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president. nbc news has no exclusively obtained a copy of ex homeland security aide miles taylor's upcoming book, in which he accounts -- and national security adviser john bolton. during that meeting, then white house press secretary sarah huckabee sanders and heard bolton's office, told him that trump just shared classified information to reporters, while discussing the killing of journalist jamal khashoggi. sanders told bolton that the president had picked up documents relating to intelligence on khashoggi's death, and displayed the. the reporters were unlikely to have been able to read the text. according to the book, bolton gassed at first, but breathed a sigh of relief when sanders told him that there have been no cameras in the room. but as taylor writes, quote, we were all disturbed by the laps in political and poor protection of classified information. that new information comes on the heels of another revelation

made by an ex trump official on this very network last week. here's former white house press secretary stephanie -- >> look. you know donald trump. is it possible trump was showing classified documents to people in private meetings? >> the short answer is yes. i watched him show documents to people at mar-a-lago on the dining room patio, so he has no respect for classified information. never did. >> now, taylor and graham's story should hardly come as a shock. the ex president has a storied history of sharing sensitive information. perhaps the most infamous example, 2017 oval office meeting between trump and russian foreign minister sergei lavrov, and russian ambassador sergei kyslyak. during that meeting, trump reportedly revealed highly classified information to his costs. information that was obtained via intelligence sharing information with another country. later revealed to be israel. then there's this tweet from

trump in august 2019. the then president sent out a detailed aerial image of an iranian launchpad that experts at the time described as quote, almost certainly highly classified. i could go on and on about other examples like this. but what is clear is that trump has a documented pattern of not respecting our nation's secrets. as we now know, it's a pattern he continued after leaving office. this week, trump's alleged coconspirator jack smith's documents case, his personal aide walt nauta, pleaded not guilty for his part in mishandling of the country's secrets. now this plea came just one day after a federal magistrate judge unsealed additional portions of the affidavit that the fbi used to obtain a search warrant for mar-a-lago last summer. the newly unredacted sections suggested the prosecutors based their search in part on surveillance footage from cameras near a store trip in the basement of the resort. showing none other than walt

nauta moving dozens of fox's in and out of the the room the days before the prosecutors arrived to collect any more sensitive documents. there's a lot to discuss tonight, so let's bring in our panel. -- and former executive director of the new york state democratic party. he is now the director of the public policy program at the roosevelt house institute of hunter college. dave ehrenberg, state attorney for palm beach county florida, and jennifer -- the former chair of the new hampshire republican party. it is good to see you all. let's start with this 2018 overall office incident meeting, where trump allegedly showed reporters classified material. i know, knowing you, that you are no longer shocked by any of this. but what does it say to you that it was a pattern of behavior that began in the white house and continued even after he had left office? >> --

i have hillary clinton on my mind. why? because back in 2016 she often talked about how we do not know the extent of the people that influenced trump and the people that trump sort of cares about in his circle and people that he wants to impress. so when i think about that, and i sort of layer that on top of this current situation, it just goes to show that there is a lot in the trump orbit that we still don't know. we still don't know why he might have some of these documents maybe not open on his desk, but on his desk or in his house. who he is showing it to, what he thinks he can glean from or obtain from, profit from, showing these documents to individuals. and the fact that he did as president suggests to me that he doesn't really have respect for the office when he was there, certainly not as former president. he doesn't have respect for the people who gathered this information, who put their

lives on the line to gather and protect it, and that to me i think is just a consistent finance of that. and then i go back to something we've been hearing for the 2016. the man is reckless, and we don't know the extent of the folks at his orbit and what influences this kind of behavior. and that's dangerous. >> jennifer, it is undoubtedly dangerous. as you laid out there, no regard for the office. no regard for the people who this information was like to keep safe, and the real possibility that he could get back into the white house once again, have access to this kind of information. just how big of a threat of a dangerous that this country? >> well, it's an extraordinary danger. and i've a lot of respect for basil's response, and for the dignity of his response. but i think it's really important that were very direct and clear that donald trump is dangerous.

he's dangerous to -- he undermines the security of our nation, but he's dangerous to the safety of every individual american citizen. every person who lives in this country is potentially the target of harm, because of how he handles these documents. because of how he mishandles classified information. but, beyond that, i also want to say with all due respect to folks that are coming out in talking about what happened in these meetings, and writing books about it, i have no respect for those folks. because my question is, why didn't they say something in 2017? why didn't they say something in 2020? why didn't the american people hear from the folks who were inside these meetings and inside the white house as it was happening? donald trump being able to get away with as much as he has and the fact that he -- he uses this classified information to kind of build his strongman image, with the

people in the room, with his followers. and it has fed his ability to keep those followers in line behind him. it is incredibly dangerous, but i have a tremendous amount of i guess, anger for those folks who are inside those meetings and inside the white house all those years ago, and never spoke up at the time. >> i think there are a lot of people who share jennifer's anger, who share jennifer's frustration, and it feels, correct me if i'm wrong, that we're getting closer to what could be accountability here, which is the thing that so many people have been hungry for. i wonder, this documented pattern of misbehavior from the former president, of showing documents that he was not supposed to be sharing with people both when he was president, after he was president, if the part of it that we have just learned's of used to jack smith as he built his case? >> alicia, who continue to say

america first as he plays fast and loose with america's secrets. and it will hurt donald trump in the court of public opinion, among the few swing voters that are left. but amongst prosecutors, i don't think this is going to make a big difference. and that's because donald trump, when he was president, had brought authority to the classified documents. that's his number one defense. he says he has a standing declassification order, we know that's bunk. he says he can mentally do some jiu-jitsu and declassify things subliminally, we know that's garbage too. but all it takes is one juror to have doubts, and if you include these salacious facts that he was quick to show people these documents while he was president, it's going to confuse matters and jack smith doesn't need it. the crime here is the willful retention of the documents, it's also the dissemination of the documents after he left the oval office. and the fact that he's on tape knowing that the documents were not declassified, he had no

power to do so after he left the presidency, means everything to prosecutors. you don't have to go back to the time when he was president. >> basil, i want to move under these new developments in the documents case. former trump fixer michael cohen has a warning of sorts for walt nauta, saying that he should be aware of trump's willingness to throw people under the bus, which seems rather obvious to anyone that's been paying attention. i wonder, as a keen political observer, if you think that now tua might heed cohen's warning there? >> oh, you know what? when mr. notice name was first mentioned several weeks ago, the first thing that came to my mind is, there's a lot that he knows and if he is part, if. -- because if i remember correctly, his title was vela. -- knows the movements, is often in the room.

never is given a major title, but is privy to so much information. so many private conversations. but in addition to that, he's the one on tape. not donald trump, moving these boxes. so with all of that information in his head, with all of the places that he's probably been and what he's been privy to, and as well as the fact that he's the one on tape moving these boxes, i would imagine that he's in a position -- people are saying to him, and i do think that he should heed that advice that hey, save yourself. you've got to start talking and quickly to an earlier point, in terms of that anger and frustration to people that were there and didn't step up at the time, this is a situation where mr. nauta can step up right here, right now, don't continue to drag this out, just make the case right now against donald trump. >> i want to ask you dave. the were portions of this that

were nearly unredacted, and notable that some portions or maine sealed. magistrate judge priess reinhart said in his order once a, he made the decision to keep that information private as a quote, identifies investigative steps that have not yet been made public. what does that say to you? >> it tells me that jack smith is not done, it tells me that donald trump has a lot more to worry about. look at the part that was revealed to the public, that won't nauta is with his number five. that means there are at least four other witnesses who are close to trump he were giving the department of justice some important information. because other witnesses are not getting charged. it's just now to. and that's because noah lied and he did not then provide helpful information to the government. so all of this stuff tells me that the walls are closing in on the former president. that jacks mitt and the department of justice are going to indict, and not just on

documents, i think actually the lot more counts when it comes to the documents. but also when it comes to january 6th. so the day of reckoning is coming. >> jennifer, to take nothing away from your original point about these aides, i do have to say, it strikes me that donald trump takes issue with these aides sharing he would say, leaking, and yet has no issue himself waving around classified documents. the hypocrisy is really something to behold. >> i would suggest it's not so much hypocrisy as it is north of narcissism. and remind folks that, i am one of the many that believe that donald trump suffers from narcissism to a degree that is a diagnose-able and ill. it's an illness. having these documents in his hands, waving them around, referencing them as if he actually understands and knows

what is contained in them, has any sort of intellectual understanding of them, this all feeds donald trump's narcissism. it feeds his strongman image of himself, the authoritarianism that he brings forward. and the more that we learn about it, the more that it becomes public knowledge through the unfolding of these charges and these cases against him right now, for somebody referencing that handful of undecided voters, absolutely it will have a negative impact on his standing with those folks. but it is strengthening his position with his followers. with his base. the more they hear these stories, the more they say how. look. he's the guy. nobody can take him down, nobody can get him. and it's not just political. we really do have to understand as a nation, as we approach the next cycle of elections, it's not political for donald trump. this really can be dangerous. he is committed to putting

himself, getting back into the white house for nefarious purposes. and i'm not a conspiracy theorist, i'm not a conspiracy person, i say what i think is actually the truth. donald trump does not have good intentions for the country, for the people, or for his own followers. and i think voters have to really take that seriously. >> i love that you always refer to his image of himself is a strongman, not that he actually. as the panel is always -- we're gonna discuss new developments in jacks mitt's other investigation. trump's efforts to overturn the 2020 election. 2020 ectleion. doctor about breztri. breztri gives you better breathing, symptom improvement, and helps prevent flare-ups. breztri won't replace a rescue inhaler for sudden breathing problems. it is not for asthma. tell your doctor if you have a heart condition or high blood pressure before taking it. don't take breztri more than prescribed. breztri may increase your risk of thrush, pneumonia, and osteoporosis.

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providing -- first of all, the overstock person no one who this guy was. the first thing i did, i walked and i looked at him and i said who were you. and he told me. i don't think any of these people were providing the president with good advice. >> that was former white house counsel pat cipollone testified to january 6th committee investigators about a heated gathering at the oval office, that committee member jamie raskin once called quote, the craziest meeting of the trump presidency. cnn reports special counsel jack smith's team is now questioning witnesses about that december 2020 meeting. during which trump considered some of the more desperate proposals to stay in power, including using the u.s. military as voting machines. according to the wall street journal, smith has shifted the focus of his election interference investigation to lawyers like sydney powell who was in that meeting. powell infamously spread basis election fraud claims, even

suggesting the venezuelan president hugo chavez helped change the result. another top target, rudy giuliani who met with jack smith's team last week. the general ports that giuliani was interviewed for eight hours, was asked about john eastman, the architect of trump's strategy to stop congress from certifying joe biden's election when. let's bring back our panel. -- trump lawyers like giuliani reportedly a focus for jack smith right now. we just learned that a d.c.-based disciplinary panel is calling for giuliani to be disbarred over his quote, utter disregard for the facts in his election fraud claims. that will be decided by the d.c. court of appeals. between this, jack smith's probe, just how much legal trouble is rudy giuliani in? >> a whole lot. what a fall for america's mayor, what a fall for the u.s. attorney. he's now resembling the people he wants prosecuted. and he gave this lengthy

proffer to federal investigators, and that's an offer of information in return in his mind for maybe immunity or a good deal. and so he knows that the walls are closing in for him. and he's not the only one. you have sydney powell, everyone in team crazy, michael flynn, the overstock guy, patrick byrne, they're all liable to be indicted by jack smith. because they got into the white house and they tried to convince the president at the time, donald trump, to impose martial law into use military to seize the voting machines. so what you're talking about here is the potential violation of federal law, conspiracy to defraud the united states for example, obstruction of an official proceeding as a possibility. so i do think charges or coming, not just for trump, but for his henchmen. these guys you try to plot a coup from within. >> i want to get back to that report that smith's team is looking into that infamous oval office meeting. you know of course january six committee, how chaotic that

meeting was with trump hearing waltz adjustments from sydney powell, from mike flynn. how damaging do you think this could be for trump's team? you have dave talking about the legal consequences. i even just wonder more broadly, what it tells you about his team and what they are facing? >> you know, you must earlier if there's anything that shocked me or surprises me. reports like this actually. when you talk about using the military. when you talk about using the full power of the presidency, how when you center the individual americans, individual voters in this conversation, what power do they have against a president who says that he wants to use the military to change the election? we didn't get there, but it just reminds how close we came to an utter catastrophe in this country, because one individual wanted to --

and to the point of that henchmen, and he had henchmen who helped subdue. it so i don't know if this conversation actually meets illegal thresholds, i'm not a lawyer, so i don't know what legal value this particular conversation has. but i will say in the court of public opinion, jennifer made the point earlier. i don't know that his supporters really care. but if the republican party is trying to find a way to bring people back to the republican party to vote for republicans, if you're siding with donald trump or silent on these issues, i don't think i know how you do that. it leaves the door open for democrats to come in and say with a more responsible party that actually believes in democracy, leaves in governance. so when you look, when you really look at the details of the conversation at length, you're savior self, how do these people get here? and thank god they're gone. at least from the white house. >> jennifer, that dynamic that

basal lays out is relevant. as basil himself would say, in a general election. we are looking at a primary. where you have a bunch of people who want to be the republican nominee but don't actually seem interested in holding trump accountable or taking him to task. and they've got six months between now and iowa. so i don't know what the inflection point is that they're waiting for, where they're like all right, this is it. this is my shot to go after him and create a clear contrast here. >> i don't think that any, other than maybe eight to status and -- chris christie is certainly going after him straight on. but he is the only one who has any interest in doing. it i don't think any of the strategies for any of the other candidates involved waiting for an inflection point after which they go after trump. in their heads, they are waiting for his operation to implode.

they're waiting for him to collapse under the weight of the legal proceedings that are -- that he's dealing with right now. maybe another indictment, another witness statement that gets leaked. they're just waiting for it to pile up and have it organically collapse. and they're convinced that that will happen and to, when it does, they'll be the guy. i'm the one that they'll all come to. and the wrong on both counts. the wrong on both counts. donald trump could be in jail primary day. and he will still win the primary in most of the states. so, they're completely unrealistic in what they expect to come out of this. but i would also make the point, as i was listening into this whole conversation unfolds, i remember back when i was chairman in new hampshire, and the 2016 election was unfolding, there were all of these republican activists and conspiracy theorists who were

spreading this story that we have to watch out because brock a bomb it is going to call up the military to try to give himself a third term. he's gonna try to hold the white house, we have to be careful of how dangerous he'll be. he's gonna call martial law. and there were all up in arms about this idea until they learned a few years later that it was donald trump who was what those people suggested. and then all of a sudden, gee, maybe that's what we need to do. we'll follow donald trump's call to go to washington on january six. so that's the mindset of the people who are donald trump's base voters. you can't reason with them. and as long as these other candidates believe that somehow these voters are going to turn to them when donald trump becomes more of a victim of the department of, they're as disconnected from reality as donald trump is. >> dave, the effort on the part of smith, specifically as it

relates to january 6th probe, it continues to expand. he's subpoenaed arizona secretary of state -- regarding information linked to a pair of lawsuits. one filed by trump's campaign, the other by arizona republican party chair kelly ward that carrie -- claimed airs and flawed -- i think it is possible, we just don't know. your sense of where that is? >> alicia, i think it was strange because governor doocy said that he has not communicated with jack smith. and we think that he would reach out, but it tells me that they're more concerned with the fake elector a lot, and that to me is rife for charges. because the feds love to charge wire fraud, and that seems to be wire fraud for me. plus conspiracy to defraud the united states. i think it's better to talk to former governor juicy, but they don't need him if they're gonna

go after the fake electors. and i think that's really where they're going. that to me is the lowest hanging fruit. but the fact that they're talking to arizona, they're doing what other states around the country, tells me that this is reaching a crescendo. and i do expect charges from jack smith when it comes to january 6th eminently, sooner than i think for me willis in georgia will file for charges. >> thank you all for getting us started. after the break, -- donald trump's words can lead to action in his followers. in his followers wny unstopables in-wash scent boosters keep your laundry smelling fresh waaaay longer than detergent alone. if you want laundry to smell fresh for weeks, make sure you have downy unstopables in-wash scent boosters. my husband and i have never been more active. shingles doesn't care. i go to spin classes with my coworkers. good for you, shingles doesn't care. because no matter how healthy you feel,

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recently drove across the country in a van, carrying two firearms, hundreds of rounds of ammunition, and a machete. according to prosecutors, toronto entered the a bomoseen aber hood and posted on social media quote, we've got these losers surrounded! see you and a hell, pedestrians and obamas. toronto also threatened congressman jamie raskin and warn kevin mccarthy that he quote, can't stop what's coming. fortunately law enforcement had been tracking his movements and arrested him after a foot pursuit. of course, this is not the first time extremists have taken their cues from the ex president. in fact, a new report from cruz -- ethics in washington, found that 174 defendants charged for participating in the january 6th insurrection specifically said they were answering donald trump's calls when they traveled to join the violent attack. trump's most extreme supporters are currently engaging in harassment campaign, issuing death threats against the

prosecutors in trump's classified documents case. joining me now, congressman eric swallow of california. congressman, you have been on the receiving of targeted right-wing harassment campaigns, i believe back in january showed death threats that had been left on your voice mail. what does it feel like? what does it mean for a person's life to be at the center of a coordinated hate operation like that? >> thank you alicia. when it comes to the threats, the first priority of course is your family and your staff. they're in a fixed position, often as we saw in the paul pelosi attack. oftentimes the target of these threats, they're on the move. and you're never in a fixed position. so you worry that it's your family or staff that would suffer the consequences. but you also have to make it clear that that is not going to stop you from doing your job, speaking out against maga extremism. and i make that clear every day. i'm afraid that we just don't

have the resources right now to protect elected officials, to protect school board officials who are often bearing the brunt of maga extremism. and so, i have also worked in the congress to rewrite the criminal threat laws to make sure that they contemplate the new world of social media and how people use social media to make these threats. but the reality is, donald trump's amazon prime when it comes to violence and death threats. as soon as he into meets that somebody has an issue, he puts the threat right at your doorstep. right at the doorstep of democracy on january 6th, right at the doorstep of the former president and president obama just two weeks ago. and that's why we can never let this guy close to power again, because he will never let go. >> it seems common traits among maga extremists, a complete lack of recognition of the u.s. government, of u.s. law, of

u.s. courts. the new york times reported this week, a california man charged for his actions on january 6th intends to act as his own lawyer in court, and argue that the entire capital riot was a false flag. are americans aware of just how many of these dangerous conspiracy theories are out there? folks like him, the man who was elected near -- arrested near obama's house, in a sort of hyper partisan political environment, how do you get people -- how do you talk to people about the fact that this doesn't just impact democrats? it really impacts every service member, it impacts these prosecutors in the jacks mitt case. it impacts a lot of people who are just trying to go to work and do their jobs. >> we have to make it -- the maga movement is an anti-freedom movement. and they work in a way where they prefer violence over

voting. and democrats at the ballot box have to frame this as what makes as american. it's our freedom. and what makes us free. just as makes us great. voting makes esprit. community makes us free. our military makes us free. our police and law and order make us free. and so when you attack that, you make us less free and ultimately less american. i'll also say that i am concerned, i saw a recently that 25% of republican voters said that if donald trump is charged for january 6th, that will make the more likely to vote for him. again, this was enough to overthrow the government and they would be more likely to vote for him if that was the case. and so, that is what we have to frame this as chaos versus community. we want freedom, and community, they want chaos. -- fbi director chris wray said to testify before the committee next week. jim jordan of course, hadley --

including a federal investigation into hunter biden. how do democrats ashore it doesn't turn into a circus, given that that is most likely what jim jordan and his -- want? you did a decent job of keeping the john durham hearing tethered to reality. what do you do that? how is what is the playbook? -- >> the playbook has to be a freaky playbook. first, discredit jim -- jim jordan and make sure that we all understand how rich an exquisite it is that somebody who has four plus days into defying a lawful subpoena is bringing the head of law enforcement in our country to talk about his grievances over hunter biden, joe biden, donald trump, et cetera. so that's quite rich and we should make there -- sure that jordan and his gang are discredited. we should defend any false claims that they make against the administration, or law enforcement. and then finally, we should pivot to what we would deliver if we were in charge. i can promise you, if we were

in charge, we would be talking to the fbi director about the mass shooting spree that took place over fourth of july week in america and what we can do to protect police in america, and to protect the people in our communities who the police protect who are all suffering from gun violence. >> congressman eric swalwell, as always, thank you for taking the time to be with us. up next, the supreme court's image crisis. why the chief justice seems intent on not fixing the problem. problem. s easy-to-use tools, like dynamic charting and risk-reward analysis help make trading feel effortless. and its customizable scans with social sentiment help you find and unlock opportunities in the market. e*trade from morgan stanley.

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the courts rulings or the alleged ethical lapses of its two justices. clarence thomas and samuel alito, both of whom reportedly failed to disclose a number of luxury vacations and gifts from gop mega donors. couple together, it's no surprise of the courts reprieve will rating is at a historically all-time low. a recent poll found that just 30% of republican -- joining me now -- senior correspondent at vox. and noah bookbinder, president of citizens for response ability and ethics in washington, also known as crew. ian, you paint a great piece reebok this week detailing how recently, both chief justice and -- have been quite contemptuous of those who criticize the rulings. alito ranted about it in a wall street journal interview. roberts scolded his liberal colleagues at his students that opinion. why such a disdain? what does the disdain tell you for pushback? >> well.

look the courts goal is to present the notion that they are law guys, who just interpret law that's written down somewhere in the ether. that there is no politics going on here. and certainly, there's no corruption going on anywhere here. and, honestly, i think it's good that the corruption is being exposed. because this court has been hinting up political decisions, then hitting out ideological decisions, constantly over and over again. and the reason why we got these decisions isn't because anything changed in the law, affirmative action has been legal at least in limited circumstances for 45 years. roe v. wade was the law of the land for almost 50 years. and the reason that those things changed is because republicans disparaged the court, they found ways to run, to campaign against the court, and eventually they won. and the one good thing about these ethical lapses is that it gives democrats all the ammunition they need to run the

exact same campaign against the republican court, that republicans ran against the court. >> and also, the impetus to actually put together some type of court reform bill. i wonder what you've heard about what's coming out of the senate judiciary committee's bill. what specific provisions they're considering, and then i think of the bigger question, which is how likely it is to actually make its way through congress. >> yeah. so the legislation that the senate judiciary committee is likely to be considering well pretty scene -- significantly tighten and given -- gives some teeth to the rules around recusal, basically when a judge has to step off a case because they may have a conflict of interest. and so it would say that if a judge got a gift from somebody, in the last few years if this person hoped there process of getting on to the court, then they'd have to step off of any

case involving that person. it would allow the full supreme to decide whether a specific justice needed to recuse in a case, instead of just leaving it up to that judge himself and a similar process for lower court judges. so there are a number of really imported reforms that are. i think that on the one hand, i think somewhat unfortunately, the prospect for ultimate passage is probably a bit tough. right now the house representatives are seeing this as a partisan issue, and doesn't seem as interested in movement on this kind of legislation, although i think the senate will start to move forward. but what i would say is that the supreme court, i think the last thing they want is anybody else coming in and telling them what they need to do, including congress. and the more that congress acts on this, the more pressure it puts on john roberts and others to do something to clean their

own house. >> they don't want anyone coming in and telling them what to do, which goes back to ian's idea of lockups. which by the way, actual and idea for a podcast. look forward to. it in, i mentioned that poll in the raw hunch of polls that all indicate the same thing, which is that people don't have faith in the court. the court is not popular, it is very clear from the outside. i wonder in your sense if that is being felt inside the court, and then what the responses to that sense that people have lost faith in the institution? >> i think that the court is beginning to grapple with the fact that everyone hates them, and we did see some signs this term that they are backing away from the most extreme positions. they backed away from several attacks on free and fair elections this term, they smacked down the fifth circuit a few times. the fifth circuit is the mega court that is doing all of the most aggressive things. the most atlantic -- there like the freedom caucus

in the judiciary. and the supreme court, they're acting like they're a little bit spooked, but they aren't acting -- what they are doing is giving up all the old grudges that republicans have held for a very long time. they didn't give up their grudge against roe v. wade, they didn't give up their grudge against affirmative action, they didn't give up their grudge against biden's loan forgiveness program. so i think we have a court that is trying to find a space where they can still be pretty partisan, while maybe throwing a bone every now and then do the concept of appearing legitimate. but they need to throw some bigger bones. >> all of this is a product -- that's not fair. a lot of this is a product of the trump presidency, and this sort of hangover of the trump presidency. i want to get your reflections on some data that was compiled by crew. 170 for january 6th criminal defendants, they are on record

saying that in some fashion, trump incited them to action. tell me more about the. >> yeah, well certainly there's a lot of discussion about who was responsible for the attack on the capitol on january 6th. and donald trump and his supporters say it wasn't him, he didn't have anything to do with it. well how do we know who was responsible? we know for a lot of reasons, but one of them is watch the people who did it have said. what they have told us. and so our researchers went through and looked at every person charged with playing a role in that insurrection on january 6th 2021, and we found that so far, this number is short to grow, 174 of them said in letters to judges, in statements to court, in their social media, that i was there because donald trump sent me. that donald trump's tweets, donald trump speeches, his comments, they told me to be there. to go to the capitol and that's why i did it. and i think that's incredibly

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it would grind government to a halt. >> of course, donald trump was warning americans than about hillary clinton. just days after the investigation into her handling of classified information had been reopened by an fbi director james comey. now, trump find himself in the exact same predicament he once anticipated for clinton. charged with 37 federal criminal accounts for his retention of classified documents after leaving office. donald trump is known for protecting his own political weaknesses onto his opponents, but i don't think even he could've anticipated just how true his words would ring. for himself. that's all the time i have for today, i'm alicia menendez, i'm gonna see you back here tomorrow at six pm eastern for more american voices. stick around, there's more msnbc after a quick break. r a quick break. choosing a treatment for your chronic migraine - 15 or more headache days a month, each lasting 4 hours

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