we have more championship rings in the building. if you have any ideas for me, you can check with me online or go to arimelber.com. that does it for us tonight. the readout is up next. >> tonight -- >> the federal government seize voting machines? it's a terrible idea. that's not how we do things in the united states. >> new reporting says the special counsel is signaling interest in the bizarre 2020 meeting in trump's white house where his clown car team discussed how to overturn joe biden's victory.

also tonight, after the hottest days on record, has climate change already reached a tipping point? the meteorologist who left local news after his climate coverage led to a death threat joins me tonight. and america's economy is red hot. jobs and wages are growing. inflation is easing. so why isn't joe biden more popular? but we begin tonight with a crisis that is impossible to ignore. i often start this show with the most recent to solve on american democracy at the hands of the modern republican party or the supreme court, but tonight i want to talk to you about a different type of existential threat. y'all know it's hot. some of you in arizona spent the day trying to avoid 115 degree heat. next week, it might hit 120. earlier this week, i shared some really terrifying news. some scientists believed that july 4th of this year may have been one of the hottest days on

earth in 125,000 years. guess what. we keep breaking those records. new york's temperature set a record on thursday. the third such milestone in a week that already was rated at the hottest on record. the earth's planetary average surpassed the 62.9 degree mark. mind you, half the globe is in their winter season now and until monday, no day had passed the 62.6 degree average in the 44 years since such records have been kept. these mind blowing facts, because climate change isn't an opinion, are largely due to a dangerous combination of surging temperatures and the return of el nino but that is not all. the oceans are warmer and sea ice levels in anarctica a dropping. beijing hit 104 degrees, putting the city on track for one of its most severe heat waves on

record. last week, a scorching heat wave in india overwhelmed hospitals and filled a morgue to capacity. in spain, temperatures have exceeded 110 degrees. 100 people died in mexico because of their heat wave and here in the united states, more than 20 million americans were under heat alerts. in the midwest, a place many assume is a climate haven because of its location and water resources, they are suffering through a near record drought. crisping fields across the corn belt. in texas, temperatures have reached 120 degrees and caused at least a dozen deaths including a postal and utility worker. they died days before the governor signed a sweeping new law eliminating mandated water breaks for certain laborers including construction workers. the law doesn't go into effect until september 1st but those happened to work outside. abbott's law is grotesque. here's what a welder told npr.

>> can't just tell a construction worker that's working in 100 degree heat the heat index being 112, 15, they can't stop and take water. that's cruel and unusual punishment, i believe. >> we've also seen unprecedented wildfires burn through canada, sending bans of choking smoke down to the united states. the director of europe's climate change service told "the washington post" we have never seen anything like this before. we are in uncharted territory. but as vox points out, this is not surprising. it is what signists have been warning us about for decades and they say it will only get worse. one of those experts is chris galloninger. the chief meteorologist for cbs affiliate in des moines, iowa. he has spent nearly two decades warning his viewers that the extreme weather incidents that we're experiencing were linked to the climate crisis.

>> if you look at the summer we've seen so far as our planet continues to warm, the third warmest just released today, the third warmest summer on record and that is a data set of 128 years. here's why it is important to be stewards of the earth. we have eached our 529th consecutive month. we have some low 90s, too, in the mix and also poor air quality because of those fires. again, as the planet warms, a lot of these fires are gaining steam and seeing explosive growth because of the warming planet. >> he told npr news it remains the existential crisis of our lifetime but not everybody wants to hear that. yesterday, he ended his career as a tv meteorologist, citing in part a string of death threats from one person and the resulting ptsd. the viewer sent him a series of hostile e-mails telling him to

stop spreading a quote, liberal conspiracy theory, which is nothing but a quote, biden hoax. he will now focus entirely on finding ways to help communities to deal with the climate crisis. joining me now is chris. after leaving television, he joined woods whole group. also joining me is jeff goodell, contributing writer for roller stone and author of the new book, the heat will kill you first, life and death on a scorched planet. i want to start with you because it seems pretty frightening that our favorite person usually in local news, i used to work in local news and everybody's favorite person was the weather man. the meteorologist was the most popular person. maybe the sports guy for a close second. you're telling the truth, it's your job and you're getting death threats. >> thanks very having me.

i started this journey in boston at nbc where i started the country's first weekly series on climate change and it kind of gained some steam. i was picked up by a couple of news directors who had me bring that message out to the midwest where we are at the mercy of mother nature. 11% the gdp in iowa is agricultural. we produced 64% wind power. that is what powers our grid. true renewable energy. but yet the second i started mentioning it, the pushback started to stream in. different from boston. at that point, i was preaching to the choir. here, it was going into the lion's den. you know, it escalated to the point where i received a death threat and a gentleman pled guilty and received a whopping $150 fine but after 2016, that was the tipping point for people felt like they were entitled to just unleash hate and that is exactly what we saw as journalists and scientists. >> you had pushed back before.

i grew up out west and there are some parts of the country where there's this weird sort of duality. people care about nature because they care about being able to hunt. they want nature to remain pristine for the things they like to do outside, but there's this resistance to the idea that what used to be called global warming, which was maybe not a term that worked so well, but changed the climate crisis is real, did you get pushback before from people who were like i don't like you talking about climate crisis? >> sure. i mean, you get the typical responses. the climate's always been changing. you kind of have to laugh at those responses. even in boston, i did this documentary for nbc boston where i looked at environmental justice communities and the impact that the climate crisis was having on black and brown communities. i received pushback even in boston, right. that was almost like taking two hot topics, fusing them together. i expected it. but here, it was much more

dialed down. and we were talking about data. all i was doing was providing those trends and you used that clip just before introducing me where we were talking about having more 90 degree days we're seeing. how much wind power we're generating. how many homes can that power? this was exciting stuff and not really overly controversial and you know, what started as just kind of like ebbing and flowing of the criticism again reached that peak last june and it ended up in a year of therapy trying to work through some of these emotions. we work wild hours, 3:00 to 11:00. my wife is home alone. those thoughts weigh in the back of your mind. >> yeah, absolutely. i totally get it. jeff, thank you for being here. your book is titled the heat will kill you first. yeah. the heat is killing people. there are people who are literally dying while their governor is saying you have to work outside without a water break. this is surface air temperatures

and it's scary when you just look at it as a graph where you see it spike up from 1979 to 2000. there's another graph here. that talks about a side by side of the coverage of sea ice in the northern hemisphere and you can sort of visually see it change over time. this is data. it's science. why do you think there is such an emotional resistance to believing that the climate crisis is real? >> that's a very good question. i think that you know, if the problem is the climate crisis effects everything, right? people don't want to think that you know, their actions, what they're doing, can have this kind of a profound impact on the world we live in. people deniers often cite oh, it's just a small percentage of co2 in the atmosphere. how could that possibly have such an impact? this is some kind of conspiracy with bill gates or whoever else,

and we're all profiting off this. and this is some kind of you know, scam, that everybody is running. and you know, it connects with the anti vax stuff and anti partisan warfare. what we're seeing is this playing out and it's playing out faster than even the most kind of supposedly alarmist climate scientists were talking about a decade ago. >> right. and the thing is we can feel it and see it. you can actually see the smoke when new york turns orange. and we know that is from wildfires. people say that's not climate crisis. and you have really horrific hurricanes that just take out you know, whole towns in florida and people say yeah but there are always hurricanes. do you think that this is mostly due to very successful propaganda by the oil and gas industry? joe manchin got a sweetheart give me deal in what was otherwise a really great bill that helps the economy and builds infrastructure but he was able to sandwich in a way to

take down the good things that the biden administration is doing in climate because he's just determined we're going to get more coal and we're going to drill for more oil. is it just mostly the propaganda by these industries that just want more money even if it kills the earth? >> well i don't want the underestimate the power and influence of big oil and the fossil fuel companies that you know, they have had a huge impact on how this is shaped. and we know now that big companies like exxon mobil have known for a long time what the impacts of rising co2 levels have been. it's not only that. people don't want to think their world is changing this way. they want to you know, maintain the status quo and climate change, the difficulty with it is it's both enormous and subtle. right? and it's hugely consequential and it's slow moving. and it's very easy to deny.

it's very easy to just say, oh, it's always been hot. or there's always been storms. it's sort of a very difficult threat for us to get our brains around generally even if you didn't have oil and gas industry spending billions of dollars spreading propaganda. >> is there anything we can do about it at this point? >> sure. there's a lot. i mean, you know, we can you know, learn more about it. we can fight hard for it. we can vote. make clean energy and climate part of our what we vote for. we can talk to people about it. we can become activists. there's this whole narrative, we're done. there's no point in it. and that's kind of coming from the other side. it's exactly the opposite is true. there's a lot we can do and we need to do it soon. >> and chris, i'm going to give you the last word on this because now you're working full-time on this project. what can we do just on a

day-to-day basis because i think there is a sense of doom and gloom because you're like well me throwing this one or two cans into my recycling isn't doing anything. so i think people feel a bit helpless. are there things we can do on a day-to-day basis? >> it's exciting, the potential. it's job growth. it's people that want to maybe retool their skill set and go into something in the green energy space. a lot of islands are thrilled with the renewable energy program they have here. so also getting involved. working on building resilient communities and working with their climate adaptation plans as a scientist, but as a professional communicator and building climate literacy the all we can do. if we can talk about it and when it's top of mind, that's when you get change. that's when you get change when you go into election day and you find the candidate that's doing the right climate action. and i think you don't need to quit your job and devote 100% of your energy on to climate change

but when your community is finding ways to adapt and mitigate climate change, get to those meetings. talk about what you want and be engaged and that's all you really need to do. >> i appreciate that you are doing that. both of you are trying to help and we're trying, it's a tough thing to talk about on tv because people go, i don't want to hear that. i appreciate you. my fellow veteran of the local news beat. appreciate you and jeff goodell, i'm going to read your book. i'll be terrified but i'm going to read it. up next, it does look like the special counsel is taking a special interest in a bizarre six-hour meeting in the oval office in the lead up to january 6th. e oval office in the lead up to january 6th.

during the january 6th committee hearings, we got a glimpse into a white house meeting that took place six weeks after donald trump lost the 2020 election. a meeting former white house aide cassidy hutchison called unhinged. >> first of all, overstock person, i've never -- i don't know who this guy was. actually, the first thing i did, i walked in, said who are you. >> and whoever the other guy was should nothing but contempt and disdain of the president. >> what they were proposing i thought was nuts. >> can the federal government

seize voting machines? it's a terrible idea. >> about thermostats being hooked up to the internet. screaming at me that i was a quilter. >> i'm going to categoringly describe it as you guys are not tough enough. or maybe i put it another way. you're a bunch of [ bleep ]. >> a motley crew of trump's sycophants. trump's lawyer, disgraced national security adviser, flein, and overstock ceo, patrick burn. basically the couch's version of the pillow guy floated proposals. according to cnn, jack smith is now questioning witnesses about that six-hour meeting. which took place on the night of december 18th, 2020. four days after the legitimate electors had met and finalized the election results in each of

their states. the white house meeting ended after midnight. after which the soon to be ex-president fired off his big protest in december on january 6th. be there, will be wild tweet in the wee hours of the morning on december 19th. joining me now is andrew weissman, former fbi general counsel and senior member of the mueller probe. great to see you as always, andrew, that that tweet always to me was the most important moment before january 6th itself, right? because this is when donald trump makes january 6th the thing. most americans didn't know what it was. only us super geeks knew it was the important day in every presidential election year. he made it a thing, called people to the capitol. so for you, when you look at that meeting and all the people that were there, what does the jack smith's interest in that

meeting? there's the tweet. say to you. >> so it is a very important meeting and the tweet is very important but as zoe lofgren said earlier in commenting about this, it is important to keep this in context because there's so much more to what donald trump was doing because he had engaged in pressuring the department of justice. he engaged in pressuring state electors. he had tried all sorts of ways. so this was coming down to the last possible ways of overturning the election and the will of the people. so it's obviously very important that that context around it should not be forgotten. obviously what happened at the meeting as you alluded to is just it was completely antithetical to a democracy. you had people talking about taking over the department of justice with the likes of sydney powell of all people.

you had the idea that the military, with no facts whatsoever, would seize voting machines and redo the election. begin, completely antithetical to a democratic process. and the tweet really fits in with that theme, which is that one of the things that the president was trying to do is say okay, here's another way to pressure congress if none of this works. to me, this suggests that it's both looking at donald trump, at his activity at that meeting, but also the other people who were there who were definitely not you know, off the radar screen. >> let's put them back up again because you have in this room, donald trump, powell, flynn, giuliani. the overstock ceo, which god only knows why he was there and some of them wondered the same thing. emily newman, pat cipollone,

trump adviser, eric hirsch, the one who said that's nuts. derek lions, the staff secretary. mark meadows who keeps coming up and matt morgan, a trump campaign lawyer. afterwards, cassidy hutchison snaps a photo of literally mark meadows walks giuliani out to make sure he leaves. trump then tweets sometime after that, it's going to be wild. i note that because the two key dates, andrew, had passed. december 8th, which is when they have the formal sort of finalization of the electoral count process then this december 14th date which is when the electors have set it up in all their states. the real electors have done what they're going to do and yet trump comes out of this six-hour meeting saying something's going to happen on january 6th. it seems like that's the key, right? because the question is what did he say is going to happen?

what did he conclude from that meeting was going to happen? you've got a lot of january 6th defendants saying trump is who brought me here, made me do this violence. >> absolutely. i would add to that list that they've gone to court and lost everything. so the challenges, a reason those dates are so critical is that they actually had their opportunity to be heard and they lost all of those cases and pat cipollone to the january 6th committee said something that i thought was right on point. he said there's a certain place in time where it's put up or shut up. it's like you have evidence, this is the time to tell us. and to this day, there is no evidence. i mean, we just have to look at the recommendation of the d.c. bar today that rudy giuliani should be disbarred because he had no evidence to support the claim that he made in federal court that the election should be overturned and to me, it's

all of the piece. there is no factual evidence. so that is really the key to the reason why i think there will be a criminal case by jack smith is because there's to this date, no factual support for any of the step that is they were taking. >> right. >> and it couldn't be more serious. >> the thing is that i can't get out of my mind is that they meet for six hours with this looney tune crew and somehow donald trump, not just him, steve bannon on january 5th, says basically, watch your butt. something's going to happen tomorrow. they came out of that meeting with something of a plan. we don't know what it was but it's hard for me to believe that they didn't come away or at least donald trump didn't come away believing that after those legal failures, after they had exhausted the true electoral college process, what is it he think they could do? it was all over and yet he

believed if you march to the capitol, something was going to happen. i'd be shocked if he wasn't indicted. how shocked would you be if he's not? >> i don't even go there because i think it's going to happen. and to your answer your question, do i think the strategy was, i think the strategy was and still is might makes right. this was just a simple question of i don't care about the facts. i don't care about the law. this is a question of whoever can just have power and can keep it. regardless of principles. regardless of the fact that we have a long history of a peaceful transition of power. in this country. >> yeah. so i just think that is what was going on. what is the next step, which is why they were talking about having the ordering the military to redo a vote. >> yes. it would be like storming the oscar stage when the only purpose of the people on the stage is to read what's in the

envelope. literally the vice president at that point is the guy on the oscar stage reading the envelope. everything is over. so for them to think that somehow they could make him do something that he didn't have any power to do, i'm with you. it tells me that they thought something violent was going to happen. my opinion alone. it's always great to have you on. your opinion matters much more than mine because you're an actual expert. thank you very much. coming up, a pretty weird week for ron desantis and don't even get me started to be alternate reality candidacy of robert kennedy jr. okay, i'm wrong. you can get me started on that. that would be next. started on t that would be next

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it's official. casey desantis has entered the race.

florida's first lady released a new ad to launch mamas for desantis. really, mama bear fascism. it's the latest plug for desantis' bare bones platform. what is he promising other than tormenting gay kids and the workers who fuel florida's economy? meanwhile, bidenomics are winning with job numbers up and unemployment down. but why are his approval numbers higher and if things weren't weird enough, it is looking like a conspiracy theorist with a weird name could be a bigger thorn for biden. robert kennedy jr., prominent descendant of america's most famous political dynasty. he is now garnering 15 to 20% of the democratic vote in recent polls. just make it make sense, please. joining me now to try to do that is cornell and mara gillespie.

i'm going to go in reverse and start with you, cornell. the numbers on the economy are actually very good. today, we got another jobs report that is excellent. people who were swearing it was going to be a recession are like where's the recession. all the indicators of the economy are in good shape. number one, why do you suppose that is not impacting joe biden's poll numbers more and why in some polls of the democratic potentially voters base interested in one robert f. kennedy jr., who is a strange guy. >> well, let's put some context around this conversation. joy, if you you go back to 2011, the summer of 2011, before going into his re-election, barack obama's approval numbers were in the mid to low 40s. he was digging out of an

economic recession. if you go back to further, some context on this. look, the economy, all the economic indicators are better right now coming out of recovery than they were going into 1984 when reagan famously said and ran that famous ad that sort of woke americans up and said hey, maybe things aren't as bad. the historical context for this i think is important. but you also see what biden and the vice president and vice president harris is out there beginning to do now. and that is it's not going to sell itself. >> right. >> they're going to have to tell americans and talk up the economy and talk about what they've been doing. we were in focus groups about three weeks ago with some sporadic voters who have, who joy, i want to say they're watching msnbc and your show constantly, but they're just not. >> they're not. no. >> they're not.

>> their mamas are and their grandma. >> mamas are and their going to vote. but these young voters, they are not tapping into these sources of information. they are not aware of the fights joe biden is doing on their behalf and they're rattled about the student debt conversation and they have no context for that conversation. so the president and vice president over the next couple of months are doing the right thing. they're going into red places. the president was in georgia and south carolina touting the manufacturing jobs that are coming back and the chips investment and what it's doing in this country. i think you're going to have to see them do that over the next couple of months just like barack obama did going into 2012. >> yeah. absolutely. and giving it a name is very smart. sort of hash tagable name that you can call it and brag about yourself. there is more i think another couple of factors that play into the election. it is the boredom factor. i have this overall arcing

theory that americans, we have peace and prosperity. anyone change just for change's sake sometimes which i think explains some of the rfk jr. stuff and people's sort of depression post, you know, pandemic depression about having to have their lives changed. and there's this thing about i just want someone young. in theory, the overall change, mood, the kind of whatever boredom mood in theory should help desantis but he seems to be doing everything you can do to unhelp himself. he has become such an extremist. he's so weird. he then goes out and tries to blame the media for his sagging poll numbers by bragging about how much money he's raising then it turns out it's a lie because he just transferred it from his fund from when he ran for governor. why do you suppose that the person who in theory should be

the person benefitting from the boredom and change desire is such a disaster? >> there isn't a huge difference between the two of them as opposed to their age and desantis has spent so much time on wokeism and attacking disney. he is so obsessed by it and trump is so obsessed by his own personal woes. they're in the same lane. right now, the former president is high in the polls. it's not too surprising at this point in the race but for desantis, his biggest problem i would say similar to hillary clinton's problem, they don't have mass appeal. and across the board, they're not going to be able to get the nomination. if joe biden had run then, he would have gotten it and i think it's a similar change for desantis. he is going to be in a position

behind trump. >> and nobody wants a six-week abortion ban. nobody detests black people with the intensity he does. to stay with you for a second, the trump party seems to be fighting itself. so marjorie taylor greene just got booted out of the freedom caucus was she called boebert a little b word. why are the loopy ladies fighting? >> it's going to be really interesting to see because greene was i believe kevin mccarthy's in with the house freedom caucus so without her, leadership's going to have to figure out another way in to appease them, more or less. you're right about republicans. we are the party. we are going to continue to lose if we are so strict on abortion. it will never be a winning issue and speaking to the loudest voices in our party is honestly going to make us lose again and

again and again. >> i agree. i think i would guess that cornell is with you, too. thank you both. very much. still ahead, a remarkable new film from msnbc studios. the acclaimed director of to end all war joins me next. d directod all war joins me next.

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that is not a small thing. >> that was a quote from jay robert oppenheimer, known as the father of the atomic bomb. in the new msnbc documentary premiers sunday night at 10:00 eastern. the documentary talks about the race to reveal the bomb and is comp rations. once it was built, oppenheimer and american leadership thought it was essential to show the world that america had this weapon. >> they wanted to make this happen. they didn't want the war to end before it happened. oppenheimer wanted the bomb to be used. because how else would the world know what it was? >> the documentary details the multiple options they had including avoiding civilian deaths by bombing the tokyo bay in a show of strength but they decided instead to hit civilians as hard as they could in the hopes that nuclear weapons would never be used again but after

that, oppenheimer had a crisis of conscious and spent years warning of its dangers. >> in the years to come it will be possible to kill 40 million american people by the use of atomic bombs in a single night. i'm afraid that the answer to that question is yes. >> joining me now is the director of to end all war and journalist, kye burr. co-author of american prometeiest and the movie which opens in theatres this month. mr. castle, it's a great documentary. i've always sort of thought of oppenheimer as a villain to be honest with you. we're the only country that's ever used atomic weapons on people. but he emerges as sort of a villain, but also sort of a tragic figure. which do you kind of come away from this film thinking that he is? >> more of a tragic figure.

you have to think about the motivation for him doing this project in the first place which was he was a jew of german descent. 1939, the nazis discovered nuclear fission and we believed they had very much of a two-year head start on us in terms of going for the bomb. certainly nobody wanted to see hitler be the first to have an atomic weapon. that was the motivation for all the manhattan project scientists throughout the war. where it gets murky somewhere germany's defeated and the target shifts to japan. and oppenheimer by that point so far into it and he i think along with many others rationalized that it was better to show the world what this weapon could do than to let it lie on the shelf as a threat that nobody understands. so we can certainly debate the ethics of that idea but i think that was his point of view. going into the bombings of hiroshima nagasaki.

>> yeah. which were chosen deliberately as two of the only cities that hadn't already been bombed out for reasons you just mentioned. mr. byrd, when he has this crisis of conscious, one of the most fascinating >> expresses, i have blood on my hands, and expresses his regret. and truman throws him out of his office. he's really angry that he would dare question. it then he goes on the trajectory where he becomes public enemy number one, having been the most celebrated scientist in the country. by the end of his life, do you get the sense from being a biographers his, that he regrets ever having created this weapon? >> that's a good question. he never expressed any regrets. he was a scientist, and his attitude was that you could not on invent, you could not stop science. and so it was going to happen. but you are right, he went into

truman and was anguished and said he had blood on his hands and truman threw him out and said he never wanted to see that crybaby scientist again. but oppenheimer went on, determined to warn americans and the world about the dangers of the weapon that he himself had created. he literally, that same month that he saw truman in the oval office, he gave a speech in philadelphia and he said something astonishing. he said, this is a weapon for aggressors. this is a weapon of terror. and it was used on an already virtually defeated enemy. and he warned about the dangers of a dirty bomb. he warned about the dangers of third state actors using this weapon as a terror weapon in new york harbor. he was obsessed with trying to warn people about what was the

danger that we all now have to live with. actually we now see how timely this is with the war in ukraine. we are still living and the story is not over. it may and badly. >> you're absolutely right. and his fear of the h bomb, the hydrogen bomb, even worsen even more deadly. mr. cassel, it even gets into the post war world war two period in the reds care. it's hard for people to imagine that people would question, is this guy communist? is he actually dangerous? but that is what happened to him. >> that is what happened. going into the cold war we now had this other nation that was also developing nuclear weapons, and there was an incredible amount of fear about what the russians might do or anyone that has any sympathies with the russians might do. so he was caught up in that and really i think was probably the primary target, really, of that mccarthyism and probably the

most prominent of the targets taken down by it. there is relevance to that today when we think about scientists were still in the line of fire may be voicing opinion different from where the powers that be want to hear and so you can apply that to climate change, to covid, scientists are still under threat for voicing their beliefs. oppenheimer going down contributed to a fear among scientists that they should not get political and not speak out. and you saw that in the decades after the many scientists went about their work in just tried not to make any waves. . >> it's such a fascinating story, and i really thank you for making the film and writing the book, which i'm now going to read as well. i have a very long reading list, chris cassel, to end all war oppenheimer and the atomic bomb. it streaming on peacock. it is so good. do not miss it.

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some really tough news after the msnbc family. basically the thing is about tv, is that people that you make the shows with, very quickly become their extended family or producers the director of the folks that make you up and throw lights on you to make you look like you're not in my mother your mother's basement,

the people talk to you and your ear, but the leader of the crew inside the studio is the stage manager. they are literally the friend who hangs out in the room while you do the shower. they give you the three, two, one, go and interpret the directors instructions. my very first stage manager on my very first show, the read report, back in 2014, was a guy named don wormley. i inherited him from my friend martin beshear. they had a constant banter that was basically like a sitcom. and i gotta say, don and i had our own sitcom, as well. we managed to talk and laugh our way through every single commercial break, whether we were cracking on each other like siblings. he used to call me a big sure all. now it's a reference, just google it. and i used to call him don wormley, or if we were giving about our kids or spouses or our lives. i genuinely love this man, who many people called big were. and he retired in february after knowing he wasn't whether

we'll. in a big lull retirement party. well, don is not here anymore. this seems awfully unfair. he passed away with his beloved family beside him this week. he was only 59. so do lots of love tonight to don's wonderful wife, parma, their children, and their grandbaby. his work best diana and a whole crew at msnbc in new york. because we are family. and when one of us is gone all of us are lost. love and miss you, big warmer. and that is tonight's read out. all in with chris hayes starts now. yes starts now. >> good evening from new york, i'm chris hayes. we've got new reporting tonight that special counsel jack smith's team is looking at the hectic days at the end of