wait and see where this rivalry goes next. >> maybe waiting is the best bet here, because it seems like these new sites keep popping up. thank you so much, erin mclaughlin. that does it for us today. see you back here tomorrow, same time, same place. i'm ana cabrera. thank you for being here. our coverage continues with lindsey reiser right now. good morning. it is 11:00 a.m. eastern and 8:00 a.m. pacific. i'm lindsey reiser in for jose diaz-balart. new details on the purported whereabouts of yevgeny prigozhin, the man who led a mercenary mutiny against russia. plus, an nbc news exclusive, new reporting on how u.s. officials are in secret back channel talks with russia to end the war in ukraine. back at home, a personal aide to president donald trump is being arraigned in court for his alleged role in the miss handling of classified documents. and twitter has a new

monster rival, the threads app now live and millions are signing up. we're going to begin this hour with that surprising announcement regarding the potential location of the man who led an uprising in russia last month. in a rare news conference this morning, belarusian leader alexander lukashenko said the head of the wagner group yevgeny prigozhin is in russia, not in belarus, despite saying last week he was in his country. nbc news cannot verify that claim. it is raising new questions, though, about the supposed deal that ended the attempted rebellion. joining us now from the presidential palace in minsk is nbc chief international correspondent keir simmons. you attended the news conference. you spoke with lukashenko, what did he say? >> reporter: yeah. yeah, as you can see, we're not at the presidential palace anymore. we were there. nbc news one of the few international news organizations invited to that conversation.

and after an incredibly unpredictable almost two weeks in russia, the whole thing just took another lurch because president lukashenko of belarus here, who you remember did that deal, agreeing that prigozhin, the leader of the wagner group, the group of mercenaries would come to belarus, now says he's not here. says maybe he's in st. petersburg, maybe in moscow, says he's a free man, despite everything that has happened, despite that mutiny, and at the same time says he and his wagner fighters may never come here to belarus. he raised so many questions. i tried to get more details. take listen. can i encourage you as a conversation to give us more detail? what have you discussed with yevgeny prigozhin and with president putin about what happens next? have you reached any conclusions? people will be surprised and

mystified that a man who you say could have caused a civil war in russia is still in russia. >> translator: had when we meet with putin, we will discuss this topic. i'm share this point of view with putin as well, in order to redeem himself, and to redeem the misdeeds of pnc wagner, i would send them to the hardest battle points, go and redeem yourself. >> reporter: now, clearly lukashenko is a man who likes rhetoric, but the detail of that -- that he prigozhin is not here seems we have seen his private plane fly back and forth from belarus and russia. if he is in russia, what is happening? i'll share this with you, lindsey, overnight, russia 24 state tv channel aired a report about prigozhin, talking about his criminal past, talking about his children as lobbying parties

and looking like it was trying to discredit him. at the same time, another russian news organization publishing pictures that cannot be verified by nbc news, from a police raid on prigozhin's home in st. petersburg showing gold bars, bundles of dollar bills, fake passports. are we now seeing the kremlin moving, having president putin out there, you know, reasserting his authority? are we seeing the kremlin moving to discredit prigozhin and will prigozhin ever get here to belarus? there are so many more aspects of this yet to play out. >> wow. all right. keir simmons, thank you for that exclusive reporting there. i think i heard your translation in the voice as well. thank you. 40 have been injured after a missile hit an apartment building in lviv. lviv is hundreds of miles from the front line and has largely been spared the worst violence of the war so far.

the mayor of lviv called it one of the largest attacks on the city's infrastructure. also this morning, nbc news has exclusive new reporting that a group of former u.s. national security officials have held secret talks with prominent russians according to half a dozen people briefed on the discussions. the talks were aimed at, quote, laying the groundwork for potential negotiations to end the war in ukraine. let's bring in the reporter who broke this extraordinary news, nbc's josh letterman. josh, what are you learning? >> reporter: well, we heard both from the ukrainians and the russians saying they're not anywhere near peace talks at this point in time because they're so far apart on the core issues of this war that frankly there is nothing for them to talk about. so what we have learned is about an effort by former u.s. officials to try to start to bridge that gap, to try to explore tentatively a potential area for compromise, where there could be off ramps to this war that could be amenable both to

the u.s. and to russia and, of course, to the ukrainians. and so over the last many months there have been discussions part of what is known in diplomatic parlance as track two diplomacy, meaning the u.s. government is not directly involved, but former officials still in touch with the u.s. government are. and it has included not only top russian foreign policy experts, heads of their think tanks and institutes, but also in one very notable case, the foreign minister of russia himself, sergey lavrov, who we have learned held a multiple-hour meeting in new york in april on the sidelines of russia chairing the u.n. security council with multiple former u.s. state department, pentagon and white house officials who are now affiliated with the council on foreign relations. what they're aiming to do is try to find areas of potential agreement for midway steps that could at least get the two parties to the negotiating table. so that if and when the parties are ready to actually enter

peace talks, they will at least have a basis to be able to start that discussion. and that comes as the u.s. and all of its allies in the west are really starting to signal that they want to see this move toward peace talks sooner than later. everyone is closely watching that, ukrainian counteroffensive currently under way. but the nato allies who are supporting ukraine really have an increasing sense of urgency to move this into the diplomatic sphere by the end of this year to hopefully bring an end to the violence. >> josh lederman, thank you so much on that exclusive reporting. appreciate it. joining us right now to discuss both of these story, david ignacious, foreign columnist and associate editor with "the washington post," also an msnbc contributor and peter baker, chief white house correspondent with "the new york times" and an msnbc political analyst. he's also the former moscow co-bureau chief for "the washington post." so, peter, first to you, if prigozhin is in fact still in russia, what do you think putin is trying to achieve here? do you believe the kremlin's

statement that they're not tracking him? >> no. i mean, i think we should take everything the kremlin says at this point with a grain of salt to say the least. there is a whole lot of intrigue going on here that we don't fully understand. there is a whole lot of speculation now as to who is behind what and where this is going. i would be very cautious about taking anything that is official at this point from moscow at face value. prigozhin is, you know, he was, of course, for years a top lieutenant of president putin, he was an instrument of putin's power when it came to election interference in the united states in 2016, when it came to overseas, you know, interference in places like syria, central africa republic, places like that, and then the ukraine war. so the idea this is all on the up and up, i would be very cautious in trying to figure out who is on which side and who is doing what here. >> lukashenko said that the wagner group forces remain in camps, didn't specify the exact location of those camps. what do you think is the status of those troops and what might

happen next with them? >> i think any troops in camps are subject to being arrested, certainly controlled by both belarusian and russian forces. i think that ever since prigozhin's armed mutiny to use the phrase that putin used two saturdays ago, it has been inconceivable that he would not be held to account eventually and i have a feeling that's what's going on now. as peter says, we don't know the details, we have to be very careful. there have been indications the russians are trying to see how wide prigozhin's conspiracy was. who was supporting prigozhin within the russian military, the prominent russian general, but for the kremlin, this was the worst possible kind of scenario where prominent friend of putin,

apparently aided by some in the military, some in the security services, was moving toward moscow and it is not surprising that they're now cracking down hard, trying to get to the bottom. we'll have to watch. this is a spy story taking place in real life and i want to know the next chapter. >> and, david, on that, nbc news reporting that former u.s. officials had back channel talks with prominent russians. how extraordinary is that that you have sergey lavrov, antony blinken's counterpart over there, the foreign minister, talking with these people and also how successful have past discussions like this, not necessarily this conflict, but historically, how successful have talks like this been? >> so, it is often the case that these track two dialogues, deniable, not officially sanctioned, are the preludes to real negotiations that's happened in the case of the vietnam war. many conflicts since then.

it has been the united states policy since the beginning that we believe while aid in ukraine, trying to help ukraine resist this illegal russian invasion that we would like to see a negotiated settlement of the war. that's been president biden's view from the start. so, in a sense preparing the language that you would use, if you ever got to the negotiating table is essential and natural. the problem is that on the battlefield, both sides still want to fight. ukraine wants to push its counteroffensive, want to push the russians back. there is no reason to believe the negotiated settlement that in principle the united states favors and that these track two former diplomats were trying to facilitate is going to go anywhere soon. >> yeah, they said they want to regain crimea as well. peter, you interviewed richard haass who met with sergey lavrov. did he hint at any of this when he talked to you and how do you

view his role as a potential bridge? >> no, he didn't. but it is not surprising in that sense because richard, of course, is the epitome of the diplomatic establishment in washington for many, many years, 20 years as president of the council on foreign relations, just stepped down last week, many years before that in four administrations and he would be a logical person to try to keep ties going. as david said, this doesn't necessarily mean anything is going to happen anytime soon, it is a way for both governments to kind of keep a back channel to avoid escalation, to perhaps lay the groundwork for eventual talks. as david said, i think the current thinking in washington is the white house is to see how this counteroffensive plays out, the ukrainians, you know, of course, deserve the opportunity and the white house's view to take back as much as possible before we get to the point of any kind of bargaining and it may be that it is not realistic for president zelenskyy to even approach that at this point, politically for his own politics. his country is eager to hand

things over on the bargaining table if they have some sort of momentum, that's the real question, what is going to happen on the battlefield the next few weeks and months. >> i want to turn to treasury secretary janet yellen's arrival in beijing this morning. she is set to meet with senior chinese officials. what is at stake now for the world's two largest economies? >> well, obviously the second big cabinet official to arrive in beijing in the last few weeks, tony blinken, secretary of state was there a few weeks ago. this is meant to smooth over relations after the rupture over that spy balloon that was shot down after traversing american air space. president biden didn't help necessarily by calling president xi jinping a dictator as much as he is speaking accurately the day after tony blinken's trip. but clearly the reception for yellen will be a test if that's actually a problem or just minor wrinkle as both side tries to get on to a more stable ground. ideas to have a meeting perhaps

between president biden and president xi later this year, perhaps in seattle on the sidelines of the apex summit hosted by the united states. but, you know, both sides, of course, have a lot at stake economically, politically, geopolitically to tamp down the tensions we saw, the dangers of this a few weeks ago with the close calls both in terms of naval ships and aircraft in the pacific. >> we'll have to leave it there. david ignacious and peter baker, thank you. up next, moments ago, a personal aid to former president trump entered a plea of not guilty in connection to the classified documents at mar-a-lago. e classified documents at mar-a-lago

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found a florida-based lawyer to represent him. also comes as a less redacted version of the affidavit used to justify the mar-a-lago search last summer reveals more about what federal agents alleged at the time of the search. with us to talk about all of this, nbc news justice reporter ryan reilly and nbc news investigative correspondent tom wintour and david aaronburg, state attorney for palm beach county, florida. what do we know about walt nauta's new attorney an arraignment? >> she handled some dui cases, she's advertised recently, she has long experience in the public defender's office in florida and that's her background and history. this was a little bit of a struggle for them to find someone to represent walt nauta, who was a lawyer locally, he's still obviously represented by stanley woodward, who entered just a few moments ago, that nonguilty plea on his behalf.

walt nauta acknowledged that he has read the charges against him, but it was a pretty brief hearing all about five minutes overall. >> and, tom what did we learn from the unredacted portions of the search warrant affidavit? >> yesterday we were talking about this, we probably would almost certainly get nothing as far as the ongoing investigation or getting any sort of details about potential witness names that aren't already out there and aren't already public and that we would probably get some granular detail behind what led the fbi to conduct this search. and that might help inform us more about what we saw in the indictment against the former president as well as walt nauta. that's exactly what we're able to get. i think it is important here we're able to see that what was going on kind of at a day by day of the fbi's investigation of the time and the fact that they say, look, we're being given all these representations by trump's attorneys, and by the witnesses that we're speaking to, particularly walt nauta, at the same time we issue a grand jury subpoena, we get all the surveillance video and it is

clear to us according to the fbi, this is their voice, saying, look, what they're telling us is not what is actually happening and all these boxes are being moved back and forth and people are reviewing boxes and items of evidence, eventually for them. so i think when you look at this, you're looking at a situation where our knowledge of what occurred does not necessarily move forward a ton, but it does give us a little bit insight of what might come up at trial. i think potentially the surveillance video could be very helpful to the justice department's case. >> the fbi was saying we see the surveillance video, boxes being moved, we don't know where they're being moved to. >> exactly. not only that, the at the same time, they said we have gone through all the boxes, made sure there is no other classified information, we're all good here, they see the attorney for trump going into a room to review documents and after that comes out with this envelope. they're saying, wait a minute, you're saying one thing and we're watching you on surveillance tape do something else. so, again, all those types of things and david aaronburg can

perhaps see better to this, all those things are very helpful at trial for a prosecution. >> dave, your name has been invoked. >> thank you, lindsey. and thank you, tom and ryan. yeah. here's what's going on, in that released part of the affidavit, they refer to walt nauta as witness number five. you know what that means? according my math, that means there are four other witnesses against donald trump close to him that trump may not have known have been cooperating. so it is going to scare the former president. and this shows you how much evidence, as tom mentioned, that existed about obstruction and so when all these people on the right were hand wringing and screaming, this is appalling that you would search the former president's home, it is a raid, uncalled for, now you know why it was called for. they got a search warrant because they have probable cause that evidence of a crime existed at mar-a-lago. >> it is a miracle that dave became a lawyer and not some kind of math major.

when we're talking about what is still so heavily redacted here, i mean, we know that media companies including nbc news sued, petitioned, whatever you want to use, to get this unredacted. does this satisfy the media companies? are we going to see anything else that is unredacted and why does the justice department still want so many of those details out of public view? >> so based on prior case of the justice department as a wide latitude to convince the court effectively saying, hey, if you disclose this, it can harm an ongoing investigation, we heard this investigation is ongoing from the justice department, we could also potentially harm the witnesses that we want to present and sensitive things as to how we discovered information, all sorts of things that might come up at trial. it is so rare for us to look at any part of a search warrant, prior to trial in a case like this. we try to get them, review them, even after a case has concluded because of the granular level of detail that we saw last night when this version came out. but as far as the judge is

concerned, he gets a motion still filed under seal saying, look, these are the reasons we want to continue to redact the areas, something for the judge to determine whether or not the justice department has cleared those hurdles as far as what they can keep redacted and for the media companies and for the rest of us, it is tough to challenge something where you don't know what you're challenging. so, it is highly likely in the future perhaps when this case is done that we'll see the totality of this search warrant, that is typically something that judges will do, look, the case is adjudicated, somebody has been found guilty, not guilty, whatever it might be and we'll see it. but i am not quite so sure at this point that we're going to have an opportunity to see more of it, unless there is an additional charging instrument, a superseding indictment, others charged, it might give the media companies an opportunity to take another bite at the apple and ask for more redacted sections to be unredacted, still a lot of this that is redacted. >> even though they have been indicted as co-conspirators, walt nauta is working as donald trump's valet.

been ordered to not communicate about the case, but what happens if it is revealed that they're talking to each other about this, just in the course of their work together? >> lindsey, up to judge canon to perhaps sanction the former president, but it is really the honor system because how would they know that the two of them are talking unless one of them comes forward because they're allowed to talk, they just can't talk about the case. so i think that it is unlikely you'll see any sanction. this is just something that goes on and here is the part you should be more concerned about, i think, walt nauta's lawyer apparently is being paid by donald trump's pac. so we'll see if that leads to walt nauta taking the fall, like allen weisselberg did, like michael cohen did for donald trump, or perhaps do what cassidy hutchinson did from the january 6th hearing, she fired her trump-paid lawyer, hired her own lawyer and became a hero. he should learn from that. does he want to go the weisselberg route and go to

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you see 489 points, flirting with 500, after better than expected jobs data created investor fears about what that means for interest rates. joining us now with more is dominic chu. what else do the numbers tell us? >> lindsey, this is a perverse regime and perverse narrative. what we did get was good news. the adp payroll number, this morning, said that basically 497,000, nearly half a million jobs, private sector jobs, were created in america over the past month and wages actually grew year over year by 6.5%. those are good things. more people are working and they're getting paid more. but here's where it gets a little weird. as you point out, what this does do is still reinforce this overall story that inflation remains a possible problem in this country. we have already seen the effects over the last several months, but right now what it is telling us is that people are still

working, they're still able to find jobs and that the economy is still very healthy. this gives in some traders and investors' view the federal reserve and jay powell more room to raise rates if they need to to combat inflations. just to put this in context, it has been such a long time since we have seen this kind of downside in the market, it was probably close to the beginning of march since the dow has fallen on a percentable basis by as much as we're seeing right now and it is probably the middle of april since the s&p 500 and nasdaq have done similar percentage declines. so that's the reason why the markets are so skittish right now, lindsey. >> all right. we're going to do a hard turn here and talk about this new thing everybody is talking about. meta launching a direct competitor to twitter called threads. at least 23 million signups already. that's astounding. does this signal to you here

that there is a real appetite for people to live twitter? >> so, i took the plunge earlier this morning and i signed up to see what it was all about. and i'm active on twitter, but i wanted to see what threads was all about. when i signed up in the 7:00 a.m. hour this morning, i was, like, the 18 millionth person to sign up. i saw 26 to 27 million right now. this is -- the launch of this is basically competing directly with twitter. elon musk and linda yaccarino are looking to transition the operating model at twitter to get more users to pay for services like user verification, like access to reading all the posts you want, also to try to lure advertisers back. many changes led to some criticism around the operations and how twitter functions. so, meta is possibly looking to capitalize on some of that by

launching this threads app right now. threads does have an advantage. it builds on the existing platform for meta's popular picture and video sharing app instagram, right? meta stock, by the way, is taking a hit this morning, but still it is an interesting story developing with twitter versus threads. we'll see how it plays out in the coming days and weeks. lindsey? >> i'll let you be the guinea pig for the time being. thank you. all right, everybody. coming up next, we're going to turn to some really tragic breaking news out of new jersey. a massive cargo ship caught fire overnight, and two firefighters are now dead. plus, protests in california after a woman's arrest goeses viral. we're going to show you the video. it is disturbing. you're watching "jose diaz-balart reports." disturbing you're watching "jose diaz-balart reports. power e*trade's easy-to-use tools, like dynamic charting and risk-reward analysis help make trading feel effortless. and its customizable scans with social sentiment help you find and unlock opportunities in the market. e*trade from morgan stanley.

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our thoughts are with their families. turning now to los angeles, where the county sheriff's department is opening a use of force investigation into its deputies. video circulated on social media showing two lapd officers engaging in a violent confrontation with a woman in a grocery store parking lot. some may find the video disturbing. nbc's miguel almaguer is following the story. what are we learning? >> the video of that arrest certainly went viral after that police officer was seen grabbing that woman by the neck and then tossing her on to the ground. the sheriff calling that video disturbing. >> you can't touch me. >> stop. >> you can't touch me. >> stop. >> this violent takedown by a los angeles sheriff deputy sparking a probe after an unidentified woman was tackled and pepper sprayed, leaving witnesses in shock. >> oh, no! >> reporter: shortly after video of the arrest went viral, the l.a. sheriff's department

released body camera footage, calling it disturbing and reassigning the two deputies involved pending an investigation. >> this investigation is to objectively and i repeat objectively determine if force used was reasonable, if it was necessary, if it was appropriate. >> reporter: both individuals described as seniors are facing various charges, including resisting arrest and assaulting an officer. >> no justice, no peace. >> reporter: at a rally in lancaster, activists called for the deputy, who grabbed the woman by her neck, to be fired. >> we want those sheriffs out of the law enforcement, we want them out of our community. >> reporter: the incident happened late last month, deputies responding to the grocery store for a report of two customers assaulting security. after finding the couple who matched the description, officers detained this man. while the woman he called his

wife recorded the encounter. >> i can't breathe. you threw me down to the ground. >> reporter: as she was detained, the deputy warned he was going to strike her. >> stop or you will get punched in the face. turn around. >> get your neck off -- i can't breathe! i can't breathe! >> if they did what they said that they did, it still doesn't just that officer coming over to the lady and taking his arm to her neck and slamming her down on the ground. >> reporter: this morning, the troubling tale of the tape, as authorities investigate their own. both the woman and the man who were arrested were later released. the sheriff says the investigation into the altercation is expected to take several weeks. back to you. >> miguel almaguer, thank you. let's bring in sheryl dorsey, retired sergeant from the los angeles police department. sheryl, thank you for being with us on this. you know, the sheriff says there is still a lot we don't know. still have to determine whether the use of force was reasonable

here. what questions do you have, though? >> well, the first question that i would ask is why did this officer leave his partner who has got a felony suspect according to the reports in custody, an officer safety issue , to go deal with someone recording the incident. she wasn't the only person recording out there. this wasn't about taking this woman into custody, the force was unnecessary, it was excessive, it was over the top, it was punishment. because she had the temerity to record her husband being arrested. and so all of it is problematic. i'm certain this is not the first time that deputy did that. he did it too easily. he was unbothered by the others who were watching and then after the fact, i'm certain, he had to manufacture probable cause for that resisting arrest, assaulting an officer charge, and i'm not surprised that they were released. why? because the d.a. found out there was insufficient evidence to support those bogus charges against her. >> if you were working this case, how would you handle this

incident? >> well, i would get those officers out of the field, like they have done. i would certainly look into their personnel complaints and history to see if this is the first time they have done that. and i would strongly suggest that there is an internal affairs investigation, ultimately if sustained penalty, disciplinary penalty commiserate with what we see here. >> how are officers trained to respond in a situation like that? she was thrown to the ground just for shooting video. >> well, listen, we know people have a right to record when an officer is doing what it is that they do. as long as you're a safe distance away and she appeared to be. so every officer is trained to use only that force necessary to overcome resistance when you're trying to affect an arrest. my question would be what was he arresting her for? because at that point, when he grabbed her by the neck and body slammed her, conceivably, could have caused great injury given

her age, she wasn't involved in any criminality. and so, i'm bothered by all of it and there is a lot that, you know, needs to be asked and answered and so we'll have to see what this newly elected sheriff luna does. will it be business as usual or will he really give these guys off of his role? >> i have one really quick question because in addition to what you mentioned, she was also pepper sprayed. was it normal for an officer or a deputy to tell someone, be quiet or i'm going to punch you in the face? >> when they're punching you, when they're about to put hands on you, when they know they're going to arrest you for a charge you haven't committed. we saw that officer threatening. why? he was punishing this woman. >> cheryl dorsey, disturbing indeed, thank you so much. up next, does former vice president mike pence regret certifying the 2020 election results on january 6th? we'll play for you what he's saying on the campaign trail

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the white house. >> right. >> joe biden shouldn't be there. >> sorry, ma'am, that's -- no vice president in american history ever asserted the authority that you have been convinced that i have. i said before, i said what i announced, president trump was wrong about my authority that day and he still was. >> joining us now, susan del percio, republican strategist and msnbc political analyst. your reaction to that, and how large of a shadow the 2020 election is going to cast over pence's campaign, do you think? >> well, i was actually very surprised to see former vice president pence actually push back on the supporters directly to their face, because the reality is, what he is saying is factual, that they have been convinced that he could have done something that was unconstitutional as well as going against the actual american public who did vote for

president biden. and so this will be an interesting tight rope he's walking of doing the right thing, standing with the truth of that election, and going against the makeup of the republican party primary base, which are still solely and blindly following president donald trump, even though he has convinced them of lies, he has convinced them that everything his opponents are saying is wrong and it is interesting to see how he walks this tight rope through the rest of the primary. >> susan, you can react to that exchange if you want to as well. i want to ask you about what "the new york times" is pointing out about desantis' campaign, cem ly essentially struggling to find its footing. a number of missteps that generated bad press, a spokesperson for his super pac saying he's facing an uphill battle admitting that, he's lagging in the polls. what is going wrong there for him? >> first, to vice president

pence, i think what he's trying to do is base his campaign on certain truths to be viable within the evangelical community. and when you pivot to desantis, desantis' whole campaign, which really was a result of doing well

retail campaigning, but, yes, it is certainly on his mind to be a vp candidate. >> we'll have to leave it there today, thank you. both. coming up, president biden

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you can see right here a live picture of president biden who just landed in west columbia, south carolina. you can see representative jim clyburn walking with him. the president would tour a manufacturing plant before talking about his economic plan. now we just a bunch of reporters. there's another vantage pointe of the president shaking hands but this comes as the secret service continues to search for whoever left a dime sized bag containing cocaine in the west wing over the weekend. senior white house correspondent kelly ohdonnel joins us now.

the president trying to focus on the economy. there's a lot of questions about that bag but what's the latest on the investigation and what can you tell us about this visit? >> a couple of things that we see the president is now on an official trip to south carolina where he will be touting manufacturing jobs and an investment from a company that will bring employment to this area. that is critical. we know the president, as the head of the democratic party and a candidate for reelection, once south carolina two well- versed in the primaries. he has no prominent challenger on the democratic side. robert kennedy junior is running and some others are in the race, but the president is without what is considered a serious challenge at this point. south carolina is important in his constituency but this is official white house business, talking about infrastructure and investment in manufacturing. those things make up bidenomics, which is the president's vision for how to keep americans employed and how to have a vital economy and the

administration believes they're not getting enough attention for that. turning to the investigation on cocaine, a small plastic bag is not the size of a dime, as in the coin. dime sized is slang for what would have cost $10 back in the day. it's just a tiny plastic bag with a ziploc type feature. it contains cocaine. it was found in an entrance area of the west wing on sunday night by a uniformed officer of the secret service. and investigation is ongoing. today that sample is still in the lab being tested for dna, fingerprints, a chemical analysis of what was in its brick taken from cocaine, but they wanted to do a full analysis of the content. with the hope there will be evidence that would point to the individual who left it at the white house. we are told it's unlikely that

they will be able to do that at this point. investigation is ongoing. unlikely because how trafficked that area was? expect because of the high traffic and whether or not they will get any usable information from the sample. by kelly ohdonnel, thank you so much. that wraps it up for me. i'm lindsey reiser. i will see you back here tomorrow at 11:00 a.m. eastern. andrea mitchell picks up with more news right now. right now i'm andrea mitchell reporting. the fbi has immense video from mar-a-lago showing boxes of those classified documents removed before the search. this reveals more of the search warrant unsealed by a federal judge. where is -- the president of belarus says he didn't have them. where is he? he could have gone to moscow or maybe somebody else. is not on the territory of belarus. >> decision 2024, former vice president mike pence defending his actions on january 6th as will bulger push