in these cases we see they don't need the instruction of a group. all they need is the political rhetoric to spike their interest send them on some google searches and real people lose their lives. >> thank you very much. >> thanks for having me. >> that is all in on this wednesday night. and remember you can get all the best video from the show and much much more by following us on the big new social media site that launched threads. we're as@allinwith chris. we're threading stuff apparently. out front starts right now. >> i promise as soon as i'm offset i'll become the next follower to the chris hayes show. thank you, chris. one more for you. and thank you at home for joining us this hour. alex has the night off, and what a night it is. for the past two hours we have been speed-reading the new

un-redacted affidavit the government used to get a search warrant for trump's mar-a-lago club last year. full disclosure nbc news is part of a group of organizations that sued to get this affidavit un-redacted, and now it is out. it is not totally un-redacted, but it is way, way less redacted than the original version, so we have been comparing and contrasting the two as fast as we can. again, this thing just came out two hours ago, but the thing that jumped out at us immediately was this, the newly un-redacted sections of the affidavit give us a much better understanding of what the government could see on the surveillance footage it got from mar-a-lago. there's fun details we didn't have before like how the cameras were motion activated. but really it's what the cameras couldn't see that sticks out. on july 6th of last year the trump organization provided the fbi with the hard drive containing the footage of four cameras. all four of those cameras were in the basement hallway leading to the storage room where trump

had been keeping these classified documents. now, that's a pivotal part of how the justice department knew documents were being moved in and out of that storage room. but those cameras did not capture what was happening upstairs at mar-a-lago which is interesting. this is from that same affidavit from august of last year. quote, the investigation has established that other boxes were moved from the storage room to other locations in the premises including the former president of the united states's residential suite in pine hall. how if the video cameras were only capturing what was happening in the basement, how did the government know the exact rooms where these documents were brought upstairs inthere are two big potential options. number one, the government may have intercepted communication, may have a text or e-mail from inside trump's orbit they obtained that told them where these documents were brought. or option number two, they might have had a human source, someone on the inside who by august of

last year when they filed this affidavit for a search warrant was already talking to them. there was one other tiny detail from this new un-redacted filing i want to show you. do you remember walt nauta, the trump aide that stands accused of helping trump move documents from investigators. he's listed as trump's coconspirator on the indictment. he's central to this case. in this newly un-redacted affidavit he is referred to as witness five, meaning there were at least four other witnesses the government talked to and referenced in what must still be sealed portions of of this affidavit. so who are they and could they not or not have talked? there's one part of this i think i can answer. his alleged coconspearther walt nauta was alongside him on the

road in trump's motorcade went to an after court stop at a cuban restaurant. here the two are again just this past friday. trump and nauta having just been alleged coconspirators, they have been tied at the hip. for nearly a month after trump's arraignment nauta himself has still yet to be arraigned. his arraignment keeps being bedelayed and delayedch and the reason nauta is giving for this nearly month long delay is that he claims he is having trouble finding a lawyer to represent him. having lived in florida i can tell you there are plenty of lawyers there. so what's going on here? last week people familiar with the matter told the guardian part of the delay came from the fact nauta had picked a local lawyer but then that lawyer and the group footing nauta's legal bills had a dispute about the legal fees. who's paying nauta's legal bills you might ask, the guardian reports it is none other than

donald trump's save america pack. nauta was a white house valet, he got trump's cokes, carried boxes room to room. he wasn't exactly raking in the big bucks. so trump's packs paying legal bills makes sense. it signals trump and nauta aren't just alleged coconspirators, they appear to also be codefendants, working together and likely not to turn on each other. nauta set tomorrow in miami. keeping nauta on his side isn't just important in this case, it's also setting a precedent. just in the past few weeks we've seen high up trump affiliates brought in to talk to special counsel jack smith in his other investigation, the investigation into trump's attempt to overturn the results of the 2020 election. rudy giuliani, trump's former lawyer, and mike roman, one of the orchestrators of trump's

fake elector scheme, both of them have reportedly met with jack smith as part of proffer agreements. fake electors themselves have been offered immunity in exchange for their testimony. as special counsel jack smith's investigation heats up, there is a very live question about who will flip and who won't, who could be a coconspirator and who could be a cooperating witness. joining us now mary mccord, former acting assistant attorney general at the department of justice and andrew wiseman, former lead prosecutor for the mueller investigation, former leader of the justice department's fraud section. they are also both the co-hosts of my favorite msnbc podcast "prosecuting donald trump." mary, andrew, thank you both so much for being with us tonight. all right, mary, i watched all our producers had the two affidavits up on their screens looking at them side by side. what stood out to you as note noteworthy in this less redacted fbi affidavit? >> well, to start off, there's

not really much we learned new that isn't in the indictment because of course this was an affidavit in support of a search warrant conducted nearly year ago at this point and we've only recently seen the indictment which includes more of what we've now seen in the redacted even the partially un-redacted affidavit. but i did think it was notable, you know, a few things that were just sort of interesting. theulous of the photograph of 60-something boxes in the storage room to just show in that affidavit trump knew even back in 20201 when the national archive was just trying to get the return of what they thought was presidential records, he knew even after he'd been looking at boxes and looking at boxes, there were still 61 boxes in that storage room, and remember after that they only gave 15 boxes back to the national archives.

i thought it was also notable as you indicated in your opening all the different descriptions of the usef of what jack smith had learned from the surveillance video and reesavy what evan corcoran, one of trump's attorneys at the time, the attorney who's responsible for turning over classified documents in response to the grand jury subpoena, what -- what they knew about evan corcoran at that time. so it showed in just that last week before evan came to go search through the boxes to try to find any classified information to turn over to the department of justice, in just that last week alone, walt nauta was in there actively day after day on three different occasions sending boxes up to donald trump even doing that just four days after the fbi interviewed him and talked to him about the importance of that storage room and whether mr. trump was looking at any boxes in that storage room. and then of course, only about 30 boxes were moved back into

that storage room after 60 more were taken out. we knew that from the indictment, but seeing it play out as you indicated, the camera footage of the storage room, what they were able to see and weren't able to see and the things mr. nauta knew there's a few little fun details to look at in there, but overall doesn't change anything about the case. otherwise to give us a little bit of a window into how strong the probable cause was, but what is still unknown is who are some of the other witnesses? because i think that's why we still so many redactions. there is information the government is still trying to protect here. >> andrew wiseman, your analysis was very similar to your colleague, mary's. there's also just the fact when you look through it and see just a little bit more information, you're reminded how unusual, how unprecedented, how wild this is all is. >> absolutely. so i think -- of course i always agree with mary on everything, but the -- the orchestration of

the obstruction is what it's true it is in the indictment as mary said, but these have -- it's very detailed as mary was sort of alluding to of sort of exactly what the former president and walt nauta were doing. and that is as we were togging about before, it's still worth remembering this is the former president of the united states, and it is in black and white. as to this dance so that mr. corcoran could come in and unknowingly on his part lie to government saying you have everything now when in fact there this was orchestrated thing to take out all the material the former president didn't want to go. it's remarkable this is happening and also explains why they got the search. if you remember we were all going oh, my god, this is unprecedented, why did they do this, and you read this un-redacted piece and makes it

absolutely clear what they were sitting on which is that they knew there'd been this attempt to obstruct justice. >> i wonder what you make of this reporting one of his problems the trump team doesn't want to pay the rates at least one local lawyer in florida requested. talk me through why trump would even be involved in that decision. >> well, you know, it's not -- it's a pac, right, that is trump's pac essentially. and as a codefendant and someone who's approving of walt nauta's bills he's wanting to have a say in this. as you indicated in the opening, this is not uncommon. it's in a corporation and i think andrew can speak to this even more than i can. when a number of corporate officials are being investigated, they're all having their attorneys paid for. but it is really troublesome because walt nauta's in a very different position than mr. trump. yes, he's got culpability, he's indicted. he's charged now with crimes and these are serious crimes. but if you think about the power

imbalance between mr. trump and his valet, walt nauta, it's troublesome to think that trump would be involved in sort of pulling the strings on who would represent walt nauta. i mean if i were walt nauta's attorney i would really be trying to figure out if there isn't a way to make some agreement with the united states. and i'm sure at various times that's been considered, but that is very much not in the interest of mr. trump. and so these are things that i think could be causing some of this delay because it could very well be it's not just all about money but there are attorneys who are concerned about their ability to zealously represent their client in these circumstances. >> his arraignment has already been delayed twice. it's 9:12 p.m. on the east coast, 11 a.m. tomorrow if he doesn't have a lawyer what then? >> so the rules are that he has to have a local florida lawyer, and he does have an out of town

lawyer, but the rules are there that you have to have a local lawyer to sort of sponsor you. the judge has a number of options. one is obviously the judge can kick the can down the road yet again. that would not be what i would advise. no one wants to go to trial if you're a defendant so you obviously want to delay things. so one option is another delay. but the other option is the court says you know what, i'm appointing a lawyer right now to represent you in connection with this arraignment, and you are going to because you can afford it, you are going to repay the fees for that attorney, but we're going to go forward. and when you get your lawyer, fine. if you don't get a lawyer, you'll represent yourself since that is constitutional as well so that the court does have options to move this along because you really aren't held hostage to someone saying i just

can't find counsel. but it is worth noting to your question to mary that it is not improper or illegal to have somebody else pay for counsel. but, of course, money can be power to state the obvious. and so what mary was saying is that if you have a third party paying for your counsel, if you are a responsible lawyer, your client is still your client. it doesn't matter who was paying you, and it puts you in a difficult position. you have to be willing to say, no, it doesn't matter that donald trump or a pac is paying me. my loyalty is to walt nauta. so that could be one of the complications here is they want to find a lawyer who might not perhaps be so ethical. >> 11 a.m. tomorrow we'll see when walt nauta shows up with. mary mccord, former acting assistant attorney general at the department of justice, thank you so much for getting started. andrew wiseman, you're sticking

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i have never been a fan of facebook as you probably know. i've never been a big zuckerberg

fan. i think he's a real problem. section 230 should be revoked immediately. should be revoked, number one. it should be revoked because it is not merely an internet company. it is propagating falsehoods they know to be false. >> that was joe biden in an interview with the "the new york times" editorial board back in 2020. biden was criticizing the ceo of then facebook and now meta mark zuckerberg. joe biden was not president when he gave that interview, wasn't even the democratic nominee at that point. and the position he articulated on reforming big tech is one many democrats and republicans have held for some time. nevertheless, republican lawmakers cited that interview as evidence the government somehow coerced social media companies into suppressing free speech online. it's part of a lawsuit brought

by the attorneys general of louisiana and florida which accuses the biden administration of pressuring social media companies to take down conservative content. yesterday on the fourth of july a trump appointed federal judge sided with those republicans attorney general issuing an injunction of federal agencies like the fbi and the department of health and human services contacting social media companies about posts they think should be taken down. the trump appointed judge claimed there was, quote, evidence of a massive effort from the white house to federal agencies to suppress speech based on its content. the biden administration is appealing the ruling, but for now that decision effectively blocks the federal government from asking sites to take down online misinformation of issues like whether vaccines work. they do, or whether or not the 2020 election was stolen. it was not. the judge did make exceptions to allow the federal government to contact social media companies about things like national security threats and criminal activity. legal experts say those

exceptions are vague. they've opened questions about what exactly the government can and cannot do. andrew wiseman is back with us. andrew wiseman, you described yourself as angry over this ruling which is not often a word i associate with. >> so i'm going to give you two examples, one from my personal experience and one cited by the court as what is so problematic. so one from the court. the court said as an example of the current administration being so biased against conservatives was when the government went to tech companies and said you need to do something about fake fauci accounts saying you do not need to be vaccinated and they're dangerous, essentially spitting out misinformation that would cost peoples lives. that was given as an example by the court of something that is

violative of the first amendment. so committing fraud by having a fake account is not protected by the first amendment. >> correct. >> and it's also not anti-conservative. it is anti- -- saying you're pro-facts and pro-science and so that's one example. the other is when i was general council of the fbi, there was information that we had that we put in danger senior government officials and that were overseas and gave locations. and this was being posted online. and what you do in a situation like that is you call up a tech company if they're general council and raise to them the issue of have you seen these posts? we understand that they would violate your own policies. >> your own policies. >> can you take a look at this? usually what the general council says is thank you so much for raising this and understandable. and they do an evaluation.

the idea that a court would say that you cannot do that and that that's somehow is involved in politics when what you are doing is making people safer is just barely beyond the pail. i think it should be noted the government is appealing this and they filed an appeal this evening, so this is hot off the presses from yesterday, but this is doj taking an immediate because this is something that makes total sense this happened in terms of taking a deal so quickly because there really is danger in terms of this kind of ruling, and i don't think the exceptions that you noted in any way work because they're actually not at all in the opinion. the opinion suggests none of that should be an exception so that it's sort of a tag line and it's really unclear how it's actually going to be if this opinion stands how you're supposed to apply that is because he's actually saying you can't do things that would --

that actually are criminal to try and stop this. you can't try and stop things that would be criminal. >> 150-page ruling sort of tells you a lot what you need to know. andrew wiseman, as always thank you so much for joining us. still to come tonight the epidemic of gun violence in america feels like an unsolvable problem, but there's still action happening at the state level. the governor is joining us to talk about, that's coming up. but first ohioans sign up in big numbers to put abortion on the ballot. will it be enough to overcome major obstacles on the way by the republican led ledge s lacher? that's next. lacher that's next. that's why i switched to dovato. dovato is a complete hiv treatment for some adults. no other complete hiv pill uses fewer medicines to help keep you undetectable than dovato. detect this: most hiv pills contain 3 or 4 medicines.

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while you were grilling a hot dog or enjoying other fourth of july festivities this is how missouri republican senator josh holley was marking the holiday with a tweet. quote, it cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often this great nation was founded not on religions but on the gospel of jesus christ. it is the very reason peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity and freedom of worship here. now, that quote tweeted while claiming to cite 18th century revolutionary and slave owner patrick henry is both false and

fake. senator holley's fake quotes served a real focus. that viewpoint that christianity is or should be the bedrock of our country has been used to curtail rights nationwide. christian activist groups have lobbied lawmakers, judges, even supreme court justices for years to overturn roe. since they got the job done with the dobbs decision last year, 15 states across the country have banned most abortions. in ohio specifically a six-week abortion ban went into effect just hours after roe was overturned. a few months later a judge blocked that ban which means at least for now abortion remains legal there until 22 weeks of pregnancy. reproductive rights groups are unwilling to wait until the next right to abortion access to take action. instead they have mobilized shore up the right to abortion in ohio. they have proposed an amendment to the state constitution that would ensure the right for everyone to, quote, make and carry out one's own reproductive

decisions up and to and including abortion until the fetus is viable on its own. the amendment would also ban the state from interfering directly or indirectly with anyone's reproductive health decisions with few exceptions. the groups have lobbied the republican led legislature to help make it harder to get that measure on the november ballot. in march a state senate committee heard from members of christian advocacy groups with mission statements like, quote, advocating for public policy that reflects the truth of the gospel. in this case, they were advocating to change the voting threshold needed to pass the state constitutional amendment to require a 60% super majority of ohio voters not just a simple majority. they were successful. the legislature is allowing voters to cast ballots in august to decide whether a 60% super majority will be required for a constitutional amendment to pass. now, that's despite the fact

just months ago republican lawmakers voted against adding a special election in august. a late summer vote is an apparent victory in the past year six states including states as red as kansas have voted on ballot measures and amendments in support of the right to abortion. and today in ohio abortion right advocates got one step closer to joining those states. they filed more than 700,000 signatures and put a constitutional amendment on ohio's november ballot, almost double what they needed. in ohio where 59% of the electorate supports enshrining abortion rights in the state constitution, that amendment seems likely to pass in november. unless the republican 60% super majority measure passes next month. joining us now the co-founder of ohio physicians for reproductive rights, one of the groups aiding the ballot initiative signature collection. and david pepper, a former chair

of the ohio democratic party and author of "saving democracy, a user's manual for every american." thank you both for being here. doctor, i want to begin with you. state officials still have to review the signatures bullet looks like this measure to amend the state constitution very likely to appear on the november ballot. are you surprised you got as many signatures as you did? how difficult was this effort? >> you know, thank you for having me, alex. and overall we were told it was going to be heavy lifting. about a year ago when we founded the ohio physicians for reproductive rights we knew we had heavy lifting. folks thought it would be hard and together this many signatures in such a short amount of time, and we started from the ground up. we wrote the amendment. we put up infrastructure. we gathered folks with all sorts of expertise to get this done, and in just over 12 weeks we reached 700,000 people in every

single one of ohio's 88 counties. i don't want to say i'm surprised because i'm not. ohioans are pro-choice and for having families make their own decisions. and we could feel this on the ground when we talked to people, went to group meetings, we spoke to constituents all over the state, this is what we heard. we heard them say that they wanted to be responsible for their own medical decisions. >> david, there's now a separate ballot measure voters will decide on in a separate special election in august. voters are going to decide whether the threshold for approving a state constitutional amendment should be increased to 60% of the vote. we know from recent polling 59% of ohio voters are in favor of protecting the abortion in the state constitution. 59-60, is that a coincidence?

>> no. they knew full well this is an unpopular -- their side is unpopular. they know ohio is pro-choice state. they're scared to death what happened in kansas and other states especially that story of a 10-year-old rape victim having to go to indiana, truly toxic in a state like ohio. so they're trying to change the rules, rig the results beforehand. i don't think it'll work, but people do need to see this august election is incredibly important, and they're hoping for a low turnout. they're hoping no one sees it, but my hope is people will see the connection. if they do, my hope is we overcome it in august with a no vote. >> david, here's the thing, earlier this year ohio republicans decided that august special elections were too costly to be worthwhile. they passed a law effectively ending august elections, but they scheduled a special election for next month anyway. i wonder if you were surprised by that apparent hypocrisy.

>> no, i mean this absolutely lawless bunch. this is the most corrupt statehouse in the country. the former speaker was sentenced to 20 years in federal prison just last week for the biggest bribery scandal in ohio history. they're sitting in a gerrymandered set of districts and violate the constitution. they break the law all the time here. and in case knowing they would lose in november, they broke their own law that said august special elections shouldn't be allowed or obtained the supreme court upheld. we literally have the situation of an election being held on the date that currently violates the ohio revised code, but that's what's happening in all these states around the country. we are reaching a level of lawlessness and once it's reached once, they go again and again, and that's why, you know, in some cases even court challenges to any common sense, you know, would make sense and states like ohio don't go that

far. it's clearly bizarre, lawless. we just need to show up in big numbers in august and end this nonsense and then show up in november and vote yes in the kind of 59 or 60% numbers that's happening here in ohio and kansas, even in kentucky for goodness sakes. the dobbs decision said this should go in the hands of the people. as far as that decision was, it's set to go in the hands of the people. and these legislators are doing everything they can to keep it from going in the hands of the people. >> in the past year michigan voted to add amendments to protect abortion. states like kansas voted against amendments that would have established no right to abortion and it seems like it comes down to which party controls the legislature, who serves as governor and whether voters can, in fact, vote on amendments. i wonder as a physician how it

feels to know that decisions that are being made in the room with your patient aren't necessarily being dictated by science or the gold standard of medical care but rather the political reality of any state at any given moment. >> you know, exactly. you got it. that is what was frustrating to us. and that's what happened right away. myself, my colleagues, we were all worried of the decisions we would have to make that made no sense, that endangered our patient's lives, that to be honest took the dignity away from our patients. and because of that this was not something that could wait until 2024. it was not not something that we could just sit. and we were thankful that in ohio we do have the ability, the citizens led ballot initiative was something that we could pursue, bring the power back to our patients, bring the power back to our people because i cannot practice medicine if the

politicians and the government around me tie my hands. >> you look at the number of signatures that were able to be collected, that is a promising start. i wonder if you feel in the lead-up to both august and november if democrats are properly organized and resourced to do what they need to do to get this over the finish line. >> i mean i honestly think republicans here breathe life into a democratic party that had a tough last november. so the incredible effort by the doctor organization, so many other partnerships happening, the ohio democratic party and have more than 100,000 signatures. i think as bad as all this is and it's bad, and the results are as horrible as the 10-year-old rape victim, there's an opportunity here. a waking a sleeping giant that, again, exposes not just how extreme this legislature is but how lawless they are, and at a

certain point i think we have an opportunity now to make that very clear. it's painfully clear to a lot of ohioans, and so i think they've given an opportunity when otherwise it might have been a tougher year to get organized, so you have an august opportunity to get organized. and then next year we have a senate race and three supreme court seats which will be pivotal to interpreting the constitutional amendments that are passing. so this gives an opportunity to really organize it that may not have been there otherwise. even though it's the result of really disturbing behavior by a really lawless group of people. >> and we will all be watching. thank you both so much for your time and for your expertise tonight. when we come back another weekend in america characterized by gun violence. while gun reform seems to have stalled the federal level, states can still take action. maryland governor wes moore joins us next. land governor wes joins us next.

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shootings rej in the u.s. last year alone. this year very little has changed. on sunday a shooting at a crowded party left more than two people dead and 28 wounded most of them teenagers between the 13 and 19. the next day on monday gunfire erupted in a downtown neighborhood in fort worth, texas. that same day five people were killed after a shooter fired randomly at vehicles and peds in southwest philadelphia, pennsylvania. on tuesday four people died and seven others were wounded after a mass shooting at a fourth of july block party in shreveport, louisiana. this morning from 9:00 a.m. more than nine people were shot and wounded in washington, d.c. near 20 minutes from the white house. about an hour later five people were shot and wounded in the boston neighborhood of dorchester. soon after in maryland six others were killed and four others wounded in a mass shooting at another fourth of

july block party. that list is shocking but incomplete. the organization documenting gun violence in this country counted 22 mass shootings this weekend alone resulting in 20 people killed and 126 injured. yesterday president biden frustrated with what he calls an epidemic of gun violence call on congress to pass gun control reforms banning assault weapons and high capacity magazines. the president is asking congress to do it because, well, he can't. in fact, at the executive level there isn't much he can do ticht. on the state level, however, that story changes. governors can do more and at least some democrats are trying to. in illinois earlier this year governor jd pritzker signed legislation banning assault weapons and the sale of high capacity magazines. republicans took him to the supreme court for it, but the justices declined to intervene. soon after maryland acted, too. two months ago governor wes moore, a democrat, signed a law making it illegal to carry a concealed handgun in separate public areas in schools,

government buildings, and medical facilities. joining us now is maryland governor wes moore. governor, thank you for being with us. you recently signed legislation to curb gun violence in your state. just this past weekend multiple gun related incidents including a mass shooting, what more can be done in maryland at the local level to prevent these incidents? >> a lot more can be done and a lot more will be done. i'll tell you my weekend started early on saturday morning at around 2:30 in the morning when the mayor of baltimore called me to tell me about the mass casualty, the mass shooting that took place in the city of baltimore, and then i proceeded to spend my weekend coordinating both federal, state, and local responses to it, making sure we are both putting all state resources that we can towards making sure people are held to account and there'll be justice for those crimes and also making sure communities are getting what they need. i spent my weekend working with first responders and doctors who

were literally saving lives all weekend long. i spent my weekend working with local officials and working in communities and spending time with the people inside the community. that's how i spent my fourth of july weekend. but here's what we also know. over a dozen other governors in this country were doing the same thing. we've got an absolute crisis on our hands, so when we think about what is it we can do, we need for the federal government to act, we need congress to act on this. we're not waiting. when we think about the measures may recall has done to think about raising the age to 21 and making sure a person with a history of mental illness cannot purchase a weapon and even though we're proud of the bills i signed along those lines, it's still not going to be enough. we've got to get these illegal guns out of our neighborhoods and off our streets. we've got to make sure violent offenders, there are consequences to that and we've

got to work across state lines with our partners. for example, in the city of baltimore 65% of the guns confiscated in the city of baltimore are not from the state of maryland, so we've got to be able to work with our regional partners to address something. that is an absolute national crisis right now. >> when you talk about the limits what can be done at the state level and the action that needs to come from congress i wonder what you believe the pressure points that governors like yourself can get congress to act, and if you find any appetite among your republican colleagues, republican governors, if they are interested in bringing that fight to the federal government. >> yeah, the thing that we know is we've got to depoliticize this. this is not a democratic or a republican issue because this is hitting all of our communities. while i was working closely with the mayor of baltimore who's a democrat during the weekend to be able to respond and make sure our communities were getting what they needed and also making sure that we can bring these people to justice, the ones

responsible for the shooting, this morning and all throughout the day i was also working with the republican county executive because we just had another mass shooting in salisbury in the state of maryland, in the eastern shore. so this is not a democratic or republican issue. we're watching states, we're watching jurisdictions around the country, governors both democrat and republicans that are dealing with this issue. and what we collectively need is not just a sense of cooperation between the state and locals and between states, but that's the type of leadership and that's the type of coordination that we have to be able to see in congress as well. >> i have about a minute left but i do want to ask you florida governor ron desantis signed a bill that went into effect saturday legally allow people to carry a firearm without a permit. i wonder how much it complicates your gun safety efforts when other governors, desantis one example, are moving in the opposite direction. >> it absolutely complicates it

because we know that the work we are doing here in the state of maryland we need to have our partners, our other governors who are also on the same sheet when it comes to being able to make sure their communities are safe. but i also know that thework we are doing here in the state of maryland when we are focusing on things like making sure that a person cannot and will not bring a firearm into places like government buildings and into places like nurseries because there's no reason for it, and so while that might be the direction of other governors, i know that to keep the people safe it means doing things like what we're doing here in the state of maryland which is not just making sure we're putting common sense gun laws together in the state of maryland but addressing the fact there are more than 300 million guns in the united states and that just includes the ones we know about that. that doesn't theclude the ghost guns and illegal guns that continue to flood into communities. in maryland we're going to make

sure we keep our communities safe and work in partnership to keep common sense gun laws so our communities can thrive and children can grow. >> governor, thank you. we'll be right back. governor, u we'll be right back.

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in 2019 the supreme court reversed the conviction of a mississippi death row prisoner named curtis flowers who had been sentenced to death for the murders of four people in 1996 and actually tried for the crime six times. the court ruled in a 7-2 decision the prosecutor in the case worked to block black citizens from serving as jurors in the trials so flowers' conviction was thrown out. now, four years later another mississippi man named tony clark has been sentenced to death for a 2014 murder. his lawyer citing that 2019 supreme court ruling claimed the prosecutor's focus on blocking black citizens from his jury. and last week the supreme court declined to consider clark's appeal. justice sotomayor joined by

fellow liberal justices kagen and ketanji brown jackson wrote a blistering dissent criticizing both the mississippi supreme court and her own fellow justices characterizing their decisions as, quote, a signal from the mississippi supreme court it intends to carry on with business as usual no matter what this court said in flowers, by allowing the same court to make the same mistakes applying the same standard this court acwes ss the mississippi's supreme court defiance. today this court tells the mississippi supreme court that it has called our bluff. in 2023 the supreme court is ignoring its own work and the precedent it set. that 2019 decision in flowers was hailed for sending a message to lower courts to be vigilant about racial bias in the criminal justice system. but now as justice sotomayor puts it because this court refuses to intervene, a black

man will be put to death in the state of mississippi based on the decision of a jury that was plausibly selected based on race. that is a tragedy. and that does it for us tonight. alex is going to be back here tomorrow. i'll see you this weekend on my show "american voices" 6:00 to 8:00 p.m. eastern. "way too early" with jonathan lemire is up next. russian fighter jets confront u.s. drones in syria. it's yet another example of the kremlin getting awfully close to american assets. we'll bring you what the pentagon is saying about it today. plus new details on what drove the department of justice to search donald trump's beach club last year for classified documents. we're getting a new look at the warrant. and later on, president biden heads to south carolina, the state that saved his candidacy back in 2020. a preview of