podcast, search for the beat, it's one of our most recent a couple days ago. you can use that qr code to scan a listen right now. we want to thank miss woodard to do that reading. it's about one way to learn about all sides of the decision. that does it for us. that does it for us. tonight -- >> i said, look, you are asking me to do something is that counter to my oath when i swore to the constitution to uphold it, and i also swore to the constitution and the laws of the state of arizona. you are asking me to do something against my oath, and i will not break my oath. >> that was then arizona house speaker rusty bowers, appearing before the january 6 committee last year. now he says he has spoken to the fbi about efforts to overturn arizona's election results in 2020.

trump's right-hand man, walt nauta, enters a plea to charges he helped trump mishandle classified documents. in the aftermath of the supreme court affirmative action decision, a republican senator warns colleges against admitting too many blacks and latinos. we discuss. elon musk spent $44 billion to buy twitter. what's it worth now? after more than 30 million people have signed up for mark zuckerberg's rival app threads in less than 24 hours. we begin tonight with the third time being the charm for walt nauta, donald trump's co-defendant in the special counsel's classified documents case. he finally faced his arraignment after finding a florida-based criminal attorney. he said, yes, your honor, as he pleaded not guilty to the six

charges laid out in last month's indictment, including conspiracy to obstruct justice, withholding a document or record and making false statements. mind you, that was three more words than trump uttered during his arraignment last month. nauta is the only other person in the case. from the indictment, it would appear all of it was done at the direction of the twice impeached, twice indicted former president. nauta's appearance comes a day after a federal judge unsealed more of the affidavit that the fbi used last summer to obtain a warrant to search mar-a-lago for classified documents. most of the newly un-redacted portions contained information made public in last month's indictment. it also included more insight as to why the fbi believed at the time that there were still more classified documents being kept

at trump's resort, counter to trump's lawyer's claim that everything had been turned over after a diligent search. included is the detailed description of video showing nauta moving boxes. we learned that nauta was referred to in the affidavit as witness number five, which means there are at least four other witnesses whose involvements remain redacted and who likely cooperated with investigators. while it appears nauta is remaining loyal, perhaps he should have taken the advice of another one of trump's former employees who has been where nauta is today. >> i know you are watching. run. run as fast as you can, my friend. as a former military guy, you know you know how to run quickly. run as quickly as you can. donald trump will throw you

under the bus faster than you could possibly imagine. >> listen to that. joining me now is paul butler and david aaronberg. what do you think is new? >> there's not a lot of new information. the detail is incriminating. walt nauta is denying he knows anything about boxes at the same time he is moving them around. evan corcoran was lied to by donald trump and nauta. trump's main defense is going to be motions filed in front of judge cannon before the trial happens, including trying to get -- strike the testimony of corcoran based on attorney/client privilege. that prime fraud exception,

which the d.c. chief judge found. when you look at this videotape, it seems clear that this conspiracy was about also trying to get the lawyers involved in trying to hide these documents. >> what we have is that somebody must have told that there was video. you have got walt nauta on surveillance tape at mar mar-a- moving 60 boxes out and moving 31 back in. they reduced it by half. the government obviously knew that. walt nauta, what goes to the fbi and is interest are viewed -- knowing we are trying to track the life of the boxes, he is on tape moving, and where they could have been kept and stored and that stuff, nauta. do you have any information that could, that would, that could

help us understand where they were kept, how they were kept, where they were secure, where they were locked? were they locked? something that makes the intelligence community feel better about these things. nauta, i wish i could tell you. i don't know. i honestly just don't know. this was after the footage. they had the footage. they knew he was lying. i don't understand what his defense could be. do you? >> joy, you gotta love it when someone is about to lie to the feds and says, i honestly can't tell you. that's his preface. that's how you know he is lying. he should have known there were cameras there. they got him. that's why his value as a witness has been diminished. he might try to cut a deal one day with the feds. every day he waits, he loses leverage in part because he lied, he was on video showing he lied and as you and professor butler mentioned, he is witness number five. that means there are at least four more witnesses who can provide valuable testimony and

probably have flipped already in addition to evan corcoran. trump's lawyers have notes that have been turned over to the feds. the feds don't need him. >> it took a long time for him to get a local lawyer. she's 34 years old. she's from fort pierce. she has represented more than 3,000 clients, mostly in adult and juvenile and felony misdemeanor cases. she's been on the bar since 2014. she doesn't appear to be super experienced. what do you make of her level of experience and whether or not anything about her presence suggests to you that she could really help him in a case of this magnitude given the facts and given the court and the

judge? >> they needed a lawyer admitted to the southern district of florida who will work for the rate the trump team would pay. they found her. she doesn't have any experience when it comes to classified documents or national security. she was there just to have him plead not guilty and request a jury trial. i don't know if she's going to be there for the long haul. for him, you would think he would need some experienced lawyers. you could argue he has more cull culpability because he is the one on the videotape. he loses any remaining limited leverage he has. first in, first to win. the first to the table gets to eat. the last one to the table becomes dinner. >> here is the thing, paul. not only is the indictment -- the original indictment and now the parts un-redacted, it has when he is moving the boxes, it says in the indictment, he takes a call from trump, 29 seconds

later, he moves boxes. trump is on the phone. we don't know what they have. because walt nauta is -- seems to be dead to rights, does it surprise you that they seem to still be aligned? he has a less experienced lawyer. a less expensive lawyer. he is walking around, paling around with trump. trump basically has him like a mob boss under his armpit. what do you make of the situation? they are tried together but he seems disadvantaged. >> he is one of the guys who would rather go to prison than tell investigators the truth about donald trump. the arraignment is the formal beginning of the criminal legal process. there's nothing like a cold hard indictment to make a defendant reconsider his loyalty. theinterested in making a deal, if nothing else than neutralize him being a witness in favor of

donald trump. jack smith is hoping. >> there are four other witnesses, which means somebody else told about that secret -- he didn't know it existed, that there were cameras. i don't know how you could be the valet and not know there were cameras. four other people. it doesn't seem like he has room other than a plea to save himself. it seems he is more likely to go to prison than trump. >> i think that's right. these four other witnesses are cooperating with the special counsel, unlike walt nauta. they are trying to not go to prison. trump is not the brightest criminal in the world. he commits crimes on his own surveillance videotape. he boasts about crimes to passing reporters. he solicits his employees do his dirty work. one of the other unnamed witnesses, employee number two, is a person who like nauta came from the white house to

mar-a-lago with trump. she was his assistant. last summer she stopped working for him. now she's cooperating. >> has her own lawyers that he ain't paying for. let's switch over to rusty. he did talk. here he is talking about being interviewed by the fbi. this is him on cnn. >> i'm hesitant to talk about any subpoena. but i have been interviewed by the fbi. they seem to have a good grasp on all of the testimony that have i given. they were very aware of the january 6 committee testimony that i gave. >> paul, what's the significance? what could he proprovide? >> these are consistent with the special counsel's focus on the big lie, the fake elector scheme and lawyers' roles in it. what was the factual pred cal for the lawyers making these claims that there was fraud in the election? there was no fraud.

there couldn't have been a factual predicate. you can't just get up and tell a court anything. 62 challenges to the election. 62 lots on the merits. rusty -- trump solicited him to commit a crime. he did what any responsible citizen would do. he told the truth. >> even though he was a trump supporter who said afterwards, he would have voted for trump even after his family got death threats. i'm curious how this will try out when you have a trial imminent in florida who seems like a super trump friendly judge, but you have jack smith who is relentless in pursuing other crimes against him. in the case of walt nauta, they have images of them giving other classified documents that look like they are in classified markings. they have somebody who is a trump diehard testifying against him. how do you see all of this playing out?

are we going to see two simultaneous trials of donald trump? >> i think an indictment over january 6 is coming. the easiest way is the fact elector schemes. they have wire fraud written over it, which is easy to prove. you have conspiracy to defraud the united states. as far as in south florida, they have a tough jury pool. if it's fort pierce, you have five counties, four of them red. we will see what happens. i'm interested in what walt nauta -- his lawyers being paid for by donald trump. that's a conflict there. this is like a made for tv movie. we don't know what's going to happen next. >> a made for tv series. they couldn't get it done in an hour and a half. they would need a netflix series to get this in. it's so much drama. paul, dave, thank you both very much. conservatives on the supreme

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conservative federalist society allies seem to be intentionally targeting the progressive strides this country made in the 20th century, with the collateral damage aimed squarely at our younger generation. if you want proof, look no further than wisconsin, missouri and kentucky. which are some of the states looking to end educational grands to minority students in the wake of the affirmative action ruling. for reference, the university of wisconsin madison has roughly 50,000 students. only 1,200 are black. the schools are pulling grants to minority students, stephen miller issued a warning letter to 200 law schools that they had better stop trying to make their schools more diverse because that amounts to discrimination against white people. that seems to be this court majority's bottom line. preventing what they view as discrimination against the real victims, white conservative christians.

authorizing discrimination against everybody else. in this past month, the roberts court granted discrimination against the lgbtq society. they blocked the biden administration from forgiving student loan debt. they let the trump administration divert money for the border wall to ban muslims from entering the court. some discrimination is okay, just as long as white conservative christians maintain a top tier privileged position in society. got it. to be clear, the supreme court has always been the ultimate insurance policy for the republicans. they have been working on building a court-based veto against social change for decades. here is mitch mcconnell after he sealed the current majority on the supreme court for the next half century.

>> we made an important contribution to the future of this country. a lot of what we have done over last four years will be undone sooner or later by the next election. we won't be able to do much about this. for a long time to come. >> one thing this court made clear is they are unafraid of ripping up decades of precedent to impose their vision on america. it means nothing and no one's rights are safe. if you are young, understand that your generation is target number one. joining me now is the former president of the naacp legal defense and education fund and the vernon jordan endowed chair in civil rights at howard university. she will soon launch the school's 14th amendment center for law and democracy. i want to start by -- it's wonderful to see you. congratulate you and to be in a

space named after the great and wonderful vernon jordan. a dear, wonderful man and a great man. you are a great woman. >> thank you. >> i want to start with that. that was the good news. a smart friend of mine said to me this morning that what this supreme court ruling in affirmative action proves is that they are not against affirmative action. they are fine with it for the well to do. what they are against is us. they don't want people who look like you and me in elite schools. >> i think you hit the nail on the head in the opening when you talked about this as a decades long program. this is essentially all part of a program designed to dismantle the infrastructure created after the civil rights movement to try to move us further towards equality. these are people who have always believed that that project was worth engaging in. john roberts has had his

long-term hostility to affirmative and the voting rights act. he said the only way is to stop discriminating against race is to stop discriminating against race. what is most disturbing is seeing his willingness to weaponize the 14th amendment in this project. the conversation about brown in the decision is mind boggling. it's part of a larger hijacking of brown for their purposes. last year it was justice alito who used brown for the proposition that sometimes we have to overturn cases. this was his rationale for overturning roe. we see them using the tools created for us for their

project. the 14th amendment is one of them. >> it's fascinating. as i read through it, they cite plessi a lot, which is weird. thomas, his first citation is that. they cite brown a lot. in gorsuch's concurrence, he cites title 6 of the civil rights act. some people referred to this as brown v. board for white people. >> i agree. that's why so many people are concerned about the slippery slope. this decision responds to harvard and unc's race conscious decision. people have a concern. i don't think it's outrageous for people to see the writing on the wall. that's what this term on the court has been about. the jig is kind of up.

we now are very clear about what the intentions are. we are very clear that they don't intend to stop. even the loophole -- there's a loophole in the majority opinion where you can tell your story, which is what happens. what he is describing is, in fact, the harvard admissions program. that would be okay. but not this. this is the other thing that disturbs me. clarence thomas in his concurrence in the case says that these admissions programs discriminate against asian american students. that's a heavy charge. it's a serious charge with implications for how we talk about race, our connection to other communities, political power and so forth. there was a trial in this case, a two-week trial in the harvard case. evidence like you can't imagine. charts, graphs, studies, expert witnesses, students testifying and so on. a federal judge made findings a 130-page decision that meticulous findings that the program did not discriminate against asian americans.

it was upheld by the 11th circuit. that's a factual decision. >> they keep saying it. a lot of what they said was rush limbaugh talking points. the outcome of it has been a couple of them. stephen miller has issued a warning to law schools over the country saying, we will watch you. if you admit too many blacks we will sue you. they don't like black and brown. they throw in hispanics and latinos. but it bugs them black people are at the schools. you had senator -- what's his name from ohio? j.d. vance write a letter to several top schools, including brown university and others, listing all of the their reactions to the decision. essentially saying, how are you going to ensure your campuses become whiter? if you don't, we will use the

full power of the federal government to punish you. >> first of all, the fact that the court has now emboldened these forces is something quite interesting. maybe wonder about the loophole language. i wondered if maybe the ed album, stephen miller industrial complex of suing and carrying on about affirmative action is too good to let go. this is exactly what we would expect. i looked at stephen miller's letter. the last words are, you are hereby warned. these people have delusions of grandeur. it's enough to frighten universities and their general counsel. it is effective. what's next done by the decision, if universities are not careful, may well be done by the self-policing into fear. that's why this is an important moment. people have to decide what they believe. of course, they are going to comply with the supreme court's decision. they should take them at their word. if there's a loophole, they should use it. they should demonstrate their ongoing commitment.

>> i wonder how they would make the argument. how are they going to make the argument we looked at your school class and there are too many blacks in it? that's a hell of an argument that we think you have not enough white people. you are counting -- that means you are looking by race and saying there are not enough white people. >> i think jackson hinted at that at the oral argument when she suggested some of the arguments might create an opportunity for equal protection claim that black students bring about the way race is used. j.d. vance is not describing this as a legal matter. he is using this as a way of -- i don't think he is thinking about how this might play out in a court. what he wants is the political favor he gets from saying the most extreme and most outrageous things. >> it's amazing that anti-blackness and open anti-blackness has become -- the republican party doesn't feel they have to hide it. they can do it openly. >> is that a good thing or bad thing? it's bad because we are getting

what we are getting. it is true that you and i have known that this is true. >> we know. >> we have been abused of race baiting. we have have been accused of dog whistles, paranoia. we have been gaslighted on it. i feel emboldened. we have to gather our weapons. now, we have to pursue what we want. we have compromised. affirmative action based on die vrs -- diversity was a compromise. they are only willing to have 100% of the power and 100% of the advantage. that can't hold. now let's begin to talk about, what do we want? in these or other institutions. what are we looking for? that's the process i'm engaged in right now talking with people around the country about this very issue. i feel excited about us pursuing the america we want. >> we are fighting with a very strong hand. we have you, dear sister.

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literal cage match because elon musk flew into a rage after the chief product officer for meta said threads would be sanely run. a dig at the nazi friendly dumpster fire twitter has become. threads launched yesterday. it looks like it has a shot of besting twitter. in less than 24 hours, threads had more than 30 million subscribers. it has an advantage compared to the other twitter alternatives. you can automatically follow everyone you are following on instagram and think can follow you. creating instant community and familiarity. zuckerberg has been making digs at musk over the past day, posting that twitter didn't succeed as much as it could have because it didn't stay, quote, friendly. he hopes to reach 1 billion users, something twitter couldn't, quote, nail.

musk is threatening to sue meta with his team accusing them of engaging in hiring twitter employees who have access to twitter's trade secrets and other information. andy stone responded, no one on the team is a former twitter employee. joining me now is nbc news senior reporter ben collins. that's the voice that he used when he wrote that letter. the thing that's so wild is it is dude bro versus dude bro. people are choosing which bad guy they hate least. people don't want to leave their following. they want to be -- they don't want to start from zero. you don't have to start from zero on threads. what do you make of it? >> a good analogy here is that

threads is sort of like the mall. you go there, wendy's is there for some reason, you can go down to old navy. your friends might be there. it's fine. it's okay. it's comfortable and normal. you are used to it. twitter is like january 6. that's the choice that you have to make. >> it's the national mall on january 6. >> exactly. that's what it feels like. on threads, it's messy and complicated. i would assume they had to push this out before it was ready. it has no browser or desktop experience. it has no chronological time line. the stuff you are reading is from 15 minutes ago or five seconds ago or an hour ago. it feels safer. it feels fine because it's not inundated with actual nazis. >> i was going to say, it doesn't have nazis. you could read as much as you want. this guy, elon, this so-called

genius, right, fired his tech infrastructure, pushed them out and is claiming they are working for threads, which they are not, and then he limits how much people can read. he then said you have to be signed in in order to read anything. they are not blocking hate speech, in which a blue check means you are paying money and he tried to make people pay. we are not paying you. we are never going to pay you. no decent people will pay. the blue check means, you are probably an intel. >> at the end, the question is, people want to go to a place where they know information will be reliable. i think if a terror attack happened or something like that, or something like fba free agency, trade rumors, they would probably, i would assume, tomorrow they would go to threads. that's how fast they would go there. they know that check mark is --

>> it's real. >> it's assigned to an instagram account that is probably checked in from instagram and facebook. they have the head count. they were 90% of the way there. that's why they were always in the lead for somebody who could take -- go and eat twitter's lunch when it started failing. it's weird it took this long. it shouldn't have taken seven months. i think there's some sort of camaraderie among the ceos. >> there's other ones. we have a whole thread there. there's a ton of other ones. there are the embarrassing ones. why do you -- is it because they have the facebook bandwidth? they could jump in? like spill, which i love, is small. it couldn't launch as fast. is that what it is?

they could just jump right away and that's why they are jumping to the front? >> yeah. they had all of the stuff available. the stuff that twitter got rid of in the name of censorship or whatever -- the idea that somehow we need to allow everyone's worst impulses and racial slurs on the platforms and to allow targeted harassment, the stuff that they got rid of, facebook kept all along. they have moderation teams checking in on harassment and checking in on the constant use of slurs on the platform. people want that. people want to feel safe on the internet. people want to feel safe to have a conversation with somebody about the stupid stuff they do without getting attacked by weird strangers. they were already in the lead with this. it would be a huge fumbling of the bag if they mess this up from here. i don't like threads. i think it's busy and weird and -- it doesn't have its sea legs.

the fact that people were this hungry to get somewhere else this quickly. 30 million signups, that's 60 wyomings overnight. that means people really wanted off twitter. they needed it. they needed somewhere to get information immediately. they went to the first place that was available. >> you know how i knew it was going to be doom for elon? whether oprah and all these media organizations started getting on. yous aggregate without getting nazis attacking you. i prefer it. ben collins, no nazis is a thing. appreciate you. coming up -- you can follow this show on threads @the reidout. you can follow me at joyannreid. if anybody is wondering why ron desantis' presidential

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verified to check each person's legal status, and also requires hospitals and medical providers that except medicaid to ask people for their immigration status. these extreme new measures are creating a state of confusion and fear for the nearly 800,000 undocumented people who live in florida. reports say some immigrants are afraid to even leave their homes out of fear they will be reported. many have stopped going to work, which is causing a panic in the agricultural and construction industries. the wall street journal reports the construction sites have lost a quarter to half of their workers. while others are choosing to leave the state altogether. like romeo lucas, who told the wall street journal he moved to north carolina because he was worried that he could become separated from his children, or that his wife's diabetes and her ability to access health care could jeopardize his family. this isn't a preview of what america would look like under a ron desantis present dnc. although desantis seems to think this lot of the gulf are enough. in the plan he released last

week on how he would handle the southern border, not only does he refer to immigration as an invasion that needs to be stopped, he also suggests using deadly force against anyone suspected of being a drug trafficker. joining me now is domingo garcia, national president of the leak of united latin american citizens. thank you for being here. this person has said that he would basically wage war at the border using american troops, so essentially shoot people. your thoughts on his whole take on immigration. >> it would be almost, desantis if he wasn't the main street governor of florida and had power. what we have seen during the tour of the border, they found four bodies and an infant dead last week. in that scene part of eagle pass. because they couldn't get across there being swept away. the fact of the matter, talking about shooting minister men women and children who are

frequently in communist countries, asking for assistance, that is a pretty low standard, even by trump politics that we see in america. and it's unfortunate that desantis is resorting to fearmongering and immigrant bashing to try to win the presidency. >> i lived in florida for 14 years and i can tell you the workforce, not just the agriculture, but in construction, is overwhelmingly latino. it's over overwhelmingly migrant latino. they rely on this labor force to make the state function. let me play what a republican state representative, rick roth, said during high earlier, where i lived where i first moved to south florida, about what he fears, which is losing his workers. >> this bill is 100% supposed to scare you. >> [speaking non-english] >> i'm a farmer and the farmers

are mad as hell. we >> [speaking non-english] >> we are losing employees that are already starting to move to georgia and other states. >> [speaking non-english] we >> it's urgent that you talk to all your people and convince them that you have resources, state representatives, and other people, that can explain the bill to you. >> i will note that we did ask representative roth for comment, he did not respond. but what do you make of this hypocrisy? he went on to say that governor desantis is the greatest governor in the history of florida and trump is the greatest president. what do you make of the hypocrisy of begging workers to stay well voting for a law that's making them flee? >> we use these immigrants to score points with the red meat, the far-right wing of the party. but you should economically in

florida because who's making those florida oranges? all the agriculture is done by immigrants. who is working in those southeast southeast restaurants, hotels, loading the cruise ship? it's immigrants, and the fact of the matter is 45% of the workforce in florida are immigrants, many undocumented, who are taken advantage of by employers, but nothing is being done about that. and i think the -- is gonna take a hit. what do you try to do, hey we want to work here, even though we're gonna prosecute you, we're gonna ask for your papers if your child comes to the hospital. that sounds like not see germany, not the united states of america. >> there are lawsuits now, the legal advocates including the american civil liberties union, americans for immigrant justice and the american immigration council. dave announcer gonna file a lawsuit against this bill. the history, though, of legislation going to the supreme court, is that when arizona traded this papers please law that went to court.

on a 53 vote, they struck that law down. but now the court is further to the right. it's a far right wing court. are you worried that if this lawsuit goes to the supreme court, that this right-wing majority court will uphold it? >> we are extremely concerned that now that there are three trump appointees to that board, all of them kind of anti immigrant, but were totally surprised when they upheld biden's decision to be able to use immigration priorities in terms of who they exclude or are not. many -- so maybe roberts, maybe shifting a little bit to the center when they realize that some of their policies are not popular with the u.s. population is a whole, especially with u.s. business community. i think that's gonna hurt american businesses. because who's gonna put food on the table? who is gonna go to meatpacking plants? it is gonna transport those drugs? it's immigrant labor. >> i'm a little less sanguine on it given that they included

black and brown people, blacks and latinos who they want booted out of elite universities, but maybe they'll have a different vision when it comes to making sure that their right-wing friends have labor to do all the work. because that's is doing all the work, is people who look like you and me. >> that's the hypocrisy of the supreme court today. it's almost like we're going back in time with this separate unequal. >> 100 percent. >> what we've seen with -- mendez versus winchester so you can separate nixon americans from -- >> where out of time, i'm so sorry to cut off, but i'm calling in chris hayes. show domingo garcia, thanks so much. all in with chris hayes starts now. s starts now. >> tonight on all in -- what >> mike pence has betrayed the united states of america. >> the big lie thrives on the campaign