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indictments he's facing. plus, actor marcus scribner is in our simone spotlight. once a star of the tv company black-ish, now in the final season of grown-ish. what's next in his career and role and climate change activism? i'm simone sanders-townsend, and i have something to. so >> it's been just over a week since the six conservative justices on the united states supreme court upended decades of precedent, banning the consideration of race in the polyp -- college admissions process. now americans are beginning to evaluate this new terrain, with some launching new efforts in the fight for racial equity in education. others working overtime to shut out students of color. this week, a group called lawyers forced -- civil rights or lcr fall to

complete against harvard university. one of the respondents on the supreme court's admissions case is on behalf of three civil rights organizations based in boston. they're asking the federal government to intervene and abolish a system called legacy preference. legacy preferences were children of alumni or major donors at institutions like harvard or getting special considerations and imitations process. the complaint says each year, haulage carver grads special preference in its admissions process to hundreds of mostly white students. not because of anything they've accomplished, but rather solely because of who their relatives are. i asked a lead lawyer behind all sears complaint, michael -- about the effort. take a listen. >> in light of the supreme court's decision and reference for the last week, it is all the more imperative to root out any types of policies in higher education that harm communities of color and predominately benefit white applicants. and these donor and legacy preferences are examples of

those types of policies that are at harvard. >> now, the education department civil rights office will evaluate the claims and potentially investigate policies at harvard. the complaint highlights a study by the national bureau of economic research, which conducted this research from 2014 to 2019. and it shows that legacy applicants were nearly six times more likely to gain acceptance compared to non-legacy applicants at the elite school. and when an institution goes 211 years without admitting a single black student, as harvard did, and fails to admit more than a dozen black students in one class for more than one century after, all the way into the 1970s, you can expect some glaring racial disparities in the legacy process. and sure enough, the national bureau of economic research says that nearly 70% of legacy applicants at corporate or white. the folks at lcr or do you that this is a violation of title six of the civil rights act. title six dates no person in

the united states shall, on the ground of race, color, or national origin, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any program or activity. receiving a federal, financial assistance. you see, people of color, especially black americans, they face a legacy dynamic as well. one that didn't involve an application or an essay or an alumni parent. i am talking about the centuries-long legacy of systemic racial oppression that has plagued this country from the very beginning. statutes like title six attempted to offset that sinister legacy, you would have to be living in a fantasy world to expect for hundred years of state sponsored inequality to just vanish. but that is the premise on which race blind policies operate. they're not blind to race at all, they're blind to racism, and the glaring inequalities was always intend to foster. joining me now is the litigation director for lawyers for civil rights, --

welcome to you sir. have you received any indication from harvard that they're willing to do away with legacy -- in their admissions process? >> we have not heard from them directly. but, what we know is that there is increasing pressure on them to do away with both a preferences and donor preferences. people across the political spectrum are outraged that this is a practice that continues to take place, and now we're asking the federal government to intervene as well. so the pressure is mounting on harvard, and we fully expect that they will in time, whether voluntarily or involuntarily, do away with these unfair and undeserved preferences. >> when do you expect the department of education to decide on whether to respond to your complaint? >> well, we hope that will be soon. president biden in the days immediately following the

supreme court decision on affirmative action came out and said that he wanted federal agencies to investigate all of the unfair practices that stand in the way of equal opportunity for students of color. and legacy preferences and donor preferences have got to be on the top of that list. so, we are quite optimistic that the federal department of education is going to take this quite seriously, and act on it expeditiously. >> mr. -- you alluded to this, because this complaint specifically speaks to a harvard, but as you just said, state admissions policies are used at many other universities across the country. so what do you hope the broader effect will be here? >> well, we certainly hope that after the department of education looks at harvard, it will look at other institutions that except federal funds and use these unfair and undeserved preferential treatment as well. the trend line is clear, the --

from these unfair preferences. but we know that what it will take ultimately will be the pressure of the federal government to intervene to make sure that they stop. >> you have argued the supreme court's ruling didn't a mandate i completely colour-blind a standard that some opponents of race admissions were advocating for. but the day after the ruling, the missouri attorney general instructed colleges in that state to immediately stop considering race across all sectors. and that even included scholarships, even the speaker of the wisconsin state assembly, days after, implied the state legislature would be pursuing similar legislation. so, did the supreme court in your opinion create this loophole that can mean an end to scholarships intended to help students of color? >> the ruling actually has quite a bit of a window of opportunity to consider -- to continue to consider race on an individual level. chief justice roberts and his

majority opinion made a point of saying that colleges and universities are not barred from considering of the way race may have impacted individual students lives. so in that sense, it is narrow. on the other hand, clearly there are some limitations that vp -- is now going to put on colleges and universities, and that is why rooting out all of the other unfair preferences is so necessary at this moment in time. >> oren sellstrom, thank you for your time. i will be following this complaint closely. i appreciate it. >> thank. you >> thank you. i want to turn now to jamal bowman, democratic congressman from new york and member of the committee on education in the workforce. welcome to you congressman. first let me just ask you. is our constitution or our country color blunt? >> absolutely not. we have never been colour-blind, and we continue to enact policy

and make decisions and invest money in ways that are not color blind. and that's why the majority's decision in using that language and using the 14th amendment is preposterous. and also, it depicts a reality that does not exist. especially for black people. i mean, i am a black serving member of congress, and when the police pull up behind my car and i'm not doing anything wrong, i begin to feel anxious, nervous, and uncomfortable. i am a father of three black children, and i worry about their safety, meaning of life or death every single day i sunbeam to school, some them to the store, or some them out into the community. because who knows might happen? there might be a mass shooter driven by -- replacement theory or some other form of discrimination that i experience on the campaign trail when i have people call me a piece of crap because i had the nerve to

speak about racial injustices of black men. so america is not color blind, america has never been colour-blind, this decision is preposterous and will further segregate our nation and take away access and opportunity for millions of -- let me be clear, exemplary black students. not anyone struggling to get by with seize and he's in high school. we're talking about exemplary black students that are now being kept out of the most prestigious institutions. and that's why we are going to introduce a bill this thursday, reintroduce, myself and senator merkley, to fare college -- because if you want real equity and real meritocracy, we need to and legacy admissions and all of our institutions of higher education. >> congressman, this bill that you are saying you're going to reintroduce, you introduced it last year. it ends legacy admissions, but do you -- this is going nowhere fast in

this republican house. so what is the goal with the introduction of this legislation? >> the goal is to continue to put pressure on republicans who supported, but also my democratic colleagues. we should be able to get 214 cosponsors in the house to show the strong support on the house side, and senator merkley should be able to get as many signatures or cosponsors as possible on the senate side. this is also part of capturing the consciousness of the american people, and helping them to see that we are still fighting in congress to do the right thing in terms of our higher education institutions. and this hopefully will help to mobilize and organize people for next year, because we've got to flip the house, we've got to win the white house, and i think we could win seven or eight seats in the senate if we can organize at the grass roots level properly, because elections matter people. or elections metal. >> we'll have to follow up with

you on that in a couple of weeks. what is your response to calls from some officials to ban consideration of race in scholarships? we have, i mean, i cited missouri, i cited wisconsin slates -- state legislature, this all seems to operate under an assumption that education -- the education quality is equal across the country. the ed>> when you are black, yoe under attack. and when you are poor or vulnerable, you are also under attack. we see an attack on black history following in our curriculum, we see an attack on black history being taught in ap courses, we're seeing a ban on books, we're seeing a rollback of affirmative action, and no easy scholarships being targeted. because again, there's an agenda here. it's maga republicans of course, but it's also corporate interests that continue to side with the republican party, that don't often support candidates like me and people like me across the country, which is why voter turnout is so low. and that's why i continue to beat the drum.

next year's transformational. one way or the other, we have to do next year -- we also have to go even harder to increase voter turnout in places like nebraska, florida, texas, states where i think that we can win justice and equality for america, because look at the direction we're going. insurrection, trump, big lie, covid, were under attack. and it's on us to save our democracy. >> as a nebraska and, i'm quite interested in the renewed interest in the second congressional district. congressman jamaal bowman, thank you very much for your time this afternoon, sir. >> thank you so much for having me. >> thank. you inflation folks, is easing. -- so why is president biden still getting low marks when it comes to the economy? my panel is here to discuss the strategy behind bidenomics. plus, what happens when the far-right freedom caucus turns on one of their own? why the deepest red republicans are fed up with miss maga,

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you may find it hard to believe, but that's marjorie taylor greene's district. all of those members of congress voted against it. certainly they realized how great it is, and the writing about it. as my mother would say, god love them. >> just bite the president touting the success of what he calls bidenomics in a series of reasons features, a recent ap poll found public approval of his economic agenda is just 34%. presidency so far. so what's going on? well, joining me now to discuss is former democratic congresswoman donna edwards from maryland, who was now an msnbc political analyst. and former republican congressman from pennsylvania charlie dent. welcome to you both. congressman, let me start with you. because i have been just a vexed by the idea that republicans continue to be given the benefit of the doubt on at the economy poll after poll, when historically the economy does fare better under democratic presidents. why do you think the polling is

kind of disconnected from what's actually happening? >> well, the economy is a bit of a mixed bag for the president. it's true that the economic growth has been stronger than many have anticipated and unemployment is low, there's some good job numbers at the end of the day, but inflation is the elephant in the room. prices are high, those prices are eating away at the wage increases that have occurred, but it's really all about inflation. there's been too much money chasing too few goods and services. we've seen a lot of both monetary and fiscal stimulus because of the pandemic, and i think we're feeling the effects of that. and i think that's really why biden's economic numbers are not as good as they probably ought to be under ordinary circumstances. >> now congress woman, the congressman makes an important part about inflation. but inflation is frankly lower than what it -- even all by about one reelection. so has the doom and gloom

rhetoric about the economy may be clouded what is an obvious success of the administration? and then separately, like, let's talk about some things at the grocery store are still a little expensive. i bought some eggs yesterday. >> yeah. i mean, i think it's a challenging environment for president biden and for democrats, because on the one hand inflation has been coming down, and people haven't really felt that quite yet. and on the other hand, things like wages have actually gone up. inflation has come down, but people talk about their personal economy. it's not about what the larger economy is, it's really about how you're feeling personally. and i think the more those numbers can come down, the greater the ability of the president to tout some of the things that he's done that have had a positive impact on the economy. >> when, your personal economy. when you start hearing me saying it, don't worry i'll

credit you. but i'm stealing it so everyone knows. let's talk a little more 2024 and the republican presidential primary. i have repeatedly said right here that florida governor ron desantis would be the scott walker of this primary, and wouldn't you know, look at political playbook. they're making the same comparison. noting desantis's stalled efforts to get ahead of current front-runner president donald trump. playbook knows that while polling in iowa is limited, they currently have desantis at a whopping 24 points behind trump. and now we know that the iowa caucus will be january 15th, that's over six months away. so congressman, what is your take on all of this? particularly desantis is seeming inability to gain traction? >> yeah. look. you might be right about desantis upping the scott walker of this cycle. i wouldn't make that prediction just yet, but it still very early. bottom line is, i think desantis, the more voters get to know him, unfortunately, he's gotten --

he's been weaker. that's the harsh reality. and i think in many cases he's tried to outdo trump. he's taking very hard positions kind of like trump like, but why by the imitation when you get the real thing? but trump, that's a real problem for him in some of these other candidates. i think he's got to figure out his lane. i don't think this is a very smart lane by running on the politics of grievance and victimization. i think that is a mistake. that his politics needs to be a little bit more aspirational. now look, scott, he's still on the lower numbers and chris christie and others out there who are trying to make a more positive case are struggling as well. but, desantis, he's got to draw a sharper contrast with trump. he has to take it more firmly indirectly, he's not. he's a bit socially awkward i guess is probably the best term. he's not the most warm and fuzzy guy out there, and so that's one of his big challenges. how does he overcome his personality deficiencies in the context of this campaign? >> congresswoman, i think there

might be some people here that what the congresswoman just said and say oh, warm and fuzzy. retail politics is what helps you get votes and what frankly wins elections. >> well, i think that is especially true for these early states, states like iowa and new hampshire where they are so personal and people have to touch and feel their candidates. and i think desantis does have a little bit of a social gap there, to say the least. but he also hasn't been able to separate himself from donald trump. he does want to be the lookalike, that's not going to work in an environment where you're trying to peel off votes from that very hard line part of the republican party. and let's face it. part of the reason that trump talks in his grievance language is because there's a large part of the republican base that feels very grieved. he's speaking to them. so i think that's going to be

hard for desantis to peel away, but he said so many fits and starts that at some point or other he's really going to have to start. and that's just not happened yet. >> the clock is ticking. okay, new topic. congresswoman marjorie taylor greene. and d.c. news reports that the far-right members of the house freedom caucus voted to oust her due to her support for kevin mccarthy and for a confrontation with fellow house freedom caucus congresswoman lauren -- i will not say here at what they said on the house floor, it is not for the children. now, so far, they have not been able to directly notify congresswoman marjorie taylor greene of the vote. congressman, what effect -- first of all, what is going on? is this how it goes? why are they doing it behind her back? what is going on? >> we'll first rule of the freedom caucus is that you need to be a pain in the butt to the leadership. but they weren't actively undermining the leadership. that's what they've done when the republicans have been in the dark.

and the offense that marjorie taylor greene committed is that she's been to supportive of leadership, -- speaker mccarthy on this debt ceiling agreement that she was helping carry the leadership's water. and frankly, i thought it was a reasonable deal. and so good for her for doing that, but the bottom line is that really rankles a number of her freedom caucus colleagues and of course there was that change with -- where we can't talk about what is actually said, but i think it really had more to do with the fact that she's seen as to allied leadership, and the freedom caucus is always going to say whenever the leadership is act, it's as simple as that. that's the violation. >> all right. that to my former congress peeps, jonah edwards, charlie dent, thanks to both of you. coming up folks, i have something to say about what arizona governor katie hobbs is doing to ensure women in her state have access to birth control. frankly, why other governors should take note. stay with us. stay with us like the subway series menu. buy one footlong in the app, get one free.

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investigation. criminal defense attorney and nbc news analyst danny cevallos. danny, help me unpack this box here. what could the surveillance footage of nada moving these boxes really indicate about trump's potential criminal intent? >> for the prosecution, it represents another piece of the puzzle. and you have the physical act of what nauta moving boxes, assuming those boxes can be proved to have classified documents and the other documents that are issued in this case, then that is pretty damaging. but plank offense attorney for just a second, there are a couple different things you can say about the video, which is that walt nada as a defendant, it doesn't necessarily show that nauta knows what's in those documents. it doesn't show why he move the documents. if you're trump's defense team, you're gonna argue that simply because not to move the documents doesn't mean that he did so at a direct order by the former president. so, these pieces of surveillance evidence, video evidence, or always compelling.

in fact, trees have come to expect this kind of evidence. recordings, video, dna, all that kind of high tech stuff has just become standard practice. in courts injuries start wondering where is the stuff? there used to it. it's helpful to the government, the government loves this kind of evidence. but of course, they need to fill in all the other gaps. and those gaps are mostly in the area of intent. who knew what, and why did they do it? >> but then danny, i remember reading when this -- one it was officially filed in court and we saw the long document from jack smith that built this narrative, and it was the prosecutions a document. i think it's important that people understand that, about what exactly donald trump and whatnot are being charged with and why. and those text messages that we saw, there are -- there's walt nauta going in to meet voluntarily meet with lawyers from the justice department, saying that he didn't know about any other

boxes. he couldn't be helpful. and then there's a surveillance video showing the opposite, plus all of these tex-mex edges and whatnot. is this not a case, where we have a lot of information about intent, or is it too early to make that judgment? >> no. there's a lot of evidence about intent. what i'm saying is that this video adds a piece to that, but it's not an overwhelming piece in the sense that the rest of the indictment contains so much evidence. and believe me when i tell you that the indictment, while it's full of facts and detail, it doesn't represent every piece of evidence that the government has. and this emerging video of walt nauta is a classic example. we didn't know it existed, we hadn't seen it before, but it's something that is a compelling piece that adds to the evidence. the jury can infer, there's one not a moving boxes. as long as the government proves what's in those boxes, they've gone a long way to proving their overall theory, which is that trump had the documents, trump knew he had

the documents, trump refused to give them back, and probably the most damning piece of all, when trump was faced with a request to subpoena for these documents, he may have allegedly move them around to conceal them. not only from the government, but maybe even from his own legal counsel who then went forward into the world and may have given inaccurate information to the government. >> so, denny, the judge presiding over trump's classified documents case has given trump's legal team a thursday deadline for organizing sensitive evidence that will be the focal point of his trial. how do you defend a case when much of the evidence is classified? >> slowly. i mean, there are procedures for handling these kinds of document cases, this court is actually in florida has handled documents like this before. so it's not completely new to it, but it will add a lot of time. it will require the defense attorneys to get clearances,

security clearances. this will add time to the overall process. in addition to that dispositive motions that the defense is going to file, take a look at the fact it will not i was only just a range. that's weeks and weeks after he should've been arraigned. it's been put off at least twice. so that will give you an idea that the sensitivity of the documents, if nothing else, will achieve delay. the idea that this would have been tried within a speedy trial limit, 70 days from the day of arraignment, was always a fantasy. even though the judge set and -- everybody knows including the judge that it's not going forward on that day. the judge to set that date so she does her duty to make it move forward quickly. but this case is not going to trial this year, you can take that to the bank. >> all right. i'm gonna catch that one danny. danny cevallos, thank you very much. all right folks, -- is all grown up. coming up after mark's scribner joins me live as he prepares to

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retire at the end of the 2023 season. yes, rapinoe played with the u.s. women's national team for 17 years, winning an olympic medal and two world cups, with a shot at the third in the coming months. 38 year old superstars that she hasn't thinking about retiring for a few years and leaves the game with a deep sense of gratitude and excitement. >> i understand that it is incredibly rare for athletes of any stature to be able to go out in their own way and on their own terms, at the time that they want in a way that feels really peaceful and settled for them. so i feel very grateful that i am here. and that i have the trust of this team. >> rapinoe is also a champion off the field. and advocate for lgbtq+ rights, social justice, and she helped lead the fight for the equal pay agreement between the u.s. soccer federation and the

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now people don't get tired of me singing at the top of these segments, but i love it. those are the words from the theme song of free forms hit series grown-ish. the series first premiered in 2018 as a spinoff of the kenya bar as it black-ish. grown-ish originally followed the life of the johnson family's eldest daughter zoe. but since so we graduated from the shows fictional college cal you, the series now follows the college life of her younger brother andre junior johnson, played by marcus scribner. grown-ish is in its final season, and will mark the end of the issue franchise. here is a clip from an upcoming episode. >> they are good for something's, this isn't a list problem. and i need my. >> i am strangely honored. >> do you think we just need some time to get into the groove, or is there a bigger issue? how long does normally take you to get in the rhythm? >> one, they get in a rhythm with me. to, that is not a problem i have. >> same!

usually. i am mr. five start the list, remember? >> okay, i hope that was something we left in freshman year. but seriously, you and annika, it is a long time coming, so i am not surprised that he would be feeling more pressure than with your five star flings. >> joining me now in the simona spotlight is actor and producer mark its scribner. marcus, thank you for being here, it is the final season, how does it feel? >> it feels fantastic. i am ready for everyone, i am just ready for all the episodes to be released. i know how many amazing stories we have in the vault ready to go. and where this character is going to go in this final season, this final journey. i am just amped, i am ready to rip, i am ready to let it go. >> i mean, loyal voyeurs, okay, i am a. fan i watched grown-ish, i've been watching, i watched black-ish. i am literally actually going back and watching black-ish, the old episodes now when i can't sleep at night, just to

get me ready for the things. but loyal viewers, like we all literally watch to your character and you frankly grow up. what has that experience been like for you? >> yes, i heard you singing the theme song so i was, like, i know she is really tapped in. it has been a crazy experience, you know? being on the show for so long when you are in, when you are filming, you are working every day. you just think about putting out good art and creating something that you would enjoy watching and want to see. but now that black ice ended and we are entering the final season of grown-ish, i have people coming up to me on the streets telling me how much the characters meant to them over the years. and that they have been able to watch me grow up in front of their eyes, which is just something that you don't think about until the end of a run. an end of an era. so i am just so thankful for all the people that have supported us along our journey. thank you simon, thank you for holding it down for the-ish

family. i am just excited for people to see this final chapter and see junior's story come to an end. i know it is a lot for a lot of people, my grandmother was watching it, she watched all of black-ish. and she is like, wow, this is insane to see, you know, junior, all of that stuff that has been happening there. but it is a great great arc. >> you know, you talk about the people coming up to you and saying how much they appreciated your character. i was last night i turned on the cosby show for, i was home for my stepson. i said, have you ever seen the cosby show? he's like, what is this? he's like, maybe i have seen this. for a different generation, the cosby show was the depiction of a black families successful black family, a mother who was, laura dog father who was a doctor. for our generation, i feel like black-ish and then an extension of that, like, grown-ish is our -- grown-ish is our different world, right? how, just the impact of these

characters. talk to me a little bit about that. >> yeah i think when can you set out to create this universe, the-ish verse we love to call it, i think he had exactly that in mind. he wanted to create a new black renaissance when it came to seeing ourselves represented in television and film and art. and i think that is exactly what he has accomplished and set out -- when black-ish premiered i remember there were not a lot of black family shows on television. it was like everybody hates chris, bernie mac show, things like that. and i think this is, like you said, our modern cosby show in a way. and like you said, a different world with grown-ish. i think it all has been very intentional. and that representation i think has really had an impact, like i was saying earlier, people coming up to me on the streets saying they have seen me grown-up. i also had people come up to me

and tell us that we have made conversations easier to have with their family. i think one of the very important things about grown issues that it kind of shows everybody but not everybody in the black community thinks the same. we have a lot of different viewpoints and different ideas. creates conversation -- able to resonate with the front characters in line with how they feel. create conflict and start those conversations. >> shocker. people learn that black folks are not in fact monolithic. >> exactly i know. >> i do want to talk a little bit about what you do off screen. you teamed up with tom, a -- climate change, right? people with color living with social economic inequalities are disproportionately affected. this is environmental advocacy,

i did not know you were an environmental justice warrior, talk to me a little bit about that. >> yeah, so with my thomas of maine partnership we are actually able to fund a lot of young bipoc community leaders who had great environmental ideas. whether that was starting, there was a girl who started a sustainable we've business where she was able to recite -- upcycled products and turn them into weaves, insane, mind-boggling to me. these kids are below the age of 18 doing things that i could have never imagined. so yeah very, the environment is very important to me. and i think it should be very important to everyone. after all we live on this planet. it's our quality of life. it's the quality of life of the things around us. and so, like you said, bipoc communities are affected vastly more intensely than any other communities when it comes to

whether it was covid 19 or you have got wildfires out here in california, you have got the smoke that has been over newark recently. it's insane. the environment is very important to me,, so i was glad to make that partnership happen. >> marcus scribner, i appreciate you for being here. y'all go out there, y'all go watch the final season of grown-ish, we will all be very sad when it is over, but we will have the memories and the old episodes. thanks very much. >> yes we will, yes we will. all right thank you. >> thank you. and thank you out there for watching symone on this saturday. that is it for me, i am symone sanders-townsend you can catch me right here on msnbc weekends at four pm eastern, and anytime over on peacock where i have new episodes on the msnbc hub every monday. for more of the show, including some behind the scenes video, you will not see anywhere else find us on instagram twitter and the tiktok. i am also on threads at symone the sanders. politicsnation with the great

reverend al sharpton starts right now. rev, i know you have got a great show today. you have got a conversation about that oklahoma superintendent who said the tulsa race massacre wasn't actually about race. >> it is, it really is astounding. i am definitely going to talk about that, simon. how do you tell students but -- in tulsa, do not talk about race in the oklahoma mass race massacre that destroyed the black wall street. we will talk about that. and i am was excited about it as always, coming behind the great, fabulous symone. thank you very much. >> i love you, graph, all be watching, take it away. >> all right, good evening, and welcome to politicsnation. tonight's lead, making the case. right