will get double digit margins in the low turnout primaries in the cycle. >> appreciate the reporting as always. nbc news white house correspondent mike memoli. thank you very much. of course, we'll have coverage on the president's trip to south carolina later today. thanks to all of you for getting up "way too early" with us on this thursday morning. "morning joe" starts right now. if it wasn't for your vote, we would not have joe biden in the white house. that was a constitutional right that you had to send those votes back to the states. >> states conduct our elections. you never want to let washington, d.c., run elections. constitution affords no authority to the vice president or anyone else to reject votes or return votes to the states. never been done before, should never be done in the future. sorry, ma'am, but that is actually what the constitution says. president trump is wrong about my authority that day, and he's

still wrong. >> that is former vice president mike pence in iowa yesterday defending himself after a woman falsely claimed he had the constitutional power to block the certification of the 2020 election results. a calm takedown of that conspiracy theory. good morning. welcome to "morning joe." it is thursday, july 6th. with us, we have u.s. special correspondent for bbc news, katty kay. the host of "way too early," white house bureau chief at "politico," jonathan lemire. professor at princeton university, eddie glaude jr. and legal analyst danny. mike pence, for all the criticisms we've rightly levied upon him over the last eight years or so, seven or eight years, it was sort of a measured takedown and a point by point rebuttal of something that really is prominent, really did take hold, as you write about in your book, "the big lie."

mike pence had the power to, quote, send it back to the states and give the election to donald trump. >> yeah, mike pence ruz right was right there, he didn't have the power. it is a credit to him, with an assist from dan quayle, unlikely defender of the republic, that he stood his ground that day and resisted that pressure from donald trump, a man whom he had served loyally throughout their four years in office and broke with him at the most important moment. the fact that he is still dealing with this 2, 2 1/2 years later in iowa, the state where he has placed a bet on his entire campaign, thinking he could do well with the evangelicals there, shows what an uphill climb he has and why his poll numbers remain so low. also, just demonstrate the grip that donald trump still has on this party and that his lies have completely taken hold. they've been repeated in the conservative media ecosystem. they are on social media wherever you can find them. trump repeats it day after day. he hasn't acknowledged his defeat. it shows how dangerous that lie is, as so many republicans are still willing to believe it.

>> that's the point, eddie. it still is so pervasive. if you are one of these republicans taking on donald trump in a republican primary, you go to iowa, go to new hampshire, go to south carolina, that's what they're facing every people, people who confront them and say, isn't donald trump actually the president? they hear that and say, how do i take on donald trump when everyone's vote i'm trying to win is there in those people? >> how do you convince them otherwise? the facts are what they are. pence was forthright, but did he convince them? that is the challenge. >> we'll talk more about that coming up and more stoies around the 2024 campaign. new details about the search of former president donald trump's mar-a-lago golf club carried out by federal agents last year. after a less redacted version of the search affidavit was made public, the document reveals the

agents connected to the classified materials told the judge who signed the search warrant they were concerned the location of some of the documents was unknown. the affidavit indicates justice department officials became concerned after viewing security camera footage from mar-a-lago that they obtained from trump's company. the affidavit reveals the video showed a trump employee, since identified as aide and former white house valet walt nauta, moving boxes out of a storage area where trump and his lawyers acknowledged keeping classified documents. the videos were referred to in the criminal indictment filed against trump and nauta last month. the indictment stated documents have been stored at a number of locations, including trump's office, residence, a ballroom stage, and now infamously inside a bathroom. federal judge in florida who signed off on the august search

warrant, bruce reinhart, ordered the document be made public. he deied the request that the entire affidavit be unsealed. this was a search warrant we had seen but heavily redacted. now, we have a little look inside because of this ruling from the judge. as you look through it, what is new, besides the fact we have this video footage of walt nauta moving documents out of the storage facility, which is the place trump and his aides had said it was all in there, all secure. we now know otherwise. >> well, that flushes out the indictment for us. it tells us now what we didn't know when the document was sealed, at least partially sealed or redacted, i should say. that, in fact, walt nata, specifically, was moving documents. there was a concern, we think we know, at least from what we have been told, where the documents are, but they're not there. we think there are additional documents. we've seen them on video, and that makes us better understand this indictment, which alleges

trump may have misled his attorneys, the attorneys took the information and gave it to federal investigators. for me, that's been the vindicating force the entire time. four attorneys in general, which is the idea that there was a suggestion during this information that trump's attorneys may have been complicit in hiding these documents. now, maybe as a lawyer, that concerned me. i hoped and prayed that was not the case. it seem that is it was not the case. it seems that, from the indictment, trump misled his attorneys. his attorneys took that information and gave it to federal investigators. i can tell you, as a lawyer, every defense attorney in america can tell you a story of being led down a path by their clients. it happens all the time. unfortunately, sometimes attorneys take that information and give it to federal investigators or law enforcement or something else. so this is something that i think we knew, that now that this has been unredacted, now we

can see that the information that was concealed may have been by trump and by walt nauta, who was probably just carrying out orders by trump or someone close to him. >> john, walt nauta will be arraigned today if he can come up with a lawyer. this is the third attempt at an arraignment. still hasn't found a lawyer. he is central to the case. >> that's where i wanted to go with you, danny. as of last night, he'd not retained, it appears, a lawyer who could represent him in a florida courtroom. this would appear to be a stall tactic of which we have all anticipated trump and his team would utilize. what is your sense of this? is there anything that can be done to compel him to show up and make this arraignment happen? what's your overarching sense of the timeline of this case? we know jack smith is the one who said, "hey, let's move from august to december," but they're sending signals, we don't want to be delayed any further than december. >> couple things here. defendants will often use the hiring an attorney as a ploy to

delay, delay, delay. it works only to a point. at some point, for example, at an arraignment, a judge might just say, look, have the public defender stand in for you. we need to move this case along. the arraignment at least is substantively importanctically attorney can stand in. if i was a federal judge, i would be concerned about forcing a publicdefender on this defendant, but it happens all the time in state court. but on a larger point, identify i've been saying this from the beginning, watch walt nauta in the case. yes, he has expressed no interest in cooperating with federal investigators or prosecutors, but as anybody who has prosecuted these sprawling white collar cases, the decision may change over time. as the case winds on and as the

fatigue sets in, and walt nauta gets a better idea what he is facing, he may change his mind about cooperation. look no further than this already disparate treatment. if it is true that trump is footing the legal bills or supporting him in other ways, already by the arraignment, walt nauta is in a different position. trump has already been arraigned. walt nauta has yet to be arraigned because he doesn't yet have an attorney. is walt nauta and is donald trump, are they fine with that? is that part of the plan? is this no big deal? maybe. but walt nauta might start thinking, hey, wait a minute, the big guy had a lawyer at the arraignment. he's covered. i'm not arraigned yet because i don't have a lawyer. maybe it's, okay, it's part of the plan. we're still a team, a joint defense agreement, still together, aligned in this case. but what happens down the line when walt nauta starts seeing other disparate treatment, other broken promises where trump said, "we're going to be together the entire way on

this," and now maybe a year from now, when i still think this case will be going. there is absolutely no way this case is going to trial in this calendar year. as the months wind on, will walt nauta start thinking, hey, this isn't the together team i thought we were in from the beginning. maybe i ought to start thinking about cooperation. >> katty, walt nauta is still out there staffing donald trump, by the way. they're still side by side, going to events and doing things together, even as they've been instructed not to speak about this case. we'll leave it to the audience to decide if donald trump will exercise that restraint. >> i thought of that, too. surreal, isn't it? the two are spending all their time close together. you know what it is like having a body man, they are close. i never had one, but you've seen presidents with them and know how close they are. it is hard to believe they never talk about this case in those private moments, perhaps going around the golf course or something. danny, something you briefly touched on earlier, so there's walt, and is there anybody else? i know there's two people

indicted, but reading through the last bit that's been made public from the search warrant, having spent, you know, a sweaty morning moving a child out of dorm rooms, moving three, four boxes. 50 boxes are moved out and 25 are back in again. walt is doing that by himself. i mean, that stretches it. we saw the pictures a second ago. that's what it looks like, 50 boxes. it is an awful lot. it's kind of -- i was wondering if, you know, somebody else must know something about what was happening. >> yes, they probably do. but i think it's safe to assume that walt nauta may be the only defendant we see charged with trump. here are my reasons for saying that. number one, this is a long, sprawling investigation, and i have to believe when federal prosecutors indicted this case, they believed they knew everything they had to know about every defendant they wanted to charge. because this is arguably the most important federal defendant

in the history of american prosecution. so you better believe that when that indictment dropped, they knew and had a document to back up every single paragraph in that indictment. so it would surprise me if they decided to add a new defendant through a superseing indictment. to answer your question specifically, yes, i think there were additional people who may have known more about the boxes, but those people, when they got a phone call or a letter from federal prosecutors, probably raced in to tell them everything that they knew. that's often the case in federal investigations. there probably are additional people who may have known more than they should have or may have been somewhat complicit, but likely as not, they cooperated with federal investigators and the government decided not to charge them. of course, you have people who may have been following orders, "hey, we need these boxes moved." they didn't look inside the boxes and moved them around. you have a lot of people who

were minions with no knowledge of what they were doing. are there people in the gray area? absolutely. i would expect that there are. but those may be people who, as i said, rushed in, talked to federal investigators, and federal investigators and prosecutors exercised their discretion and probably just chose not to prosecute them. >> eddie, sometimes you have to take a step back and remind yourself about the volume of evidence in this case against donald trump. you know, i mean, you have photographs of the documents. you have a video footage on walt nauta moving the documents. remembering the quote from bill barr several weeks ago where he said, if half of what they put in this indictment is true, donald trump is toast. >> right. >> that is his former attorney general. >> if we weren't in bizarro world, it seems straightforward. danny, you said something as you were talking that struck me. you said, with a high level of confidence, that this was not going to happen in this calendar year. >> no way. there's no way, and i'll tell you why. >> fascinating. >> yeah. the speedy trial act requires that starting at indictment, the clock begins, and all cases must

be brought to trial within 70 days. now, i added 11 footnotes of exceptions to that rule in a standard federal case. for example, if the defense starts filing motions, dispositive motions, motions to throw a case out, the judge has to decide the motions, they have to be briefed. that could add time to the -- that could waive, essentially, the speedy trial act. that will add time to the case. in addition, you have security issues with putting a trial together. you're probably going to have to clear the entire courthouse. everything moves glacially in whether it is federal or state court. federal court moves faster than state court. it's a safe bet that trump's federal case will come to trial before his new york case. that's because, simply, the new york courts are much more clogged. they take longer to get to trial. in federal court, they move very quickly. that being said, this is a complex, sprawling case. walt nauta hasn't been arraigned

yet. just to give you an idea, all the best laid plans, even in federal court where they're much more efficient, they simply don't pan out because unexpected things happen. for example, how many weeks has it been and walt nauta hasn't been arraignment? that was supposed to happen right away. to give that as an example, eddie, that's supposed to happen immediately after the indictment comes out, and it hasn't happened for one of the co-defendants. so the expectation that this case would be tried in this calendar year, it's just not going to happen. there's no way. it can't happen. we haven't even started the dispositive motions, and those are coming, believe me. donald trump's team is going file any number of motions to throw this case out entirely. so once those begin, that'll maybe give us a better idea, but it's not happening in this calendar year. save the tape. maybe don't save the tape. but save the tape. >> there's also inherent delays to a trial that involves classified information. >> that, too, exactly. >> it is a lengthy, time-consuming process, even if

there weren't delay tactics. >> of course. the timeline puts us squarely in the presidential election year. maybe past the primaries, during a general election with conventions going on and the former president, donald trump, shuttling his way back and forth to courtrooms. another legal story connected to donald trump, wood, the high-profile georgia lawyer who embraced, encouraged former president trump's bogus election claim, says he is retiring from practicing law amid ongoing disciplinary probes. georgia officials held the disciplinary trial for wood and had been weighing whether or not to disbar the lawyer. wood proceeded to sue the georgia state bar over a request he undergo a mental health evaluation as part of its probe. he claimed that violated his constitutional rights. a federal appeals court disagreed. because he was the target of an active disciplinary probe, wood needed permission from the state bar to be moved to retired status, which he said in an email to nbc news, he has been granted. he also claimed the disciplinary proceedings against him will be

dismissed. danny, we remind people, he represented richard jewel around the atlanta bombing case. very high-profile lawyer. really in the last several years, especially descended into full qanon theory, calling for the execution of public officials. he was in the sidney powell group of lunatics around 2020. >> yes. every time, no matter who the lawyer is, every time i hear of disciplinary proceedings, suspension, disbarment for a lawyer, i cringe. it represents that person's entire career that is essentially out the window. oftentimes, it's warranted. in an investigation like this, you don't see a lot of investigations that are at the disciplinary board that are premised on something like a position that a lawyer has taken. far more often, and often the death penalty -- the figurative death penalty for lawyers is co-mingling funds or other problems, maybe even another arrest, a conviction. the thing that fascinates me

about his situation, he got off easy. the disciplinary board is going to dismiss the proceedings against him. in my experience, and i mean my knowledge, not my personal experience, but in pennsylvania, for example, you cannot retire in order to avoid a disciplinary investigation. that would be an easy way out. for example, if you have an investigation pending against you as a lawyer, at least in pennsylvania, for example, and you know you're going to be in a lot of trouble, you might be suspended, disbarred, you might think, what if i retire? if i'm not a lawyer anymore, they can't proceed with this investigation. that's not the case. the investigation can proceed, at least in that jurisdiction, even if you retire. so looking at what happened to wood, if he said, "look, i have these pending proceedings so i'll retire," and the disciplinary board looks to have accepted it, saying, "if you're retiring, it's permanent, you're nom coming back, we'll dismiss

our investigation of you." seems he got a good deal. the disciplinary board will no longer investigate him. they can't discipline a former lawyer. for posterity, i guess, it is a win because you won't have that investigation come to fruition ever. >> john, he was featured in your book, a guy that helped lead people to the capitol on january 6th, fan the flames, really chief among the attorneys around donald trump, leading this push around the 2020 election. >> yeah, it's worth reiterating that. it was wood, sidney powell, rudy giuliani, who were the faces of and the legal minds, i put that in quotes, along with john eastman, behind donald trump's efforts to overturn the election. these were the voices that were in his head that gave fuel to the conspiracy theories that he embraced in the final weeks of the campaign and then soon thereafter. so many of the grown-ups in the room had begun to exit, you know, after the election,

looking for their next job, trying to make a statement with their retirement, or being sidelined due to a covid outbreak that ripped through the west wing there in november/december. he was left with the likes of lynn wood and the kraken, sidney powell. these are the folks being investigated and have become part of jack smith's probe of what happened in the weeks. >> lynn wood called for vice president to face execution by firing squad for treason. that's who he is. danny cevallos, got our money's worth out of you today, my friend, and didn't mention the howard stern wrap-up show, which is your favorite part of your portfolio. does an excellent job with harry and the gang. thanks so much, danny. ahead on "morning joe," new provocation by russia's military has kremlin fighter jets confront u.s. drones over syria. it's the latest in a series of russian actions the pentagon is calling reckless and unprofessional. plus, we'll go to beijing

where treasury secretary janet yellen will arrive today. what the visit means for the ongoing tension between the world's economic superpowers. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back.

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and glides on without irritation. so you can glide through your entire day with confidence. ♪♪ feel the dove men glide. humpty dumpty does it with a great fall. wonderful pistachios. get crackin' u.s. treasury secretary janet yellen begins a visit to beijing today. yellen is there to discuss strategies for fostering mutually beneficial growth and ways for the united states and china to cooperate on global challenges, like climate change and debt distress. let's bring in cnbc's beijing bureau chief, eunice yoon, live in beijing. good morning. what do we expect from these meetings? >> reporter: well, willie, the

treasury secretary has arrived in the past hour here in be beijing. over the next four days, she's expected to meet with president xi jinping's new economics team, many of whom are not familiar to her or to the biden administration. she's going to discuss and consult with a u.s. business community, as well as communicate directly what treasury has described as areas of concern with the chinese. in addition to that, she's going to be speaking about global challenges, as you had mentioned, such as climate change and debt distress and coordinations. her trip comes weeks after secretary of state antony blinken was here. this is all part of a greater effort by the biden administration to restore a functional and constructive dialogue between the two. the communication between the u.s. and china has really been hit hard, especially after then house speaker nancy pelosi visited taiwan, angering beijing

about a year ago. based on official commentary as well as state media reports, the chinese are looking for what they call signs of u.s. sincerity. this would be an end of trump era tariffs on goods, lifting sanctions on chinese companies and individuals, and stopping the export curves. the chinese argument is that these tariffs only exacerbate the u.s. inflation. that the controls are also bad for u.s. companies. the view of yellen here is that she's a very pragmatic person. in the past, she's been coded as voicing some skepticism about the benefits of the tariffs, that she described decoupling as disastrous, and she's also looking to find common ground on this trip. in fact, the chinese are quite incentivized to find common ground given the economy here,

as well as an increasing concern about what is seen here as a coordinated effort by washington, as well as other advanced economies, to de-risk or cut off reliance from china, guys. >> eunice, yellen is seen amongst people who watch china as perhaps one of the less hawkish members of a hawkish administration and, of course, bipartisan hawkishness when it comes to china and russia at the moment. a month ago, there was real concern these countries could be talking each other into some kind of aggression, conflicted situation. with the visit now of tony blinken and now janet yellen, is there a sense that perhaps things are easing a bit, perhaps because of what you said about china's own economic situation? are we stepping back from the brink of what looked like a precarious situation for both america and china? >> reporter: well, i think it depends on what your expectation

is. so we are seeing some level of de-escalation in the fact that the two sides are actually talking again. you had mentioned what it was like a couple months before. at that point, neither side was having any communication, so that's better. what we're seeing today and with antony blinken's visit, all better. so helping to ease those tensions. but the big question is whether or not the two sides are really going to make fundamental changes to their policies. from the chinese perspective, it really doesn't look like the chinese are willing to make any compromise on the way that they do trade or other issues that washington has had with the chinese. we could even see that in a series in the state news agency, xinhua, which has been talking about what the root of the problem is. they said that the crux of the problem for this u.s./china

issue is the u.s., that the u.s. has a wrong perception of china. not taking a whole lot of blame for what is going on here. >> cnbc's beijing bureau chief eunice yoon breaking that down for us. wejoining us now, retired four star navy admiral james stavridis. nbc news analyst. you had a smile come to your face when you heard beijing is blaming its problems and the world's problems on the united states. what do you make of this recent diplomatic push from the united states to send secretary of state blinken, now treasury secretary yellen, to beijing to sit down and open a dialogue? >> these are both terrific initiatives. i applaud the administration for continuing to push, to stand with china, alongside china, in or not global issues like global warming, for example.

we have some fundamental disagreements with china, and we can't brush them away. number one in the admiral's book is the south china's sea. this is a body of water half the size of the united states of america, which china blam claim territorial seas. we're not resolving that overnight. we're not resolving taiwan overnight. last thing, it's great to see our secretary of the treasury and our secretary of state go to beijing. let's get our secretary of defense in the game. we need to get that top level military actor speaking. >> you're right. there's no communication between beijing and washington, and it's a top -- a person at the pentagon expressed frustration on that recently. obviously, this trip to china comes, of course, with a pivotal moment in the war in ukraine. we'll talk about the summit next week in a moment. china's support for moscow, president xi and president putin

appeared at a virtual summit over the weekend. no endorsement of the war effort or even putin remaining in president from president xi. >> president xi is playing the ball down the middle of the fairway here. he is leaning a little bit toward ukraine, but he's not sending serious weapons. he's not engaging in a full-throating defense. look no further than the prigozhin revolution. where was president xi? he was silent. it was third tier chinese officials who had pretty limp words of support for the best friend forever over in moscow. i think putin has begun to really play out his string with president xi. >> speaking of russia, jets from moscow reportedly harassed american drones in syria yesterday. according to the defense department, drones were in a

mission against isis was a jet flew into the path. the russian pilot engaged the after burner, which releases hot fuel into the air behind it. pentagon says the russian jets released flares in front of the drones, forcing the united states aircraft to take evasive maneuvers. admiral, what's russia up to here? we were talking in the break about the last time they came at the united states in syria in 2018. did not end well for the russians and the wagner group. >> it did not. what you're referring to was an attack against u.s. special forces in syria. about 300 wagner group, frankly, they were destroyed by the u.s. armed forces. this will not end well for russia if they try to take on u.s. military assets, to include our drones. we have the capability to protect them, and we will. by the way, what you're seeing here is an authoritarian state like russia attempting to push

and show the world that it can be relevant. it reminds me, willie, of what's happening in the arabian gulf right now. we see the iranians attempting to seize massive tankers. there is another word for that, to seize, 300,000 tons. that's three times the size of a u.s. aircraft carrier. navy destroyer "u.s.s. mcfaul" stopped that. we have the capability to thwart these things, but you'll see these authoritarian regimes try to push the edges of the envelope. we'll get to the iranian story in a moment. first, the protocol for the military. a drone comes at a surveillance aircraft, a fighter jet, something like that. restraint is critical. you don't want to start a hot war in the air with russia, but how do you avoid it when they are that close to you?

>> if you can't maneuver and get out of the way, or if you're undertaking a critical mission that requires maintaining course and speed, whether you're a ship or aircraft, and you are in international air space or international waters, you continue on with your mission. we then have rules of engagement that would permit us to use an appropriate and proportional amount of force to stop the attack. back to iran. warship, as the admiral said, sailing in international waters, tried to seize oil from a tanker on its way to the united states. this happened yesterday. military officials said one iranian navy vessel approached the tanker as it entered the strait of hormuz and handed it to stop. "uss mcfaul" came to the scene, and the iranian ship left. three hours later, another i iranian vessel approached a tanker sailing from the united arab emirates through the strait of hormuz.

the iranians again ordered the tanker to stop so they could board the ship and presumably seize that oil. the tanker issued a distress call. again, the "u.s.s. mcfaul" responded again, and there was a drone video of small arms rounds being fired in the direction of the tanker. admiral, you spent time out there on those waters. is this common? does this happen a lot? >> more than you might think. over the last two years, iran has at least 15 times, by my count, closer to 20, has attacked, seized or harassed commercial shipping. this matters to all of us. remember, high gas prices, try what gas prices would look like if iran closes the strait of hormuz. 35% of the world's oil passes through there. by the way, all of this behavior, again, will not end well for iran. "u.s.s. mcfaul," i commanded a sister ship, "u.s.s. barry," and

this incident rattled old ghosts in the arabian gulf. 35 years ago, the u.s. navy sunk a number of iranian warships. first time we'd sunk warships since the second world war, after iran tried to close the strait of hormuz with mines. this will not end well for iran. >> admiral, pan out for our viewers who aren't engaged with the particulars, because you described or talked about several incidents that made my gut go -- what does this mean about the state o the world. things end well, yes, given our power, but what does it say about where we are in the state of things around the globe. >> great question. we are on a collision course between the authoritarian states, russia, iran, china, north korea, and the democracies. look no further than the nato summit that's coming up. no, we don't want to end up,

professor, in a confrontational world in every corner. on the other hand, we want and need alliances. together, we are stronger. we can stand in the face of these challenges. >> admiral, we also want to get your response to breaking news this morning. the president of belarus, lukashenko, not the most reliable narrater, but he spoke to reporters, something he rarely does, and said prigozhin, head of the wagner group, not in belarus. he had traveled back to russia. what is your read on that? what does that mean for prigozhin and put p at this moment? >> walking over here, i think i saw prigozhin on fifth avenue. >> yeah. >> i think prigozhin is about to become the elvis has left the building meme. but here's the point, we don't know. is it possible that putin somehow will welcome this creature back into his inner circle? i suppose it's possible. my money says he's back there

for further investigation and a trip to prison to unpack the events of the prigozhin rebellion. more to follow on that one. it is a fascinating story. >> katty? >> admiral, let's talk about the summit that's coming up. you, of course, served as supreme allied commander of nato. there will be pressure, particularly from the lithuanians and baltic states, to say, "listen, let's bring ukraine into nato." i've started to hear an argument from outside of the baltic, but from other european countries, "hold on a second, ukraine is now one of the best armed countries in europe. are we better off having them in nato where we can keep an eye on them and they can be part of the club than having them outside nato? actually, it may be more dangerous to have them outside the camp." are you hearing the argument, and do you think there is any chance ukraine gets fast tracked into nato? >> i am hearing that argument, katty. i would say, at this point, they are pretty close to the top of

the land armies in europe. but until they have an air force and effective navy, i'm not worried about ukraine. on the other hand, i think the stack of arguments to bring them in, to fast track them, is growing fast. i, for one, would say, let's put them on a track, a membership action plan that has some real dates assigned to it. because, at this point, the other arguments about escalation and annoying russia don't seem to hold a lot of water. can i make one other comment about something i'm very hopeful of at that summit? it's not ukraine coming in, it's sweden. we are at the moment where turkey and hungary need to release the hold that they've put on sweden's membership. that's why the swedish prime minister was in the white house this week. it's time to bring those vikings, the swedes, into the alliance. >> does that feel inevitable at this point, that they'll be there? >> it does. believe me, it's a good thing.

the swedes, although a nation of only 5 million, have highly capable armed forces, terrific, for example, fighters. the frighters were under my command in libya. i'd be scared to try what they do in a u.s. navy hornet. >> like the fins before them. james stavridis covering a ton of ground this morning. nobody better at it. admiral, thanks. good to see you. coming up, last week's supreme court rulings met with criticism on the left, but are they as unpopular as democrats say they are? polling suggestions the new decisions are not out of step with the thinking of the american public. we'll dig into those numbers ahead on "morning joe." what if your entire day glided like dove men? it's made with a plant-based moisturizer

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oh my goodness, what a beautiful shot. 6:45 on a thursday morning. that's niagara falls on the u.s. side. the white powdery substance in a dime-sized bag at the white house is indeed cocaine. the bag was in a highly trafficked guest lobby in the west wing, prompting a brief evacuation, according to an official. the secret service is investigating to determine who brought the drugs into the west wing. agents will review footage from cameras, as well as entrants logs. it'll be examined for dna and fingerprints, according to a secret service official. the investigation is expected to last two weeks. however, it may be complicated by the heavy traffic the area often sees, as well as the blurry timeline surrounding when the bag appeared. john, putting all the theories

aside about what's going on here, it is a little stunning, is it not, somebody had the gall to bring a bunch of blow into the white house? >> stunning, to be sure, and it's become a right-wing talking point. you can imagine who they think is responsible. press secretary said they'd get to the bottom of it, but the west wing lobby, there are a lot of people coming and going. if you have appointments anywhere in the building, you check in there. there is a theory perhaps this happened -- the president and his family were away this weekend. on friday, the president was leaving for camp david, his departure was delayed. often, friday afternoons are the moment where tours are given of the white house. over the weekend, staffers bring in groups, showing them around. sometimes you have to surrender your cell phones. it is possible, one person in the white house said to me, this simply fell out of someone's pocket, or the person realized they had it on them and quicly

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alonzo and julio rodriguez. alonzo, after winning the previous two derbies, was knocked off last year in the semis by rodriguez, then a rookie. that should be fun. last night, the washington nationals, this is amazing, asked the umpire to check the bat of cincinnati reds rookie sensation de la cruz in the fifth inning, questioning the legality of covering on the bat's knob. officials had him remove it for the at-bat, and here's how he responded at the plate. >> de la cruz trying to add to it. he crushes, upper deck right center. >> they asked to check his bat, and then he does that. de la cruz with a massive solo home run to extend cincinnati's lead. check this out. a little peek into the washington dugout. the reds went on to beat the nats, 9-2. boy, john, you have to love this kid.

i mean, most of the country is just getting introduced to him. he is the most fun, young player in the game right now. >> an absolute phenom. he's not only hitting over .300 with power, as we saw there, he has blazing speed. he is the fastest base runner in the league right now. he has a cannon of an arm. 6'5", plays shortstop, and he is the linchpin of this reds team that has surged atop the national league central. they're the most fun team in baseball right now. it's great to see. that's a good baseball town, finally getting to cheer on a winner. >> he has charisma. >> the bat tap there. >> rookie, too. i like his style. a scary moment at yankees stadium involving a member of the yes network broadcast crew covering the game against the orioles. fifth inning, throw strikes a cameraman in the head. game delayed 20 minutes as the yankees medical team tended to the camera operator before he was carted off the field.

after the game, did say the cameraman was conscience, undergoing tests at a hospital. 6-3, yankees won, but it didn't seem important. we got a signal from the camera operator when he was wheeled off and gave a thumbs up to the crowd. there it is, the peace sign. you see a little bit of good news there. hope he is okay this morning. coming up next, at the top of the hour, it took just hours for millions of users to sign up for the new social media app, posing a challenge to twitter. professor eddie glaude already on this thing. he'll give an update on the platform from meta, when "morning joe" comes right back.

those lawsuits in terms of the presidency are not discipline performances and losses, they're real. they happened. there is no doubt about it, no way around it.

and the case can be made that he's a loser. since elected in 2016, he's compiled a string of them, he or his supported candidates have lost too many races. right now, people are voting their hearts. they're voting for the -- they tend to vote in primaries for the candidates they feel closest to or, you know, they'd like to see president. they're not voting about who they think could get elected. that may come back to haunt the republican party in 2024. look at the democrats and what they think of the race. they think trump is going to win the nomination, and they think biden be beat him because he did beat him. >> the case can be made that he is a loser. the words of fox news analyst brit hume, with the assessment yesterday of donald trump's political track record the last several years. it's an opinion shared by consecutive group backed by charles koch. the group is out with an attack

ad against donald trump. >> ask yourself, is it worth the risk? america is struggling because of joe biden's policies, but with donald trump, republicans lost the house, lost the white house and the senate, and we've lost our chance to capitalize on biden's devastating record. if donald trump is the gop nominee, we could lose everything. the house, the senate, the white house. it's time to look to a new leader, unless we are willing to risk it all. >> katty kay, jonathan lemire, eddie glaude jr. still with us. joining the conversation, our good friend, msnbc contributor mike barnicle. editorial board of "the washington post" mara gay. and host of "on brand with donny deutsch," donny deutsch. this is fantastic. >> great. >> great to have everyone here. eddie, as you watch that ad, does all this feeling about donald trump, some of it within the republican party expressed

by the koch group, that we have to move past this guy, does it amount to anything if so many people are still in his thrall? look at the poll numbers, when he is indicted, numbers go up, up by 30, 40 points over ron desantis. does it mean anything? even with the kochs and their influence, does it mean anything? >> we have to add a prepositional phrase, does it mean anything for the republican primary. >> right, that's what i meant. >> it seems to me, in terms of the base voters that define, that are active within the context of the republican primary, i'm not sure. we heard in the first segment, early hour, 6:00 hour, mike pence faced with the question in iowa. we have folks who still believe that donald trump is still the president. we have folks who still believe in the big lie. i don't know if this is going to get any traction among those voters. >> it is also a digital ad, not much release. the koch brothers haven't poured money into this yet. we'll see if it changes.

they are giving voice to the belief that some republicans had for a while. they feel like, look, as has been mentioned on this show from time to time, donald trump and the republican party has on a losing streak. i won't go through the years. >> no one has ever done it on this show. >> someone should look into it. that's why there has been hope to rally around an alternative to trump. it points to the worries about ron desantis. he was the guy that so many thought would be, and his campaign has done nothing but sputter to this point. his poll numbers are slipped. >> so far, mara, it's hope. it's this idea that some great alternative will show up. maybe it'll be ron desantis. now, be glenn youngkin jump in the race? they're hoping somebody can unseat donald trump. >> the thing that is amusing to me about this is that you really see kind of the invisible hand in the koch brothers ad of donors in the republican party, extremely wealthy individuals who have their own separate agenda and have said, we'll give

control to whoever can deregulate and give us more money. there is a gulf between them and the trump supporter who says, trump is my guy. trump understands me. i am trump. some people in the country feel they, too, haven't had a win in a long time. does that necessarily mean they're going to give up on their candidate that they still see trump as their guy? i don't know. i think there is a disconnect in the everyday lives and interests between republican donors and the republican base. we'll see if this resonates with them or not. >> donny, eddie makes the distinction, we're talking about the primary here. does it matter in the primary? maybe not. many of the supporters are buying the witch hunt argument. the idea here is to win a general election and return to the white house. certainly among independent voters, this stuff hurts donald trump. >> it doesn't seem to matter. once again, first of all, if you can say something is wrong with this product and there is a

losing proposition, and you mentioned this, you have to give them an alternative. the alternatives they've seen so far, they're not doing it. there's nothing going to change a week from now, month from now, three months from now. they're going to take the 50% that are more donald trump and move to the 25% that are ron desantis. yes, there is a possibility of a newcomer coming in, glenn youngkin is the guy, but i don't know how many times on this show we've seen, okay, here is the new goal line, it'll change things. these people are dug in. it is something so much deeper than trump. it is a belief system. it's a screw the elites. i don't think a person will come along and kind of unratchet that and turn the spigot. i think trump is the guy. >> the more people come for that, the harder they are in their support, trump is our guy. the campaign for governor desantis is, quote, in array.

donald trump wrote, ron desanctimonious is getting demolished. no crowds, no interest. he is hurting himself badly for 2028, wrote donald trump. meanwhile, governor desantis is supporting a video with past tweets and comments by trump and the legislation desantis has signed in the state of florida. >> i will do everything in my power to protect our lgbtq citizens. >> if jenner were to walk into trump tower and use the bathroom, you'd be fine with her using any bathroom she chooses? >> that is correct. >> in the future, can transgender woman compete in miss universe? >> yes. >> make america great again. >> psych!

♪♪ >> donny deutsch. >> yeah?extraordinaire, what am i looking at here? >> the answer is, well, first of all, desantis is flailing. he is trying to continually move to the right of trump. this lgbtq thing is just -- do you think this is moving voters? are you -- to peg trump as a patron of this group, you know, as an ad guy, there is one thing i learned over the years, people aren't stupid. i don't know the voter that will see that and go, you know, desantis, you're my guy. desantis is a dark, dark, dark character. i've talked a lot about it on the show, how at the end of the day, candidate trump, even though, you know, we eviscerate

him and there is a likability if you are a trump guy about him, he is entertaining, a lounge act, this and that. this guy is just dark. the prince of darkness. that is one of the darkest, most bizarre, twisted, deviant ads i've ever seen. >> he was defending it yesterday. bipartisan backlash to the video, by the way, many calling it homophobic. governor desantis calling it fair game. >> i think, you know, identifying donald trump as really being a pioneer in injecting gender ideology into the mainstream, where he was having men compete against women in his beauty pageants, that is fair game. he is now campaigning saying the opposite, that he doesn't think that you should have men competing in women's things like athletics. we have been very clear on it, that we believe in protecting the rights of our girls and the rights of women athletes, to be able to participate with fairness and with integrity.

>> in response to those remarks, a trump campaign spokesman said a desperate desantis campaign is in the last throes. he is playing small ball and picking on these issues. he is trying to win a national election right now, and he is going after regressive things and leaning into his anti-woke agenda. i'm sure that works with a small group of supporters, and a lot of people in the country it may resonate with, but you're not supposed to preach to the choir. >> like he went to the heritage foundation or something. i don't know who he thinks this is resonating with. it's not. the ad itself, a couple people said this, it is kind of homo erotic. there is something odd to begin with. of course, i really feel strongly that, you know, men who

are secure in their masculinity don't feel the need to shout about it from the rooftops everywhere they go and denigrate others. it's small minded. it makes him look small. and it's embarrassing. sometimes when you see open hate like that, the best thing you can do is condemn it but also, you know, knock it down a few pegs. this is just really silly. i mean, i can't imagine what americans will see and have this change their mind. it might motivate democratic voters to start paying attention. i think if that is what he succeeded in, that may be what we're looking at. >> i'm smiling because i'm remembering a gay friend of mine saying, was that an anti-gay ad? i'm seeing brad pitt flexing and -- >> if donny doesn't get it, nobody gets it in an ad. former vice president mike pence now is running, of course,

again to seek the white house. he is trying to set the record straight with voters about what he could and could not do on january 6th. during a meet and greet in iowa yesterday, pence defended himself after a woman falsely claimed he had the constitutional power to block the certification of the 2020 election results. >> if it wasn't for your vote, we would not have joe biden in the white house. joe biden shouldn't be there. do you ever second guess yourself? that was a constitutional right you had to send those votes back to the states. >> let me speak to the issue because i think it's -- it's an issue that continues to be misunderstood. i know by god's grace i did exactly what the constitution of the united states required of me that day. states conduct our elections. you never want to let washington, d.c., run elections. you certainly would never want one person in washington, d.c., to decide who the president of

the united states is. constitution affords no authority to the vice president or anyone else to reject votes or return votes to the states. never been done before. should never be done in the future. sorry, ma'am, but that is actually what the constitution says. president trump is wrong about my authority that day, and he's still wrong. >> talking about donald trump saying he was wrong about my authority that day, and he is still wrong. after that event in iowa, pence was asked by reporters about getting the truth out to republican voters, like the one who confronted him there. while others, namely donald trump, continued to push the big lie. >> this is an issue where we've got to take our case to folks that, frankly, have been told something different about what happened that day. i have great confidence in republican voters, the people in our movement love our constitution. the opportunity to make the case clearly on what the constitution

says is something i always welcome. >> mike barnicle, you have mike pence out there again. he's done this many times before. going out and explaining calmly to a voter why everything she has heard online, everything she has been told on the shows she watches and the politicians she follows, why it's not true. why there were 60 some cases adjudicated in the courts that said 2020 was a free and fair election. there was no, you know, wrongdoing in trying to give it to joe biden. that was one voter. it is an uphill climb. not clear if he convinced her of anything, but at least he is out there doing it. >> you know, willie, the past eight to ten minutes of this discussion has been extraordinarily depressing. it portrays the state of american politics largely conducted by one party, the republican party in this country. it makes you wonder, whatever happened to ronald reagan's

slogan in '80 or '84, when he attempted to put a smile on america's face. morning in america. now, the republican party tries in each and every candidate to put a scowl on america's face. it is midnight in america for the republicans. america is at its end. the diminishment of america is obvious to everyone, they tell us. the lights are about to go out on our democracy, they continue to tell us. they have all these contrived ads, sanctimonious ad you just showed. several candidates, they can't wait to out-negative the other candidate on a stage, platform or a q&a. you keep wondering, when is america and when are americans going to say, what is wrong where these people? what has happened to this country in the sense of what the republicans have done to this country. you canmaga judges,

the judge that voided the amendment. take the comments of any of the candidates, and they have something negative to say about the country. attacking the fbi, attacking the department of justice, attack the american military. we're wrong to be in ukraine, to stand up for democracy and for the liberty and the freedom of a specific country in europe, ukraine. they're against all of that, and the darkness is solely starting to develop, all the political talk we hear and show each and every morning on this program and other programs. i prefer to talk about de la cruz, shohei ohtani and the upcoming all-star game, but that's not our reality. >> we'll get to that, mike, don't worry. >> or wimbledon and talk about that, which is not going so badly. far be it from me, it is not usually my role, but let me try to bring some optimism into the conversation. first of all, there was

something that reminded me in the interchange with mike pence, not about exchange itself but the virtue of iowa, where you get political candidates, people running for president of the biggest economy and military in the world, actually up close with voters. we're going to miss that if iowa starts dropping off the table because it's the only place you ever hear it. also, some of this is not resonating. 2020, mike pence is being asked about it because he had a role in it. i'm not hearing that many of the other candidates talk about the fact that 2020 was a stolen election. the anti-woke platform that ron desantis seems to be running on, it's not resonating. it's a pretty slim group of people who he is appealing to. in some ways, there's a load of other things going on in the republican election, and they're moving their grievances and donald trump is moving his grievances over to the legal side, but some of this, you know, you can get glimmers of

hope in some of the stories we've covered this story. otherwise, okay, let's talk about wimbledon. >> mike? >> well, you know, glimmers of hope, yes, i do agree, katty, but they're few and far between. it is a multiplicity of problems. one of the things is they are naturally attracted in the news media to, unfortunately, the negative, more often than not. often, there is more negative, sadly, than there is that is positive. there's a million positive stories in this country each and every day, but there is an old newspaper adage, you're not putting on the front page, "someone had a good day yesterday." you'll put on what happened yesterday. following the news of politics each and every day can be enormously depressing. it is, in my case, sometimes diminishes the natural hope that i have for the future, for my

grandchildren's future, for our future, because of the reality of what we discuss each and every day. well, we have more news on the supreme court rulings handed down last week. one of them on affirmative action, another on student loan forgiveness, and a case that allows businesses to refuse service to lgbtq americans if they have a religious objection. conservatives in congress and across the country applauded the decisions. democrats on capitol hill united against them. polling, perhaps, is less cut and dry. "the washington post" poll late last year showed 63% of americans were against considering race in college admissions. only 36% agree with that idea. for the ruling on refusing lgbtq people services, results are widely based on how the poll's question is asked. from a pew poll, 60% of american adults said they were in favor of a business refusing to provide service in situations where it could suggest support for lgbtq issues for which they have a religious objection.

in a recent nbc news poll that asked if voters supported the president's student loan forgiveness plan, it showed 44% say it was a bad idea, versus 43% in favor. let's bring in director of polling at the institute of politics at harvard university, john della volpe, author of the book titled "fight, how gen-z is channelling their fear and passion to save america. "that's now out in paper back. good morning. you have new polling for us today. what are some of your takeaways about how young people are feeling about what's happening at the supreme court and beyond? >> thanks, willie, for having me. yes, this is a review of a couple of decades of polling we've been conducting at the harvard institute of politics. essentially, when i look at younger voters, 18 to 29-year-olds, mostly gen-z, keep in mind, 18 to 29-year-olds with their older millennial brothers and sisters will be about 40% of the electorate. when i look at this cohort today

compared to this place in the 2020 cycle, i find that younger people are less likely to vote, they're less likely to identify as democrat, they are less likely to follow the news, and they are less likely, importantly, to believe the politics make a tangible difference in the country and in their lives individually. >> that's just a frustration with the system that they have watched since they were born fail them again and again there so many ways. what is your sense of the way the supreme court decisions, john, may impact the energy to go out and vote, the energy to become active in the process? >> willie, i think the combination of the supreme court and the republican congress, we talk about baseball, it's like a hanging curveball over the play for democrats. democrats need to idea that and to take advantage of that. this is just the second year in a row where younger people continue to feel under attack. a year ago, of course, we know it's a third of women losing --

a third of women in individual states losing control over their reproductive health. today, we see attacks on members of the lgbtq community. we see it more difficult for working class and people of color to attend college, et cetera, et cetera. it's one attack after another. that is just by the supreme court. earlier, you talked about what's happening in florida and other places like that, as well, in terms of this generation really responding, i think, hopefully, to kind of stand up and get the bats of those who are more vulnerable, even more than themselves. >> mara, last year, we saw a seismic shift after the dobbs decision, completely energizing women, in particular, young women, to vote in the midterm elections and changing the face of our politics. >> yeah. one of the questions i have looking at that data is whether there's anything that can actually bring some of those voters back. i mean, you saw higher turnout in states like be michigan, where abortion was a direct

ballot issue. is that something not only democrats but those who support women's right to choose, for example, need to look at? democratic party should be looking at the data and be concerned. it also puts that question to the white house. what can this president really do about the loan forgiveness, failure at scotus? there are a lot of americans who are extremely demoralized by that decision. that's exactly the kind of group you want to show up at the polls. remember, there is a close alignment between college voters and democrats at this point. excuse me, college -- people with a college degree and democrats. i think, you know, there's a lot to parse through. i don't think the voters are moving to the republican party, they're becoming inactive. the larger question of what it says about our politics is pretty depressing, as we've been saying this morning. some depressing news. there's not much trust in the

system, and this is a generation of kids, of young people, who have been failed, as you said, by the failure of gun control, climate change, and now the collapse of the democratic coalition, it seems, or the risk of it, with the rise of fascism. it is suppressing times. we need those voters back in this system. we need a competitive system. you can't just lose a generation of voters. >> think about it, just think about what has happened between the midterms and now, right? during the midterms, we think about wisconsin, michigan and the role of young voters, particularly in wisconsin. in some places we were saying on this show that young folk helped save our democracy. when i look at your numbers, john, i see the percentage of young people, black, hispanic and white, who are disappointed in president biden's performance. what is the relationship between what we saw in the midterms, that kind of energy, and these

sorts of numbers? it's not like it is two, three or five years ago. it's just the midterms. help us understand these disapproval numbers with regards to the biden administration. >> eddie, what we first need to understand, without younger people, there isn't a biden administration. it was young people, in particular in the five battleground states in 2020, similar approach in 2022, which made the difference in state after state after state. essentially, a method of this research is past results are no guarantee of future returns. democrats need to take this seriously and talk about the tangible differences the biden administration has made. i don't believe there has been an agenda in my lifetime that has more youth forward than the biden agenda. look at bipartisan support for gun safety legislation, couple generations, hasn't happened since then. look at the record low employment in 17 states, i think, and a variety of other

things, like the significant investment climate, but they're not feeling it on a day-to-day basis. that's the concern. when i look at the significant news in philadelphia on 95, i mean, that helps young people in particular get to work, spend time with their families, helps people get back to work in terms of deliveries. that specifically isn't just about building infrastructure. it's about impacting day-to-day lives. that is the message that needs delivered, not just from the president but everyone down to dogcatcher. >> john, you work with gen-z, millenials all the time. if you were speaking to the biden campaign, to democrats, where would you tell them they need their emphasis to get them energized to vote next year? >> whenever i'm invited to talk with democrats, i bring my students with me and let them answer the questions. that's something we need to do more of. we need to have younger people at the table. more than that, it's basically a

two-step process to engage young people in voting. it is not just persuasion. it's about connecting with values and building the infrastructure around the importance politics can make. i believe we've had a party that's delegitimized the process, delegitimized politics, and we have to improve that to make a difference. >> director of polling at the institute of politics at harvard university, john della volpe, we appreciate it. this will be an emphasis for the biden campaign as they turn to the new year. they have to get this young coalition of voters to the polls. >> they know it. they were able to in '20. democrats were able to for the most part in '22. donny, this looms large, and the word is enthusiasm m. that's something democrats are getting anxious about. we see polls that show young voters are disenchanted with the process. they've seen blow after blow handed down by the supreme court and other institutions saying, this is not how i feel about things like abortion or gun

rights or climate change or affirmative action or student loans. the list goes on and on. we have seen polls suggest that democrats, a number of them who like president biden and think he's done a good job, aren't sure they want him to run again. that includes young voters and voters of color. for the structural advantages a president has, seeking a re-election, the fear is democrats might not be enthusiastic enough, especially the swing voters, to come out again. if it is donald trump on the other side, his base is going to be enthusiastic. there will be passion. they'll turn out. is it risky for democrats to say, if trump is the nominee, voters will be enthusiastic to turn out against him, rather than for what we're offering. >> that's where the passion is. it is certainly not for joe biden. you know, when we talk to our contemporaries, i'm 56 years old, talk about biden, what is the first concern? age. now, imagine you're a 25-year-old voter.

you're saying, wait a minute, purely based on that, this is my country. we'll have an 80-year-old or 82-year-old running the country? the age thing, as you know, this is not something complicated, further down, younger and younger, ages become more of an issue. there is no surprise when you look for enthiasm isn't there. will trump rule the day? yes, no passion for biden, specifically as he's not getting younger. >> it's not a fantasy camp, you can't pick the candidate out of the air. it is a side by side comparison, you pick one over the other. joe biden is it if you're a young democrat. >> policy can overcome some of this, not with every voter. joe biden, own your age, be the coolest grandfather america can imagine, and say, you know, i

care about my grandkids, the future, and he does this pretty well, actually, get him out there talking about passing the torch. what will he do for this young generation he can actually, you know, oversee from the white house? make him look cooler than scotus. that's the best bet at this point. there is room to play if their creative. >> mara gay and danny deutsch, great to have you. thanks, guys. ahead, this week marked some of the hottest days recorded on the planet. the heat wave isn't letting up. we'll go live to houston where texans have been weathering the triple digits for a long time. plus, we'll check in at chicago o'hare international airport to see what passengers can expect this morning after thousands of flight cancellations following the fourth of july holiday. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back.

man, that's a beautiful summer day in new york city. 7:33 in the morning. this morning, 29 million americans are waking up to absolutely blistering temperatures, with huge swaths of the country now under heat emergencies. and the dangerously hot weather not just hurting people here at home. global temperatures have hit record-breaking highs across the globe over the last few days. joining us from houston, nbc news correspondent priscilla thompson. good morning. temperature there, i understand, recently hit triple digits in parts of texas. >> yeah, willie, good morning. it is going to be another hot and humid day here. families will undoubtedly be flocking to parks like this one to try to get the kids out of the house for the summer while also staying cool amid these blistering temperatures. >> reporter: an astonishing milestone this week. monday and tuesday, the hottest days ever recorded on earth. here in the u.s., americans feeling the brutal summer heat

firsthand. over 20 million under heat alerts today. >> it's really hot, really humid. >> central florida reaching a triple digit heat index wednesday. >> it's so hot. i want to move out of florida. my body is not made for this weather. >> reporter: local emergency managers putting extreme weather plans in place. >> last year, we activated the plan twice, and it was only for a couple days. it's now been active for over a week. >> reporter: connecticut's governor activating statewide extreme weather protocols to protect residents sarasota, el paso and portland seeing highs wednesday. in tucson, arizona, it was 107 degrees. summer has only just begun. >> parks with sprinklers. we carry a lot of water. we spray them down all day. >> reporter: the sweltering heat is already in full force. >> drink a lot of gatorade, water, stay hydrated.

>> reporter: temps spiking with the global record. even with half the world in winter, the average global temperature at 62.6 degrees monday. 62.9 on tuesday. climate experts warning this is not a milestone to celebrate. >> we're pushing our ecosystems and our climate into a different place than it has been for the entirety of human civilization, and that is alarming. >> reporter: all as americans are bracing for more historically hot days ahead this summer. sadly, overnight, we learned of another heat-related death just incredibly tragic. in addition to the heat, there are also 24 million people under air quality alerts right now in the northeast and the midwest. some potentially good news, we may start seeing more seasonal temperatures in the next couple days. folks may be able to get out this weekend and enjoy a milder

temperature as they enjoy the weak end. >> we'll let you get inside and get some a/c. brutal heat. meanwhile, there were flight cancellations and delays over the weekend. joining us from chicago o'hare international airport, nbc news correspondent shaquille brewster. shaq, good morning. what is the latest there? >> reporter: good morning, willie. i always like to be able to talk about some good news every once and a while. that's what we're looking at right now. positive trends in terms of airline travel. you see behind me, it's a busy day at o'hare airport, but things are moving efficiently, smoothly. unfortunately, that's not the case for everyone. i'm looking down at the latest numbers. right now, delays about 630 so far and about 89 cancellations. those numbers are far improved to what you have been seeing over the past couple days. you're looking at your screen right now. yesterday, 7,000 delays, 494

cancellations. as for the why, why are we dealing with these issues, there's a lot of factors involved. here in chicago, chicago's o'hare airport specifically, you saw one in every three flights yesterday departing late, much to do with the storms we saw in the overnight hours, in the evening hours. you also have airlines admitting that part of this is operational issues among airlines. that's something that united cited last week. the weather contributes to that. unions are saying it takes too long to reschedule flight attendants, that there are staffing delays in the process. in addition, you have airlines pointing at the faa. we know there are still staffing shortages, especially among air traffic controllers. when you throw in the factors, it leads to those concerning conditions. the good thing, things are improving and moving in the right direction. if we learned anything from this past week of record-breaking

travel, we know that folks should be ready to wait if they come to the airport. we know that travel is back. willie? >> we hope so. i know it's brutal out there. our regular reminder, be nice to your flight crew. they're not the ones holding up the brewster in chicago, thank you. we appreciate it. coming up, the leaders of the wagner mercenary group that left russia following a short-lived rebellion is said to be back inside the country. keir simmons joins us with a live report from belarus, next on "morning joe." bare my skin, thanks to skyrizi. ♪(uplifting music)♪ ♪nothing is everything♪ i'm celebrating my clearer skin... my way. with skyrizi, 3 out of 4 people achieved 90% clearer skin at 4 months. in another study, most people had 90% clearer skin, even at 5 years. and skyrizi is just 4 doses a year, after 2 starter doses. serious allergic reactions

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simmons. you attended a press conference this morning. what'd you take away from it? >> reporter: that's right. nbc news was invited to the presidential palace in belarus to take part in those questions to president lukashenko. a man described by many as the last dictator in europe, a close ally of president putin. as you outlined, what he said will mystify many around the world because he says yevgeny prigozhin, that leader of that mutiny in russia, is still in russia, that he is a free man, and he says that he and his wagner fighters may never move to belarus, as had been planned. this morning, at his presidential palace, international journalists questioning the president of belarus, aleksandr lukashenko, for the first time since he says he helped russia avoid a civil war. the authoritarian leader brokering a truce between president putin and mercenary leader yevgeny prigozhin. lukashenko offering prigozhin

exile in his country. after almost two weeks, mystery still surrounds that deal. >> translator: where is he this morning? he could have gone to moscow or maybe somewhere else, but he's not on the territory of belarus. >> reporter: prigozhin has been heard but not seen. only releasing unverified audio messages. these images released by the russian news outlet appeared to show prigozhin's house in st. petersburg searched by russian police. there's a prayer room, guns and fake passports and a sledgehammer resting against the wall. nbc news cannot confirm whether the images are authentic. we flew to belarus over the caspian sea. i just arrived in belarus, a country that still has a kgb, yet i just walked through without any questions. president lukashenko clearly wants to talk to us. on the drive to minsk, posters celebrate the belarus international security services,

but there are no visible mentions of the wagner mercenary group. these satellite images released by "the associated press" show a camp being built at a former military base here. nbc news can't verify the images or what the area is being used for. the suggestion is it'll house prigozhin's soldiers. but lukashenko stayed in power, and freedom in the small communist country is severely curtailed, with opposition and journalists jailed. some people i spoke to are open about their opposition to prigozhin moving to their country. bad? >> sure. >> reporter: don't like it? >> everyone feels the same but may be afraid to tell this. >> keir, a fascinating trip, amazing to bet back inside there and have that access to president lukashenko. there is some speculation about prigozhin, that if vladimir putin wants to do away with him,

he's got to -- before he wants to get rid of prigozhin, he has to get the wagner assets. if you're going to kind of kill the head of the group, you need the armies that are in ukraine, the assets that are in africa, all those money-making capacities around the world. what do you make of what prigozhin's future is and all of the infrastructure of the wagner group? >> reporter: yeah, the thing is, katty, and i've said this so many times it is almost boring, but we just don't know. i think what we just heard today is evidence of the fact that this is a -- there were twists and turns here there are really unpredictable. one aspect of that, lukashenko told us in the news conference today, he says on that saturday, the day of the mutiny, there were seven russian ministry of defense aircrafts here, ready to carry troops to moscow to defend that city. so that suggests that the phone

call between lukashenko and president putin was one where president putin was negotiating for either russian troops here or even russian and belarus troops to go to moscow to defend that city. i asked lukashenko whether, in that conversation, that was where he said, "hold on a moment, let me try to see if i can negotiate and do something about this." what that tells you is that, in many ways, i think, things have been, you know, kind of made up as they go along. these have been fast-moving events for the kremlin, for president lukashenko here. let me read one quote of lukashenko because he was asked directly about what katty was asking. it is something. he says, "if you think mr. putin will kill prigozhin somewhere, that will not happen." >> i guess that remains to be seen, doesn't it? nbc's keir simmons, fascinating report from minsk in belarus. thank you so much.

a russian missile strike overnight has killed at least four people in the western part of ukraine. ukrainian officials are calling it the worst attack on civilian infrastructure in the region since the war began. video shows destroyed buildings as rescuers search through the debris for survivors. meanwhile, russia is blaming ukraine for several drone attacks in the area around moscow early tuesday, including near an airport. the russian defense ministry says four of the drones flying in the city were shot down by air defense systems. a fifth was intercepted by electronic jamming before it crashed. the attack prompted authorities to briefly restrict flights at one of moscow's airports. ukraine has not claimed responsibility for those drones. as our next guest writes, drones are at the heart of precision fire. this and other technology have changed the face of war in the 21st century, showing the, quote, paradox of the war, that mass and technology are bound

together. the editor at "the economist," the piece, "the war in ukraine shows how technology is changing the battlefield." thank you for joining us. i'll let you flush out the point you make in the piece, which is that drones, although they are called precision drones generally, are not always so precise, what are some examples that you've seen out there? >> good morning, thank you so much for having me. i think that the most important lesson of those that i've written is that we are seeing technologies of sensing that were beyond what we could have imagined 30, 40 years ago. you have drones that are filling the skies over the battlefields in ukraine. i was there a few weeks ago, i was told that above bakhmut the peak of the battle for the eastern city, there were about 50 drones in the sky on both sides. you of course have satellite, you have radars, you have all sorts of other senses. what this means is that you

have a battlefield that is increasingly transparent. it is getting increasingly difficult for anyone on the ground, any vehicle, any tank, any truth, to survive and move without being seen, and without being struck. i think that has profound implications for how armies have to adapt. they have to hide, they have to disperse, they have to learn how to dig trenches again. they have to learn how to practice radio silence to avoid given away their location. ultimately, these drones, and other forms of surveillance, are being sticks together using digital networks with artillery and other weapons to create these trains that can strike targets within minutes or seconds. that is a really fundamental shift. the main point of this report is. that it doesn't mean that wars becoming bloodless or sterile, ultimately it's increasing attrition and casualties.

>> so given the fact that the method of war is to destroy our country and we are which dissing this destruction piece by piece of ukraine, there is a move within ukrainian military leadership to want to attack within russia itself. what is the level of sophistication of drone capability that ukrainians possess? could they attack moscow from ukraine consistently and effectively? >> i think your last two words are absolutely critical because of course, they have attacked moscow, there's no doubt in my mind that the strikes we saw in moscow, including on the kremlin, were orchestrated by ukrainian military intelligence. i think that's highly likely. i have to say, given the size of those drones, given the payload, the amount of explosives they could carry, they were relatively symbolic. they had a symbolic function of

showing that russia couldn't protect its own capital city. they didn't have a substantial military effect. the irony for the ukrainians, for the difficulty, is that the most capable systems in their possession, things like the american high mass rocket launchers, or the storm shadow cruise missile provided to ukraine by the united kingdom, they are not allowed to use the systems to attack russian soil. if they want to be able to insistently attack russian strategic targets as they have done, not just moscow but also air bases, they airbase, for instance, they need much longer range drones with much heavier payload. the role of drones in this war right now is not the strike drones, the explosive drones. that's happening, but the main role of drones is to provide the eyes and ears of artillery which they have been much greater volumes, and much greater quantities. >> a fascinating look at what you called data driven war.

defense editor at the economists shashank joshi thank you for being, here we appreciate it. we were talking about this new app that veterans out yesterday. you are expert on the matter because you subscribe to threads. it's supposed to be a rival to twitter. it's become a bit of a mess the last several months, just as a user experience, forget the business side of that. tell us about threats. >> it's a lot like the twitter platform so you don't have to engage in a kind of high learning curve to figure out how to use it. it has the benefit of migrating your instagram platform or profile over to, it so you're not building from scratch. i just started. all these things i'm skeptical of in subways. we've see what is happening to twitter so i think a lot of folks are looking for alternative platforms. >> the launches well-timed of

twitters meltdown over the weekends. there was speculation as to what was behind it. elon musk put together weight limits, which took the social media company trying to get its customers to spend less time on the social media app or site, which makes zero business sense whatsoever. this is not it, there is more to it. my question is, is it a wreaths threat? is that what we do in terms of retweet? there are more users than truth social. >> as i said, i need less social media my life, not more. even withdrawing from the ones that are already there for the most part. i don't think it will be joining threads. if it's as good is anti-clots as it is, maybe i will have to consider leaving my space. that's still where i get most of my news. >> you're still up my space guy? knapp center? >> coming up, studios in hollywood are banking on the slate of upcoming blockbusters. some really good movies coming out this summer. to make up for an inconsistent

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have joe biden in the white house. that was a constitutional right that you had to send those votes back to the states. >> the states conduct our elections. you never want to let washington d.c. run elections. we provide no authority, the vice president or anyone else, to return those those to the states. hasn't been before, should never be done in the future.

i'm sorry, ma'am, that's actually what the constitution says. president trump is wrong about my authority that day, and it's still wrong. >> that is former vice president, mike pence, and iowa yesterday, defending himself after a woman falsely claimed that he had the constitutional power to block the certification of the 2020 election results. a calm takedown of that conspiracy theory. good morning, welcome to morning joe. it's thursday, july. six with us this morning, we have special correspondent for bbc news, candy cane. the host of way too early politico -- professor princeton university, an msn legal analyst, danny cevallos. danny, we have a busy morning for you just ahead. john, that was a fascinating moment at the ranch and sue stadium. a lot of us been there on the gallery trail. mike pence, for all the criticisms we've loving upon him over the last eight years or so, seven or eight years, it was sort of a measured takedown, and a point by point rebuttal.

something that really is prominent, really did take hold as you write about in your book, big lie. mike pence had the power to, quote, send it back to the states and give it election to donald trump. mike pence is right there. he did not have that power. it is a credit to him that this is from dan quayle, unlikely defender of the republic. he stood his ground that day. he resisted that pressure from donald trump, the man who he had served throughout their four years in office. he broke with them at the most important moment. the fact that he is still dealing with this two, two and a half years later, in iowa, the state where he is placed a bet on his entire campaign thinking he can do with evangelicals there, shows what -- he has, it why his poll numbers remain so low. it also demonstrates the grip that donald trump still has on his party, and that his lies have completely taken hold. they've been repeated in the conservative media ecosystem, they are on social media wherever you can find them. trump repeats them day after

day. he's still not acknowledged his defeat. it shows just how dangerous that lions. as so many republicans are still willing to believe him. >> that's the, point at. he is still so pervasive. if you are one of these republicans taking on donald trump, a republican primary, you go to iowa, south carolina, new hampshire, that's what they're facing every day. we will confront them and say, isn't donald trump actually the president? they hear that and say, how do i take on donald trump and everyone who's voted on him, there's so in the group of everything he tells them. >> it becomes very difficult to figure out how you can convince them otherwise. the facts are but they are, pence was very forthright, but did he actually convince her? that's the challenge, of course. >> that is the challenge. we'll talk more about that. there are more stories around the 2024 campaign, but we're also learning new details this morning about the search of former president donald trump's mar-a-lago golf club carried out by federal agents last year after a less redacted version of the search warrant affidavit

was made public yesterday. the newly public portions of the document reveal the federal agents connection to classified materials, told the judge the search warrant was concerned that the location is of the documents was unknown. the affidavit indicates that officials became concerned after viewing security cam footage of mar-a-lago that they obtained from trump's company. the affidavit revealed the video showed a trump employee's, since identified as an aide and former white house valet, well nada, movie boxes out of a storage area where trump's lawyers previously had acknowledged keeping classified documents. those same videos were referred to in the criminal indictments filed against trump in last month. the indictment also stated documents have been stored in another bar of locations, including trump's office, residents, a ballroom stage, and now, infamously, inside a bathroom. the federal judge in florida, who signed off on the august

search warrant, magistrate bruce wind heart said that additional information from that affidavit was made public yesterday. he denied a request by media organizations, including nbc news, that the entire affidavit be unsealed. danny, this is a search warrant that we had seen. it was heavily redacted. now we get a bit of a look inside of it because this ruling from the judge. as you look through, it was new to you besides the fact that we have this video footage of all moving the documents out of the storage facility, which is the place that trump and his aides had said it was all in there, it was all secure, we now know otherwise. >> that flushes out the indictment for us. it tells us now what we didn't know when the document was sealed, at least partially sealed, over dak, tonight should say. in fact, there are, specifically, may have been moving documents. there was this concern that we think that we know at least from what we've been told about where these documents, are they're not there. we think there are additional

documents, we've seen them on video. that makes us better understand this indictment, which alleges that trump may have misled his attorneys, his attorney took that invitation and gave it to federal investigators. by the way, for me, that is been the vindicating force the entire time. for attorneys in general, which is the idea that there was a suggestion during this investigation that trump's attorneys may have been complicit in hiding these documents. maybe as a lawyer that concern me, but i hoped and prayed that was not the case. it seems that it was not the case. it seems that from the indictment, trump misled his attorneys. his attorneys took that information and gave it to federal investigators. i can tell, you as a lawyer, every defense attorney and america could tell you a story about being laid down a path by their clients. it happens all the time. unfortunately sometimes attorneys take that information and give it to federal

investigators, law enforcement, or something else. this is something that i think we knew, the now that this is been unredacted, now we can see that the information that was concealed may have been, by trump, and by walt nauta, who is probably just carrying out orders by trump or someone close to him. >> well not a will be over each day if he cudlipp with a lawyer. this is the third attempted in arraignment. clearly he central to this case. >> that's what i want to get into, dan. as of today, he was still -- who could represent him in a florida courtroom. this would appear to be a stall tactic. we've also anticipated trump and his team would utilize. what's your sense of this? is there anything that could be done to compel him, to show up, to make this arraignment happen? what's your overarching sense of the timeline of this case? we know jack smith is the one who said, hey, let's move from august to december. there's any clear signals, we

don't to be delayed in before the december. >> couple things here. defendants will often use the higher rate in attorney as a ploy to delay, delay, delay. it works, only to a point. at some point, i don't know raman, a judge might just say, look, how the public defenders say, we need to move this case along. the arraignment, it's substantively important, but practically speaking, virtually any attorney can stand up. that includes even a public defender. if i'm a federal judge in this case, i would be very concerned about forcing a public defender on this high-profile defendant. believe me, in state court, this happens all the time. judges will not -- with these maneuvers if the client is trying to delay. on a larger point, up and say this from the beginning, watch will not end this case. yes, it may be true that he has expressed no interest in cooperating with federal investigators for federal prosecutors, but, as anyone who is prosecuted these kinds of sprawling cases will tell you,

that decision may change overtime. as this case widens on, and as the fatigue sets and, and will not a gets a better idea of what he's facing, he may change his mind about cooperation. we go for them -- if it's true that trump's footing the legal bills, are supporting him in other ways, already, by the arraignment, walt nauta is in a different position. trump has already been a. rainfall not a has yet to be arraigned because he doesn't yet have an attorney. it is well not a, and is donald trump and fine with that? is that part of the plan? is this no big deal? maybe. while not of might start thinking, hey, wait a minute. the big guy, he had a lawyer at the arraignment. he is all comforted. i haven't even been arena because they don't have a lawyer. maybe he's fine with that, okay, that's part of the plan, we're still a t, ursula joint defense agreement. we are still together, are aligned in this case. what happens down the line one

will not assert seen other disparate treatments? other broken promises were trump said that we are going to be together the entire way on this and now maybe a year from now, war still think this case will continue to be going, there's no way this case is going to trial in this calendar year, but as the months wind, on will walt nauta start thinking, this isn't the together team that i thought we were in from the beginning. maybe i will start thinking about cooperation. >> it not a still out there in staffing donald trump, by the way. they still side by side going to events and doing things together, even if they've been instructed not to speak about this case. we'll leave it to our audience to decide if donald trump will exercise that restraint. >> i thought about that too. it's pretty surreal, isn't? at the two of them spending all the time close together. you know what it's like to have them close. you've seen presidents, you see how closely. are it's kind of hard to believe they never talk about this case in this private moments, going around the golf course is something. danny, something you briefly

touched on earlier, and that's, there's walton, is there anybody else? and others only two people who have been indicted just reading through that last but that has been made public from the search warrant, having just spent, you, know a very sweaty morning moving to child out of dorm rooms, moving three or four boxes, 50 boxes get moved out, 15 back and again. what is doing all of that by himself. that sort of stretches -- we've seen the pictures of those boxes just a second ago. we can put them back up again. that's what it looks, like 50 boxes. that's an awful lot. i was just wondering if, somebody else must snow something about what's happening. >>, yes they probably do. i think it's safe to assume the walt nauta may be the only defendant we see charged with -- here my reasons for saying that. this is a long, sprawling investigation. i have to believe the when federal prosecutors indicted this case, they believe they knew everything they had to

know about every defendant they wanted to charge. this is arguably the most important federal defendant in the history of american prosecutions. you better believe that when that indictment drops they knew and they had a document to backup every single paragraph in that indictment. it wouldn't surprise me if they decided to add a new defendants superseding indictment. beyond that, to answer your question specifically, yes, i think that there were additional people who may have known more about the boxes. but, those people, when they got a phone call or a letter from federal prosecutors, they probably raced him to tell them everything that they knew. that's often the case in federal investigations. there probably are additional people who make up none more than they should have, or may have been somewhat complicit. likely it's that they cooperated with federal investigators in the government decided not to charge them. you're also gonna have people who've been following orders

like we need some of these boxes moved, then we can move the boxes, then with them around. a lot of people are minions with no actual knowledge of what they're doing. are there people within the gray area? yes, absolutely. i would expect that there are, but those maybe people who, like i said, rushed to, and talk to federal investigators, and federal investigators and prosecutions of exercise that discretion and probably just chose not to prosecute. >> andy, sometimes you take a step back and remind yourself of what the volume of evidence in this case against donald trump. you, know your photographs of the documents? you have well not a moving the documents. remembering the quote from bill barr several weeks ago worries that half of what they put in this indictment is true. donald trump is toast. that's his former attorney general. >> he seems pretty straightforward. do you say something as you were talking that struck me. with a high level of confidence that this was not going to happen in this calendar year.

>> no white, there's no way. i'll tell you why. the speedy trial acquires that starting indictment, the clock begins. all cases must be brought to trial within 70 days. now, i have about 11 footnotes of exceptions to that rule in just a standard federal case. for example, the defense starts filing motions, positive motions, motions to throw case out, the judge has to decide those motions, they have to be briefed. that could add time to the wave of the speedy trial act. that will add time to the case. in addition you have security issues with putting a trial together. you're probably going to have to clear the entire courthouse. everything moves glacially. whether it's federal court, it moves a lot faster than's de court. it's probably a safe bet that trump's case will come to trump before his new york case. that's because the new york courts are much more clogged. they take longer to get to trial. in federal court, they move

very quickly. that being said, this is a complex, rolling case. we'll nada hasn't even been a range yet. this just gives you an idea. all the pressley plans, even in federal court where they're much more efficient, they simply don't pan out because the unexpected things. how many weeks has it been it will not has not yet been a range? that's something that's supposed to happen right away, so to give you that it's just an example. this is supposed to happen -- and hasn't happened to one of the -- expectation that this would be tried in this calendar year, is not gonna happen. there's no way it can happen, we haven't even started these, functions and these are coming, believe me. donald trump's team will try to throw this case out entirely. this will mostly give us a better idea, but it's not happening in this calendar --

>> there's also inherent delays of all cases with classified information. it's such a complicated process, even if there were -- >> that timeline puts us squarely in the presidential election, maybe even past the primaries during general elections, with conventions going on, with former president donald trump shuffling his way back and forth to courtrooms. another legal story connected to donald trump. linwood, robo that name? he's a high-profile georgia lawyer who embrace and encourage former president trump spoke with election claims. he said that he is retiring from practicing law amid ongoing to supplementary probes. georgia officials held a trial for lloyd and have been weighing but they're not disbarred the lawyer. would proceeded to sue the georgia state law requests that he undertake a mental health evaluation is part of his probe. he claimed that violated his constitutional right. the federal appeals court disagreed. he was the target of an active disciplinary probe, it would mean information from the state bar to be moved to a retired

status. he said in an email to nbc news, he has been granted, he also claims that the lawyer proclaimed against and would be dismissive. danny, we remind people, he represented virtual around the atlanta bombing case. very high-profile lawyer. really, in the last several years, especially descended into full qanon theory, calling for the execution of public officials. he was in that sydney powell group of lunatics around 2020. yes. every time, no matter who the lawyer is, i hear a disciplinary hearing i cringe because it represents that person's entire career. that is essentially out the window. oftentimes, it is warranted. in an investigation like this you don't see a lot of investigations that are at the disciplinary board that are premised on something like a position that a lawyer has taken. far more often, it's often the figurative death penalty for lawyers at the disciplinary stage is often for comingling

funds, or other problems, maybe even another arrest or conviction. the thing that fascinates me about the situation here is that he got off pretty easy in so far as the disciplinary board is going to dismiss the proceedings against him. in my experience, and i just mean my knowledge, not my personal experience, but in pennsylvania for example, you cannot retire in order to avoid a disciplinary investigation. brig sample, if you have an investigation pending away -- against two as a lawyer, at least for pennsylvania, and you know you will be in a lot of trouble, you might be suspended or disbarred, you might think what if i retire? if i'm not a lawyer anymore they can't proceed with the investigation. that is not the case. the investigation can proceed at least in that jurisdiction, even if you retire. so looking at what happened to limit would, if he said i've got these pending proceedings, i will just retire, and the disciplinary board appears to have accepted that?

if you retire, it's permanent, you can't come back, then we are going to dismiss our investigation of you. it seems like he got a pretty good deal because the disciplinary board will no longer investigate him. obviously, they can't discipline a retired lawyer, but symbolically and i guess for posterity state is a win because you won't have that investigation come to fruition ever. >> he was featured in your book as well, a guy who helped lead people to the capitol on january 6th and fan the flames. really chief among the attorneys around donald trump. leading this push around the 2020 election. >> yeah. it is worth reiterating that. it was lin wood and sidney powell and rudy giuliani who were sort of the faces of the legal minds behind donald trump's efforts here to overturn the election. these are the voices that worried his head, that fueled these conspiracy theories that he embraced in the final weeks of the campaign. then soon thereafter, so many

of the grown-ups in the room had begun to exit after the election looking for the next job, or trying to make a statement with the retirement, or just being sidelined by a covid outbreak that ripped through the west wing there in november and december. he was left the likes of lin wood and sidney powell. that is why these are the folks who are now being investigated and have become part of the probe into what happened in the weeks -- those weeks. >> lin wood called for vice president mike pence to face execution by firing for treason. msnbc legal analyst david -- we got our money's worth from my friend. we did not mention the -- which is my favorite part of your portfolio. howard one-on-one does an excellent job. thank you so much, dan. still ahead on morning joe, a new provocation by russia's military as kremlin fighter jets confront u.s. drones over syria. it's the latest in a series of

russian actions the pentagon is calling reckless and unprofessional. plus, we will go to beijing where's secretary janet yellen will arrive today. what the visit means for the ongoing tension between the world economic superpowers. you are watching morning joe. we will be right back. right back.

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janet yellen begins her visit to beijing today. the white house has yellen is there to discuss u.s. national security interests strategies for fostering mutually beneficial growth, at waves for the united states and china to cooperate on global challenges like climate change and debt distress. let's bring in cnbc's beijing bureau chief jonas yun live for us in beijing. yunus, good to see you today.

what do we expect from the meetings? >> well, the treasury secretary has arrived in the past hour here in the shooting. over the next four days she's expected to meet with president xi jinping's new economics team, many of whom are not familiar to her report to the biden administration. she's going to discuss at consult with the u.s. business community as well as communicate directly what treasury has described as areas of concern with the chinese. when addition to that, she's going to be speaking about global challenges such as climate change and debt distress coordination as you mentioned. her trip comes only weeks after secretary of state antony blinken was here. this is all part of a greater effort by the biden administration to restore functional and constructive dialogue between the two, the communication between the u.s. and china has really been hit hard especially after then

house speaker nancy pelosi visited taiwan, angering beijing about a year ago. based on official commentary as well as state media reports, the chinese are looking for what they call signs of u.s. sincerity. this would be some combination of a reduction or an end of trump era tariffs on chinese goods, sanctions on chinese companies and individuals, and stopping the export curbs of the chinese -- the chinese argument is the tariffs exacerbate u.s. inflation. that the controls are also bad for u.s. companies. and the view of yellin here is that she's a very pragmatic person. in the past, she has been quoted as a voice -- skepticism about the benefits of the tariffs. that she described as decoupling as disastrous. also, that she's looking to find common ground on this trip. in fact, the chinese are also

quite incentivized to find common ground given the poor condition of the economy here as well as an increasing concern about what is seen here as a coordinated effort by washington, as well as other advanced economies, to remove risk and cut off reliance from china. guys? >> eunice, yulin is seen as one of the less hawkish members of quite a hawkish administration. up until a couple of months ago, even a month ago, there was real concern these two countries could almost be talking each other into some kind of aggression, some afflicted situation. with the visit of anthony blinken and now janet yellen, is there perhaps a sense that things are easing a bit because of what you just said about china's own economic situation? are we stepping back from the brink of what looked like a

precarious situation for both america and china? >> i think it depends on what your expectation is. we are seeing some level of de-escalation and the fact that the two sides are actually talking again. you mentioned what it was like just a couple of months before. at that point neither side was having any communication, so that is better. what we are seeing today with anthony blinken's visit, all better. so helping to ease tensions but the big question is whether or not the two sides are really going to make fundamental changes to their policies, that from the chinese perspective it really doesn't look like the chinese are willing to make any compromise on the way that they do trade or other issues that washington has had with the chinese. we can even see that in a series of state news agency, xinhua, which has been talking

about what the root of the problem is. they said the crux of the problem for this u.s. china issue is the u.s.. that the u.s. has a wrong perception of china. so not taking a whole lot of blame for what is going on here. >> cnbc's beijing bureau chief eunice yoon breaking that down for us. we appreciate it, eunice. former supreme -- james debris this. he's chief and international analyst for nbc news. admiral, good to see you this morning. i see you have a bit of a smile come to your face when you heard beijing is blaming all its problems on the united states. what do you make of this recent diplomatic push from the united states? to send lincoln and yellin to beijing to sit down and open a dialogue? >> these are bo terrific initiatives. i applaud the administration for continuing to push, to stand with china, alongside china, in important global

issues like global warming, for example. but we have some fundamental disagreements with china and we can't just kind of brush them away. number one, in the old admiral's book, is the south china sea. this is a body of water have the size of the united states of america, which china claims as territorial seas. we aren't going to resolve that overnight. we aren't going to resolve taiwan overnight. last thing, it's great to see our secretary treasury and secretary of state go to beijing. let's get our secretary of defense. we need to get that top level military actor speaking to each other. >> there's still no communication between beijing and washington. the pentagon expressed frustration on that recently. as you see this, this trip to china obviously comes during a pivotal moment for the war in ukraine as well, that china's support for moscow, you know,

president xi and president putin appeared at the same virtual summit over the weekend. no warm words from she, but no outright endorsement. >> president xi jinping is playing the ball right down the middle of the fairway here. he is leaning a little bit toward ukraine, but he's not sending serious weapons. he's not engaging in a full throwed defense. and look no further than the prigozhin revolution. where was president xi? he was silent. it was third tier chinese visuals who had pretty limp words of support for the best friend forever over in moscow. i think putin has begun to really play out his strain with president xi. >> admiral, stay with us. we want to talk about this new video of russian fighter jets harassing american drones over syria. how it could raise the risk of a serious miscalculation. we are back after a short break. or brea k.

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that country to stop it, quote, reckless behavior after jets from moscow reportedly harassed american drones in syria yesterday. according to the defense department, three drones were conducting a mission against i.s.i.s. when they were approached in the air by three russian jets. video released by the pentagon appears to show one of the jets flying into the drones path. the united states says the russian pilot that engaged its afterburners, which releases hot fuel into the air behind it. the pentagon also says that russian jets released players in front of the drones, forcing united states aircraft to take a base of maneuvers. admiral, what is russia up to here? we were talking during the break about the last time they came at the united states in syria in 2018. it did not end well for the russians and the wagner group. >> it did not. what you are referring to is an attack against u.s. special forces in syria, about 300

wagner group. frankly, they were destroyed by the u.s. armed forces. this will not end well for russia if they try and take on u.s. military assets, to include our drones. we have the capability to protect them and we will. by the way, what you are seeing here is an authoritarian state like russia attempting to push and show that it can be relevant. it reminds me of what is happening in the arabian gulf right now. we see the iranians attempting to seize massive tankers. there's another word for that, which is piracy. by the way, the ship they tried to seize, 300,000 tons. that is three times the size of a u.s. aircraft carrier, navy destroyer, uss -- stop that. we have the capability to thwart these kinds of things, but you will see these authoritarian regimes trying to push the edges of the envelope.

>> i want to ask you about the protocol for the american military. a russian jet comes at a drone in this case, comes at a fighter jet, comes at a surveillance aircraft, something like that. restraint is obviously critical. you don't want to start a hot war in the air with russia, but how do you avoid it when they are coming that close to you? >> if you cannot maneuver it get out of the way, or if you are undertaking a critical mission that requires maintaining course and speed whether you are a ship or an aircraft, and you are in international airspace or international waters, you continue on with your mission. we then have rules of engagement that would permit us to use an appropriate and proportionate amount of force to stop the attack. >> so back to iran. the u.s. navy says iranian warships sailing in international waters tried to seize oil from a tanker on its way to the united states. this happened yesterday. military officials say one iranian navy vessel approached

the tanker as it entered the strait of hormuz and demanded it to stop. the u.s. navy moved that destroyer, uss mcfaul, to the scene and then the iranian ship changed course and left. then three hours later, officials say another iranian navy vessel approached a second oil tanker sailing from the united arab emirates to the strait of hormuz. according to u.s. officials, the iranians again ordered the tanker to stop so they could board the ship and presumably sees the oil. the uss mcfaul once again responded with a drone which caught the iranian vessels firing small arms browns and the direction of the tanker. admiral, you've spent some time out there on those waters. is this common? does this happen a lot? >> more than you might think. over the last two years, iran has at least 15 times by my count, closer to 20, attack, seized or harassed commercial shipping.

this matters to all of us. remember, high gas prices. imagine gas prices if iran closes the strait of hormuz. 35% of the world's oil passes through their. by the way, all of this behavior again will not end well with -- for iran. uss mcfaul, i commanded a sister ship, uss perry, and this kind of incident rattles old ghosts in the arabian gulf. 35 years ago, the u.s. navy sunk a number of iranian warships. the first time we sunk warships since the second world war after iran tried to close the strait of hormuz with mines. this will not end well for iran. >> admiral, pan out for our viewers who are not engaged with the particulars. you just described or talked about several incidents that at least made my gut go bubbly. what does this mean about the state of the world? things won't end well, yes,

given our power, but what does it say about the conflicts we are facing? >> a great question. what it says is that we are on a collision course between the authoritarian states like russia and iran, china, north korea and the democracies. look no further than the nato summit that is coming up. and no, we don't want to end up, professor, in a confrontation world in every corner. on the other hand, we want its need alliances. together we are stronger. we can stand in the face of these challenges. >> admiral, we want your response to breaking news this morning. the president of belarus, lukashenko, not the most reliable, but he spoke to reporters which is something he rarely does. he did so a few hours ago and said yevgeny prigozhin, head of the bag group, not in belarus. that he actually traveled back to russia. what is your read on that? and what does it mean for prigozhin and putin at this moment?

>> you know, walking over here i think i saw prigozhin on fifth avenue. >> [laughter] >> i think prigozhin is about to become the elvis has left the building mean. but here's the point, we don't know. is it possible that putin somehow would welcome this creature back into his inner circle? i suppose it's possible. my money says he's back there for further investigation and a trip to a prison to unpack the events of the prigozhin rebellion. more to fall on that one. it is a fascinating story. >> admiral, let's talk a bit about the vilnius summit coming up. you served as superelite commander of nato of course. there will be pressure in vilnius to give lithuania and other baltic states to bring ukraine into nato. i started to hear in argument from outside the baltics, but other european countries saying, hold on, ukraine is now one of the best armed countries in europe.

are we better off having them in nato so we can keep an eye on them and they can be part of the club, than having them outside nato? it might be more dangerous to have them out. are you hearing that argument and do you think there's any chance that ukraine gets fast-tracked into nato? >> i am hearing that argument, kathy, and i would say at this point they are pretty close to the top of the land armies in europe. but until they have an air force and an effective navy, i'm not worried about ukraine. on the other hand, i think the stack of arguments to bring them in and fast-track them is growing fast. i for one would say let's put a membership action plan that has real dates assigned to it. because at this point the other arguments about escalation and annoying russia don't seem to hold a lot of water. if i can make one other comment about something. i'm very hopeful of at that

summit. it's not ukraine coming, it is sweden. we are at the moment where turkey and hungary need to release the hold that they've put on sweden's membership. that is why the sweetest -- swedish prime minister was in the white house this week. it is time to bring those vikings, the swedes, into the alliance. >> does it feel inevitable at this point that they will be there? >> it does, and believe me that it's a good thing. the swedes, although a nation of only 5 million, have a highly capable armed forces. terrific fighters, for example, the gripping fighter was under my command in libya. they can do things with those grip in i would be scared to try even in a u.s. navy hornet. they are great fighters that we need them in the alliance. >> like defense before them. retired four star army admiral james stavridis covering a ton of brown forest morning. thank you, admiral. good to see you. and speaking of ukraine, we will go live to kyiv for the very latest on the war there. morning joe comes right back. e comes right back

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♪♪ almost 6:00 in the morning in los angeles, coming up on 9:00 here in new york city. i'm willie geist. jonathan lemire with us for the hour. the latest in the war in ukraine where a massive barrage of missiles overnight has been called one of the largest

attacks on civilian infrastructure since the war began. we'll have a live report from kyiv. also new details on the dime-sized bag of cocaine found at the white house. we'll get the latest from kelly o'donnell on the investigation. and mark zuckerberg's latest jab at elon musk as meta says 10 million people have signed up for threads, the competitor to twitter that came out last night. we begin this hour with new details about the search of former president trump's mar-a-lago golf club carried out by federal agents last summer. a less redacted version of the search warrant affidavit was made public yesterday. the newly public portions of the document reveal federal agents investigating trump's connection to classified materials told the judge who signed the search warrant they were concerned the location of some of the documents was unknown. that concern came from viewing security camera footage from mar-a-lago they'd obtained from

trump's company. the affidavit reveals the video showed a trump employer since identified as walt nauta moving boxes out of a storage area where trump and his lawyers previously acknowledged keeping kilometers. classified documents. that indictment also stated documents has been stored in several locations including trump's office, residence, ballroom stage and, yes, in a bathroom. meanwhile later today, that trump aide walt nauta scheduled to be arraigned in a florida courtroom, the third attempt after he was granted two previous postponements for not securing a local attorney to represent him during the proceedings. as of last night, there was no indication nauta had hired an attorney. joyce, we can start there. at some point, don't they just

assign him a public defender to get this thing moving? >> so you can't delay proceedings indefinitely by refusing to hire a lawyer. technically he has to fill out a financial means assessment to qualify for a federal defender, but a judge could easily appoint standby counsel just for purposes of the arraignment. that kicks the can down the road further to either have to hire a lawyer or proceed on his own. they say the client who is his own lawyer is never going to do very well. that would certainly be true for nauta. he needs to buckle down and pick a lawyer. >> of course, walt nauta is at the center of this mar-a-lago documents case in his own trouble, but also for his role in moving those documents around. we see now in this less-redacted version of the search warrant that federal agents go inside mar-a-lago and take back some of

that classified material. there is video footage that showed nauta moving boxes apparently out of the storage facility into other rooms. what more did you learn about the document's case? >> to the point you were making, willie, the government used common sense and did some simple math here. they knew how many boxes they thought trump had. they looked at some of the photos they had access to from surveillance footage and other means. it looks like there are some witnesses we don't know about. they said, hmm, there seem to be some boxes missing. in this less-redacted version of the search warrant affidavit, they're telling the judge, look, we know that trump keeps his important papers in boxes and there are missing boxes. we need to go in and find the government's most important secrets. so we get a little bit more of a reveal of how the government conducted its investigation before they got the search warrant. >> joyce, there's been a lot of

speculation in recent weeks that trump's legal trouble with these classified documents may not be limited to florida, but also potentially new jersey, because he had classified documents. he may have even been showing them to people. what's your read on this? do you see jack smith pursue charges in jersey as well, or is this something perhaps he's keeping up his sleeve as a backup if things in florida go off track? >> sure, jonathan. prosecutors can have cases in multiple jurisdictions and decide to indict just one. but the marching orders at doj, the federal principles of prosecution direct prosecutors to charge the most serious readily provable cases. it seems likely to me that what we see in the mar-a-lago indictment would be the strongest part of the case, but there is still an awful lot of

black boxes covering up parts of that search warrant affidavit. there is the strong suggestion here that the government is aware that trump was moving documents from mar-a-lago to bedminster, maybe to other places. that might support additional charges at some point. they might be holding those charges back for a number of strategic reasons. i think, as with all things prosecution, we'll have to wait and see what jack smith has up his sleeve here. >> if nothing else, this newly unredacted document reveals how much evidence jack smith has to work with here in the documents case alone. joyce, thank you so much as always. one of the country's most influential conservative groups backed by billionaire charles koch is out with a pair of new attack ads focused on what the super pac says is the biggest roadblock for republicans to retake the white house in 2024. >> ask yourself is it worth the

risk? america is struggling because of joe biden's policies, but with donald trump republicans lost the house, lost the white house and the senate. we've lost our chance to capitalize on biden's devast record. if donald trump is the gop nominee, we could lose everything, the house, the senate, the white house. it's time to look to a new leader, unless we're willing to risk it all. >> that is from the koch network, very influential, of course, in conservative politics and an assessment shared by fox news analyst brit hume. >> those losses in the midterms and eventually the presidency are disappointing performances and losses. they happened. they're real. there's no way around it. the case could be made that he's a loser because since he got elected in 2016 he's compiled a

string of them, either he or his supported candidates have lost too many races. right now people are voting their hearts and they tend to vote in primaries for the candidates they feel closest to or they'd like to see president. they're not voting about who they think could get elected. that may come back to haunt the republican party in 2024, because you look at the democrats and what they think of the race. they think trump is going to win the nomination and they think biden will beat him because he did beat him. >> let's bring in former white house director of communications to president obama, jen palmieri. great to see you, as always. he didn't say anything earth shattering. he merely spoke the truth on fox news about the results of the next several elections, just the way vice president pence spoke with truth of the limits of what he could do on january 6th to a voter who asked him why he didn't kick it back to the states so donald trump could

win. these are moments of truth telling to republicans watching, republicans listening at campaign events. does it matter? are they all in with donald trump anyway? >> i think it is too early. trump is doing great. a lot of polls have him at 51%. any time you're over 50 in a huge field like this, that is a big league that's hard to overcome. it is still early. so you cannot conclude we're going to end up with trump. we don't know that for sure. the message that i saw from koch, that's an effective message if it came out of a candidate's mouth. chris christie is making that argument. if ron desantis wants to win, he should probably make that argument. the republican primary is about donald trump, whether or not he can win, whether or not he has

the hearts of the republican electorate. i think that's an effective argument. i have heard republican primary voters say to me they're worried that trump can't beat biden. they're still going with him, because they feel in their gut that he's their guy. so that could be an effective argument. but candidates aren't making that. unless a candidate is actually making that argument, i don't know that a third party group like the koch brothers is going to have a big impact. you got to take the fight to him yourself. >> the arguments the candidates are making, as we noted earlier in the show, we had governor ron desantis with this ad about donald trump and his support of lgbtq plus rights, which was deemed by many to be homophobic. we played a clip of mike pence in iowa trying to explain to a

voter, no, no, i didn't have the authority to overturn the election. pence is right and credit to him for doing that. but talk about these moments where desantis is so small ball talking to a tiny sliver of the electorate, that's not going to help you beat donald trump. then there's mike pence with a noble effort there, but the fact that he has to make that case shows the incredible uphill battle he has to climb. and donald trump is just continuing to dominate the party. >> desantis seems to be a case of just quality of the athlete matters. if you look at ron desantis as a political athlete, he's not that great at this. he is not a natural. i don't just mean he's not a natural when he campaigns with people. he's not great one on one. moreover, he doesn't seem to have a sense of how you launch a real fight. they're trying to manufacture a

campaign using these very kind of niche maga issues that sometimes i can't answer what he's talking about. it's like he's speaking in a coded maga language that i'm not even sure a lot of republican primary voters understand what he's saying because it is so coded and very online. other than making people just vaguely uncomfortable for reasons you can't quite articulate, you couldn't even understand what they were trying to convey. it seems like a campaign that's maybe a little too smart for its own good. then you see pence. that woman who earnestly asked him this question about why he didn't use this power she really believes he has to overturn the election, why he didn't do that. she believes that. she's heard that for years from her news sources, from donald

trump, who she trusts and believes. i don't see how he can get out from under that. so where are we? it's the summer. there's still a lot of time. it is still true that a lot of republican voters have concerned about trump's electability. he is not immune to criticisms that he mistreated classified information. i have talked to republican voters. i have heard them in focus groups express some concerns about that. but unless you have a candidate in the field who's willing to take all of these issues on and make a real argument against him, you know, then i don't see how somebody overtakes him. >> if you believe that there's an ongoing conspiracy or a witch hunt to take something away from donald trump, then you'll believe any criticism of that falls under what donald trump has trained many of his

supporters to believe. back at the white house, a forensic lab test has confirmed that the white powder found in a dime-sized bag at the white house indeed is cocaine. the secret service is investigating to determine who brought that drug into the white house. the bag will be examined for dna and fingerprints, according to a senior white house official. kelly o'donnell, what more do we know about this? >> reporter: this is such an unusual incident. we don't know of any time where this kind of thing has happened. right now that small sample is at a lab where the ongoing testing is happening. they did a test that confirmed it was cocaine, but they want to do a complete analysis of the contents of the bag. they're looking for dna, touch dna, a fingerprint. it's very small, we're told. is that potential for

identifying information there? that's a question mark. then if they get dna or a fingerprint, will they be able to match it to someone. those questions are all going to be a part of the investigation that's ongoing. they're also looking at the many cameras that cover the spaces here at the white house. these private tours that have been a part of the conversation, there are public tours that by their nature are open to anyone. those happen during daytime hours. private tours are people who work in the administration, who make arrangements in advance to bring friends or visiting family members or what have you in. that typically happens on weekends or after hours. there were three of those tours over the weekend before this was found. that's another area of potential clue. anyone who comes through is screened. when you think about what the screening is intended to do here at the white house, it's intended to intercept any potential harm to the president or others. they're looking for any weapons,

biological components that could be turned into an explosive, that kind of screening and sensors and lots of sophisticated devices that go beyond what we do at an airport. that's all here. but something very small that is an illegal substance but not one that could be weaponized night not have been caught. it will be a question mark as to do any policies change. it's certainly an unusual circumstance and they're going to try to figure out who was responsible. >> they certainly have plenty of cameras to try to track down who it is. the president was not at the white house at the time of that incident. today he'll be traveling to south carolina, another event talking about what he says are his economic achievements over the last couple of years as we turn toward campaign season here. >> reporter: that's right. they're using the branding bidenomics. this is another in a series of these kinds of events where he will go and visit south carolina where there is a company that

will be investing in technology and they expect it could bring several hundred jobs to that community. south carolina, of course, is an important early state. that's where the president on the political side wants to have the first primary. this is an official white house event, not a campaign event, but it will be a part of the president selling his vision that his economic policies which have invested in manufacturing and infrastructure are, in fact, helping the economy along. they say there's still work to do on inflation, but they'll tout that has come down consistently over 11 months. today is a focus on investment and jobs in manufacturing and the president will be touting that today. willie. >> kelly o'donnell, at the white house, thank you as always. john, obviously this is a message that the biden team is lean into. they're saying historic unemployment, inflation is coming down. we want a little credit here for what we believe is a

transformation of the economy. you see all these building projects going into place. this will be an emphasis for the team. >> bidenomics is the new catch phrase. we're still a year and a half from election day. any president will be judged on the state of the economy when he or she is up for reelection. they're really grabbing it with both arms here. they also love to tweak republicans when they try to tout things that have been achieved by the infrastructure act and they voted against it. >> tommy tuberville for example. >> yes. i also want to talk about south carolina as a political play. it's a red state, but it was key to president biden's win in 2020. that's where his comeback in the primary began after disappointing showings in iowa and new hampshire.

it's also the state that he and the white house have tried to put at the front of the dnc calendar this time around. but iowa and new hampshire really balking about that. new hampshire, it's part of the state law that says it needs to be the first primary. there's some chatter about other candidates potentially drawing votes. rfk jr. is one, cornell west. the democratic nominee is going to be the presidential nominee no matter what happens in new hampshire. but it is a political mess for them, is it not? >> if there is a challenger, they are going to draw a larger percentage of the vote than you would like. they're not going to win. they're not going to get

anywhere close to winning. it's just the nature of the democratic party that you're going to have people that are unhappy and that person is going to get part of the vote. this is the hand they're dealing with. it's better than having a real primary that's an actual threat. that person, whether it's rfk jr. or cornell west or a combination, they're going to draw some votes from biden. you have to try to do what you can to limit the damage if the person is taking tough shots at you or you're going into the primary process weakened in some way. he's going to south carolina. i think that's part of the reason he's going to south carolina to protect his political interests in the democratic primary. moreover, he loves that state. he feels a real affinity for it personally. it's where his family has always gone on vacation going back decades.

it was also responsible for his political comeback. he wants to go to red america and he wants to tell red america about the accomplishments in the economy and things that are happening within the government that are credible, that are real, that you can see that can beat back any sort of disinformation campaign. that's important for the president of the united states to do, and i think people appreciate that across the country if a democratic president goes to a red state. also controversy is a way to draw attention to bidenomics. if you have a little political controversy, people are likely to cover it more. >> president biden will be the first to tell you south carolina saved his floundering campaign

in 2020. jen palmieri, great to talk to you. thank you. next on "morning joe," meta officially has started its own app to compete directly with twitter. we'll have details behind the launch of threads and what that looks like. plus, treasury secretary janet yellen that is arrived in china. arrived in china.

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beautiful live picture from the top of our building here at 30 rockefeller center looking south to lower manhattan. yusef salaam, one of the men exonerated from the central park five has won a democratic primary for a seat on the new york city counsel. he was wrongly accused for the

rape and beating of a white jogger in central park. he campaigned to represent central harlem on the city council and prevailed over two political veterans in his first bid for public office, an extraordinary new york story. drinker water from half of american faucets likely contain so-called forever chemicals that cause cancer and other health problems. the chemicals are contaminating drinking water in large cities and small towns and in private wells and public systems. forever chemicals refer to a group of thousands of substances that linger in the human body and in nature. exposure to them has been linked to health problems including kidney cancer, thyroid disease and high cholesterol. meta has officially launched its new app that will compete directly with twitter. within a few hours of its launch, threads already has

attracted at least 10 million signups. >> reporter: this morning, the highly anticipated rival platform to twitter is live. meta launching threads overnight. the new text-based app arriving a day earlier than expected. >> a mashup of instagram, facebook and twitter. >> reporter: overnight founder mark zuckerberg announcing threads reached 10 million signups in its first seven hours. celebrities from oprah to kim kardashian to jennifer lopez already joining the app that looks fairly similar to twitter. the launch coming just days after twitter elon musk made changes. meta describing its version as

creating positive space to express ideas. leveraging instagram's more than 2 billion users. posts on the app can be up to 500 characters long with links, photos and videos up to five minutes. >> everything has been running pretty smoothly. >> reporter: reaction has not all been positive. some users taking to twitter calling threads chaotic and reporting glitches. the biggest concern, the algorithm. >> i don't want to see what's trending. i just want to follow my friends. that's it! >> reporter: users waiting to see what both apps and both billionaires do next. >> when is the cage fight?

>> you got to figure it's pay per view, maybe raise money for charity. let's bring in cnbc's dom chu for more on this. this has been a long time coming, but specifically recently with the frustrations people have had with twitter over the last several months, looks like so far it's going pretty well for threads. >> so far. erin mentioned the 10 million users that signed up in the first seven hours. i took the plunge. i signed up this morning to check it out. i believe i was like the 18th to 19th million. that was earlier this morning. it's kind of getting some steam here. the launch of meta's twitter competitor comes at a time when elon musk is looking to transition twitter's operating model to be more focused on getting users to pay for

services as well as to try to lure advertisers back. many of those changes have led to some criticism. meta could be looking to capitalize on that by doing this now. but threads does build on the existing platform for instagram. and meta stock is higher this morning, due in part to initial optimism about the launch. remember, there are still some social media power users out there who are more critical of the content moderation policies at places like facebook and instagram. also on the political front, we have treasury secretary janet yellen on the ground in china. the goal is for the secretary to hold discussions with higher ranking officials in china about furthering relations between the two biggest economies in the world and about ways to make sure communication channels remain open amidst all this tension. the biden administration is already imposing or looking to

impose restrictions on chinese access to u.s. technology while china is looking to restrict exports of key raw materials used in high-tech devices. that's a big story developing there. by the way, on the jobs front here in the u.s., america's private sector job creation surged in the month of june. according to private payroll processor adp, the u.s. add add whopping 497,000 private jobs during the month. that was more than double what economists were expecting. they thought we were going to get 220,000. what you're seeing there is the markets lower, because what it does imply is that the jobs market still remains very robust. wage growth was at about 6% on an annual basis. it may mean that the fed those continue raising interest rates.

i don't know if it's fair to characterize it this way, but it seems as though we're back into a good news is bad news situation for the markets overall. >> the fed has reserved the right to raise rates again if they need to. we'll see if they do it. dom chu, thank you so much. hollywood is hoping to lure moviegoers back to theaters this summer banking on big names and blockbusters. joe fryer has a preview. >> reporter: mark your july calendars for some of the summer's most highly anticipated movies. live action barbie and oppenheimer will both be released on the same day. some movie buffs are sharing their excitement. >> i like seeing opening weekend by friday.

i'll see oppenheimer first and then barbie second. >> reporter: tom cruise stars in mission impossible next wednesday. the franchise's seventh installment has the same success as the actor's mega hit "top gun: maverick." that film earned $701 million domestically last summer, giving u.s. box offices a major boost. even steven spielberg gave cruise credit earlier this year. in 2023, u.s. box offices made $1.88 billion since early may, down about 2% from the same time last year. some massive projects like "the flash" and the final indiana jones installment underperformed. back in the '70s, the massive success of films like "jaws" and

"star wars" helped create the concept of the summer blockbuster. decades later, movie studios release big budget films anticipating a huge payout. but now as theaters compete the streaming services, that formula is no longer a guarantee. >> it's more on the quality of the movie. it's note really enough to just be a familiar name to get people to go to theaters. >> reporter: actors like cruise are encouraging people to head to the silver screen in person. >> i make movies for big screens. >> reporter: barbie star margot robbie and greta gerwig showed off their tickets. >> i was lucky to go see a

preview of oppenheimer in imax. truly just blows you out of the back of the theater. extraordinary film by christopher nolan. you saw the new indiana jones last night. >> it was really fun. i'm a big fan of the franchise. really fun. harrison ford is great. it's worth seeing. i'm a christopher nolan fan. i cannot wait to see imax. >> tom cruise still getting it done, every summer. we will turn back to the news when we come back. the war in ukraine stretching into its 17th month now. the international atomic energy agency says it needs better access to the nuclear plant in

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. we are following a number of developing stories in ukraine. the director of the international atomic energy agency is calling for further access to the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant in ukraine. that's after russia and ukraine accused each other of plotting to stage an attack on that facility. also new this morning, a massive russian missile strike has killed at least four people in lviv. what's the latest there? >> reporter: first, on the nuclear power plant, the iaea is calling for more access to that plant. they want to ensure no

explosives have been planted anywhere. over the past weeks ukraine has been sounding the alarm, saying their intelligence showed russia has been planning an attack. more recently they had suggestions the russians might have planted some sort of explosive on the roof of two of the power plants there with the intention of creating the idea that perhaps ukraine had attacked the plant and is blaming the attack on ukraine. this has gone back and forth, especially over the past couple of days. it's reached a fever pitch. lots of notifications going out from top officials in the government for people here in ukraine to be on alert. all analysts have agreed those power plants are heavily protected and it will take an

extraordinary event to cause some sort of radioactive accident. but still the head of the iaea has said anything can happen there. it's why they need access. they were there a couple of weeks ago, didn't see signs of anything unusual, but they need to get back in. it's controlled by the russians. not clear when or whether the iaea will get access. >> the worry around that plant comes amid ukraine's counteroffensive. there was news this morning the u.s. agreed to a new package of equipment over there, including cluster munitions. still unclear what the fate of the f-16s is. when you talk to officials, what is their assessment of how things are going? they have been preaching patience, saying we knew all along this was going to be a difficult fight.

>> reporter: yeah. that's what we hear time and again from officials here. there is frustration that they're asked about why it's going so slowly. they say they're making slow steady progress. they don't want to throw their most valuable resource, manpower, into miles of mine fields and trenches and into the hands of the artillery range of russians. it's a really difficult fight. it's a slow fight for ukraines. they say they know what they're doing, they have a plan and a strategy and they need to be allowed to get on with it. ly we've spoken to a couple of soldiers wounded on the front lines in the past couple of days. one of the men saying they got nearly two miles behind enemy lines when communications were jammed and they weren't able to communicate artillery strikes. the russians surrounded them. they were able to fight back,

but they have taken so many losses they had to pull out. i asked him what's your message to the american people. he said, thank you, first of all. but he also said send f-16s. it's something we hear over and over again. we don't hear a lot from the front lines about cluster munitions. we hear about artillery, weapons and f-16 for air cover. >> kelly, thank you so much. still ahead, after the end of world war ii, our next guest's family left germany to begin a new life in oklahoma. the family also left behind a dark secret to be discovered decades later. a dark secret to be scdiovered decades later. i'm jayson. i'm living with hiv and i'm on cabenuva. it helps keep me undetectable. for adults who are undetectable, cabenuva is the only complete, long-acting hiv treatment you can get every other month. cabenuva is two injections, given by my healthcare provider, every other month. it's really nice not to have to rush home

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our next guest is a staff writer at the new yorker who turned his reporting skills onto his own family, looking at the role his grandfather played in world war ii. after the war ends, his german

parents moved to oklahoma to start a new life. it turns out they were escaping a dark past, leaving behind his maternal grandfather, who was a convicted nazi party chief. he writes about it in his new book. it's great to have you here. this is quite a project. eight years in the making. where does this begin for you? when did you start to hear about your grandfather and start to have questions? >> my mom was a historian. she did her dissertation in france. we knew that my grandfather had been a party member. my mother never went deeper into that. in fact, in all her research in all of world war ii, she kind of avoided that topic. then about 15 or 20 years ago i

was visiting her in madison, wisconsin, where they moved. she had a packet full of letters from my aunt, who has been cleaning out my grandfather's old attic where he lived and had found this box of letters. when we touching documents to me. there were little handwritten scrawled notes, there were 17 of them, and they were testimonials from the villagers in france where my grandfather had been the nazi party chief. and they were written in 1946 when france was in the middle of what they call the savage purification. when, you know, everybody's turning against each other in these villages and accusing each other of being collaborators and nazi sympathizers. 300,000 trials, 9,000 summary executions, and in the midst of that moment when to claim any kind of nazi sympathy, these villagers had written letters to the french military government saying, yeah, this is a nazi.

he was in our village, and i'm a french patriot, but he did good things in our village. he actually protected our village. and suddenly this -- what had been a shameful story in my family's life, that my mother talked about, avoided in research because she was afraid of what she might find, suddenly became this interesting thing. like, how did this man become a nazi, and how suddenly did it get to the point in the midst of the war where people were willing to vouch for him? >> and you find this contradiction that you write about so much in the book, but yes, he was a nazi party chief. that's true. but as you just kind of laid out, the term that some people use is a reasonable nazi. it's hard to even grapple with that concept, isn't it? you use that term to say he did try to protect some of the people in france. >> he did, and the interesting thing for me is that it's not as if he was -- i mean, we tend to think of nazis or germans of that era as schindler's or kind of caricature nazis, and there's

no in between, and here's a man who really was a fervent nazi. he came out of -- early on he had grown up in the black forest and kind of in a futile economy, and seen crushing poverty. his father had committed suicide because he had gambled away the farm. my grandfather had gone on to world war ii and lost an eye, had wanted to be a priest and lost all his faith. then come out of that into germany in the 1920s, crushing depression, war reparations and hyperinflation. no way to get a job with his broken body, and you know, he kind of seized onto naziism as a substitute religion in a lot of ways. >> so i'm really curious as to the reaction when you started into this project, reaction from others, you know, who have a family from germany who might have said i have similar experiences in my background, my family's past, but also your own family as you really started to dive into this. what was that like? >> i mean, my family wanted to

know the story. i think they shared my mom's curiosity. we had lived with this kind of repressed narrative for so long, and we just wanted to know the information. i think that's happening all over germany, people going into the archives, having old letters translated and digested. in america the same thing, people have gotten to the point where they say if my great great grandfather was a slave owner, i want to know about it and come to terms with it and not just put it away in the past. >> it certainly is a story that so many people will be able to relate to in the contradictions in their own families and their own past. the new book is entitled "fatherland: a memoir of war, conscience and family secrets." thank you so much for being here. we appreciate it. >> thanks for having me. >> we'll be right back with more "morning joe." "morning joe." botox® prevents headaches in adults with chronic migraine before they even start. it's the #1 prescribed branded chronic migraine treatment. so far, more than 5 million botox® treatments

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a bit of a hazy day in san francisco as you get things going just before 7:00 in the morning. some baseball for you involving

one of the brightest young stars in all of sports. the nationals called for umpires to check the bat of cincinnati reds rookie phenom, elie de la cruz in the fifth inning. they were questioning the legality of a covering on the bat's knob. officials had him remove it for that at bat. then he stepped to the plate, and here's how he responded. >> de la cruz trying to add to it, he crushes upper deck right center. >> de la cruz with a massive solo home run to extend cincinnati's lead. the reds were red hot, won the game. here's the reaction you're looking for. he jacks it, turns to the washington dugout, points to his bat and says this one's for you after they tried to call him out for using illegal bat. he was not. incredible. jonathan lemire, this guy is so much fun to watch, and the reds, the reds are so much fun to watch right now. >> first place reds.

this guy can do it all. he's got a cannon for an arm. he has blazing speed. he can obviously hit for power. he's got some swagger too. is there a petition to get him in next week's all star game? we're going to lose ohtani. we know ohtani's not going to pitch. there's still hope he can hit. he's got a blister issue. let's have ellie de la cruz, get him in there. >> can we get him into something, the home run derby. >> base running competition, what ever it takes. >> i would pay to watch him do just about anything right now. and you're right, the ohtani news is bad but hopefully it's a short-term thing, a blister on his finger. he can get past that. the mike trout news for our west coast audience watching is more devastating. four to eight weeks with a broken wrist. >> surgery. >> who are making a little progress with that lineup. >> the angels are so disappoints. they have yet to make the playoffs since ohtani's time there. they're right at the edge of the wild card.

hopefully ohtani is a short-term injury. an argument can be made the month of june ohtani's was the single greatest month any bibl player has ever had. >> greatest player for our lifetime, perhaps many life times. that does it for us this morning, ana cabrera picks up the coverage right now. ♪♪ good morning, and thank you so much for being here. it is 10:00 eastern. i'm ana cabrera reporting from new york. and this morning the man who let led a rebellion against vladimir putin is back in russia. that news revealed in a rare news conference. he said yevgeny prigozhin is not there and he is in his home country. this as new details emerge on a raid on prigozhin's house. where exactly is prigozhin now? back in the u.s. we're following some news from