>> now, it's the end of the story of what happened to jake his friends fought for him, his family fought against him and in the end it is hard to tell who won. >> that's all for this edition of dateline. i'm andrea canning. thank you for watching! >> good morning, what are we doing here on the saturday? well, it's morning joe weekend. so let's dive right into the week's top stories. >> those losses in the midterms, and the presidency are not disappointed performances and losses. they are real, they happened, and there's no doubt about it. no way around it. and the case can be made that he is a loser. because since he got elected in 2016, he has compiled a string of them. he or his supportive candidates of loss to many races. and right now, people are voting their hearts.

and they tend to vote in primaries for the candidates that they feel closest to. that they would like to see president. they are not voting about who they think could get elected. that may come back to haunt the republican party in 2024. because if you look at the democrats what they think of the race, they think that trump is going to win the nomination. and they think that biden will be beating him. because he did beat him. >> the case can be made that he is a loser. fox news analyst with an accurate assessment of donald trump's political track record over the last several years. in the opinion shared by one of the country's most conservative political groups. that group is out with a new attack against ronald trump. >> ask yourself, is it worth the risk? america is struggling because of joe biden's policies. but with donald trump, republicans lost the house. lost the white house, and the senate. and we have lost our chance to

capitalize on biden's devastating record. if donald trump is the gop nominee, we could lose everything. the house, the senate, the white house. it is time to look to a new leader. unless we are willing to risk it all. >> connecticut, jonathan lemire, eddie junior with us. joining our conversation. msnbc contributor, mark botanical, editor of the new york times, marjorie, and host of the podcast on brand with donny deutsch. donny deutsch, an modern-day algonquin roundtable. great to have you here everybody. let me ask you a question. does all this feeling about donald trump, someone within the republican party expressed by the -- group that we could amounts of this guy, does it amount to anything if people are in his sprawling. when you look at the poll numbers, when he is indicted he goes up in numbers. 30 points 40 points over desantis.

does it mean anything? even the coax with their influencer. does it mean anything? >> i think we need to add a preparation of phrase to the question does it mean anything for the republican primary. because it seems to me in terms of the base, in terms of the voters, the base voters that define, that are active within the context of the republican primary. i am not sure. we just heard in the segment in the early hour six, o'clock hour, mike pence faced with the question. so we have to still believe that donald trump is still the president. we have to still believe in the big lie so i don't know if this is any attraction among those voters. >> it's also a digital ad, not much really. so they haven't really poured any money into the sea at. we will see if that changes. they are giving voice to the belief that some republicans have had for a while. where they say look it's been mentioned on the show from time to time. that the republican party is in a losing streak. i won't go through the years. >> someone should look into it.

that's why there has been hope to rally around an alternative trump. and the way that they feel about ron desantis, because he was the guy that so many thought would be. and his campaign has done nothing but it's studied at this moment. poll numbers have slept. >> it's hope, it's this idea that some all great alternative will show up. there's rhonda santas, will glenn youngkin jump into the? race someone to unseat donald trump. >> the amazing thing about this to me is you really see the invisible hand in the cold weather ad of donors in the republican party, extremely wealthy individuals who have their own separate agenda. and have kind of said, we will go with whoever will give us control of these branches of government that we can deregulate and make more money whereas, there is a big gulf between that i think and the average trump supporter who says that trump is my guy. trump understands me. i am trump. some people in this country feel like they to, haven't had

a way in a long time. so that doesn't necessarily mean they're gonna get up on their candidate if they see trump as their guy? i don't know. i think there's a disconnect in the everyday lives and interests between republican donors and the republican base. i will see if this resonates with them or not. >> and donny, it's important to say. we're talking about the primary here. doesn't matter in the primary? maybe not. they don't appear to them, and many of his supporters are buying them arguments argument, the witch hunt argument, but the argument here is to win a general election. return to the white house. and most certainly among independent voters. this does hurt donald trump. >> it doesn't seem to matter. first of all, if you're gonna say something is wrong with this product. a losing proposition. you have to give them an alternative and the alternatives that i've seen so far are not doing it. there's nothing that's gonna change a week from now or a few months and now that it's gonna take the 50% for donald trump. and start to move to 25% of

rhonda scent. is a possibility of a newcomer, glenn youngkin is the guy. but i don't know how many times in the show we have seen here is the new goal line. and i guess it's gonna change. and these people are dug in. they are dug in. it is something so much deeper than trump. it is a belief system, it is a screamed elites. i don't think that there is a person who is going to come along and an ratchet. that and turn that spigot. i think that trump is a guy. >> the more people come for that, the harder that they get in their quota. they are trying to get rid of our guys. with donald trump, yesterday, speaking of ron desantis. that the campaign for governor desantis is in quote, total disarray. trump made the comments on social media. writing in part, quote, ron desanctimonious is get absolutely demolished. no crowds, no, interest he's hurting himself very badly. for 2028, wrote donald trump. meanwhile, governor desantis is defending a controversial, and frankly bizarre campaign video

that attack former president donald trump's views on lgbtq rights. the video features passed tweets and comments by trump. and ali sent legislation that desantis has signed in that state of florida. >> i will do everything in my power to protect our lgbtq citizens. >> caitlin jenner would walk into trump tower. and want to use the bathroom. you would be fine with her using any bathroom she chooses? >> that is correct. >> in the future, can transgender woman compete in this miss universe? >> yes. >> make -- great again. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> donnie deutsch ad man extraordinaire. what am i looking at here?

>> the ad man extraordinaire is stumped. [laughter] [inaudible] [laughter] the answer is, desantis is failing. and he is trying to completely move to the right of trump. but the lgbtq thing is, do you think that this is moving voters? are you? and pick trump as a patron of this group? as an ad guy, there's one thing i learned about leaders, it's that people aren't stupid. i don't know the voter that is going to see that and go. you know what? i'm going with desantis, you're my guy. and desantis is such a dark, dark, dark character. i've talked about it on the show, how at the end of the day, candidate trump, even though we eviscerate him, there is a likability if you are a trump guy about him, he's entertaining, he's allowed, jacked this in that. this guy just dark, the prince of darkness. that is one of the darkest, most bizarre, twisted, deviant ads i have ever seen. >> he was defending it

yesterday, bipartisan backlash to the video by the way, many people calling it homophobic, governor desantis standing by the ad calling it fair game. >> i think, you know, identifying donald trump as really being a pioneer in injecting gender ideology into the mainstream. where he was having men compete against women in his beauty pageants. i think that's fair game. because he is now campaigning saying the opposite. that he does not think that you should have men competing and women things like athletics. and so we have been very clear on. it that we believe and protecting the rights of our girls. and the rights of women athletes to be able to participate with fairness. and with integrity. >> in response to those remarks, trump campaign spokesperson said quote, a desperate, campaign with a fooling candidate is in the last throes of relevancy. maher, it's been saying many times in the last few months of

governor desantis, he's playing small ball. he's trying to win a national election, and he's going after regrets of things, and leading into his anti-woke agenda. i'm sure that's works with a small group of supporters, and many in the country and may ragnick with. but you're trying to -- the coalition that just preaching to the choir. it's >> like he went to finishing school at the heritage foundation or something. i don't know who he thinks that this is resonating with. i also just have to say that the added, selves a couple of people have said this. it's homoerotic. there is something about the ad that is a little odd to begin with. and then of course, broadening it about. i really feel strong about men who are secure in their own masculinity don't feel the need to shout about it from the rooftops. everywhere they go. and denigrate others. it is small minded, it makes him look small. and it is embarrassing. so sometimes when you see open

hate like that, the best thing that you can do is condemn it. but also, knock it down a few pegs. and this is just really silly. i mean, i can't imagine what americans are gonna see this. and have this change their mind. it might motivate democratic voters to start paying attention. and i think if that is what he has succeeded in. that maybe what we're looking at. s succee>> i'm smiling, becausei remember a gay friend of mine saying, was that an anti-gay ad? i saw brad pitt looking hot in his boots. [inaudible] [laughter] from my vice president mike pence running. he's out, and of course seeking the white house. he is trying to engage with voters on what he could and could not do on january 6th. during our meet and greet in iowa yesterday. pence defended himself after a woman falsely claimed that he had the constitutional power to

block the certification of the 2020 election results. >> if it wasn't for your vote, we would not have joe biden in the white house. joe biden should not be there. do you ever second guess yourself? that was a constitutional right that you had to send those votes back to the states. >> let me speak on the issue. because i think it's an issue that continues to be misunderstood. i know by god's grace i did exactly what the constitution of the united states required of me that day. states conduct our big elections. -- you certainly would never want one person in washington, tc deciding who the president of the united states was. the constitution avoids no authority to the vice president or anyone else to do the -- or return votes to the states. never been done before, and should be done in the future.

that's actually what the constitution says. the constitution was [inaudible] >> saying donald trump was wrong about my authority that day, and he still run. after that vote and i, like he was told about republicans getting out the truth of voters. like the one who had confronted him there. let others like donald trump continued to push the big lie. >> this is another issue, we have to take our place to folks. with they've been told something different about what happened that day. but i have great confidence in republican voters. the people in our movements love our constitution. and the opportunity to make a case clearly from what the constitutional says is something i always welcome. >> you have mike pence out there again, he's done this many times before. going out and explaining calmly to a voter why everything she has heard online. while everything that she has been told on those serves that

she watches, and the politician she follows, that's not true. and why there were 60 or so cases adjudicated in the courts that says that 2020 was a free and fair election. there was no wrongdoing. trying to give it to joe biden. but it is an uphill climb. and that was one voter. and it's not clear if you change the mind. or convinced of anything. at least he's out there doing. >> in the past 8 to 10 minutes of this discussion has been extraordinarily depressing. because it portrays the state of american politics, largely conducted by one party. the republican party in this country. and it makes you wonder whatever happened to morning into where kara. ronald reagan's great big campaign slogan 80 or 84. whenever that is. when he attempted to put a smile on everyone's face. another republican contrived each and every day. and each and every candidate. everywhere to put a scowl on americas.

face it's midnight in america for the republicans. america is at its and. the diminishment of america's obvious to everyone they tell us. the lights are about to go out on our democracy, they continue to tell us. they have all of these contrived ads that have the sanctimonious at that you just showed. you have several candidates that cannot wait to out-negative the other candidate on the stage, a platform, or a q&a. and you keep wondering when is america going. and when is america gonna say what is one of these people? what is happened to this country in the sense of what the republicans have done to this country? you can take the maga judges, you could take the judge down in louisiana. who basically void at the first amendment of this country. perhaps voided it. you can take the comments of any of the candidates. almost all of the candidates and it's terrible to say it about this country on an everyday basis. they're attacking the fbi.

they're attacking the justice department. they're attacking the american. military they are wrong to be in the ukraine to stanford to mark. rusty in for the liberty and freedom of a specific country in europe. they were against all of that. and the darkness that is slowly starting to develop all of the political character we hear. and show each and every morning. on this program. in other programs. >> up next. governor ron desantis is trailing donald trump by a wide margin. why his supporters are sounding the alarm about his campaign. that story is next! at story is next

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new reporting that shows the top spokesperson for the super pac supporting round desantis is raising flags about the florida governor's ability to overtake donald trump in the race for the nomination. calling the desantis campaign the clear underdog in a twitter

space event that was recorded on sunday night. >> in national polling, we are way behind. i will be the first to admit that. i'm gonna be really blunt, and really honest. it's an uphill battle. i don't think it's an unavoidable battle. by any stretch. but clearly, donald trump is the runaway front runner. >> that's steve cortez, meredith, speaking on behalf of the super pac that supports ron desantis. not saying anything really that we don't know to be true. which is that he is way behind. and whatever he has done so far to produce himself to voters, haven't made much of a dance in the support for donald trump. so how are they viewing this now? how are they approaching this? they have had a couple of months to introduce him to the country. to present a case to make him an alternative to donald trump. though not much criticism of donald trump himself. what is the path forward here? >> steve cortez is stating the obvious, as you said. the desantis campaign has been behind trump by double double digits in a lot of these national polls.

and even though he's been out on the campaign trail, he really has not been able to caption the type of momentum that people who are not for the trump candidacy would hope that he would be able to do. and steve cortez was pretty blunt in this twitter spaces interview. he was talking about trump being the front runner. he did say that he hoped that them nor people got to know desantis, got to know his personal story. and political story. that hopefully these numbers were changed. but overall, he was talking about how just how big of an uphill battle this is really going to be for the desantis campaign at the moment. and you know, the desantis campaign has talked about how this is a marathon and not a sprint and i can't emphasize that enough it definitely is and we still have many many months until the first nominating contests but as foreign was talking about there in south carolina and the show of force in the amount of enthusiasm the republican party has for donald trump right now being able to attract tens of

thousands of people to stand out in the hot summer heat to see hear him speak. we're not seeing that from any of the other candidates out on the campaign trail right now. >> it was interesting when cortez himself actually jumped from being such a trump supporter to being a desantis supporter because he had been so loyal to donald trump in your kind of listening between the lines there that there is some movement perhaps of him moving back to donald trump saying that this will make him a better candidate. one of the things i'm interested in seeing with trump and the moments and these crowds is that there is less of the 2020 stolen election big lie stuff going on in the crowds. it's about the legal issues the message is still the same. the state's against me and i have been robbed i am the victim of an injustice but now it's about all the legal fights that he's facing and legal challenges that he's facing and a little bit less about 2020. he's such a tuned candidate that he does instinctively move the message is the same.

getting the support of the voters at the same. but he knows when to move on from something. >> you know caddie, it's interesting. that's an interesting question. an interesting observation. over the years donald trump has not changed his act. he has changed the rhetoric in the act from stage one to stage to whatever. but i can clearly recall a moment in january 16th, in a trump rally, in manchester, new hampshire in an icy,, icy freezing night and he made his way down and there was a huge cloud. the eclectic music. and when he started speaking q.c. what i call recovery campaigns. and crowds of everything like that. the leaders. people leaning in thinking that they can get closer to trump, listening to him. then trump had an act. and it was a good act. but it was based on his celebrity. the fact that he flies into states in his own plane. with his name on the side of the plane. that act still exists except that it is deeper and more dangerous today i would submit

and it is basically a seditious act. he is urging an overthrow of the government sometimes. he's very urging people to fight his legal issues. and foreign, my question is to you, based upon the continuum of the champ campaign from 2016 up to this very point. what do people tell you when you go through, circulate through the crowd. why are you for donald trump? why are you here today? is it toughness? is it that he fights for us? what did they tell you? >> you are exactly right. because it's fine for, them not only the administration. but continues to fight for. them and they view him in so many ways, like a martyr. much like, if i may, a great many of them view themselves. he has cast himself as the person who is paying attention to them. going to places like, pickens which has the fault population of about 3000 folks and is going out there and making a case and saying he is the one on the front lines to listen to

them and they truly resonate and believe that he is that person that is listening, and fighting for them and is under attack because he is doing the unpopular thing in washington. that is why we have seen him even shift away from representing the republican party. this isn't about a republican party takeover that at this point. it's about building a movement, larger than a party. and i think that's why he has found an ally in marjorie taylor greene, for instance. somebody who was there as one of the pre speakers before him the other day. and somebody who is echoing him. but enough further that way. one of the lines that she delivered was impeach biden, impeach mayorkas, impeach garland, cut funding to jack smith, cut funding to america, cut funding to ukraine. it is those key words. why? because those are the sources that are undermining donald trump specifically. that is what this is about. it is not about winning over and beating the democratic party. but it's about lifting up

donald trump and giving him the backing in the resources that it needs to continue to expand this movement that folks as maryland said. continue to come out in droves nine summers in the road to continue to build that movements that they can get a better crack at. it because they learned from the first administration. the barriers as donald trump put. said in a way that next time around. in a more of authoritarian way will be able to exert that executive power in order to make the necessary changes to actually better reflect the lives of folks. for example. in pick and south carolina. >> the other thing you hear of course is that donald trump gave us three support justices. they overturned roe v. wade. the holy grail across the country. and just last week affirmative action. so mary as you have this campaign from -- and others internally. what do you think happens here? what is the path to victory? is it the political path like

the indictments in florida. that only made him stronger? is it what happened around that mar-a-lago documents? what do you think the victory is here if you see one? >> that's one of the things cortez was talking about him twitter spaces. he mentioned that in all of these polls donald trump has gotten a significant boost in the aftermath of these past two indictments. and how hard that is to sort of overcome that. and i think as they move forward as donald trump continues to be embroiled in this media challenge he has attention from some of that to. one of that i noticed in the campaigns is to get any attention you had to be talking about trump. which creates a feedback loop of trump. and giving his campaign even more attention. >> after the break. a federal judge orders the

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the biden administration have been barred from meeting and communicating with social media companies about content on their platforms. a trump appointed federal judge sided with republicans attorneys general, saying the government went too far in curbing social media companies to address post they thought would contribute to covid-19 vaccine hesitancy. or a pending elections. they say government agencies like the department of, health and human services, and the fbi could not talk to social media companies, for, quote the purchase of urging, encouraging, purpose, saying or inducing in

any matter the -- containing free speech. the judge's ruling could go beyond. speech and doing more than a decade of work between the federal government and companies to curb criminal activity online. according to a white house official, the department of justice is reviewing the courts injunction and will evaluate its options in this case. this administration has promoted responsible actions to promote public health, safety, and security when confronted by challenges like a deadly pandemic, and for attacks on our elections. we reached out to meta, twitter, and alphabet for comment. but have not heard back. joining us, now technology reporter at the washington post. and the msnbc executive editor for -- david rohde. help me understand what the federal government cannot do that it previously was doing in terms of its communication with social media companies? >> this is an extraordinarily broad injunction.

that could have major effects on a lot of the communications that were occurring between the doj. various health agencies around the pandemic. an election. misinformation. now the judge and the obstruction does have some caravans to allow the government and its companies keep its credibility on insurrection. but this will have major chilling effect on major communications. and it also met limits some of the governments communications with african community groups studying this versification in the -- and stanford and the university of washington. >> there are some few carve outs here of a crime that has been committed. the government can still reach out to these social media companies. but there are people i talked to in the last couple of days. especially in the air of things like covid or the next pandemic whenever that might happen. but the national security

concerns as well. the election disinformation and the life. people who you have talked to who study this all the time. what is their level of alarm after this? >> they are very concerned. and what is happening is that there were mistakes made by public health officials in the beginning of the pandemic. but there wasn't a vast plot to trick the american people into taking a vaccine that would harm them. and so you have a talking point, a political talking point, turning into a court ruling. and that is what is so different about this, it is a reinforcing of these theories about what the government dead. and now restricting. themselves should fema not warn people about the hurricane. this is a public health emergency, it's the basic thing trying to counting it as a -- and public officials who are very concerned about for interference. or deepfakes in the 2020 election. >> david would it be fair to look from a little bit, 15,000

feet down on this rolling and other rulings like it. to make that claim on the theory that in a way the federal society wanted leo, and the former president with his judicial appointments. have changed the course of the country's legal history and in fact has put a big hand prints on the administration today because of these judicial rulings. >> i want to say not yet and i think that there is a good chance of the justice department will appeal this and the. biden administration will push back. and then we will have to see again where the supreme court comes down. and the broader trend is an increasingly political court system that is seen is making liberal or conservative rulings. conservatives have said that the courts have been to liberal for too long but the hyperpartisanship that we see in our polar ships is definitely affecting the court system. the judge who made the ruling.

trump appointee. has made some conservative rulings like this. so that is the slow encroachment on the courts and on their credibility and impartiality in the supreme courthouse. record approval at this point. so this worries me. i am a reporter. i tried to as i keep saying. i am show. as they get to the facts in the courts need to do the same they need players on either side of the parts of divide. >> coming up. the latest on the roar in ukraine. and the prison wall street journal reporter evan being held in russia by the kremlin. could there be another prisoner swap on the horizon? we're tied to have more james on the decision. psych! and i'm about to steal this game from you just like i stole kelly carter in high school. you got no game dude, that's a foul! and now you're ready to settle the score. game over.

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contact now with russia to discuss potential prisoner swaps. that's according to a kremlin spokesperson coming just one day after the u.s. ambassador to russia visited detained while street journalist gershkovich. they said that a spokesperson declined on tuesday to go into detail on that negotiation process. saying that continuing work to secure gershkovich and paul whelan. which is another american wrongfully detained in russia. gershkovich was detained in russia in march on a reporting trip. he was accused of spying. which he and the u.s.

government, and the wall street journal adamantly denied. we know he has been held in russia since 2018. let's bring in the retired four star navy analyst. chief jeffries. he's an msnbc news analyst. take us inside what you think may be happening behind the scenes. directly diplomacy within the united states to secure the -- >> i think of the memoir by my friend the, current director of the cia, bill burns. he called it the back channel. it's important because a lot of diplomacy is actually done best away from the glare of publicity. and surely hostage exchanges falling into that category. this obviously needs to be done without the media speculation about it. 0.2 is i think that there is a real chance here.

russia has a number of goals and in the form of individuals in presents both in the united states and this is key willing. and in the presence of some of our allies because we have given some of the highlights prisoners near them near viktor bout. we may have to broaden the quid pro quo to convince an allied to let somebody go in this case. and third and finally it shows that we can at least have a conversation with the russian federation that is not part of the war in ukraine. and it is important that we do so. not only for prisoner exchanges like this but for example, on nuclear arms control and other things that are in the interest of both countries. that ukrainian grain deal is another example of putting things off of the u.s. russia and ukraine track so hopeful

and let's keep it quiet. and we will end up negotiating with the russian federation here. >> that's your point. the white house saying quite on the. saying that they do want to proceed with caution. that there is no so sure thing to getting the deal done here. and previously there was some trouble convincing allies, germany as well providing to toronto. put it into context for. as as it's happening. these talks come as a contentious moment. for >> coming just two weeks now after the wagner appointed munich. talk to us about how you see him navigating this. the prisoner swap yes but also trying to figure out what to do with wagner. trying to decide if prigozhin should be able to remain in belarus. riddle warnings from the ukrainians and recent. days saying the russians may be trying something at the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plants just give us $30,000. --

>> putin is in the middle of a course called dictator one-on-one. dictated one of one is of course we learned that you can be we can buy those often the closest to you. you can be stabbed in the back. he is right when you cloud a grabs it in that way that's great news. if he were in stock and lost -- of his back with you jonathan. he's not broke, he's not a penny speck, he's not been given away. but he is. weekends what does he do? he rounds up the usual suspects if he. well he uses this opportunity to take out anybody who he sees as a threat. he strengthens the physical protections around moscow. the brigades protecting moscow are taking resources away from the war in ukraine. that is a good thing. but he will do anything he can to strengthen his position to the hostage discussion.

he will look at that as a way to demonstrate to the world that he still has power. he gave a speech to the shanghai cooperation organization. his group of allies partners, and friends over the weekend in which he tried to convince them that he remains on top of his game. he will do everything that he can to try and do that not only for the russian population but i think more importantly for him. with a larger world that still kind of swinging between the west and russia. >> coming up. from the 19th century to the present. our next guest joins us with a look at american childhood through photographs. you are watching morning joe weekend! ng joe weekend! i'm kareem abdul jabbar. i was diagnosed with afib. the first inkling that something was wrong was i started to notice that i couldn't do things without losing my breath.

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of american childhood. todd byrd surge or incest now with his new book. it is a collection of hundreds of archival photos that tell the stories of the country's youth. good morning. thanks for bringing the spoke to us. explain to we will go through the photographs. that the idea of the united states created the concept of childhood. and as you put in the book is now reconciling with its demise. >> yes. this was an idea that i could be came up with. as i was investigating what childhood has been for children in the century. and we have the first providing the nation and the first experiments. and the growth of the south. and the notion that each of us has something to contribute to that historical times. and what i think about that and i think about the notion that america that child who is here

to answer. and it's a separate period that nurtures that expression. distinctively american. >> let's look at some of the photographs inside. the first one we're gonna put on the screen is titled messenger boy. what are we looking at here? >> in late 19th and early 20th century. is there was a lot of focus on cyber labor. and factories in picture where students at the age of 14. he's not in the factory but he works for yesterday union delivering photographs and delivering messages. i'm -- it's a wonderful photograph taken by luis han. you know him and child labor. but factories, four years of age on the vocation she that he uses to smoke and frank and visits houses of parts of tuition. you may wonder how that summer nurturing of childhood? the focus of the china labor

acts in the early 20th century is that focused attention on what we were doing to our children. but even in the factories they showed us their intention to try to protect them. period. 17% of teenagers in the late 19th century actually attended school. the rest of them were ever working in factories are on farms. >> they hired already. let's look at another photograph. kim's many king villa abby rolled. >> photographer julie black man was shot and for covid with the rest of her family. and they were watching beatles documentary and a lot of people were watching during that time. and her niece came over and said that she was coming to sell some girl scout cookies. and the kids remembered and idea. they remembered this crosswalk here that makes the image on the cover of abbey road. so they went out in debt. it just something about the sense of wonder and creativity that children have that often

get sort of trained out of them by the time they become adults. and how important that has been really. the focus on how important that is been in american history. a lot of the great inventions, great businesses, great innovations, great cultural achievements. where originally the sparks of childhood imagination. so when i speak about the dangers of social media and then gun violence and bringing adult worries into the childhood, that is a way of sacrificing that moment of specialness unprotected period where they're able to wander and come up with ideas that turned out to drive our culture and in some choices are businesses in our success. >> this next one is really striking. spend a lot of time really looking at each face in the photograph from an orphanage. what is the context for this one. ? >> this one is interesting. when it's an orphanage in baltimore run by the --

sisters. it was started as a school in the early 19th century for african american children when the children were not allowed to be educated. it became when after the civil war since many children lost their parents. this one was from 1910 and the children who were wearing the aprons all of them are all orphans. you'll notice something something very interesting. several of them have dolls but they are white dolls. and you can see there for the image of racism in a picture that is really abstention lee just a class picture of offense. >> that does it for the first hour of morning joe weekend. more of the week's top stories after a break. after a break. how common is it? who can i talk to? can this be treated? stop typing. start talking to a specialized urologist. because it could be peyronie's disease, or pd.

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of morning joe weekend. we'll start right into more of the week's top stories. former president trump's personal aide, and codefendant walt nauta has been arraigned on six charges in the classified documents. casey pleaded not guilty to all counts in federal court in florida yesterday. this was the third attempt to a raid nauta who has hired a florida-based attorney, which allowed the proceeding to take. place it only lasted five minutes with nauta entering a not guilty plea on the clients

we have. he was acting as a coconspirator helping him hide files from investigators after trump left the white house, the charges include conspiracy to obstruct justice and making false statements not a faces up to 20 years in prison if convicted of the most serious charge against him. against him. let's bring in former u.s. attorney msnbc contributor barbara mcquade, barbara, it's good to see you this morning. so at least that finally got walt nauta rained on the third attempt and they saw an attorney who could represent him inside the state of florida and what is his place and all of this. and alleged coconspirator with donald trump. how significant a figure is he in documents case? >> i think it is certainly fair to say that he is a lesser plan donald trump who abuses his position as president, allegedly, to take these boxes and retain them, but what matt is a very instrumental figure here. we learned earlier this week

that less redacted version of the affidavit some more detail about his role. one of the things that was striking to me is that we know from the indictment that he was interviewed in may and said i don't know anything about any boxes, sorry, wish i could help you, in terms of when the government got the video of the recordings of the movement of those boxes, it was the day before they were interviewed that he was seen moving in and out of the storage room. his lies are very clear there, and in addition he moves boxes according to the video out of that storage room, and with some back into the storage room, but not all of them, and he is seen as calling trump's lawyer into the room to do that review of documents. clearly knowing it did not contain all the documents, but i think his role here is significant and his exposure is also many years in prison. >> walt nauta is incredibly loyal to donald trump.

as a matter of fact, we still see him staffing donald trump as a personal -- the judge has instructed the tonight to discuss the case. we will leave it to our viewers to decide if they think donald trump can exercise that level of restraint. they believe that there is any possibility of walt not finding a deal here or is he going to fight this on the instructions of donald trump? p? >> you never know. but the defendants that you are absolutely certain set i will never ever take a deal with their had in their hand asking for a deal as the trial date approaches and so it is always a possibility. but i think is best option for a deal has come and gone. if he wanted to cooperate, he had the opportunity to provide value before the government amassed all this other evidence from other sources. you are, go six months ago, i think his ability to cooperate now has been greatly diminished. i'm sure if he came forward and set up a plea deal, the government would listen, because you might have more information that he can shed

light on, it's also a possibility. i think as everything comes by, his value diminishes. >> so barbara, this is of course the third attempt to actually rain mr. nauta because he had retained legal counsel that could work there in florida until yesterday, and that led some to suspect that that is a delay tactic, that is the first of many perhaps that trump's side is going to utilize. i want to get your take on that. going forward here, we know this is a complicated case. we know the classified materials are evolved and that will slow things down. how do you see this playing out? do you think that this case will start in the december trial date that they currently have? >> i don't know about the december child it but is it a little bit ambitious. i think we will learn a little bit more next week when the parties going to visit with the court for a -- classified information procedures act. they are going to work through how they deal with discovery and emotions and trial and

handling these classified documents. and i think based on, that we are going to get a better sense of what a realistic child it looks like. i think it is absolutely feasible that we could have a trial early 2024, but i mentioned donald trump's strategy will be to delay it past the election. >> prosecutors are getting threats around this case or as well, barbara. washington report reports that they're facing harassment, threats online, and elsewhere. according to extreme experts in a government really familiar with the matter, the fbi says it is working with border agencies to assess and respond to the threats as the classified documents case moved forward. doj officials also responded by trying to keep the names of prosecutors and agents working on the trump cases from becoming public in official documents, congressional hearings, and even less formal conversations about the case. and evtwo officials tell the pot that federal agencies have not observed a general increase in threats against law enforcement

overall in the weeks since trump was indicted. that is a major contrast from a surge of reported violent rhetoric against fbi agents in the days following the search of mar-a-lago last august. so barr, as a former prosecutor yourself, how communist stuff? how seriously do you take it? and obviously, this all comes from the top. donald trump calling into question everything about this case saying it is a witch hunt, putting himself as a martyr. how did you as a prosecutor handle this and how does doj handle it now? >> this is not normal. from time to time, prosecutors to get death threats maybe based on someone they are prosecuting, but i think that we have reached a whole different era when we are sort of crowd sourcing the sort of threats. anytime former president donald trump says these things about witch hunts and hoaxes, calling for the defunding of doj, there is a risk that someone out there is going to hear that and take matters into their own hands and go after these lying

career prosecutors. i've had threats, others have had threats. the way that it is usually handled is that the u.s. marshals service can provide protection, sometimes including 24/7 protection, but it is very resource intensive. the prosecutors had better things to do tend to be checking in with their security detail, and they have lives. they have children. they have errants to do in their personal lives, and so this is a whole new day that the prosecutors have to think twice about whether they can do the job safely. >> and of course we saw this kind of threats to the secretary of state, attorney general in states where the electorate was in dispute, and all of trump is pushing his law about them. his lies. former u.s. attorney barbara mcquade, barbara, thanks so much, it's great to have your insights. despite this race of indictments or better perhaps because of, them for president trump has doubled his campaign fundraising. according to campaign officials, trump brought him more than $35

million and the second quarter. that is compared to the first three months of this year where he raised nearly $19 million. not clear exactly how much of his money is actually going to the campaign and how much is going to his pack save america, which funds trump's legal bills according to recent fund raising solicitations. at least 10% of donations have been going to the pack. so eugene robinson, this is in line with what we have seen in the polls that donald trump has surged because of the indictments against him, because of this picture he has painted of himself as a martyr and that he needs your money, he says to supporters to fight them and pays legal bills despite the fact he claimed to be a billionaire. because people like senator lindsey graham weeping on television, asking trump supporters to send money to pay the legal bills of a billionaire. this is how he does business, but the larger point is that he is surging in the polls and raising more money because of the indictments against him. th>> yeah, when you look at the

money and where it is going, you have to remember always watch for the grift when it comes to trump. so i would just assume right up front that a lot of the money that people are giving with thinking that is going to the campaign will really go to legal defense i somehow go to trump. that aside, sure, his base has rallied behind him and these indictments in terms of fundraising have been a boom to the former president. this is the counterintuitive crazy way that trump and maga work. it's a this is going to be really something for somebody like ron desantis to try to overcome. you are going to need a lot of money if you are going to knock off donald trump in the primaries. desantis does have a decent amount of money. he has a lot left over from his

gubernatorial campaign the last time, but he is not raising at quite the clip the trump's, it is just another indicator about trump really is ahead for the republican presidential nomination. >> still ahead this morning on morning joe, tensions continue to rise between russia and united states in the skies over syria. we'll explain what is happening now. and russian president vladimir putin wants a seat at the table when it comes to internet oversight on a global level. the washington post david ignatius joins us with this new reporting on that when we come back on morning joe. e. hi, i'm todd. i'm a veteran of 23 years. i served three overseas tours. i love to give back to the community. i offer what i can when i can. i started noticing my memory was slipping. i saw a prevagen commercial and i did some research on it. i started taking prevagen about three years ago. i feel clearer in my thoughts, my memory has improved and generally just more on point.

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on wednesday, military officials say three american reaper drums were conducting a mission against islamic state targets in syria with three russian fighter jets began to harass them. the latest provocations come after russian jets flew over american base and syria nearly every day in march. joining us now, columnist and associate editor for the washington post david ignatius. david, good morning. a lot to discuss with you. let's start right there though. what is russia up to exactly here? admiral serena's was on with us yesterday. the previous provocation when the fighter jets were chasing american drones over syria and just said, this doesn't it well for them if they really want to engage with the united states military. united states doing everything you can to avoid confrontation in the skies there. but what is vladimir putin doing with these chasing, effectively, american aircraft with these fighter jets? >> i see this as a kind of jousting. the two countries are not in direct military conflicts, but

there is some pushback going on, especially on the russian side. in syria, as the many parts of the world, but the u.s. and russia have created a system of deep confliction. i have been -- with u.s. forces where u.s. commanders would get on the phone in the fact to the russian liaison officers and say, we have got drones going in the air over such and such a place in syria and make them aware if there were incidents and that the russians to pull back. generally, those confliction measures work pretty well, in the last several years, certainly since the ukraine war began, that is begun to fray. there's more tension and we say the last few days to an unusual extent. the disaster is if american drone is shot down, it's forced to land. if there is a collision with a russian jet. we saw that kind of behavior out of the black sea several months ago. that was genuinely dangerous.

this is what countries do in terms of tension that they punch and counterpunch to show that they are there and they get closer and closer to the edge of a real confrontation that would put them in a entirely different really dangerous space. >> so david, speaking of russia of course, its invasion of ukraine will be front and center next week when president biden heads overseas. a weeklong stay in europe with the nato summit in vilnius being its centerpiece. we have heard from the ukrainians that they are really pushing their own bid to join nato. finland is in, so we did not yet, but we believe soon once turkey acquiesces, but now ukraine is making a real push, and some of the eastern european members of nato are backing it. what is your read in terms of the lancet you speak to on both sides of the atlantic as to where that can go, whether it is for this summit in vilnius or perhaps next nato summit next summer in washington. next summer in w ashing>> i think john, it is foe

future. the basic rule for nato, understandably enough, is that if you have a current border conflict going on with russia, you are not a candidate for membership. nato doesn't want to buy into a new member and then immediately go to war, that is not the deal. and so in one sense that is a incentive for ukraine if it wants to be a nato member to come to a satisfactory negotiation with some of the conflict. there is pressure from the baltic states, from poland, to move more quickly. i think the administration has not carefully about this and decided no, not yet and is pushing back. the question that i think officials are really haunted by is how do we give you ukraine guarantees and protection for security going into next year if it is not in nato. what is the alternative way that ukraine's strong enough

that there will be some real pushback for russia. people are still struggling with that. i've not heard a good answer yet. >> david, your latest piece in the washington post also deal with russia, and his title that russia has not stopped maneuvering for a role in interest oversight. what exactly does lead putin want to do, what does he want his role to be? >> and a strange as the sounds, the country that has been meddling in u.s. and european elections wants to take a leading role in writing the rules of the road for safe behavior and cyberspace on the internet. they do this every few months. i'm running about a new instance that just came to light in my reporting where they presented a proposal to the international telecommunications union, which is one of these obscure bureaucratic bodies that the u.n. has that oversees this world of internet and the rules, and that they have introduced a proposal saying that the

internet is fragmented. we need the u.n. to step and into more regulation. it is part of a russian claim that the united states and the west really only the internet, and that is not fair, and we should have international control. the idea that the united nations would policed the internet to me is a nightmare. you just look at how the u.n. operates, the bureaucracy, the slow moving pace of decision. the idea that they could control the most dynamic sector of the global economy seems like a very bad idea, but that is what the russians are proposing. >> it's a david, is there a chance that they get that role? with the u.n., with the world community allow that to happen? >> oddly, to me, secretary general antonio guterres has embraced part of the russian idea of that we do need some sort of collective rules. the state's government is pushing back. i'm told that we are working hard with our partners to

modify in the attempt to make rules that would really slow and politicize and control the internet. the strange thing is that the russians claim that the internet is now fragmented. but there are blockages in the internet. if there is a blockage, it is the controls that russia and china imposed that prevent them from using the internet. it's not a conspiracy by the west, far from it. this is the sort of thing that gets battled out in often in obscure forms. i tried to write about this morning, i think it's important to people know what's going on and see the russians doing this and they hope quietly in private that they get enough pressure to stop them. >> next, why gen z is less politically engage there was just a few years ago, and what that could mean for next year's presidential election. that story ahead on morning joe weekend. ing jo weekend. my skin and joints, i'm feeling this moment. along with clearer skin

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the supreme court rulings handed down last week, one of them on affirmative action, another on student loan forgiveness in a case that allows businesses to review service to lgbtq americans if they have a religious objection in service to congress and across the country abide of those decisions. democrats on capitol hill united against them. polling perhaps those last cut and dry. the washington post poll late last year showed 60% of americans were against considering race in college admissions. only 36% agreed with that idea for the ruling on refusing lgbtq services, results vary widely based on how the polls questioned his past. in a people from a few months last, 60% of american adults said they were in favor of a business refusing to provide services in situations where you can suggest support for lgbtq issues for which they have a religious objection. the recent nbc news poll that

asked if voters supported president student loan forgiveness plan showed 44% say it was a bad idea, versus 43% in favor. let's bring in the director of polling from institute of politics at harvard university. john deliver bay, he's an innocent person -- msnbc contributor and an author of the book fight, how gen z is generally their fear and passion to save america. that is now out in paperback. john, good morning. we have some new polling for us today, and what are some of your takeaways about how young people are feeling about how the young people are feeling about what had happening at the supreme court beyond. >> thank you for having me. this is a review of a couple of decades of polling that we have been deducting at the harvard institute of politics. essentially, when i look at younger voters, 18 to 29-year-olds, mostly gen z, keep in mind that this cohort, 18 to 29-year-olds with their older millennial brothers and sisters, will be about 40% of the electorate. and when you look at this cohort today compared to this

place in the 2020 cycle, i find that younger people are less likely to vote, they're less likely to identifies democrat, the less likely to follow the news, and the less likely, importantly, to believe the politics can make a tangible difference in the country and in their lives individually. >> and that's just a frustration with a system that they have watched since they were born. failed again and again in so many different ways. and so what is your sense of the way that these supreme court decisions may impact the energy to go out and vote and the energy to become active in the process. >> i think the combination of the supreme court in the republican congress, we talk about baseball. it's like a hanging curveball over the plate for democrats, but democrats need to identify that and to take advantage of that. this is just a second year in a row where younger people continue to feel under attack. a year ago of course we know it is a third of women losing, a

third of women in the individual states losing control of their reproductive health, and today we see kind of attacks on members of the lgbtq community, and it's more difficult for working class and people of color to attend college, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. it's one attack after another. that is just by the supreme court. earlier, you talked about what is happening in florida and places like that is well in terms of this generation really responding i think hopefully to kind of stand up and get the bouts of those who are more vulnerable even than themselves. >> and i remember last year we saw it seismic shift after the dobbs decision completely energizing women in particular, young woman to go out and vote in the midterm elections changing the face of our politics. changing the face >> i think ons i have looking at that data is whether there is anything that can actually bring some of those voters back? you saw much higher turnout for example in states like michigan where abortion was a direct ballot issue.

so is that something that not only democrats, but those who support women's right to choose for example in need to look at, and the democratic party should be looking at the data and should be concerned. it also really put that question to the white house, what can this president really do about the loan forgiveness failure at scotus, because there are a lot of americans who are extremely demoralized by that decision. that is exactly the kind of group that you want to show up at the polls. remember, there's a close alignment between college voters and democrats at this point, excuse me, college -- people with a college degree and democrats. i think that there is a lot of data to parse here. i don't know that these voters are moving over to the republican party, but they're just becoming inactive. the larger question of what it says about our politics is pretty depressing, as we've been saying this morning. some depressing news to parse through, because it suggests that there is not much trust in the system, and this is a generation of kids, of people,

young people, who have been failed as you said by the failure of gun control, climate change, and now the collapse of the democratic coalition it seems or the risk of it with the rise of fascism. and so it is suppressing times. i think that we need those voters back in this system. we need a competitive system, and you can't just lose an entire generation of voters. >> you think about what is happened between the midterms and now, right? in the midterms, we think about wisconsin, we think about michigan, when we think about the role of young voters, particularly in wisconsin, in some places we were actually saying in this show that young folk actually helped save our democracy. but when i look at your numbers, john, i see that the percentage of young people, black hispanic and white, who are disappointed in president biden's performance. what is the relationship between what we saw in the midterms, that kind of energy, in these sorts of numbers. it's not like it's two years

ago or three years ago or five years ago. it's just the midterms. help us understand these disapproval numbers with regards to the biden administration. >> eddie, what we first need to understand is that without younger people, there is not a biden administration. it was young people in particular in the five battleground states in 2020, some approaching 2022, which made the difference in state after state after state, and essentially the message of this research is that past results are no guarantee of future returns. the democrats need to take this seriously. specifically, talk about potential differences that. the biden administration has made. i don't believe in my lifetime there is been a agenda that is been more youthful than the biden agenda. when you look at bipartisan support for gun safety legislation, a couple generations it has not happened since then. when you look at the record low employment and 17 states i think in a variety of other things like the significant

investment in climate, but they are not feeling it on a day-to-day basis. that is the concern. when i look at the significant news and philadelphia on 95. that helps young people in particular. it helps you get to work, it helps them spend time with their young families. and as people get back to work in terms of deliveries. that is something that is specifically isn't just about infrastructure, but it's about impacting day-to-day life, and that's the kind of message that i think that needs to be delivered. matches from the president, but from everywhere all the way down to dog country. >> coming up next, a look at the work of team rubicon, a disaster response unit being featured in a new series where united states military veterans ride to the rescue after disaster. that is next on morning joe. they have all the top grills and gear. with smoking fast shipping. and wayfair deals so epic...

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into hurricane season, and forecasters already keeping a eye on the tropics. also watching the weather very closely, a veteran led humanitarian organization called team rubicon. the group is the subject of a new streaming series on the roku channel. take a look. >> i'm kevin o'connor. i work with a team at this old house that rebuilds old homes. when people run away from disasters -- >> hurricane ian is moving in our direction. >> this will be a heavy rain event that could impact life and property. >> these are the men and women who run towards at. most of them spent years volunteering to serve their

country. >> i'm watching this disaster unfold and feel a urge to help. >> the damage is astronomical, beyond belief. >> everything is tore up. >> i think we should go down there. >> the mission is to help the neediest. they call themselves -- >> team rubicon. >> i started calling marines that i served with. we inspired and watch this movement that would become a organization. >> come with us as we help those in need. >> joining us now, the host of the team rubicon series that you saw there, kevin o'connor along with teen rubicon ceo art de la cruz. art, i'm happy to see you. we saw our buddy jake wood in there, cofounder of teen rubicon. for people who are not familiar with the work that you do in the group, give them a sense of how this all started and how it is grown from there? >> yeah, so jake would started

this organization in 2010 after the haiti earthquake, and since that time, we've gone from those eight initial deploy arrest to a force of over 170,000 volunteers, of which are 50% of volunteers. and so we use the skills, experience education the military veterans have to help people on their worst day after disasters. >> but so art, it literally goes in my experience with team rubicon, disaster strikes, it has the news, and you guys see some weather coming somewhere, and then you rally the troops in a way that it's not unlike the work that you all did serving overseas. >> yeah, i think that that is a really accurate characterization. the reality is that just like the military, our volunteers are training your around to be ready when disaster strikes. it's about the preparation, it's about the process, it's about the equipment, and ultimately about the people executing. >> kevin, what impressed you most? you have seen some rebuilding in your time on television and outside of it, but what impressed me most as you watch closely and observe the work

that team rubicon does. >> when i deployed to start watching this show, every person that i met, you cannot tell who is a veteran, he was a civilian. every person that i met woke up from a hot sweaty gym or ymca and was ready to work. they did not ask who they were helping, they didn't complain that the food might have been a little cold that morning. they want to get some stuff done, and it is this mentality that you are surrounded by with everyone who shows up there but they just want to get busy helping their neighbors, and it is very inspiring. >> so walk us through some of the disasters that you guys responded to for these shows, and how did it, how did this differ from the work you are used to doing? >> we met team rubicon back in 2017 after hurricane harvey. they're doing cleanup and rebuild, and that is sort of what we do on this old house, which is about how to rebuild houses, make them resilient. what is different here is the immediacy of the response. it's a literally a storm happens and they have boots on

the ground within 24 hours. the things that we did when we were responding to hurricane ian, which is a long term cleanup, and we also would get the call that a tornado touched down in alabama, and we had to be there within a day or so. immediately, they started setting up operations so that they can help the homeowners that have been helping survivors. we have been cleaning up, and it's a ton of hard work but it is incredibly satisfy things to do. >> as you said, our hundred 75,000 registered volunteers with team rubicon, 55% of them are military veterans and you don't have to be a vet to get involved. if somebody is watching this and want to jump on board, what is the best way to do it. >> team rubicon have sadat org. we love your support and we love to see you in one of our great shirts. >> it is a great day out there, and you can watch the entire team rubicon series for free right now on roku tv. go online, sign up to help out as art just set. kevin o'connor, art delacruz, thank you for being here today,

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the president died of a cerebral hemorrhage. >> april 1945 was one of those months in which the fate of the world seemed to turn on a dime. >> fdr dies, followed by hitler committing suicide. >> hitler's empire burns and sizzles. >> the bomb was conceived in a kind of anti hitler fervor. by the spring of 1945, hitler's out of the picture, and then that seas are no longer the threat. hitler's not going to build an atomic bomb and drop it on new york. that's not going to happen. but there was no way they were not going to finish that weapon. >> they wanted to make this happen. they didn't want the board to end before it happened. oppenheimer wanted the bomb to be used, because how else what the world know what it was? >> harry as truman was sworn in as president of the united states. >> by the time truman gets to the presidency, the wheels are emotion. this bomb is going to be dropped somewhere with the

death of hitler, the target them becomes japan. >> during us now, the films executive producer and director, chris castle, and pulitzer prize-winning historian and journalist, kai byrd. he is co-author of the book, american prometheus, the triumph and tragedy of jay roberts oppenheimer, which inspired the upcoming film, oppenheimer, directed by christopher nolan. good morning to you both. kai, i want to start with you. i had a chance privy to see the film, the oppenheimer film that christopher nolan movie. i saw in imax and it blew me out the back of the theater. the movie inspired by your book, and this new nbc news doc is just for students of 20 century history. you just gobble it up. it's so well done and so good. so, if you can, just a little, bit pink for our fevers a picture of the circumstances? we just saw hitler has died, now, the focus is on japan and ending that war and how things really went to warp speed to get this bomb built. >> oh, absolutely.

oppenheimer is at the center of this. and we come back to him repeatedly, because he is the author of the atomic bomb and he's given us the dawn of the atomic age, and we're still living with that. that weapon. and trying to figure out how to live with it. of course, he was determined to make sure that the world understood, during world war ii, what had been created. and one of his arguments was this weapon needed to be understood as something so large that's it would make all were impossible in the future, that it was such a terrible weapon. >> chris, as you set out to end all or, this extraordinary documentary film coming to

msnbc this weekend, what surprised do you? i think a lot of us have a knowledge of who robert oppenheimer is, of course, and a little bit about the story behind the race to build the bomb and two and world war ii. but what about the story did you find that you didn't know? you didn't realize? >> yeah. well, i think one thing that was interesting that's kind of an aside we talk about at the end was the fact that he essentially discovered black holes before they were actually discovered, which is something that's not often talked about in terms of looking back at his resume. but the same day germany invaded poland in 1939, he published a paper, basically predicting that black holes could exist. and they weren't discovered until 1971, after he died. so, it's always been said that have they've been discovered when he was alive, he may have won a nobel prize for that work. which is something that eluded him his entire life. that was really interesting. >> we learned so much knew about him that you may not have known already.

chris castle, caper, thank you both for being here this morning. the nbc news studios documentary, two and a war, oppenheimer and the atomic bomb, premiers this sunday, ten pm eastern, here on msnbc. then, streams the next day on peacock. it is well worth your time. up next, the story of an afghan girl who taught herself math and became a quantum computing researcher. our conversation with her right after the break. ter the break. e chronkidney disease... there are places you'd like to be. like here. and here. not so much here. if you have chronic kidney disease, farxiga can help you keep living life. ♪ farxiga ♪ and farxiga reduces the risk of kidney failure, which can lead to dialysis. farxiga can cause serious side effects including dehydration, urinary tract or genital yeast infections in women and men, and low blood sugar. ketoacidosis is a serious side effect

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one afghan girl who dared to dream and escape the oppressive taliban control who was crushing her country. the story of this woman is detailed in the bucket defiant dreams, the journey of an afghan girl who risked everything for education sola mahfouz was born in afghanistan in 1996 and came to realize an education would be her only way out. so at the age of 16, without even the basic ability to add or subtract, she began secretly to teach herself math and english. then in 2016, she managed to escape to the united states where she is now a quantum computing researcher at tufts university. sola joins us now along with her defiant dreams coauthor -- thank you both of you for joining us. so sola, let me start with you, your story is extraordinary. before we get at what you're doing at tufts and what you're

doing in the united states, tell us a little bit about your upbringing in afghanistan and your access, or lack of access to education their, and what life looked like for you in afghanistan. >> thank you for having us. i grew up in afghanistan and its age 50 16, i did not even know how to add and subtract. it all started when i was 11 years old. i was forced to stop going to school. a group of men came to our door and threatened me if i continued. and from that day, on the restriction on my life only continue to increase. i left home only a couple times a year, and whenever i did, i had to wear a suffocating burqa that covered me from head to toe. this book is about how, through education, i escaped that life. i strategic myself english and later math and science.

in three years, i went from how to add and subtract, and i went on studying college level calculus, physics, philosophy, ole miss equally of my home. after many many obstacles, i was able to come back to the u.s. and now i am, as you said, a researcher at tufts university in quantum engineering. >> i can't imagine what the journey was, like sola. it must of been terrifying. you're desperately yourself out of afghanistan into pakistan and then somehow you managed to get yourself to united states. whether every time she thought you might give up and just go back home again? that it was going to be safer for youth and trying to travel through the world by yourself as a teenager? >> there were many many times that i felt that, because every step that i took to move forward, there was a new set of problems that i had to face, but then whenever thought like i want to give up, i would say to myself, if i don't stand up

for this thing, then what would my life mean? what will i be able to stand for? >> just to expand on that sats tory for a minute, because it's really incredible, sola had this challenge because she was studying in secret, and so she was unable to prove her education in order to apply to u.s. colleges in so first to try to get it certificate from the ministry of education, but they would not even look or in the eyes because she was a woman, let alone give her the proper paperwork. then she tried to take the american ged, but it turns out that was not offered in afghanistan or the neighboring countries, and so that as a t become her only way out of the country, so she crossed one of the world's most dangerous borders where it is common for people to begin with electric cables where you have to take multiple vehicles, were men and women are separated. she made it to pakistan to take that test, and that ended up allowing her to get out. >> malaina, sola's story is one

that ends well, ends here in the united states, but obviously there are millions of girls still sitting in afghanistan today who have even less access to education then sola did because the taliban has banned education for girls, and ditto around the world as well. i'm wondering if that is what appealed to you as a writer about this story, malaina, it's not just about one person, it's about girls and so many countries in so many situations. >> exactly. and i think beyond sola's incredible persistence in her personal determination, it is the fact that this book is the story of one girl but it's also the story of a generation of girls, and her being denied that fundamental right to education. now, we're watching history move backwards in afghanistan. there are so many mothers that have experience freedoms in their life that probably their daughters will never see. i think sola's mother is an example of this. she was a student and then a professor at kabul university,

but then she was confined to her home and she had to watch as her daughters could not even finish their own winter school education. stories like this just too important i think not to tell. >> and that does it for us. we're back monday at 6 am eastern time, we'll see you then, have a great rest of your weekend. >> this is the katie phang show, live from miami, florida. we've got lots of news to cover and lots of questions to answer, so let's get started. cluster bomb controversy. as president biden prepares to head to the nato summit, he oks a major move that could help change the course of the war in ukraine. what we know about the pentagon's plan to provide the weapons that many human rights groups are blasting. top not so secret. you concerns that twice impeached, twice indicted, won her ex presidential reporter some of the nation's most sensitive secrets while in office. we're going ep