miss desantis is a crucial part of the strategy, and always has been, and her going for mama's is what they were going to do. >> giving her fair do. nicholas mohammad, thank you so much from the new york times. that's going to do it to me on alex witt reports also. at one pm reports. yes and vossoughian kicks up our coverage, right now. right now. good afternoon. gia good to see you. i'm yasmin essig. in the -- explaining a controversial decision to send cluster bombs to ukraine. >> the ukrainians are running out of ammunition. i'm -- eternally awhile to be convinced to do it. either they have the weapons to stop the russians now from there -- keep them from stopping the

ukrainian offensive through this area. where they don't. i think they needed them. >> donald trump, the campaign trail, amidst new reporting today on classified documents and potential pressure campaign involving the irs to let his -- freedom caucus fracture is, the latest on an inept effort to oust marjorie taylor greene from the gop organization. plus, you are following some extreme heat that continues to stifle parts of the country as well as a threat of severe storms and others. an alarming health development, cases of malaria, cropping up in the u.s. from the first time in decades. all of that and a troubling new trend in the wake of anti-trans legislation around the country. people forced to go to the black market to get medication they desperately need. that story is ahead this hour as well. you don't miss that conversation. we begin though with ukraine. now, 500 days into its fight

for survival after the russian invasion. the president just signed off on what may be his most controversial decision yet to support ukraine. he is sending cluster bombs, those ammunitions that carry out smaller bomb lights, they scatter across large areas, causing widespread destruction, some may not explode until well after a battle. they could potentially kill civilians. and b.c.'s allie raffa is joining us from delaware, where the president is right, now the white house as resisted pressure to do this for months. they are doing it now it seems, talk us through this and the explanation we're hearing from the president today. >> yasmin, the controversy surrounding the use of these cluster bombs goes back months, even years, just for some context here, back in 2008 there was an international treaty signed by more than 100 countries. many of them nato allies, to ban the use of these cluster

bombs because of the reasons you laid out in your intro. the threat to civilians. but despite all of this, we know that there were several countries absent from that treaty, including the united states, russia and ukraine. the president is saying in the aftermath of this decision, that it was a difficult decision to be made. there is a student for as long as possible. but he said it was necessary because ukraine was running out of ammunition in its counteroffensive against russia. listen to more of his defense of this decision. >> when we it was a very difficult decision on my part. by the, way i discuss this with our allies, i discuss this with our friends on the hill. and we are in a situation where ukraine continues to be brutally attacked across the board by munitions by the cluster munitions that are very high. they are a danger to civilians. we >> yasmin, top democrats are

breaking with the president on this. something we don't see very often, some of them have been writing letters to get the administration to ban the use of these cluster munitions in the u.s. military for months. they are saying it is an unnecessary ethical trade-off. we have a quote from congresswoman, ilhan omar, who says quote, we can support the people of ukraine and their freedom struggle while also opposing violations of international law, republicans on the other hand we're seen praising this move. saying it should've happened sooner. some of them arguing it doesn't even go far enough. there is a letter from top republicans in the house and senate calling for the president to approve sending more missiles, calling for with the timeline of sending those 16 fighter jets to be sped up. they say in part, quote, the munitions help fill a key gap taking ukraine's military by decreasing the strain on

americas stockpile of unitary warheads. they say the biden administration cannot stop here, yasmin. so definitely some mixed reaction to stay the least from lawmakers on capitol hill in the aftermath of the decision. >> absolutely, ali, thank you. just in the last hour or, so the first republican presidential primary contest of 2024 is now set. the iowa caucus is now on the books for january 15th, just over six months from today. it also happens to be martin luther king junior day. the announcements coming after democrats replaced iowa with south carolina on the top of their primary calendar. several new developments today into donald trump's behavioral as president. first we have new york times reporting that in 2018 he asked about having the irs and other federal agencies to -- the two fbi agents who, at the, time were part of the agency's russia investigation, then

there is the nbc news exclusive, a former trump administration aide alleging white house officials worried trump showed journalists classified documents while he was in office. msnbc's analyst, joyce vance, will join us in just a moment to talk more about that. first, the former president hit the campaign trail, covering him there, nbc's -- it's always good to talk to you. you are covering trump in iowa yesterday. you spoke, we are set to speak tonight in las vegas. he seems to be, as he has been for the last couple of weeks, leaning into his legal issues as he is speaking to the crowd. tell us about that. >> right, he is looking to use these 191 days, not only for his own political purposes. but also for his legal ones, yasmin. he is using these events to galvanize the, masses there are millions of americans that are consuming, not only social media posts, but his speeches online and other right-wing

outlets like his remarks yesterday and iowa. today it's here in nevada, in las vegas, this is his first about a stop. as a formal presidential candidate, since announcing back in november, i want to let you hear part of his remarks yesterday because you will hear the framing of how he's presenting his legal peril to the masses and why he is using this as an opportunity to get them by his side in the necessity, as he's making the suggestion, to these folks that they back him politically because this is an all on effort by the left to undermine their potency politically. take a listen. we >> have a president of the united states who is a stone cold corrupt thief. >> and he is willing to arrest his opponent, who is leading him substantially in the polls. and then they go out and they say, oh well we don't want to

run against him. if they want to run against me they wouldn't indict me. with >> trump and his remarks and iowa went on to say, they are looking to silence me. they are looking to take away my freedoms because i am protecting your voice, i am protecting your freedoms. this is very much us against them. it is not just donald trump forces the, courts it is a sickens them. that is where you hear him talk about joe biden and the democratic party. he is framing them as the criminals. then as the folks that are trying to protect themselves, because if donald trump were to get back into, office he's been very forward about using the office for retribution. i am your retribution, that's a line he's used on the campaign trail in recent weeks. we expect a similar message this afternoon when he visits the campaign stop in las vegas. he has been. >> talk to me, von, as we have been seeing some familiar to us all at some point, roger stone with the former president.

appearing to join him on his private plane to vegas. do we know why? >> so far, donald trump has suffered politically within the republican party byline himself with some of the most maga loyalists out. there michael flynn, he's just a couple weeks ago, we would have him back in his administration, if he were to win another term. roger stone, that turned my head when he was on his plane from iowa yesterday. here to nevada, roger stone is somebody who caught the direct attention of the january 6th select committee. because of his conversations and lead up to the january 6th attack on the capitol. in which he was having conversations with extremist leaders including oath keepers leader who was just convicted and sentenced by the prosecutors and the court. 12 years in prison for his seditious conspiracy. roger stone is somebody who also had conversations with donald trump in the lead up to january 6th. we do not know if he is a

target of the special counsel's investigation. we do not know whether he has even spoken to prosecutors. but donald trump is somebody who has remained a close defender of donald trump. and may very well be at the heart of the investigation by special counsel, jack smith,'s office right now. yasmin? >> as always, von, thank you. we are back in just 60 seconds, with a lot more ahead, former u.s. attorney, joyce vance, trump considering sticking the irs on fbi officials involved in the russia investigation, we will be right back with that conversation. we wow, it makes it look like... i don't have kids at all. it's so good, it makes it look like i have magical powers!

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investigated, lisa page as, well both were involved, as we all remember quite, well in the investigation into the trump campaign's ties to russia. the new revelations are all coming from sworn testimony by trump's former chief of staff, john kelly, we want to bring in former u.s. attorney and legal analyst, joyce vance, to talk more about this. it's always great to talk to you. so along with this reporting, it reminds us of some pretty substantial audits done to james comey, former director of the fbi, along with andrew mccain, comey's deputy. what do you make of this new reporting and is there anything to possibly weaponize the irs with? >> right, so as we so often are forced to comment, we hear conservatives complaining about behavior by democrats, when they are really just protecting about their own behavior. because if there's anything that involves weaponization of the federal government it would

certainly be sending the irs to investigate people you perceive as being your political allies. you know, that said, the sworn testimony says trump talked about doing this, but that there is no evidence that he actually followed up. the fact, though, that both director, comey and director mckay were subjected to what sometimes was called autopsy without benefit of death. this very detailed look into your finances, and that both of their wives were subjected to it too, because they had filed jointly. that is something that will require follow-up based on this reporting, if the doj has not already looked at it. >> so along with, this i want to pivot a little bit to nbc's exclusive reporting. this is some information that we found from miles taylor's book, former chief of staff of dhs, calling in this new book,

happening back in 2018. john bolton as well. the book alleges that sarah hockey sanders, the press, secretary described the former prize event displaying documents, related to jamal khashoggi's death. he writes, this we were all disturbed by the laps and political and poor protection of classified information. what do you make of this new information coming out of miles taylor's book? is there anything there? >> so laps and protocol is an absolutely weak way to characterize what happened here. look, while trump was in office he had the ability to declassify information, we saw him do that on at least one occasion after he shared, and i would say spilled, classified information in an oval office meeting. but this is the sort of thing that i think is more tenuous and holding on to documents at mar-a-lago because he was in office, nonetheless, it is the

sort of evidence that shows that there was a pattern of doing this. the government could be entitled, in the mar-a-lago trial, to show evidence of other bad acts, or similar acts, to establish an absence of mistake or knowledge about what he was doing. particularly at the testimony here is that they talk to the former president after this incident, or these incidents, and tried to get him to behave more responsibly. that would show that trump had been well advised in this area. >> so with this i want to talk quickly, if we can, about the former presidents attorney who was disbarred in new york. we know that we'll, in d.c., the disciplinary report was recommended he be disk barred, all related to his fraudulent claims after the 2020 election, we can think specifically of of course the press conference at the four seasons landscaping. what do you make of this? >> look, lawyers have an

obligation of kinder to the court. you are not permitted to go in and lie. you are fermented to vigorously represent your client. the conclusion of a panel that looked at giuliani's ethics violation here is that he crossed the line. they have written a very strong opinion, although it still has to go to the full board that considers these sorts of complaints in the district of columbia, and giuliani has some right of appeal. there is every reason to believe that this will stick. and this, frankly, should be a trend, lawyers have the profound ability to police themselves when it comes to ethics, sorts of violations, they need to do that, not just with giuliani, but with others of trump's lawyers. similar, misconduct >> throws fans, as always, my friend, we thank you, a lot more head folks, turning to the black market, the length of people are going to to the gender affirming care in the wake of anti-trans law spreading across this country.

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cases are confirmed in sarasota county, that south of tampa bay, so now we have a total of seven cases of malaria in the united states. since, may six in florida, one in texas, there is a public health advisory in florida yet this state is hot and humid, so public health officials are prepared to deal with the situation like this, but they are on alert,. we >> florida residents facing a new health scare brought by mosquitoes. health authorities in sarasota county confirming to new cases of locally contracted malaria, this, after a statewide health advisory was issued in late june. >> this is likely going to be a cluster of cases in sarasota county. a mosquito has to fight human that's infected and then go off and bite another human less than a mile away. they will travel long distances. >> the disease is caused by parasite which spreads to human through the bites of the inspected mosquitoes. it's estimated that the u.s.

sees about 2000 cases annually. they could be all from people who acquired the disease abroad before entering the country. unlike new cases, contracted quickly from infected mosquitoes. >> this is an unusual headline, not something we typically see in the united states. this is going to acquire vigilance on the part of health officials. >> for those who get sick, the flu like symptoms could include a notoriously high fever, body aches, chills, headaches and nausea. doctor gupta says that cases should not create panic, with medical centers prepared to test and treat the disease while public health authorities carry aggressive vector-controlled efforts near the areas where the case is a marriage. >> we are trying to knock down those adult mosquitoes that might be carrying that agent. >> a challenge for the sunshine state after two of the top public health officials responsible for tracking and preventing the spread of communicable diseases left their jobs in rhonda senses

administration in recent months. >> now, malaria is common in certain tropical and subtropical countries, where millions of people get. it doctor gupta said one symptom to watch for is the favorite. very high fever it's a symptom that is unique to malaria. something people can watch for. the tips for people in florida under this health advisory are to wear long sleeves if he can, or pants. but it is really hot, yasmin, as you can see. i'm not wearing long sleeves, but i do have propellant. so repellent is a great idea. and also keeping in mind standing water can attract mosquitoes, they like to lay their eggs in standing water. so get rid of anything, it could be on the tires, toys, anything around the house. very important to pay attention to all of these things as we are under this health advisory in florida. >> absolutely, thank you. we're coming up, still no

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still unclear at this weekend whether marjorie taylor greene has been removed from the house freedom caucus, a second week of confusion after a defining vote by its members. it's coming after multiple instances of clashing with her gop colleagues, including foul language to refer to representative -- i want to bring in gary who has something more important on this. what more are you learning this hour what took place behind the scenes? >> perhaps we should start with what we don't know, and that is that we know for a fact that marjorie taylor greene does not know whether or not she is a member of the house freedom caucus. this all started friday before congress met on the 4th of july holiday, when the house freedom caucus held a last-minute early morning meeting that marjorie taylor greene could not attend

due to what we are told where votes and previously scheduled travel. because she was not there, we are told there was about to oust her from the house freedom caucus. that she, of course, was not a part of. so that is how that happened in that meeting. but why did this all happen? there is a couple of reasons. sources told scott wang and olivia sonia. they told us that first of all it's because of the camera mccarthy vote. that was taken back in january. she was very supportive of the now speaker mccarthy during the 15 vote process. and also because of what you mentioned. a word i can't say on television, she called representative lauren boebert. but representative marjorie taylor greene said in a statement. in congress i serve northwest georgia first and no group in washington. my america first credentials guided by my christian faith are forged in steel, they will never change. she went on to say, in part, the gop has less than two short

years to show america what a strong unified congress will do when president trump wins the white house in 2024. this is my focus, nothing else. this story is not going to go away anytime soon. congress doesn't come back until tuesday, we are expecting that is when marjorie taylor greene will cause fireworks here on capitol hill. they are starting to get down to business as to why this really happened, and whether or not she is actually a member of the house freedom caucus. by the, way she is one of the biggest fundraisers in that caucus. she is also one of the closest people to former president trump and that. caucus so losing her would be a significant thing for the house freedom caucus. yasmin? >> yeah, but then what would it mean overall? thank you. let's bring in political analyst and republican strategist, and democratic strategist. i think it's indicative of where the house freedom caucus is when it comes to marjorie taylor greene. considering the fact that she's the biggest fund-raiser inside

the house freedom caucus and yet they are willing to oust her because of some of her stances and behavior. what do you make of it? >> i think marjorie taylor greene could not give a hoot. and to what and does it even matter? when you think of the freedom caucus, whether you disagreed with, them back in the tea party days, they were at least known as some thoughtful conservatives. not all of them, but now they're just a bunch of misfits that basically don't care about governing. they just care about getting their name out there and fighting their own agenda. so if the fact that they made no ice, she's in her she's, out at the end of the day, nothing is changing about marjorie taylor greene. she still going to be a conspiracy theorist, spouting lies and falsehoods. so whatever caucus she has, in i guess that is what they're in for. >> it's interesting, basil, we're not just seeing the structure happening within the house freedom caucus. we're seeing it across the board when it comes to the

republican party. we can't help but think back to the 15 rounds mccarthy had to go in order to get house speaker, as small indication of whether the republican party was at is this a moment in which the democratic party can really capitalize on this fracture? >> yeah, i think that's an important question because if i want to seize on something that marjorie taylor greene said. talking about the time that the republicans have to show the american people that they are worthy of their vote and can govern. because up until this, point i don't see that that's happening. i don't see whether marjorie taylor greene, or her policy recommendations, or her supporters, or the freedom caucus, there doesn't seem to be any sense on the side of the republicans that they're able to govern, that they know how to govern, and they are not gonna continue to spiral in these conspiracy theories and weaponizing congressional committees. compare that to what you see on

the democratic side, fact, what you don't see on the democratic, side what you don't see is drama. and you have aoc, yesterday or the day, before when asked a specific question, are you endorsing joe biden? she said yes, i'm supporting joe biden. you -- the unity, the consensus is important when you put that in front of a voter. what choices do they have? a party that is governing versus a party that is in chaos? >> i love that you brought up aoc's endorsement. because i did want to talk a little bit about the endorsement or lack thereof from house speaker, kevin mccarthy, of the former president of the united states. he has been in his corner, an ally, it, seems through and through, with a little bit of bumps in the, road rather than that, mccarthy has been on trump side, yet to give kind of a formal endorsement. political reporting that several republican. lawmakers said an endorsement this early could exact a political toll on house republicans by sparking disunity and infighting across different gop factions.

divisions that could seep into the rest of their agenda. so is it too early to give an endorsement like this one? or does it give us a sense of maybe some inside the republican party not wanting the president to be the nominee. and hoping he won't. >> if kevin mccarthy's speaker, if they have any chance of remaining speaker, at least in the majority, after the 2024 elections, the further away he stays from donald trump, the better. because when there is 17 republicans in the house right, now they want biden's -- he has a five seat majority. things are very tight, the second mccarthy wraps himself around donald, trump even more than what he has, literally does the endorsement. it means that the conference, in essence, has endorsed. and that will be the kiss of death for some republicans who are from moderate districts, who know that if it's donald

trump, and in this case, even if it's not donald trump, they still have donald trump tied around their neck because kevin mccarthy's endorsement for the next 6 to 10 months. we >> basil, i want you to weigh in as we're getting closer and closer to the first. the 2024 season. nikki haley, i believe, they both qualify for not just one but two debates. so far. tim scott, desantis, they're also gonna be at the first. debate we don't necessarily know whether or not the former president will show up or not. do you feel as if the requirements on this debate field, they are going to narrow this growing path of folks that are running for the republican nomination? we >> yes, i think the party has a vested interest. and i would argue that maybe the democratic, side if they would engage in similar behavior, trying to find a way to narrow the field. i don't think the republicans want a repeat of that happy

hour, when you have the main stage, and then you had this junior stage, because that eliminated a ton of candidates that had no life. it made the contest different in 2016 if they had been able to shove the state with on trump. but i think the more that debate stage narrows, the more the voters have an opportunity to see if any distinctions among the candidates can be made. it also suggest that it's going to be a very difficult process for these candidates to go out and raise money compared to what donald trump can raise and have an effect on their poll numbers. if you are chris christie, for example, your message is very anti donald trump. if you're not raising money in accordance with, that guess what? the message doesn't work, and you have to move on. >> i have to tell you, if you are inside my head, all like you thinking about is, man i can't believe we're here

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order in the subway app today. welcome back, this weekend, tens of millions around the country are facing extreme weather conditions. we are coming off of one of the hottest weeks in modern history in parts of the southwest. 110 degrees, on top of that you have millions watching out for what could be severe storms from the rockies, all the way to the mississippi river. let's bring in nbc's, jesse kirsch, standing by in chicago. nbc meteorologist, michelle grossman. jesse, take us there. first also, you are hearing from across the country when it comes to what folks are really dealing with. >> yeah, so yes, when you see behind me there, the skyline of chicago, a couple hours ago that may not have been the case. we had some haze making its way through here. foggy first, stretch we've had drizzle, it was pretty cool. it's starting to warm up a.

bit the sun is poking through here, but we're dealing with nothing, frankly, compared to what people are doing with in other parts of the country. you talk about the extreme. heat that is in parts of the west as well as parts of florida. 14 million people in cities like oklahoma city, denver, memphis right now are dealing with severe weather threats and then tomorrow we're gonna see even more severe weather potential across the country. so just a continuation of a wild weather week. but i can tell you in the windy city, far better conditions than we were dealing with last weekend. we had a lot of thunderstorm activity in the area, some really heavy rain as well in this city. so we can tell, you in an area where people love the lake front, in the summer, hey out on the beach, i can see the volleyball court just beyond where we're set up. definitely an improvement from last week. but compared to yesterday, we had this nice breezy sunny day. not a picture perfect out here right, now but i can tell, you we will take a compared to what

other people are doing. >> michelle, pick up on where jessie left off, all this week, monday, record temperatures, tuesday, record temperatures, wednesday, record temperatures across the week. what can folks expect here. >> yeah, unfortunately we're going to see no and. no end in sight, we are looking at a lot of warm temperatures as we go through the middle of next week. it's not just, us we are talking globally, look at some of these numbers across the globe. that broke records. we're seeing rainfall records go. down temperature records go down. so in the u.s. we saw el paso having the longest 100-degree streak. places like peruse, the hottest july day ever. philippine, same story, hottest july day ever. australia. then we saw all-time heat in parts of china. 110 degrees. this is not just a u.s. thing. this is a global thing. as you kind of alluded to, we saw the four warmest days on record, july 3rd, july 4th, july 5th, july 6th. guess, what we're gonna at dates to that as we go through the next couple of.

months here in an el niño. your what that means is basically, it's simply a warming of the pacific ocean. it adds moisture and heat into the atmosphere, we're going to see those numbers fall as we go throughout the next -- in terms of records, the next couple weeks and months throughout the summer. 19 million people at risk for heat alerts, that remains really, high we're looking at the southwest, phoenix, tucson, we will see the hot pink color, that's where we're seeing excessive heat warnings. heat advisories throughout the south central, states pacific northwest, even really warm into the north east as well. that's widespread, we're not just talking about the, south run with the northeast. it's dry, heat and of course the southwest, it's really hot. triple digits, 109 in, phoenix it will feel like one of. five it brings it down a little bit because it's dry. but still into the triple digits. one of six in las vegas. then as we go towards the south central states, the gulf, states we're looking at temperatures into the 90s. when you add in that heat index, the moisture from the gulf,

you're gonna feel like 104 in houston, it will feel like 104 in houston. you will feel like 104 as well. this is what i was talking, about no end in sight, temperatures well into the triple digits through tuesday, phoenix, 1:12, 109 in las vegas. midland, texas, you're gonna be at one of three on, sunday 105 on tuesday, we are starting to sound like a broken record. that is the climate. connection things just get parched, they're stagnant, they're not moving, it's the traffic jam in the, atmosphere that's what we're seeing even into the northeast. really, hot really humid, temperatures into the 90s in baltimore. it's gonna be 97 in new york city. and it agrees today, but feeling like 90 degrees. that's going to trigger some storms later on today and also tomorrow. we will end it here jasmine because we're still looking at really stormy evenings. 10 million. winds gusting 60 miles an hour. that could bring down trees and power lines. a couple tornadoes to. we will keep an eye on this throughout the evening hours. >> 111 degrees? in phoenix arizona? that is dangerous and it's

uncomfortable? especially if you don't have air conditioning. when i saw your global map, i, mean that was fascinating. stuff western iran? 122 degrees? i've been turon many times reporting. a lot of people there in that area, they don't have eric to shunning. that is really dangerous heat. >> and it's outdoors. >> exactly, exactly. really could pour. working outdoors as well, >> that is their job, they have to be outdoors. >> yeah. exactly. thank you, michelle, we appreciate. coming up at the top of the hour, at the new york times with a major scoop. it involves than president trump, contemplating using the irs against his enemies, i'm gonna speak to the reporter who broke that story. but up first, breaking news on gender-affirming care for transgender youth in tennessee. a federal appeals court ruling a ban could take effect for now. more on that plus how laws like this are forcing people to go to the black market. we will be right back.

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we are following some breaking news this hour. a federal appeals court has ruled the tendencies ban on jenner firming ban for minors can go into effect, at least for now. this reverses a lower court ruling which had found the band discriminated on the basis of sex. meanwhile, this care is still available to adults nationwide. even in progressive states, the trans community is grappling with steep cause for homeowners and mental care, as well. all of this is leading many to take matters into their own hands. according to a 2020 study, 9% of trans americans who opted for hormone therapy obtained them from online pharmacies and other on licensed sources. is this safe? joining me now to talk more about this, nbc's nicole rosenthal who reported on the story for nbc news.

nicole, thank you for joining. us appreciate it. how are these hormones being accessed, and why? >> absolutely. in my reporting i found that the diy hormone approach, accessing hormones through unlicensed, unregulated internet sites is -- managing your own dosing, right? the levels of the hormones that you are taking, the types of hormones the medications that you are taking is completely unmanaged. the onus is on individual to monitor their own blood levels. make sure they are not taking too much or too little of the hormone. there are multiple arrests with under or overdosing. these hormones are found through online communities. through these resources. that is where you are able to access it. >> so, if it is not being managed directly through a licensed physician, and you are not checking in with someone regularly, what can happen? how dangerous can that be?

>> sure. there are plenty of dangers if you are not monitoring your own blood levels through under or overdosing. the risks of blood clot, multiple cancers associated with prolonged use. as well as infected injection sites. that is what we found in our reporting. >> we get this ruling out of tennessee right? the question is how often how many other states are going to be getting on board with banning care, hormone therapy, for members of the trans community? i want to talk about some numbers we are seeing when it comes to -- a study found that gender-affirming care was associated with, get this, 60% decrease odds of moderate to severe depression. 73% decreased odds of suicide. are you getting a sense that there are many people in this country, especially lawmakers, that do not necessarily know

the repercussions of the decisions they are making in keeping gender-affirming care away from people that desperately need it? >> absolutely. you are going to find, when folks can't find gender-affirming care through medical providing care, you will find elsewhere. that is sort of just, human nature. for parents we have the means. for example, for their children, we might see these families moving long distances to get that medical access for their child. for those who are 18, we are seeing folks stockpiling hormones from these unlicensed, unregulated pharmacies, in anticipation of bans for adults. >> we also talk about how this is an economic issue. are there plans, somehow, from the lgbtq+ community to help subsidize this care, even for folks who might have insurance but the co-pay is simply out of reach? >> i think mutual aid is something that, historically, has benefited the lgbtq+

community. that is nothing new. i think that what we are seeing now is this turn to unlicensed, unregulated hormones through the informal market. because they are just so much cheaper. me now, according to goodrx we saw that it is about $100 per month, on average, for some folks to pay for their regiment through a medically supervised route. online it is about $8. that is a pretty striking for a community that is so historically economically disadvantaged. >> nicole rosenthal, thank you so much. we have a lot more coming out, folks. our second hour starts right now. hey everyone i am yasmin vossoughian. if you are just joining us, welcome. it is great to see you. if you are sticking with us we are thankful for that. as the former president campaigns this weekend on a platform of personal

persecution arguing that he is the victim of a weaponize government. the new york times is out with a bombshell news story about how then president trump asked about using the irs to go after at least two of his perceived enemies. in a moment i will speak to the reporter who broke that story, michael schmidt. you might want to miss that conversation. also, continued questions and in demand for answers in the wake of cocaine found in the white house. we will have the latest response from the biden administration. it is known as the tulsa race massacre. so, how do oklahoma school superintendents teacher, given his edict to keep teachers from discussing racism? >> i would say, you be judgmental on the issue, of the action, of the content, and the character of the individual, absolutely. let's not tired to