>> a very good day to all of you from msnbc world headquarters here in new york. welcome everyone to alex witt reports. developing this hour, a brand-new report reveals former trump chief of staff john kelly said the former president asked about having the irs look into fbi officials.

the assertion, part of a statement made by kelly in connection with lawsuits brought by fbi officials lisa page and peter strzok. i will talk with the reporter behind the story in just moments. also today, in a report from the washington post says prosecutors in the trump documents case a facing substantial harassment and threats. congressman eric swalwell himself has faced threats from trump supporters stressing the dangers to msnbc. >> maga extremism is so bankrupt of any ideas that it really relies on violence in threats and ultimately chaos to tear apart our communities, and then yes, too often the victims are family and staff who are often in fixed positions while the target of the threats is off and on the move. >> in d.c., barr disciplinary panel is calling for rudy giuliani to be permanently disbarred as a lawyer. the panel argues the former

trump lawyer should lose his license over efforts to undermine the integrity of the 2020 presidential election, saying his malicious and merit-less claims have done lasting damage. a new push back this weekend after the u.s. announced it will send clustered munitions to ukraine. a group of nearly two dozen congressional democrats urging the president not to transfer the controversial bombs, warning to supporting ukraine does not require we undermine u.s. leadership and advocating for human rights around the world. president biden defending his decision. >> ukrainians are running out of ammunition. it took me awhile to be convinced to do it, but the main thing is is that they have the weapons to stop the russians now from keeping them from stopping the ukrainian offensive through these areas or they don't, and i think that they needed them. >> this comes just days the 500th day fighting in ukraine. president zelenskyy marking the day by posting a video of him visiting snake island.

that is a symbol of ukrainian resistance. we have several reporters in place for you from delaware to las vegas to chicago. we will begin with nbc's allie raffa in rehoboth beach with the president. ali, welcome, how is the white house reacting to the backlash of the cluster bombs to ukraine? >> yeah alex, well the white house was well aware of how controversial this decision was going to be, especially when you consider the ban on these cluster munitions by more than 100 countries. some of the nato allies. that is because of what is called the -- rate. the number of munitions that are not immediately deployed or exploded when these musicians are set off. sometimes, they could remain unexploded for days, weeks potentially months or years. obviously, that poses a threat to civilians in that area, but the administration is standing by this decision, because it says that giving the ukrainians

these munitions that they desperately need is a far better option than the alternative here. national security adviser drink sullivan lay this out during the press briefing yesterday. listen here. >> we recognize that cluster munitions create a risk of civilian harm from unexplored ordinance. this is why we have deferred the decision for as long as we could. but there is also a massive risk of civilian harm if russian troops and tanks roll over ukrainian positions and take what ukrainian territory. ukraine would not be using these munitions and some foreign land. this is their country there defending. these are their citizens, they are protecting. they are motivated to use any weapon system they have in a way that minimizes risks to those citizens. >> the president defending this decision in a interview with cnn, saying it was not an easy decision to make, but he did so after consulting with allies as well as lawmakers on capitol

hill because ukraine was running out of munitions. he says that the munitions that the u.s. will be sending to ukraine have a very low rate. that these munitions will give ukraine the leverage it needs as it continues this counteroffensive. all of this alex happening just days before this next nato summit in lithuania. no doubt this decision as well as ukraine's really fight to just become a member of this nato alliance no doubt will be a major focus during that summit. >> you're 100 percent right on that, all right allie raffa, thank you. let's go now to las vegas where nbc's vaughn hillyard is following donald trump on the campaign trail. so vaughn, welcome. it seems like candidate trump is leading into his criminal indictment to woo voters. what more can you tell us about his message? >> right, he's taking his legal parallel on the road, and we should note that this in the vote it will be his first stop as a 2024 official presidential candidate since his november announcement to this key early primary state.

for donald trump, he is using the focus in the attention around the criminal charges against him and the pending investigation still underway as a way to animate his base of support. that base of support is going to be fundamental to his ability to ascend to the republican nomination, and then ultimately, if he were to win it, the general election against joe biden in november of 2024. i want to let you hear yesterday in iowa the report of donald trump's remarks trying to get that base of support rallying behind him. take a listen. >> if i fly over a democrat state, a blue state, i get a notice, we want you to report to a grand jury, we have to keep this. if they want to run against me, they would not have me under federal indictment. because in the end, they are not after me, they are after you, and i just happen to be standing in the way. that is true. >> alex, he would go on to say that they're trying to silence

me because they are trying to silence you. it is important that we play the words of the former president, because this is the messaging that millions of americans are taking in, and millions of americans believe that this is a politically motivated effort by the department justice and district attorneys in the likes of georgia and up in new york to take down the front runner for the republican nomination, and donald trump is not stopping. he's continued to go on the route. he will be here later today in las vegas addressing we expect this our hundred folks, supporters of his campaign. and for donald trump, it's also putting us over social media. he's posting numerous social media posts over the last days, calling jack smith the special counsel deranged. oftentimes putting out misinformation. but really, this is all a effort to galvanize and draw the tension right back to him in his own political efforts. >> but that whole line, trying to silence me so they can silence you. so if you think about, it it

doesn't really make sense, but so does a lot of what he says doesn't really make sense. i am just putting that out there to, vaughn, as you are reporting on him. thank you so much my friend. let's go now to a new report and this headline. trump asked about arresting curry of fbi officials, ex aide says, under oath. joining me now on the phone is the author of that article, michael schmidt. what she correspond for the new york times. michael is also an msnbc national security contributor. welcome, this is a heck of an article, it's a let's get into it here. apparently got this information from a sworn statement. it came from john kelly. we all know he was donald trump's second chief of staff in the white house. what does kelly say, michael, in this statement? >> joey says that trump brought up i arrested mitigations, investigations of other agencies -- these were two top fbi officials who were involved in

trump's ties to russia and discuss whether investigations could be opening up into them, and kelly says that he thought it was trump's desires to have investigated. kelly said he did not follow through and what trump wanted, but to backup his statement, which came in the statement of penalty for jury. he provided contemporaneous notes that backed up at least one instance in february 2018. >> and that's relevant to the page, the kelly's hockey for about a number of people that he says trump wanted investigated by the irs. well city name? >> kelly has said in an interview with us in november of last year the trump discussed wanting to have james comey the former fbi director and comey's deputy, andrew mccabe, investigated by the irs.

that is significant because as we reported last year, there as conducted these highly unusual invasive audits on both comey and mccabe. inspector general said they found no wrongdoing in how they were selected for that. there's no evidence that kelly said he did not act on when trump brought it up to him that he wanted for comey and mccabe to be audited, but what you have here is a pattern of trump discussing private his desire to use the powers of the federal government to investigate his rival. rnmentand in the case of comey d mccabe, they were audited by the irs. they were very invasive audits. in the case of -- he was subject to the criminal investigation that was done by john durham into how the fbi handled the russia investigation and general.

now you cannot tie trump to forcing these investigations to creating them, but it sort of raises the question about if trump was saying it kelly was an acting, not years after kelly left, and what really happened here? >> interesting point to your story, and again, but hauling by saying that john kelly says he never followed through on these things. but he also says that donald trump did not want him to take notes in the meetings. i cannot even matching running a country through an oval office not taking notes on what the president united states wants to have done. why couldn't he take notes from he was having meetings with donald trump? what is that about? >> this is something that trump has said before. he said to his first white house counsel that he did not like lawyers, he likes lawyers he did not take notes, and trump has repeatedly said that his aid that he does not like it when they document what he

says. as kelly says in the sworn statement, trump said he thought that these could be used against him later on. as we have seen, donald trump's own word afghan him into trouble. his own words in the audiotape that was part of the indictment that was brought for his mishandling instructing and returning classified documents to the government, his own words can be very incriminating to himself and he seems to have had at least some awareness to that by telling kelly he didn't want him to take notes, and this is something as i was saying that he has said to other aides. >> extraordinary that he would not think about others being able to recollect details and facts that they under the penalty of perjury would be able to share if queried about them, but let's talk about the timing of this, because it comes after a federal judge on thursday rejected the justice

department to prevent trump from sitting for a deposition filed by the former fbi officials that were talking about, peter stark and lisa page. why would the doj want to block trump for being deposed? >> my sense of it, and there were two -- struck in page. individually, they brought lawsuits against the government for violating the privacy rights and releasing their emails and -- also being wrongfully terminated, and in the course of this, they want to question donald trump about what roles he may have had in his firing or any other actions they were taken against them, and in the course of that, his lawyers have pushed for the ability to question trump to find out, what did trump do to have struck fired, and the judge has allowed them to do that. interestingly, as you are

saying, the biden justice department is trying to block that. i think that at the heart of that is issues of precedent that they would not want for presidents to be openly questioned about different rules that they took when they were in office, for the judge so far has sided with the ability of the lawyers to question something. >> okay, michael schmidt, thank you so much for weighing in. and reporters are going to the new york times today. and later on this hour, that has got to hurt. the bad news from rudy giuliani's law career. we are back and 60 seconds. and road-test evaluations... and the results are in. subaru is the twenty twenty-three best mainstream automotive brand, according to consumer reports. and subaru has seven consumer reports recommended models. solterra, forester, outback, crosstrek,

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this is according to extremism experts and a government official. trump's attacks include calling special counsel jack smith deranged in accusing him the misconduct interference. joining me now is nevada congresswoman dina titus, a democratic member of the house homeland security foreign affairs and transportation infrastructure committees. it's good to welcome you back, thank you for joining me. here's the question. is violent rhetoric turning into real concern for our security and what can be done to prevent any potential violence? >> absolutely. look at january the 6th of rhetoric leading up to -- >> law enforcement to legitimate or move forward outside of politics, but it's typical of the republicans that they want to defund the fbi. there used to be law an order and now the rhetoric is just heating up, and it does lead to possible attacks or harm, it's not just the individual.

it is their whole family as their attacked when they go out to dinner or if they're on homes -- and it's something that we are getting used to it because it is coming so much from the other side of the aisle. and it should be universally condemned. >> we should definitely get used to something like that, to live peacefully, my heavens. let's talk about the new poll which finds 62% of americans want trump's federal trial to take place before the general election. 57% of americans want before the primaries. do you think early trial could help reduce the prospect of violence that would be linked to it? if you put it there and things aren't quite as heating up hustling up to an election? >> certainly, the earlier that you do it the less it runs into all of the campaigning. that is in their primary as well as in the general election because the closer that you get to november, the more intense every policy becomes. this would certainly fall into that category.

i think a lot of people would like to just see it done, get it out of the way, and move on. that would include republicans as well as certainly democrats. >> speaking of violence, there were several devil shootings across the country this holiday week, and know that you tweeted the majority of americans believe we should take action on gun violence. how republicans don't. every day, they felt actors another day our communities are in danger. past my bump stock bill. what is it going to take to bring republicans to the table on this. given the horrific tragedies due to gun violence that americans have and continue to suffer through, you would think that they would work with democrats trying to stop them. they weren't trying to stop them, it's what they do, it is unfathomable. they can suit up a classroom of little kindergartners or an elementary schools, church, grocery store, and people don't feel safe anywhere. they always come with thoughts and prayers, and that's great, but it doesn't get the job

done. we have a gun violence prevention caucus and i am a member of it. there is legislation to do the bump site bill. we have over 100 cosponsors, it was that we have ever had this time. get rid of weapons of war on your streets, and tighten up background checks and just move forward. i cannot believe that the amara, it's been disgraced, has a much power. nearly two dozen congressional democrats are urging the president not to transfer the cluster munitions to ukraine. these lawmakers saying in a statement that the white house's announcement runs counter to congresses restrictions on the transfer of this weapons. severely undermines our moral leadership. where do you stand on this? -- >> well i agree with the 20 that you just mentioned. these have been, we don't need to use them because they are not going to be a silver bullet that ends this war. i have great respect for the presidents leadership within helping ukraine and in uniting

nato, but there are other things that we can do. i know we are short of ammunition, but let's speed that up and get that available so we can send it. let's look at the f-16, but these not only cause a great deal of damage and kill civilians when they are dropped, but it does remain in account and become like land mines and killed many people, especially children after the war, and we are going to have to do like a martial plan in ukraine when this is over, and that will make it even more difficult. >> yeah, definitely a difficult time, the president said it took a lot of thought to come to the decision that he did at this point. . let me move to the nbc news exclusive reporting which reveals that former u.s. officials have been holding secret talks with russians who are believed to be close to the kremlin. just yesterday, ukraine responded relative to that, expressing concern over the move. how confident are you that these back channel diplomatic efforts could help lead to the

end of the ukraine war? >> i think it is a good step forward, and we have seen it happen in the past. it happened with the oslo accords. it's building blocks, but it's certainly cannot make policy in close doors like that. it's two point oh her 1.5 diplomacy. it's kind of off the books, and we have said and president zelenskyy has said that ukraine has to be at the table when this is resolved. so maybe some discussion of policy, and some better understanding of when the two major sites stand, and we can't move forward with a solution without ukraine at the table. >> okay, nevada congresswoman dina todd, it's good to see, thank you so much. >> >> it matters because it can be deadly. the impact of the astonishing spike in temperatures across this country. (vo) this is sadie, she's on verizon. and she's got the new myplan, so she gets exactly what she wants and only pays for what she needs.

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a live look in oklahoma city there. as 14 early and people are facing severe storms across the middle of the country. flash flooding, strong winds and hail are expected throughout that area with possible tornadoes as well. meanwhile, millions of others are just sweltering in the heat. let's take a look at phoenix where it is already 98 degrees. he advisories are in effect today across the southwest in the south. the heat index expected to climb into the triple digits in

some places. joining me now from chicago lakeside a day believe is nbc's jesse kirsch. jesse, it looks like it is kind of cooling down there, i don't know, maybe that is just trapping in the mugginess? but tell us about the severe weather in the rest of the country and what it feels like in chicago. >> yeah alex, good afternoon. it feels like what it looks like here. it is cool, it's breezy, fitting for the windy city, and it has been drizzly in foggy like this throughout the day. cannot say the same thing for a lot of people across the country. you talked about these heat risks, 20 million people dealing with the extreme heat with wild weather headaches for people across the country ahead for days to come. >> after cars were caught in floodwaters in the nation's capital, mudslides hit vermont, hail roughly as big as baseballs crashed down in colorado, a wild weather week is not over. some americans are getting

relief, extreme heat for 20 million people across the u.s. friday. that was down from thursday's 24 million, but still dangerous for many. parts of florida in the southwest most at risk. >> yeah, unfortunately no relief in sight for us with the way things are stacking up so far. >> phoenix topping 110 degrees for the seventh day in a row. now reporting triple digit temperatures every day for more than three weeks straight. >> you can hear me now? on >> video from outside tucson shows what is to initials -- americans being suffering by heat stress being rescued by helicopter. sweltering heat in the u.s. in the world. for monday through thursday, we have seen a new estimate record for the hottest global average temperature set, shattered, and broken again. meanwhile across the plains, severe weather spreading 8 million people from denver to little rock, arkansas. two inch hail.

and further east, people experiencing flooding from northern new england down to washington, d.c.. n ew england down to wa>> and we are not out of the woods yet. 37 million people across stretches of the country are looking at the risk of severe weather tomorrow, alex, but for now here in chicago staying cool. can't say the same unfortunately for many people across the u.s. right now. >> yeah, we'll soak it up while you can, because it looks good there by comparison. meanwhile jesse, thank you for that, and we bring it to this, everyone. this hurricane season is not looking worse than first thought, all because a record warm water in the atlantic. and let's not protect 18 named storms, that is above normal. nine of those will be hurricanes, four of the major category three or more. surface temperatures in the atlantic ocean last month for about three degrees warmer than normal leading into these new numbers. next, the president's controversial decision that has been many in the democratic party divided.

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its decision to send cluster bombs to ukraine. the controversial weapons explode, scattering dozens of small bombs over large area, unleashing more widespread destruction than a single round. nearly two dozen democrats are pushing back against the decision, where they can increase civilian casualties. let's bring in peter baker, msnbc analyst and chief white house correspondent for the new

york times. hello to you, my friend. give me a sense of what went into the white house's decision to send the cluster bombs to ukraine, how difficult the decision was it to make, and it officials foresee all of the backlash the president would be getting even from democrats. >> yeah this is something they've been discussing inside the white house in the administration now for quite awhile. they felt pressured to take this action because regular ammunition, basically the running out of. they've been working to find other sources of that for ukraine, including south korea and other allies, but basically a looming shortage pressed their hand, they felt, to make this decision. now they understood perfectly well that this would put them at odds with in fact our own allies in nato, banned these kind of munitions. they knew it would generate some consternation on the hill from their own allies. they were prepared for that. i think they themselves, a lot of the officials will tell you that they were troubled by the decision themselves. they are reassured by the pentagon which says that these

munitions have a low debate compared to the russian cluster munitions. and this, case they say the debt rate is around 2%. now there is some disagreement about that, but the point being that they do not infect it dissipate large numbers of unexploded ordinance being there after the war is over, which has been a problem in many countries. and as you say, there's a big debate starting to brew about that on capitol hill and among our allies. >> i have to say, i was listening to jake sullivan, national secured visor yesterday, and they have to demand this whole area as it is because that is what the russians have unleashed on ukrainian territory. now let me ask you this. according to the nbc news exclusive report, former u.s. officials had secret conversations with prominent russians reportedly close to the kremlin about ukraine. what are you hearing about this peter, and you think it is good potentially contribute to ending the war? >> how this gonna track two diplomacy is not unusual. it is a method for both sides

to kind of keep a little bit of a back channel going. it may or may not necessarily lead anywhere. i think that the idea is to simply keep those channels open for the day that might matter. right, now we are not having direct communications with them on the issue of some sort of a cease-fire or peace talk. in fact, the u.s. government would tell you that it's not time for that yet. right, now ukrainians are in the middle of their counteroffensives, not going as well as they had hoped. the american side wants to give them as much of an opportunity to make that a successful as they can for talking about the idea of going to the table. they want to set the ground rules for the future talks by winning on the battlefield. so this kind of talk, these track to talks certainly are viewed benignly i think by the white house, but there are some who criticize in worry that it sends the wrong message to the russians, that in fact we are eager for some sort of a peaceful top rather than to win on the battlefield. some ukrainian leaders i think are upset about that.

>> yeah, this week the president of vela ruch said that yevgeny prigozhin, the leader of the wagner group, it's still in russia. so peter, you have state vladimir putin for years. you wrote a book about him, in fact. where does this go from here? >> it's a great question, and it raises all sorts of unknowns, right? why is he free, why has he not been detained in some way. why is he not in belarus, which is part of the original deal. why he -- a lot of people who have done less to cross vladimir putin have met with worse fates than this. they have been shot and assassinated. yevgeny prigozhin as far as we know is breathing perfectly fine right now. it raises lots of questions. there are the conspiracy theories about people who wonder whether prigozhin's mutiny was somehow not in fact an anti-putin move in some way. that there is some sort of entry going on behind the scenes. a way of undercutting the

defense ministry leadership without undercutting putin himself, but it's so hard to untangle at this kind of historic russia, at least in the near term. we will see how it plays out and it will become clear overtime. it will become c>> let me ask yt tomorrow. as you know, the president had overseas and he will meet uk prime minister as well as king charles in london, and and the trip in finland for nato. what are the expectations for this trip, peter? >> there's a lot on the plate there, right? one thing of course is to reaffirm the friendship with britain. there are some -- that the president did not attend. king charles's coronation but what else will tell you that no president attended a british case coronation before, and so what should i expect that he should do this one, but that didn't necessarily go over well with some people. they like to reaffirm the friendship of britain. one point is the nato summit while they will have to figure out some way of assuring ukraine of some sort of

security guarantee. ukraine wants a path of membership here. they want to be able to say that they are going to be a member of nato, and a number of the european nato allies would like to say the same thing. there is no caution in the white house right now, because if ukraine were member of nato today, we will be required by the atlantic airlines treaty to come to their defense perhaps in a more vigorous way than we already have. perhaps with boots on the ground. that is something course the president biden had always wanted to avoid. there is some friction there between united states and the european allies about how far they can go in offering assurances to ukraine it might be satisfying. president zelenskyy even if we are trying to -- >> a fine line that they are all walking right now. peter baker, thank you so much, we appreciate you. really giuliani under fire, fighting to keep his law license but the one thing that might if tim did not. hen we metamorphosize into our new evolved form,

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to the white house officials worried the trump showed reporters classified material while an office. joining me now, charles coleman, former brooklyn new york prosecutor, now civil rights attorney. msnbc legal analyst and host of the charles coleman podcast, in kyle cheney, senior legal affairs reporter at politico. guys, welcome to you both, charles, let start with you here. yet another former trump insider appears to have opened the record books on him. this time, his former chief of staff john kelly. what are the implications for trump when someone like kelly starts spilling the beans? >> well alex, what it tells us is that for the long period time that we have seen donald trump have unshakable allies with unshakable loyalty, that period may be coming to and. we are talking about mark meadows, we are talking about john kelly, we are talking about so many different other people who seemed to be impenetrable parts of the trump dynasty in terms of information in proximity now beginning to release details, this is

something that should be a significant concern, because here's what i can tell you, alex. not everyone who's cooperating or providing formation is necessarily talking to the press. what i mean by that is that there may likely be more individuals who are providing all sorts of information across the board about their time and insight with respect to the former president. and so if we hearing about these people in the press, imagine who were not hearing about behind closed doors her talking to not just media, but also prosecutors as well. this is something that should be of significant concern to donald trump. >> point well taken. carl, you wrote about possible disfigurement for rudy giuliani most relating to his role in efforts to undermine the results of the 2020 election in pennsylvania. if he was merely representing trump as a client, what exactly does the d.c. bar considered to be disqualifying? >> so they took a very interesting approach to this. they were very sweeping, it was a 38-page ruling where they

basically said and national election they represent the sitting president is too important to play these kind of games with. there was no substantiation to these claims of fraud, and yet not only did he try to undermine, overturn the election results, but he didn't say there was fraud. he said hundreds of thousands of legal votes should be thrown out as a result of this sort of hint of potential fraud that was not backed up by any real evidence, and so the board said that those, that mishmash is so extreme in your prominence in that position that you had as counsel to the sitting president was so great that the only remedy here is total disappointment. and so i think they view it as this grave use and attack on democracy. ttack on>> something interesting charles, i find it most curious that trump waived attorney client privilege to allow giuliani to discuss the matter to try to save his law license. first of, all housing if again

is that? and why hasn't it helped to -- giuliani's case. it comes to mind, with those to living in some kind of alternate universe and thought that they had the facts on their side? >> well it's unusual for a number of reasons, alex, that a client would waive their attorney-client privilege and find their attorney in a situation where they have to do so in order to save that attorneys law license. this is already entail from bizarre land to begin with. when you're also talking about up to individuals at all, we have seen donald trump repeatedly through his lawyers aides and also other confidence under the bus. so it is a surprising move to see him basically allow some vulnerability to try and save giuliani's law license. the one thing that i will say about the situation he did not being very helpful is that they're talking about a figure, a political figure in the former president, who is currently under indictment in several jurisdictions and is facing multiple investigations and others. his credibility in terms of opening the books up basically allowing everyone to peek into

his relationship with rudy giuliani does not really help because he is an embattled figure on all sides. this is a unusual situation, even with that gesture from donald trump, that unusual gesture that allows attorney-client privilege is to be pierced, it is not going to be very helpful to rudy giuliani. >> and there's something else that we learned this week. this is from the newest version of the affidavit in support of the warrant to search for mar-a-lago. it is still heavily redacted, but it spills outlaws for storage a secret and top secret information. it must be in the gsa proof container, especially build vault or storage area requiring periodic inspection in use of a intrusion detection system. it also detailed surveillance video showing witnesses five, presumed to be walter nauta, moving boxes in and out of a storage room. a total of four boxes moved out, in the mid june 30th movie only 25 to 30 boxes moving back and. and charles, what stands out to you about this? >> for, while we've been having

a conversation about why the federal government and what it did when they did it, and i think even as we have become more informed about how this actual search warrant team to be, these details around the indictment make it even clear that nothing that was done by the federal government was done half has really. we're talking about surveillance footage that shows walter moving boxes back and forth, and it's a amount of boxes not coming in, and then you add the timeline that we have all been looking at from the very start, number one says that the initial contact with the national archives, all the way up to being form that you have this confidential documents, and then the additional details about them trump for example scheduling it dress rehearsal just days before prosecutors were supposed to show up and examine the boxes that were there for classified materials. all of it really does make such a clear case as to not only around what the fbi did what they did with respect to the search warrant, but then by following a subsequent

indictment from jackson's office is a special offer cuter, and anyone who had any question about access and actions by the federal government really has their palate satiated by what they are learning about. >> kyle, anything particularly stand out to you about these revelations? >> in keeping with that point, it is just the amount of detail that they had not just before the indictment, but before the surge was so extensive. the greens understanding that they had at the number of -- walt nauta, and the kim angle that they had and he was going into the empty room next the storage room but the boxes where it had access and it is just so detailed and all the minutiae where they had prior to the search that what they learned from the search only added to this massive cash of evidence and really does sort of land more support to why they took the actions they did. >> points will take it for both of, you charles coleman, kyle cheney, thank you guys.

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step forward for abortion rights advocates in ohio. the decision to enshrine abortion access in the states constitution most likely be in the hands of voters. a coalition of reproductive rights advocates collected 710,000 signatures that is nearly double what's required to place the amendment on the november ballot, but there is a catch. ohioans must first vote on a separate ballot measure during august 8th special election. that would raise the approval threshold to 60%, potentially making it more difficult to even put on the ballot. joining me now is lauren pawel, chair of ohioans for reproductive freedom. lauren, welcome, give me a sense of what's at stake on august 8th. when you think election day, the second tuesday night just does not automatically come to

mind for voters. and so how much does that threat and what you are trying to accomplish in november? >> thank you for having me, alex. this has been exciting an important week in ohio. we just turned in over 700,000 signatures to protect reproductive rights in november, but corrupt politicians do not want voters to have that opportunity. they have put a special election on august 8th, a special election that they actually got rid of last year because they said it was undemocratic, because not enough people would show up and it was too expensive, but they do not want voters to be able to vote on reproductive freedom in november, and so now it is up to ohio voters to turn out on august 8th to vote no. not only so that we can vote yes in november, but to protect democracy, and to protect one person, one vote. they are actually giving the vote to the minority. this would allow 40% of ohioans to make the decision on all ballot measures moving forward. so it is critical that ohio

voters turned out on august 8th and vote no. >> yeah, it will complicate things certainly if this passes on august 8th. but let me ask you about ohio, which as you know as the only abortion related measure that could come before voters this year. how significant is that on a national scale? >> it is incredibly important. or highlands have the opportunity to protect reproductive freedom in november. it is crucial. ohioans already. we are ready to take this freedom back. it is a personal medical decisions belongs in the hands of the people and not in the hands of corrupt politicians. i will make a difference in our region in across the country. we're really excited for the victory that we know we can secure in november. >> i think the seven in 10,000 signatures again, double what you need to get, is pretty impressive, but so the wind may be at your back, we will see, lauren, thank you so much for your time. and for all of you just when you thought it would be a slow news summer weekend, there's news about the former president on multiple fronts what former

chief of staff john kelly is saying, plus new insight into mar-a-lago after a new version of the affidavit was released. i will speak with a reporter who wrote a book about donald trump's florida home, and that is coming up. is coming up >> as i bid you all good day from msnbc world headquarters here in new york, welcome, everyone, to alex witt reports. we begin this hour with a new affidavits filed by john kelly, and yet another lawsuit involving donald trump. the former white house chief of staff telling the court that trump asked about using the irs, in other federal agencies, to investigate fbi agents into looking into the trump 2016 campaign ties to russia. a judge has cleared the way for trump to sit for a deposition in that case. ukraine is marking the 500th day of war, and president zelenskyy paid tribute to ukrainian guards who refused to surrender in those first hours of russia's invasion. matt moment