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injury. an argument can be made the month of june ohtani's was the single greatest month any bibl player has ever had. >> greatest player for our lifetime, perhaps many life times. that does it for us this morning, ana cabrera picks up the coverage right now. ♪♪ good morning, and thank you so much for being here. it is 10:00 eastern. i'm ana cabrera reporting from new york. and this morning the man who let led a rebellion against vladimir putin is back in russia. that news revealed in a rare news conference. he said yevgeny prigozhin is not there and he is in his home country. this as new details emerge on a raid on prigozhin's house. where exactly is prigozhin now? back in the u.s. we're following some news from florida
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this morning. in just under an hour, court authorities will attempt to arraign donald trump's personal valet walt nauta for a third time. he is trump's co-defendant in the classified documents case. . and we're learning never before seen details of what led to the fbi's mar-a-lago search in the first place. look at how much is still redacted, but we'll break down what we are learning in just a moment. plus, the hottest day ever again. for the third day in a row, the earth recorded temperatures never seen before. >> we're pushing our ecosystems and our climate into a different place than it's been for the entirety of human civilization. we begin with that rare news conference from the president of belarus and the question, where in the world is wagner chief yevgeny prigozhin? last week the president of
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belarus said prigozhin, who you see there, had fled his country after the attempted armed rebellion in russia. after that rare press conference, alexander lukashenko said prigozhin is not there, claiming the mercenary is in st. petersburg, so is he? and where has he been. let's bring in nbc news chief international correspondent keir simmons joining us in mintz, belarus. and thank you both for being here. you were at that press conference. you just spoke to lukashenko, what more can you tell us about what's happening with prigozhin? >> reporter: that's right, ana, nbc news one of the few international msnbc organizations invited to the presidential palace for that news conference with president lukashenko. another stunning twist in what has been a stunningly hard to predict two weeks with russia. so lukashenko now saying that yevgeny prigozhin, who was supposed to come here to belarus
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after that mutiny in russia is not here saying he may be in st. petersburg or maybe he's in moscow insisting that prigozhin is a free man despite leading that insurrection and saying that he and his wagner fighters may not ever come here to belarus. it raised a lot of questions. i followed up to try and get some answers. take a listen. >> can i encourage you as a conversation to give us more detail. what have you discussed with yevgeny prigozhin and with president putin about what happens next? have you reached any conclusions? people will be surprised and mystified that a man who you say could have caused a civil war in russia is still in russia. >> translator: when we meet with putin, we will discuss this topic, but i'll give you my
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point of view. i'll share this point of view with putin as well. in order to redeem himself and to redeem the misdeeds of pnc wagner, i would send them to the hottest battle points. go and redeem yourself. >> it's over and all is forgiven, is that what we're saying? >> translator: putin told us directly about that, his money, his belongings and so on were returned to him, and his weapons i think. i know this is the case, everything was returned to him. >> reporter: look, there is a lot of rhetoric there from lukashenko but what i think we can say is he is not here and that is evidenced by now new images from russian police from russian media that appear to show his home being raided, bundles of dollar bills, gold bars, fake passports, weapons on the wall, extraordinary images that nbc news has not been able
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to verify, and last night russian television, state television, russia 24 airing a piece about prigozhin, discrediting him. talking about his criminal past. there does appear to be a move now to sort of blacken his name, if you like, in russia. mane while, he apparently is still in russia. lukashenko was asked about his future, and he said this, and it's quite a stunning quote. he said if you think that president putin is going to try to kill him, i can tell you that's not going to happen. >> that's all so fascinating. let's take another look at this video that keir just referenced from a russian news outlet, appearing to show russian police raiding prigozhin's home. again, this is in st. petersburg. so if prigozhin is back in russia, why do you think he would be there? is he just taunting putin? >> well, we don't know the details of this deal, right? he could be there for any number
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of reasons. it could be that he was for some reason allowed to close up his affairs, apparently take his gold bars and wigs out of his office and go back to belarus perhaps. or he could be finalizing some kind of deal with putin. but the thing that i want to remind even is that while putin can show moments of rationale and logic as he did, i think in reaching some kind of deal to prevent violence in russia, he also is not a man who is known for forgiving and forgetting. on the contrary. he has built his entire career built on the fact that he will never forgive the soviet leaders who allowed the soviet union to collapse. and so i want to keep that in mind because wherever prigozhin is, even if for now it appears that maybe he's not being targeted, i would assume he's a dead man walking whether he's in russia or belarus. >> this morning putin is in the kremlin, and at the daily briefing his spokesperson, dmitry peskov said that the kremlin does not follow
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prigozhin's movements. do you buy that hagar? >> no way. in fact, when i was in the u.s. government we were trained specifically on how russian operatives follow and target, and they are -- they are very insistent on it, and they have a very heavy presence, and this is a key part of their dictatorship and their institution and their government, whether it is inside russia or where it's much worse. sometimes it's just a practice of to let people know that they're watching and that they can watch, but no, there's no way that they're not following him closely and that whenever they want to pull the trigger, they'll be able to. >> all right, stay with me, hagar, keirsimmons, excellent questions you asked the president of belarus as we continue to unravel this mystery. we also are following some breaking news in ukraine overnight a deadly russian missile strike in the western ukrainian city of lviv.
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at least four people are are confirmed dead, and this marks the largest attack on that city hundreds of miles from the front lines don't forget, since this war began. and that as nbc news has exclusive new reporting on back channel diplomatic efforts to try to end the war. former senior u.s. national security officials holding secret talks with prominent russians believed to be close to the kremlin with the aim of laying the groundwork for potential negotiations to end the war in ukraine. nbc's foreign correspondent josh lederman who broke this exclusive is joining us now. hagar's back with us as well. josh, who exactly is involved in these talks? and what has been discussed? >> reporter: ana, it's no surprise that relations between the u.s. and russian governments right now are really at a low, and that can make it difficult for washington and moscow to really be able to discuss potential end games to this conflict, particularly as the u.s. and its allies are signaling they would like to see this enter some type of peace talks by the end of the year.
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that is where these track two back channel negotiations can really be productive, allowing for more informal conversations involving former u.s. officials who in many cases are still in touch with people in the white house and the state department and russians who are believed to have the kremlin's ear. including this meeting that nbc news now can reveal that sergey lavrov, the foreign minister of russia held secretly in new york in april with several former u.s. officials who are affiliated with the council on foreign relations while he was in new york briefly to chair the u.n. security council and other former officials here in the united states have been in touch with russian prominent think tank leaders, heads of research institutes and foreign policy experts to really try to feel out what potential areas for compromise there could be, where there could be solutions that moscow and washington and kyiv, frankly, could be amenable to to end this war.
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but we should point out very clearly, the biden administration is not directing these talks. these are not negotiations on behalf of the biden administration, but the white house is aware that these conversations are taking place, and i am told by multiple sources that after that meeting with lvrov in new york, participants briefed the national security council about what happened. certainly the u.s. government is being kept in the loop about this. >> how unusual is this? again, we're talking former u.s. officials involved in these talks? >> right, this is not unusual, actually. i'm not really surprised about it because whenever we faced crises, i worked at the white house for three years. whenever we faced any kind of national security crisis, a back channel with either former u.s. senior officials or sometimes officials who weren't in the white house on capitol hill and such was always a tool in the foreign policy tool kit we considered. you've seen it in our history when you're talking about north korea, when you're talking about syria before the crisis began, the israeli palestinian
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conflict, all of these conflicts. it's typical for the white house sometimes to even instigate but then let them run with it and then be briefed. so what i think it shows to be honest with you is there has been in washington for the last six months growing calls for an effort to lay the groundwork for diplomatic negotiations because all wars have to end in a diplomatic negotiation. and that's a call coming from both republicans and democrats on capitol hill, and a lot of that is because they -- we see the path ahead. we are heavily arming ukraine. we and our international partners at a rate that's unsustainable. there isn't enough ammunition that's being produced quickly enough to give to ukraine at the rate they're going through it while maintaining our own combat readiness, and knowing that, there have been growing calls for these -- for diplomatic negotiations. and the prigozhin story only shows that the circumstances where putin would be amenable to negotiating. so the fact that this is happening isn't supriing to
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me. it doesn't mean we're near the negotiations that would lead to the war, but it's good groundwork. >> you say these talks began in april. has anything come of the talks? are there any signs to point to of progress? >> reporter: well, it's difficult to tell because folks on both sides of this in russia and the u.s. are very reluctant to talk about it because the whole point of this is that behind the scenes in this informal setting, they're able to have more open dialogue, actually talk about the issues instead of reading talking points like often happens if, for example, lavrov were to sit down with secretary blinken for a bilateral meeting. but we know that on the agenda for these discussions has been trying to identify potential solutions to some of the trickiest issues in this war. for example, what's going to happen to some of these territories like crimea and in the donbas that russia has held for some time now. it's vs. entrenched were it not even the u.s. and ukraine's staunchest supporters are predicting that ukraine is going to be able to liberate.
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so what would actually happen in those territories if there is a peace deal to end the war. the kinds of topics that these former officials are trying to discuss with russian counterparts as they try to figure out what potential areas for compromise could be really a solution that would be agreeable not only to the u.s., not only to the ukrainians but of course to president vladimir putin in russia who is ultimate play going to be the decider about what the russian government does about this matter. >> you report that the biden administration is aware of these talks but that they weren't happening in the direction of the biden administration. i do wonder, though, what about ukraine? were they involved in the talks in any way? >> reporter: all signs are that they have not been involved, and that is a real question here. the ukrainians have responded to our reporting saying that they don't want to see any kind of back room deals that don't involve them, and there's a real question about whether this kind of diplomacy could undermine the
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biden administration's long-standing mantra about resolving this war, which is nothing about ukraine without ukraine, and so certainly if these talks were to progress into anything that looked more like actual peace negotiations involving current government officials there would be an expectation that the ukrainians would have to have a seat at the table. >> josh lederman and hagar shemali, really interesting. another encounter in the air ratcheting up tensions between the u.s. and russia. newly released video showing russian jets harassing u.s. reaper drones. this is during a mission against isis targets in syria. this was on wednesday, and according to u.s. military officials, the russian fighters dropped multiple parachute flares. that's what you're apparently seeing here in front of the three drones and one pilot engaged its after burner in front of the aircraft. the u.s. air force called these actions unprofessional and unsafe and called on russia to cease this reckless behavior.
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when we're back in just 60 seconds, donald trump's indicted valet in court for his arraignment in the classified documents case. plus, more of the search warrant affidavit for the initial mar-a-lago search is revealed. the new details we didn't know from the indictment. also this morning, can earth just chill out for a second? deja vu after a third record breaking day of heat. we have your forecast just ahead. and later, how meta is trying to thread the social media needle with a new challenge to twitter. new challenge to twitter
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so think of this affidavit like a work cited page on an essay. this is the fbi's official reasoning for why they wanted to conduct the search of mar-a-lago last august. joining us now is nbc news investigative correspondent tom winter, nbc's garrett haake covering the trump campaign, and barbara mcquade, former u.s. attorney from michigan and msnbc legal analyst. tom, so let's start with this affidavit. i've heard you describe it as sort of the fbi's homework before the search, right? and they have to show the homework to the judge in order to get a sign-off in order to get the search warrant. what did we learn from this newly unsealed portion of the search warrant affidavit, even after they revealed the indictment? >> i think it's that granularity and the detail. it's one of the reasons why reporters who cover the legal system and criminal justice like to get the search warrants because the level of detail they need to show the judge, to your point showing their math, showing their homework is a
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little bit more clear and a little bit more granular than we might get in an indictment. that's what we received last night when this was unsealed, basically saying, look, these are all the things we observe witness five since identified the person you referenced before, walt nauta, moving these boxes back and forth after we've already been told that we have all the documents that we're supposed to have. so if you're presenting a case to a judge, it's not technically a case, but trying to make your case to a judge, hey, we'd like to search a place because we think there's ongoing criminality. that evidence probably helps a lot in a judge's eyes. we were able to get more of the back and forth as to how this happened, what fbi agents observed, and that's really what came into focus. it's not surprising that we didn't get information as far as what's going on in the investigation currently or what other types of things haven't been made public yet. there is an indictment in this case, and it might be seen by as judge as improper for the justice department to reveal that information. it could also harm their ongoing investigation.
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it's the granular details we saw last night. >> what's key there is that it wasn't just a hunch. it wasn't just like we think because we don't have everything, it's we saw on surveillance video these -- the boxes being taken. barbara, i want to read a part of this information within a redacted portion of the affidavit describing witness five who we know to be trump's aide walt nauta on may 24th, last year carrying these boxes inside mar-a-lago. just two days later nauta was interviewed by fbi agents and during that interview nauta was questioned about the location of these boxes extensively. he claimed he didn't know the location of the boxes and then after his interview with the fbi, nauta was observed by the camera footage moving more boxes inside mar-a-lago. so how significant is all of this, barb? >> well, i think it's very powerful evidence as to both walt nauta and donald trump. we know that these boxes get moved, and what's interesting is while a large number of boxes get moved from that area, not
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all of them come back, and so when nauta says he doesn't know anything about these boxes, you know, that clearly is false. but what is also interesting is we then see witness five, walt nauta escort donald trump's lawyer in there in the room we know now has not all of the boxes. that's where he conducts his review to say after the review, a diligent review, i conclude that we've returned everything in this small folder that he returns. and so it really brings walt nauta into this experience and shows how they were fooling the lawyer, which i think will corroborate his testimony and be ever more powerful evidence for that crime-fraud exception to get the testimony of evan corcoran in at trial. >> we're taking a look at some of these boxes that came out of the affidavit of the boxes still inside mar-a-lago and where they had been stored in the ballroom, in the bathroom, but if we could put back the images of this new
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unredacted version of the affidavit, you can see still so much is blacked out. this is even after everything we learned in the indictment, so this is what they're saying we can reveal, clearly they still want to keep some information secret here, barbara. what could that be? >> yeah, and i think that's actually what's most interesting about this new filing is how much remains redacted, and remember, this document was written almost a year ago in august of 2022. what the government says is these are sources and methods they want to protect for now. and so they have to prove to the judge there's a valid reason to keep it secret. when a document is on the public docket, it is presumed to be open to the public for reasons of transparency, and so there has to be something that they are holding back for a reason. it could be information that reveals the identity of witnesses that they want to protect from interference or tampering or we know there has been some reporting about continuing investigation by the grand jury. so there may be other crimes that they're looking at or other
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individuals who could be added as defendants that they don't want to tip off just yet. >> so trump's co-defendant walt nauta due to appear for his arraignment in just under an hour from now. that's what you're monitoring. garrett, so what are we expecting? because i know that this is now the third time they're trying to arraign him. can you just explain why it's taken so long given trump's arraignment was three weeks ago? >> presumably third time will be the charm here, walt nauta's had two problems getting his arraignment handled. one is something a lot of viewers are familiar with. he had airport delays the last time around. he couldn't get to south florida on the second attempt. he got stuck on the tarmac for newark for basically a whole day. that's what his lawyer told the judge on try number two. he needed an attorney who is licensed to practice in the southern district of florida at the federal level, and he now has one. a source familiar telling nbc news that a lawyer named sasha
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daden will be representing walt nauta today. that's the last legal hurdle to simply enter a plea and get the arraignment over with. daden is 34 years old. she was an assistant public defender in florida for some time, runs a criminal practice that handles just about everything you can imagine from domestic violence to duis to traffic stops, and notably has an office in and regularly practices in fort pierce, which is the district just north of palm beach where the trial as of now is scheduled to begin perhaps sometime in december. >> nauta is still trump's acting valet, barbara. we have video of him just last week at a campaign event along alongside donald trump in philadelphia. is it odd for two defendants, in a case like this specifically, to be having this kind of ongoing contact? >> yeah, it's really interesting, isn't it? although there are times when people -- you may have spouses who get charged in the same case. you may have siblings. you may have business partners, so it's not all that unusual.
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what is unusual is the order here where the court has ordered donald trump not to speak to any of the witnesses about the case. it's a little difficult to enforce that if donald trump is spending many moments in close range with walt nauta. but that is the effort anyway to avoid witness tampering. it seems like it could be very challenging for walt nauta to flip on donald trump in light of their close proximity, but to date he doesn't show any signs of wanting to do that. >> barbara mcquade, tom winter, and garrett haake, thank you all. up next on "ana cabrera reports" an investigation into use of force after video captures a confrontation between a woman and l.a. county sheriffs deputies at a grocery store. plus, the heat is on. another record breaking day for planet earth. the third in a row. it is only going to get worse from here. >> it's so hot. i want to move out of florida. my body's not made for this type of weather. like the subway series menu.
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we are following some sad breaking news out of new jersey this morning. two firefighters were killed while working to extinguish a raging fire on board a cargo ship at port newark. according to the owner of the ship, the fire began as crew members removing cars and vanz that were being transported to the u.s. the newark fire chief calling this loss of life a tragedy. turning now to the record shattering heat that is gripping
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the globe. on monday earth notched its hottest day since recordkeeping started. the same thing tuesday, and then wednesday yet again. scientist says the planet is the hottest it has been in 125,000 years. take a look at these two maps. there on the left, average temperatures around the globe, and on the right is an anomaly map as it's called, those red areas showing where it is hotter than normal. that bright red from australia to nova scotia. joining us now nbc's priscilla thompson in sweltering houston, and nbc news meteorologist michelle grossman standing by with what's next. right now priscilla, millions here in america remain under a heat alert. there in texas they've had dangerous heat for days now, right? >> yeah, ana, and that prolonged heat is really presenting a challenge, especially because it's summer. families want to get the kids out of the house.
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they don't want to have them in the house all day during the summer, but it is incredibly hot out, and so what we're seeing is people coming to places like this, parks where they can find water, beaches and lakes and they're coming out early before the sun is getting really high and the heat and the temperature is ticking up so that the kids can get out of the house, but also be safe and stay cool. that is really important as we're looking across the country. some 20 million people under heat alerts in the southwest and south florida. you've got areas like tucson, phoenix, and the grand canyon under excessive heat warnings, and this heat is now stretching into the northeast and new england, and important to note that this heat is deadly. in june we saw more than a dozen people who died because of heat-related illnesses and already this week there have been at least two confirmed deaths. a 60-year-old man who was hiking in death valley and police
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confirming that that was a heat-related death. they said it was something like around 126 degrees around the time that he was there. there was also a woman in her 50s who died while hiking the grand canyon, and so folks really needing to be careful of these high temperatures and what exactly they're doing, and i should also point out it's not just the heat. there are 24 million people also under air quality alerts in new york and in the northeast. ana. >> so michelle, when can we expect these temperatures to start dropping? and of course there are always a number of factors, el nino, climate change, what's causing this? >> hi there. el nino, that's what we're in. that's a warming of the pacific. that adds some warmth to the atmosphere. also climate change, that always causes a problem. it kind of slows down the atmosphere or causes traffic jams. that's why we're talking about high pressure in place in the south where we saw heat, record-breaking heat day after day, week after week. also seeing a lot of moisture with a lot of severe systems that are out there. we're looking at cold fronts
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that are getting stuck in place. this is what we're looking at in terms of storms. look at all these bright colors, it's leading to flash flooding, which is very dangerous if you're out on the roads. as we look towards today, 6 million at risk. damaging hail. two inches or greater, that is baseball-sized hail. that is just coming from the sky and dropping. that causes damage. winds gusting over 75 miles per hour, that is higher than a category 1, a lower part of the category 1 hurricane. several tornados are likely, especially in this orange area, this yellow area, rapid city to scotts bluff, denver, lamar, liberal. this was the story yesterday, that's what i mean when climate change makes the traffic jam in the atmosphere. as we're looking towards tomorrow, 11 million at risk. winds gusting up to 60 miles per hour. could bring down trees, could bring down power lines causing some power outages and really warm areas. damaging hail, also an isolated
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tornado or two is possible from denver to lamar. so the same areas. this is what we're talking in terms of the rainfall. this is the bull's-eye right here. where you see those oranges and reds and yellows, that's a lot of rain. we could see over three inches in some spots, maybe more with really heavy downpours. we could see rain falling at 2 inches per hour, that summer-like storm where that sponge gets squeezed out. we're talking about the heat as well. 20 million people impacted by heat alert, over 100 degrees in portions of the southwest, and it's going to feel like over 100 degrees in portions of the northeast. ana. >> that humidity just makes it feel so much hotter and stifling. thank you, michelle for that reporting as well as priscilla thompson. appreciate you ladies. turning to california where the l.a. county sheriff's department is investigating the use of force by its deputies during a reported theft and assault at a grocery store last month. nbc news national correspondent miguel almaguer has more. miguel. >> good morning, video of that arrest has gone viral after a
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police officer violently took down a woman described as a senior citizen. the sheriff now calling that video disturbing. >> you can't touch me. >> stop. >> you can't touch me. >> stop. >> this violent takedown by a los angeles sheriff's deputy sparking a probe after an unidentified woman was tackled and pepper sprayed leaving witnesses in shock. >> oh, no, huh-uh. >> reporter: shortly after video of the arrest went viral, the l.a. sheriff's department released body camera footage. the sheriff calling the video disturbing and reassigning the two deputies involved pending an investigation. >> this investigation is to objectively -- and i do repeat objectively -- determine if the force used was reasonable, if it was necessary, if it was appropriate. >> reporter: both individuals described as seniors are facing various charges including resisting arrest and assaulting
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an officer. at a rally in lancaster, activists called for the deputy who grabbed the woman by her neck to be fired. >> we want those sheriff out of the law enforcement. we want them out of our community. >> reporter: the incident happened late last month. deputies responding to the grocery store for a report of two customers assaulting security. after finding the couple who matched the description, officers detained this man while the woman he called his wife recorded the encounter. >> i can't breathe. it's no fight, you threw me down to the ground. >> reporter: as she was detained, the deputy warned he was going to strike her. >> stop or you're going to get punched. >> i can't breathe, i can't breathe. >> if they did what they said that they did, it still doesn't justify that officer coming oaf over to the lady ask taking his arm to her neck and slamming her down on the ground.
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>> reporter: this morning the troubling tale of the tape as authorities investigate their own. >> both the woman and the man who were arrested were later released. the sheriff says the investigation into the altercation is expected to take several weeks. back to you. miguel almaguer, thank you. up next on "ana cabrera reports" who brought cocaine into the white house? how investigators are trying to determine that as the white house grapples with the fallout. plus, a somber day in texas as it's day two of sentencing starting next hour for the t's d starting next hour for the oh, hello! hi! el paso walmart shooter. what we're hearing from the victims' families. rom the victims' families. ust keep getting more damaged the more times you wash them. downy protects fibers, doing more than detergent alone. see? this one looks brand new. saves me money? i'm starting to like downy. downy saves loads. if you have heart disease and are on a statin, lowering cholesterol can be hard. diets and exercise add to the struggle.
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welcome back, we have an update on breaking news we've been following this morning, trump aide and co-defendant walt nauta has now arrived at a florida courthouse for his arraignment. this as nbc news just confirmed that nauta has finally been able to find an in-state lawyer. you'll recall his last couple of attempts to be arraigned had been delayed partly because he couldn't find a local lawyer to represent him. we'll keep you posted on today's hearing. just moments ago, president biden boarded arrest one, and he is now on his way to south carolina for an event on the economy, while back at the white house, the secret service says agents are hard at work trying to figure out who left a bag of cocaine in the west wing. nbc's kelly o'donnell is with us from the white house. kelly, what new details are we
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learning about this investigation? >> reporter: well, one thing we had hoped is we might have an opportunity to ask the president for his reaction on this. he declined to come over to reporters as he exited the white house on the south lawn, and when he boarded air force one. so he has not publicly commented on this yet. we know the information is ongoing. we know the small plastic bag that contained what has now been confirmed by lab results as cocaine is in a lab having additional study done that would include things like a full chemical analysis of what was in that powdered substance. so they confirmed cocaine, but was there anything else in there. also looking for any kind of forensic evidence, fingerprints or dna that might be discernible that could help answer the question. what we know is white house officials have talked about how this is -- this was found after a weekend when there were tours that are done by staff members and so forth. they are private tours but they
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do include people from the outside, members of the public who have a friend, a family member, someone who works in the administration, and that happened friday, saturday, and sunday, and the baggie was found sunday night. so there's a window of time where they don't know exactly when it was left behind in a space where people put their personal belongings before going into other parts of the west wing. so at the white house briefing yesterday karine jean-pierre was asked a number of questions about this. she had limited answers because she says this is under the investigation control of the secret service, but here's how she responded to kind of the setting of where this occurred. okay. i'm told we don't have that sound bite. ly i will tell you she said it was a heavily trafficked area and one where visitors, staffers, workers, employees, a whole range of people come through that location. of course there's security here at the white house, but that security has always been focused on detecting weapons or things
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that could do harm to others. so one of the questions will be should there be any changes to security to try to detect something like this, this is highly unusual. we don't know of any other time where an illicit drug was found in this manner at the white house. >> kelly o'donnell, we know you're going to stay on top of this investigation. thank you. coming up here on "ana cabrera reports," battles of the billionaires, how mark zuckerberg is challenging elon musk in the social media space with his new app threads. is this a true threat to twitter? but first, day two of victim impact statements resuming as the el paso walmart mass shooter faces sentencing.
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in the next hour, court will be back for the man convicted of a massacre at an el paso walmart in 2019. this will be another day of emotional impact statements from survivors and family members of the 23 people killed and 22 others wounded. joining us now is nbc news correspondent guad venegas who has been monitoring this hearing. the shooter pleaded guilty in exchange for avoiding the death penalty. his sentence is more or less predetermined. so at the sentencing hearing, this is about allowing the victims to have their day in court. what have we been hearing in that courtroom? >> it is. so we have this sentencing hearing that is going to go on for a few days.
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yesterday was first day. before they even spoke, the judge made sure to read the names of all of the victims in court. also read those 90 charges that the shooter pled guilty to. and also earlier that morning, we saw the family members of a lot of these victims arrive in court, some of them speaking or at least one of them, the father of one of the victims that died speaking to the media about how he felt that morning. this is him speaking yesterday morning. >> to be in the same courtroom with the person that killed your family member is hard. it is very, very hard. i mean, you sit there and think, man, if you -- if you didn't do what you did, i would have my child, you know, at home right now. >> that's the same kind of emotion that was heard inside the courtroom. so 13 people spoke yesterday. and as you mentioned, this is an opportunity for those that lost
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loved ones to speak to the shooter face to face in the courtroom. at one point yesterday, a 13-year-old who lost her grandfather who was also at the walmart and saw her grandfather die spoke of what it has been like. in fact, we had a sketch that showed what it was like in that moment when she was there with her service dog. she talked about the ptsd that she has suffered since that shooting and what the shooter has done to her, to her life. at one point she even accused him of rolling his eyes to which he nodded. other family members of those that died also accused the shooter of pretty much ruining their life. so an opportunity to face him, face to face, in the courtroom, ana. >> so heart breaking to hear from that father. guad venegas, thank you for that. the city of philadelphia is taking action against gun manufacturers, suing two companies that make ghost gun kits, tools to make guns without serial numbers. the lawsuits come just after the man accused of shooting and killing five people in philadelphia on monday was
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arraigned on murder charges. police say he was armed with an ar-style rifle and a ghost gun. in the lawsuit, the city says these companies undermine state and federal gun laws, shipping gun parts without doing background checks or verifying the age of people buying them. next on "ana cabrera reports," social media showdown. how meta's pulling at threads with an app they hope could take down twitter. p they hope could e wn twitter my clothes look fresh but i need them to smell fresh, too. that's why i add downy unstopables to my wash. now i'll be smelling fresh all day long. (sniff) still fresh. still fresh! (dogs groaning) still fresh. still fresh, you nasty little goblins! mmm, still fresh! still? (sniff) still. still here. still fresh! (rattling) get 6x longer-lasting freshness, plus odor protection with downy unstopables.
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we're back with a lot more than a thread of interest in meta's challenge to twitter. like how i did that? its new app threads launched early and according to meta already has users in the multimillions. so what can we expect from the next social media platform we're all inevitably going to sign up for? erin mclaughlin is following all this from los angeles. erin, what do we need to know about threads? >> hey, ana, well, first and foremost, the biggest appeal of the twitter-like app at this point is the muscle behind it. instagram users can easily transition their accounts to threads, but as we watch the app grow in real time, the question on everyone's mind, will it be able to go toe to toe against twitter in the digital arena? take a listen. the highly anticipated rival platform to twitter is now live. facebook and instagram's parent
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company meta launching threads overnight. the new text-based app arriving a day earlier than expected. >> kind of looks like this right now. >> looks like a mashup of what instagram, facebook, and twitter. >> reporter: overnight, the founder saying threads reached 10 million sign ups in the first seven hours. oprah to kim kardashian to jennifer lopez already joining the app that looks fairly similar to twitter. the launch coming days after twitter announced limits on its app, including how many posts users can read per day. the change is led by controversial billionaire elon musk. >> i'll say what i want to say and if the consequence of that is losing money, so be it. >> reporter: meta describing its vision as creating positive and creative space to express ideas, leveraging instagram's more than 2 billion users. posts can be up to 500 characters long with links, photos and videos up to five
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minutes. content creator drex lee received early access to threads. what grade do you give it so far? >> everything has been running pretty smoothly. >> reporter: but reaction has not all been positive. some users taking to twitter, calling threads chaotic. and reporting glitches. the biggest concern, the news feed's algorithm. >> i don't want to see what is trending. i just want to follow my friends. that's it. >> reporter: both waiting to see what both apps and both billionaires do next. >> elon musk challenged mark zuckerberg to an actual fight, but right now we're getting to see it kind of on this great public stage. >> nbc news reached out to twitter for comment, but just received an automated response. overnight, musk tweeting about his deep love of fashion and architecture, which some are interpreting to mean he's contemplating launching a rival to instagram.
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but we're just going to have to wait and see where this rivalry goes next. >> maybe waiting is the best bet here, because it seems like these new sites keep popping up. thank you so much, erin mclaughlin. that does it for us today. see you back here tomorrow, same time, same place. i'm ana cabrera. thank you for being here. our coverage continues with lindsey reiser right now. good morning. it is 11:00 a.m. eastern and 8:00 a.m. pacific. i'm lindsey reiser in for jose diaz-balart. new details on the purported whereabouts of yevgeny prigozhin, the man who led a mercenary mutiny against russia. plus, an nbc news exclusive, new reporting on how u.s. officials are in secret back channel talks with russia to end the war in ukraine. back at home, a personal aide to president donald trump is being arraigned in court for his alleged role in the miss handling of classified documents.

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