis were killed in the terrorist attacks, that should not be politicized by anyone and we should all fight terrorism and then have the disagreements about policy which we're willing to have and have a conversation on a separate time. >> elad, thank you very much. thank you for your point of view. >> thank you. and spokesperson -- excuse me, still ahead, breaking new details about the january 6th rioter who was arrested last week outside of the d.c. home of former president obama. you're watching "andrea mitchell reports." bama you're watching "andrea mitchell ports. one prilosec otc each morning blocks heartburn all day and all night. prilosec otc reduces excess acid for 24 hours, blocking heartburn before it starts. one pill a day. 24 hours. zero heartburn. as americans, there's one thing we can all agree on. the promise of our constitution and the hope that liberty and justice is for all people. but here's the truth.
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and we have breaking news out of washington where we're learning new details about the january 6th rioter who was arrested outside from president obama's home last week. joining me now is nbc news justice reporter ryan reilly. what do we know about him? >> he has been living in a van by the d.c. jail for a couple of months now. this news filing from prosecutors, they say law enforcement had been looking for him at some point, but weren't able to find him because he had no fixed address. on social media, it was clear where he was living. other january 6th supporters had kicked him out because his views were too extreme for them. he had been trying to show a video of ashli babbitt's death to her mom and others who hang out by the jail there. prosecutors will seek his attention this afternoon. he's facing four charges.
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misdemeanor charges. but that could change in the future and they say he's a threat to people going forward. he had two guns and 400 rounds of ammunition in his van. and he's really discombobulated and not fully there when he was making the rants on social media and streaming himself outside of the obamas residence, thinking there are tunnels connected from the obamas to the podesta residence. so pretty out there and someone they think is a threat going forward. >> wow. that's right on embassy row. >> right. yeah. >> and so presumably they will add some charges that they can hold him without bail. >> they could. having guns in d.c. isn't necessarily looked highly upon. i think that's something that could face charges down the road. right now the misdemeanor charges. he's one of hundreds of people identified by online sleuths for several months now but have not yet been arrested by the fbi.
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this one didn't seem to be that high priority, even though he's been here on and off, back to d.c., since he's been identified in august of 2021. >> ryan reilly with the latest, thank you very much. identity crisis. how republican hopefuls are trying to gain traction in a crowded 2024 field and distinguish themselves from front-runner donald trump. that's next. you're watching "andrea mitchell reports." stay with us. you're watching "andrea mitchell reports. stay with us
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republican presidential candidates hitting the trail in early voting states, except for one. several marched in july 4th parades in new hampshire and iowa bringing their messages to voters. >> the people of iowa, people of america are ready for a change. i think different times call for different leadership. >> i think freedom has been under assault in this country and we need people to stand up and fight back and that's exactly what we're doing. >> front-runner donald trump, though, skipped the trail on july 4th, opting to hit social media instead, railing against his indictments and president biden. joining us now nbc's vaughn hillyard, susan page, washington bureau chief for usa today, and also with us charlie dent, former republican congressman of pennsylvania. thanks to all of you. vaughn, you were in south carolina. but you covered mike pence for years and years. and has spent years in iowa. so that's where he was. i want to ask you about that first. pence in iowa, trying to
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distinguish himself from donald trump. >> yeah, i heard from a number of republicans who say, look, iowa is going to be make it or break it. go back eight years ago, donald trump handily winning new hampshire and south carolina after narrowly losing to ted cruz in iowa. if anybody wants a good shot to go mano ashot, they have to essentially win iowa. that's why you see mike pence putting the whole heart of his campaign on the ground there. take a listen to a little bit of the former vice president earlier this morning. >> i think this country is in a lot of trouble. this is a time when all of us need to bring all of our best to turn this country around. >> reporter: his former boss was not on the campaign trail on the 4th of july. he has been posting on his social media account just overnight. he posted a meme of him in a george washington revolutionary
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war uniform. he posted another meme yesterday on july 4th of the white house on fire with the words, trump is right on it. donald trump is doing his own form of campaigning. apparently it's working, according to the polls. >> susan, there's -- ron desantis' spokesperson says he has an uphill fight. is he trying to be an underdog where he is a prohibitive second ranked candidate but still falling farther behind donald trump in the last couple months? >> prohibitive second doesn't get you much. ron desantis like everybody he is has an uphill fight against trump. trump doesn't need to be out campaigning on the stump like the other candidates do who are seeking name recognition and some attention. his position as the dominant figure in this contest is basically unchallenged, despite two indictments and more perhaps to come. >> congressman, major republican
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candidates are on the trail, except for donald trump. as susan pointed out, he doesn't need to be out there, join the debate. we have seen the last cycle in iowa -- or two cycles ago, he didn't join that debate and doesn't need to. why would he take shots from someone who is so far behind him? what does this say about the republican party? >> it says donald trump is a non-traditional candidate. he does not need to engage in retail politics that the others do. donald trump has 100% name i.d. they know his brand. he is the leader of a movement. all these others are trying to get oxygen. what they are fighting over is who can be the one non-trump alternative to take on donald trump. what we will watch between now and new hampshire, i suspect, that most -- many of the candidates will not make it to the first round. which can get momentum and break through, be that non-trump
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alternative? desantis has faltered. we will see which other ones might emerge. >> vaughn, you were at president trump's big rally in south carolina, one of his first big rallies since he launched his campaign. what did you hear? how was the crowd? how did they react? >> reporter: to the congressman's point, he is trying to oversee a movement here. that was clear in south carolina. in a town of 3,000 people, rural western part of the state, donald trump made this -- as much about the legal peril he faces as much as the political primary he is looking at. he told the crowd that they are looking to take his freedoms in an effort to keep him from protecting their freedoms. he has made the pending trials in front of him, the continuing investigations, he is bringing them to be a part of this with him. he is not running away from it. instead, he was laying out his own defenses in the classified
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documents case. we have heard time and again -- i talked to voters who echo and parrot donald trump's legal defenses. mentioning the likes of the presidential records act. mentioning the clinton case. donald trump is laying it out for them so they know that he is in a situation in which they are trying to not only target him but target this maga movement that has helmed over the last eight years. >> susan, doesn't retail politics matter in iowa and new hampshire? our experiences indicate that. with that, mike pence with the evangelicals would have a good shot. we have seen mike huckabee, for instance, who you didn't expect to do well. >> iowa and new hampshire, the last two places on earth where retail politics can matter in a u.s. presidential election. this is mike pence's hope. evangelicals in iowa turning out for him.
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he is having trouble breaking through. he has a problem with trump's most fiercest advocates and those who dislike trump the most. he has a narrow corridor there in the middle. he is hoping his position on abortion and other issues delivers for him with evangelicals in iowa. >> what about new hampshire? looking forward, donald trump doing better than might be expected in new hampshire. >> he has strength in new hampshire. new hampshire is a quirky state. it's a late deciding state, unlike with a where people place their bets early. in iowa, something happens right before the primary can make a difference. >> in new hampshire? >> yes, thank you. >> we are off to the races. thanks to all of you. there's more ahead on this extended edition of "andrea mitchell reports." he would get the latest on the mass shootings over the holiday and the efforts to curb gun violence when we come right back. you are watching "andrea
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