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times to assess whether or not they are having any of the side effects. it's a protracted commitment. >> thank you so much. some major news there, of course, with the fda approval of the drug. that wraps it up for me. you can catch me right back here tomorrow, sunday as well, 2:00 to 4:00 p.m. eastern on msnbc. jose will be back monday. "andrea mitchell reports" is picking up right now. right now, the new job reports shows the job market be cooling with 209,000 jobs added, fewer than expected. president biden in his re-election bid is focusing on the economy. targeting junk health insurance plans today. the president is reportedly agreeing to provide ukraine with cluster bombs, outlawed by many allies. president biden making the decision ahead of next week's
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critical nato summit with ukraine's longstanding request for nato admission dividing the allies. it's been 100 days since russia detained reporter evan gershkovich whose mother is hoping for the best as her son sits in a russian prison. >> i rely on president biden's promise. bringing him back, i think, it's a team effort. good day, everyone. i'm andrea mitchell in washington where today's monthly jobs report shows payrolls rising by 209,000 in june. indicating the labor market could be losing steam. the unemployment rate barely ticking down to 3.6%. this with treasury secretary janet yell. >> announcer: -- yellen in china trying to ease tensions between the two largest economies while criticizing beijing for its
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treatment of american companies. joining me now, dominic chu. first the jobs numbers. does this increase the possibility we could avoid a recession, even achieve a soft landing? >> the elusive soft landing. the jobs numbers just add more confusion to the american economic story right now. first off, it is still job growth. it's 209,000, as you point out. it does represent a slowdown from last month. it's the lowest level of monthly job gains since roughly december of 2020. where you are seeing some slightly more positivity is in the wage picture. average hourly earnings increased by a better than expected four-tenths of 1% between may and june, which led to a better than expected year over year wage gain of roughl 4.4%. you are seeing a slightly lower unemployment rate without any change to the percentage of
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americans counted as part of the labor force. on the more negative side of things, we did see job gains for the month of april and may get revised lower by 110,000 jobs. the under-employment rate, which counts those not just out of work, it counts those working multiple part-time jobs out of necessity, that measure actually rose from last month as well. what it does mean overall for interest rates, on balance, between the positives and negatives, there was not a lot of change to the market's mind about this month's fed rate meeting. there is a near 90% chance -- a 90% chance that the fed will raise interest rates by a quarter of a percentage point and the odds tick higher for hikes later this fall as well. in essence, it means there was still enough positivity in the jobs numbers to lead investors
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to believe inflation is bigger threat. >> i was overly optimistic. i want to get your take on yellen in beijing. earlier today, criticizing china for its treatment of american companies. here is what -- some of what she had to say. >> i have been particularly troubled by punitive actions that have been taken against u.s. firms in recent months. our economic relationship with china must work for american businesses and american workers. >> she's attempting a very tough balancing act. she's calling out china for its actions while trying to lessen the tensions. this is not easy to pull off. >> no, it's not easy at all. she's basically referring in those comments to this back and forth battle between america and china when it comes to the ongoing battle over technology, national security. secretary yellen has met with american business leaders in china as well.
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reiterated some of the concerns that both she and the biden administration have about what are seemingly a series of back and forth retaliatory measures. china announced some restrictions. china has banned certain u.s. chips from being sold and used in china. the secretary emphasized while disagreements will happen, dialogue needs to remain open between the two biggest economies in the world. >> thanks so much for all of that. turning to the white house today, where president biden is touting the jobs numbers and announcing new actions to lower health care costs and limit so-called junk insurance fees.
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kelly o'donnell joining us now. talk to us about that, the jobs numbers, assuming they are happy with that. and some moderating inflation, and good jobs growth. at the same time, he is taking another measure this afternoon. >> a combination of the day's event with the jobs numbers and a planned event that goes into the biden economics as a way to package things they believe are not understood or felt as much as they would like. trying to get credit for the president for the things that are going well in the economy. they are looking at some steps to take. i would put this in the category of trying to put consumer protections in the health care space. we have seen them do this with airlines, trying to go after junk fees or extra costs that consumers might not know they need to pay. in the health care space, they are looking at doing this by examining insurance that might have clauses that don't cover
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pre-existing conditions. can they deal with that? can they have something to address surprise billing? are there extra costs if a patient has a procedure done in a doctor's office versus the hospital? trying to sort of scrub the landscape there to say, are there ways we can try to reduce costs for american consumers as a way to address the larger economic issues? >> on a different subject, the latest on what you have been reporting on all week -- >> hard turn coming here. >> the investigation, a small bag of cocaine in the lower entrance to the west wing. now congress calling for an investigation of the investigators. >> this was inevitable. members of congress and key committees are asking for a briefing on what happened here, also asking very specific questions about the security protocols at the white house. do there need to be any changes? who would have had access? those questions that we expect. the secret service will comply and respond. at this point, we are seeing the
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window of the investigation closing from what we thought might be a couple of weeks. we expect early next week, perhaps monday to get some results from the testing that's been done. >> kelly o'donnell on the economic beat and -- >> juggling all kinds of things. >> whatever you call the rest of it. thank you very much. the cluster controversy. white house sending cluster bombs to ukraine. banned by most of the world. the reaction from allies and here at homecoming next. you are watching "andrea mitchell reports." we will be back there 60 seconds. ' disease, your eye symptoms could mean something more. ann 60 seconds behind those itchy eyes.. 60 s up to 50% of people with graves' could develop a different condition called thyroid eye disease, which should be treated by a different doctor. see an expert. find a t-e-d eye specialist at isitted.com
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prohibits the production, stockpiling and use of cluster bombs. joining me is michael crowley. you have been reporting on this before anyone else. how quickly could the u.s. get these weapons to ukraine as the counteroffensive is slogging through a tough russian defense? >> very quickly. we know now that there are upwards of 10,000 of these that are forward based, sitting in europe, ready to be moved into ukraine, waiting for the go ahead. we could see those literally transferred into ukraine in the coming days. why this is so critical right now is there is a continued difficulty in getting artillery to ukraine. they are running through thousands and thousands of artillery rounds in this brutal war. it's difficult to get the 155 millimeter artillery shells to them in the number that they
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need. that's where these cluster munitions come in. they have the ability to sort of take up where some of the artillery shortfalls come in. you used the word indiscriminate. that's where it becomes controversial. when they explode, they release tiny little bombs. they disburse over a wide area. it has the -- some have the ability to pierce armor. it can hurt and kill people in the path. there is at times, with some of the munitions, a high dud rate. some of them don't explode when they are supposed to. the specific munitions that the u.s. would give to ukraine here have a very low dud rate. in the neighborhood of 1.3% to
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2%. that's one of the reasons they feel with this need that ukraine has, that it's a relatively small chance that there would be the potential for civilians to be killed after the fact if they don't explode when they are supposed to. >> you know these republicans are controversial. "the new york times" ask reporting that tony blinken was the blast to sign on to this in the national security council. they expect it to be announced this afternoon. what are the concerns about the diplomatic fallout? >> i think secretary blinken i'm sure had humanitarian concerns, as everyone does, about the potential affect on civilians of these weapons. he is primarily responsible for managing our alliances, in particular, our alliance in support of ukraine. i think he understands that this
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is going to be offensive to many allied countries whose populations thought that these weapons were basically over and done with. they may not want to be associated with the war effort in which these are being used to this extent. clearly, i don't think this one issue is going to break up the coalition. but secretary blinken and the biden administration have really been quite intensely focused on trying to maintain very tight unity, not having daylight between the members of the coalition that are supporting ukraine. this is an issue where you are probably going to see some other governments have to say, we don't approve of this, we don't like this. i believe the french and germans have spoken out. although, in mild terms. i'm sure a lot of diplomatic spade work was done ahead of time. at a minimum, if these other countries aren't signing off, i think that there was a lot of
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work to say, hey, let's try to keep this as quiet and as private as possible so as not to show cracks within our coalition, because unity against the russians is fundamentally important. >> announcing it on a friday afternoon in the summer is one way to downplay the coverage back here at home. what do you expect the reaction in france will be to this? will it be muted? >> as you said, these munitions are bad, and for good reason. we know we have to ramp up all efforts to support ukraine. but we have to -- we have moral leadership in the war. i'm not sure this helps. i don't understand why there were red lines from the allies, including the u.s. as we got fighter jets. now breaking the red line about
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munitions. we in europe are working to ramp up manufacturing of ammunition. we decided 500 million euro to incentiize this. >> do you think it's going to become an issue at the nato summit? >> the main issue at the nato summit. the first is to get security guarantee to ukraine and not to be reluctant to open the door widely to ukraine after the war is over for nato membership. the second one is to twist arms of turkey so that sweden stops being blackmailed by one of the nato members. this is what we expect, including from washington. >> thanks to you. thanks to all of you.
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we look forward to the nato meeting next week. the threat assessment. what is the impact of former president trump's attacks against the prosecutors who are investigating him? we will examine that next on "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. t on "arenda mitchell reports" on msnbc. ♪ tourists tourists that turn into scientists. tourists taking photos that are analyzed by ai. so researchers can help life underwater flourish. ♪ i'm jonathan lawson here to tell you about life insurance so researchers can help life underwater flourish. through the colonial penn program. if you're age 50 to 85, and looking to buy life insurance on a fixed budget, remember the three ps. what are the three ps? the three ps of life insurance on a fixed budget are price, price, and price.
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what would that reality look like? well i guess i would've gotten us xfinity... and we'd have a better view. do you need mulch? what, we have a ton of mulch. donald trump is in iowa where he will speak later today. the former president has been lashing out at the special counsel after new details were unsealed from the affidavit that persuaded a federal judge to approve the search of mar-a-lago. trump is continuing to denounce the investigation and special counsel jack smith in person, calling him deranged, accusing him of misconduct and prosecutorial interference. there's no evidence of that. "the washington post" reports prosecutors in the case are facing substantial harassment and online threats. joining me now is vaughn
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hillyard in iowa and former u.s. attorney barbara mcquade. vaughn, what are we expecting to hear from the former president today? his attacks on jack smith have been part of his standard speech now. >> reporter: right. there are questions whether donald trump would be able to make it to iowa. we are seeing blue sky after hours of torrential downpour. there have been thousands waiting in line. there's some speakers taking part in what the campaign dubbed an agricultural roundtable before donald trump takes the microphone. he feels good not only where his polling numbers are but anecdotally his campaign events. anybody else's events are less. the fund-raising numbers. his campaign announcing that it raised more than $35 million over the last three months. that is a substantial amount of money. when you look at the campaign
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emails that they send out to potential donors, there's been a heavy emphasis on his legal fight. the leadership pac that he set up is able to pay some of the legal bills for him. even just an hour ago, the campaign sending out an email, i will not rest until our lead in the early primary states is so huge that there's not even a single tiny shadow of doubt that we are the presumptive nominee to take on biden. that's what we should expect to hear from donald trump this afternoon. it's political offense to suggest to the voters that they can build their lead in the polls and end this sooner rather than later. >> the $35 million is not disaggregated. barbara, how serious do you see "the washington post" report is about prosecutors in the classified documents case being threatened? there's a lot of rhetoric.
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it's getting picked up. how should the department of justice handle it, or the presiing judge? >> i'm very concerned about it. it's difficult for a presiding judge to do much. the presiding judge only has control over the parties to the case. donald trump is one of those. getting him to reign in his rhetoric is something that would be within the power of the judge. i imagine the judge would be reluctant to try to do anything to silence someone who is running for president. when it comes to talking about jack smith is deranged and a thug and some of the things that we are seeing donald trump say, it's not surprising to see that threats are the result of that. i'm very concerned about it. prosecutors do not sign up for this. they come in, work hard. they are usually names that are below the radar, because they are career professionals. to see them included in the threats based on what trump is doing to stir it up i think is something that the justice department can give them
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protection, but only the judge can stop donald trump from continuing to say these things. >> vaughn hillyard in rainy iowa and barbara mcquade, thank you so much. on the outs. congresswoman marjorie taylor greene reportedly ousted from the house freedom caucus. has anyone told her? you are watching "andrea mitchell reports." the latest on the republican internal fighting on msnbc. ing c help make trading feel effortless. and its customizable scans with social sentiment help you find and unlock opportunities in the market. e*trade from morgan stanley. with powerful, easy-to-use tools, power e*trade makes complex trading easier. react to fast-moving markets with dynamic charting and a futures ladder that lets you place, flatten, or reverse orders so you won't miss an opportunity. e*trade from morgan stanley
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republican congresswoman
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marjorie taylor greene could be paying the price for backing house speaker kevin mccarthy. the ultra conservative freedom caucus has voted to oust her. but it's not clear if that vote was successfully transmitted to her. the final straw may have been the georgia congresswoman calling lauren boebert the v word on the house floor on a clash over who would be first to file articles of impeachment against president biden. joining me now, susan page, sam stein, susan delpercio.
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the republican strategist in this crowd, tell me what's going on. tell me marjorie taylor greene is not conservative enough for the freedom caucus. >> i don't know if it's so much an issue of if it's conservative enough. i don't think she has any core values. what's interesting is she's now learned she would rather be part of the majority and she can get more attention and perhaps credibility. most of the other members of the freedom caucus, including lauren boebert, they don't care if they have a majority. they just want to be loud and have their own agenda. they have no interest in governing. >> one of the problems they have had is serving her. it's like serving a subpoena. they say -- her staff says she hasn't been notified. the vote is not official until they meet with her to tell her
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she's out. >> you know, interesting strategy. you could apply that in other parts of life if it ends up working. marjorie taylor greene, who has been a symbol of ultra conservative defiance of the establishment, has suddenly become too conventional for the house freedom caucus, it's pretty remarkable. i think probably not good news for the freedom caucus. their numbers are small. their voice has been loud. they need to be united. this makes them look fractured and a little foolish. >> what comes through loud and clear in her statement is that she's a supporter of donald trump, loud and clear. ron desantis was on fox last night. he was asked about his slipping support in recent polls. he quickly pivoted to attack donald trump. let's play some of that.
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>> donald trump has spent over $20 million attacking me. that's more than he spent supporting republican candidates in last year's midterm elections. at the end of the day, people want to win. you can't win with just republican voters. >> is that possibly his best argument, that donald trump is not a winner? although, his latest poll numbers are not very supportive of him being a winner either. >> it might be his best argument, but it's not his only argument. one of the things that was left unsaid there is that donald trump has spent $20 million attacking ron desantis, but desantis has been slow and reluctant to attack donald trump. they have not gone after him on a number of potentially exposing grounds. among them, the conduct in and around january 6. i think that's sort of the predicate for ron desantis running is that donald trump lost. if he refuses to say that,
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refuses to acknowledge what happened on january 6, then he undermines his own case. it's something troubling the desantis campaign. he has attacked trump on certain policy grounds. he has gone after him on certain issues. this goes back to marjorie taylor greene. the republican party really isn't based around certain policies. it's based on personalities. someone like marjorie taylor greene can get kicked out of the freedom caucus on the strength of personality. as we see in the presidential election, someone like donald trump can survive attacks by the strength of his personality, too. >> of course, the president was speaking in south carolina and touting the fact that she's one of a number of republican congress members who didn't vote, of course, for the infrastructure bill but will be benefitting from it in her district and he will be there for the groundbreaking, he said.
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casey desantis is holding solo campaign events. she's become a major player. she's always with him on the trail or very often. she's campaigning on her own. maybe trying to warm up his personality. contrast the family values with trump. >> she's an important advisor, highly influential advisor. i think if we are being blunt, one of the criticisms the governor faces is that he is not necessarily the most relatable person on the trail. he doesn't have the most impressive inter-personal skills. he hasn't built up relationships. she has a history as a television personality, obviously has inter-personal skills, is helping to humanize him, to sand down the rough edges. i don't know if it's a great substitute, but it doesn't hurt. it does provide a nice, interesting contrast to trump. >> jim, donald trump, as vaughn
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was reporting, is back in iowa today, weather permitting. the big lie continues to reverberate among the voters in iowa. mike pence pushing back earlier this week on that voter's assertion, the woman who said he could have blocked joe biden's victory. the voter tells cnn, she's not convinced by what mike pence had to say. take a look. >> i believe he is a good man. i love the fact that he is -- he is strengthened by his faith. i really do feel like he altered history. >> would you consider supporting mr. pence after listening to him today? >> i would consider it, but he has that one hiccup. >> jim, is there any way to persuade those voters, that core group who are not concerned about january 6 and think that
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joe biden was elected by stealing the election? >> no, there doesn't seem to be. this is the problem with the modern republican party, to sam's point. they are defined by anger. they are defined by what they are against instead of being for something. trump now dominates this party. you have things like marjorie taylor greene who look at this and say, we are rewarded if we say crazy things like donald trump does. if we take crazy positions. this is what donald trump's reign has done on the republican party. he is walking away with this primary. there's too many opponents right now. they are splitting the votes up all over the place. he is controlling the narrative. we are led towards a biden/trump rematch because people like ron desantis don't have enough guts to take on the king. >> do you see it the same way, susan? >> yeah. i think the republican
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challengers to trump have yet to find an effective argument that works against him. the argument he has been indicted has turned out to be an asset, not a liability, for the former president. we have had a variety of approaches. none of them have gotten the traction they would need to make this an even fight. trump still has this prohibitive lead. >> happy weekend. thanks very much for being with us today. 100 days. a grim milestone for american journalist evan gershkovich who remains inside a russian prison. his families and colleagues are making a push to try to secure his freedom. that's coming next. you are watching "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. ea mitchell reports" on msnbc so she gets exactly what she wants and only pays for what she needs. she picks her perks and saves on every one.
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i rely on his team, on their expertise. he is an american boy. bringing him back, i think, it's a team effort. >> a mother's appeal. joining me now is the washington bureau chief of "the wall street journal" paul beckett. it's wonderful what everyone is doing. extraordinarily, today's "wall street journal," which we showed, this is so important, to remind people, do not forget he has been there for 100 days, wrongly accused. he is in a russian prison, the same that used to be the kgb hellhole. >> we support people are giving us. our thoughts are with evan and his family and his colleagues and friends. it's a very difficult day,
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because he has been wrongfully detained and imprisoned in that jail in moscow. we want him back as soon as we can. i would have to say that is tempered by the extraordinary support that we have had and we hope it will continue. we are grateful to you, your viewers and to everybody else who has kept his cause in the public spotlight. >> we have to keep the attention on him. the kremlin suggesting it might be open to a possible prisoner exchange involving evan. those talks will not be in the public eye. the russians don't want that, nor do the u.s. the ambassador was able to see him for the first time since april. even though those visits are supposed be regularly available. what is your hope now? is there some hope that behind the scenes something is going on? >> we are encouraged that the
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russians finally -- i would have to say very, very belatedly granted a more consular access. that's something that should happen by international law. it happened once. we are encouraged the ambassador got to see him. we are encouraged he is in good health and good spirits. he is a resilient young man. we are confident he will stay the course. the statements from the russians about possible prisoner swaps was a surprise to us. it contradicted what they said before, that they would be only interested in engaging in a prisoner swap after a verdict, had given the system, we would expect to be conviction. it came as a surprise. we don't have any information on what it might mean. obviously, any sign that there might be a possible agreement here between the two governments gives a little hope. we would encourage the u.s.
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government, as we have been since the start of this, to do everything we can to resolve this and get evan home to his family. >> what do you think the impact has been of his imprisonment and this false accusation on journalism? it's critical to know what russia is doing in the middle of the war. >> it's very discouraging to see journalism labeled as a crime in any country. it's hard to imagine a country that -- along with china, has a greater impact on the future of america than russia right now. if we can't get good information out of russia, then it's hard to predict the future of our own country. what he was doing there as a journalist was vital in providing accurate information about what's going on in the country that matters hugely to us. that void is really dangerous. >> our thanks to you. our tribute to his parents, his
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with vladimir putin threatening for months to be the first world leader to use nuclear weapons, tactical weapons in a deal against japan with of course the incredible bomb of hiroshima and nagasaki, a new documentary examines the life and fate of jay robert oppenheimer, the brilliant scientist known as the father of the atomic bomb. the film "to end all war" examines his brilliance but also how he misjudged the eventual impact of his cataclysmic creation and features footage of the first successful detonation of an atomic bomb known as the trinity test. here's a preview. >> ten, nine, eight --
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>> oppenheimer was saying to himself i must remain conscious. >> seven. >> i must remain conscious. >> six. >> seconds are hours. >> five. four. three. two. >> and all of a sudden -- the whole place lit up. >> "to end all war," oppenheimer and the atomic bomb will premier on msnbc sunday night at 10:00 p.m. eastern. joining us now is the film's executive producer and director, christopher castle and pulitzer prize winning author kye burt, he is the co-author of "american prometheus: the triumph and tragedy of jay robert oppenheimer," which inspired the film directed by christopher nolan.
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oppenheimer was such a complicated figure. he thought this would end -- this was so horrific, it would end all weapons. >> yeah, that's what he hoped. and so far he's been right in a way, you know, if you think about it as being, you know, he saw the deterrent factor of the atomic bomb as potentially keeping us out of any world wars after world war ii. we haven't had one, however, the threat still remains, and the weapons have gotten much, much, much more powerful and much more numerous, and so when we see things like what putin is doing in ukraine, unfortunately makes this story a little bit too timely. >> indeed, and you lived with oppenheimer for a long time as the co-author of his biography. there was a moral debate at the time, of course, of the creation and the use of the weapons, and he was tortured by it later. >> absolutely. he was very tortured and ambivalent, and you know, he was a highly intelligent man, and so
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he had to be aware of all the complexities morally speaking, and this recalls for me this story that i was told by his last secretary. they were walking to work one day in las alamos just after the trinity test. ann wilson is walking with him and he turns, he suddenly starts muttering, those poor little people, those poor little people, and he stops them and says, robert, what are you talking about? and he says, well, trinity has happened. the test worked. now it's going to be used probably on a japanese city, and there will be innocents will be the victims. and yet, we know that week he was also simultaneously briefing the bombadiers instructing on
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what altitude they should be droptd. >> to have the most effect. >> he could feel anguish to the victims and do his duty in presenting this terrible weapon of mass destruction. >> he was later, during the mccarthy era he was punished as a traitor for raising these moral issues. >> he was, yeah. by that time, his worst fear essentially had been realized in that the cold war took off, the arms race he had hoped to prevent had taken off, and the prevailing opinion among the military brass was we need to just go all in. we need to build hydrogen bombs and many of o'them. he had warned against that and he was in the way. he went back to his communist flirtations. >> that was a common intellectual pursuit in the 30s.
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>> it was different being a communist in the '30s, although he never apparently was one. it was different flirting with communism in the '30s than it was seen in the '60s. they were able to dredge you have these associations of his and use them against him and get him out of government because he was an opposing voice. >> kai, with all of his ambivalence, talk to us about that meeting in the oval office with prosecute truman. >> -- president truman. >> three months after hiroshima he had a meeting with the president in the oval office of in october '45. and it's his one opportunity to pitch to the president his belief that we now needed to contain the bomb, we needed to find some way to regulate it. he's in the oval office. he's going make this pitch with harry truman, and truman stops him and says, well, dr. oppenheimer, when do you think the russians are going to get the bomb, and oppenheimer says, well, i'm not sure, sir, but in a few years. and truman says, no, never.
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they're not capable of getting it. and at that moment, oppenheimer loses it. he understands that the president of the united states does not understand that there are no longer any secrets about this. other people can do what we have done. and he blurts out, you don't understand, mr. president, i have blood on my hands, which is exactly the wrong thing to tell the man who made the decision to use two atomic weapons on japanese cities. he blew it. >> and so he was investigated by the atomic energy commission. at the end of his life was, you know, just very, very difficult. >> it was. he remained at princeton. he had his academic pursuits. he was never quite the same. i think it was a sad way for him to leave government. he was vindicated at some level at the end of the last year when the department of energy decided to vacate the decision to have the hearings and therefore essentially exonerate him. it comes too late for him to
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really experience himself. >> chris castle, it's an extraordinary achievement. >> thank you. >> the documentary is just gripping. >> thank you. >> and kai bird as well. your research is just amazing. thank you so much. we'll be watching. . and make sure to watch "to end all war: oppenheimer & the atomic bomb" an nbc news studios production, airing sunday night at 10:00 p.m. eastern on msnbc and streaming on peacock. before we go, i want to just say happy anniversary to jimmy and rosalyn carter. they're celebrating their 77th wedding anniversary at home today in plains, georgia, extending their record as the longest married first couple ever. congratulations to them both, and that does it for us for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports," have a great weekend. remember to follow us online on facebook and on twitter @mitchellreports, chris jansing reports with alex witt today starts right now.
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♪♪ a very good afternoon to all of you, i'm alex witt. no sign of pulling punches, any minute now former president donald trump is expected to speak on the trail in iowa. one of the campaign's main focuses, the former president's prosecution directly going after the legal system and those in charge of enforcing those laws. now it comes as "the washington post" is reporting prosecutors involved in the trump classified documents case are now being harassed. they're facing threats as well. also this hour, inside the new jobs report, we're going to take a look at what it means for everyday americans as well as wall street. plus, 100 days behind bars in russia. wall street journal reporter evan gershkovich's family is not losing hope relying on president biden's promise f