>> this is the katie phang show live from miami, florida. we have lots of news to other, of the questions to answer, let's get started. mr. biden goes to europe. president biden is about to embark on a five-day trip to europe, for a nato summit. how the president plans to make the case for continued support for ukraine, we'll's battle with russia enters 500 days. ready, set, go. mark zuckerberg's so-called twitter killer rolls out to rave reviews and record it downloads. but i want to know, what is being done to keep the by the

end platform free of this and misinformation? collins joins us live to break it all down. and later, from pageants to politics, we will talk to the first asian american woman to be crowned miss texas. she is not backing down from taking on the lone star states right wing zealots. all of this and more is coming up. and the good sunday morning to, you i'm katie phang. we will start today still with a look ahead at president biden's upcoming 14th international trip as president of the united states. in just about two hours, he will begin a five-day trip to three european countries, for a series of high stakes meetings where russia's inner turmoil and war in ukraine will likely dominate discussions. tomorrow, the president will meet with america's closest allies. he is set to top british prime minister rishi sunak, and king charles the third, in a bid to

strengthen nato alliance in support of ukraine. then, later in the week, biden will travel to lithuania for the 74th nato summit. after, to helsinki, finland, for a u.s. nordic allegiances summit. while biden focused on keeping nato unified, his meetings in europe could become contentious, with turkey blocking sweden from joining nato, a delayed ukrainian counter offensive, and tensions over biden's controversial decision to give ukraine cluster bombs. joining me now, live, is nbc news white house correspondent allie raffa. ali, good morning. what is at stake for president biden at this upcoming nato summit? >> good morning, katie. when you think of the timing of this nato summit, the stakes really could not be higher. this is coming at an inflection point in russia's invasion of ukraine. it is coming up just a little over two weeks after we saw that near rebellion in russia that threatened president pet putin's power, all of this as ukraine continues to receive support for its counteroffensive.

president biden's walking sort of a diplomatic tightrope here. he is arguing that ukraine should be able to receive as much support as it needs for as long as it needs it, all of this as concerns grow not just among lawmakers here in the u.s. but also just among the nato allies about how long these countries will be able to provide that support. then you have the nato membership aspect of this. we know that the president, after this nato summit, he will head to finland to personally welcome nato's newest member of this alliance. all of this happening as we continue to see president zelenskyy's campaign for ukraine's membership into nato. he's hoping for at least the beginning of a framework to come out of this nato summit. but that's led to divisions within nato itself. we've seen some countries, remember, say they don't want, at least as long as ukraine's as war with russia, but ukraine to enter nato to not potentially risk being the target of russian aggression. the president himself saying that ukraine is not ready to join nato so this is going to

be a very delicate dance for president biden. it was a try and showcase his strength on the world stage, try to rally support behind ukraine, and try to strengthen the nato alliance when there is already divisions within the alliance katie. >> and, ali has president biden's decision to provide ukraine cluster bombs already caused some had visions with a nato? >> we've already seen him received pushback from members of his own party here in the states to that decision. so it's going to be very interesting to see whether he receives pushback during the summit cause after all, remember, there are several nato allied countries who signed on to treat back in -- -- were not among the signatories of that treaty. so it is going to be very interesting to see whether the president receives pushback from these nato allies, especially when you think of

how the president lately has touted his ability to unite these nato allies in the aftermath of russia's invasion of ukraine katy. >> allie raffa, thanks for getting a start of this morning, i appreciate it. ahead, on the sunday show at nine a.m. deputy pentagon press secretary christina scene talks to jonathan capehart to talk about more about his high stakes trip to europe. that is a name on the sunday show right here on nbc and turning now to trump world. the twice impeached, twice indicted, one term ex president is busy on the campaign trail making his 2024 campaign debut in nevada. a state he lost in the first past two presidential elections. and assures the sky is blue, you can count on trump spouting a bunch of lies reflecting a major disconnect from reality. but what's even more concerning is his barrage of unhinged new posts on social media where he went after both special counsel jack smith and once he calls the quote, corrupt doj. sounds to me like someone knows accountability is right around the corner, especially now that his alleged coconspirator in

the classified documents case has finally been arraigned after two unsuccessful tries. joining me now is jeffrey sloan, partner at stump hauser collides an, hour it's lowman, in the former united states attorney for the southern district of florida. jeff, thanks for being back on the show. we had you before the arraignment happened of donald trump. we saw that go down, we saw walt now does the failed attempts at arraignment evasion, and his counsel. what's immediately next on the evasion. friday is the pretrial conference in aligning with the government's motion for continuance, so the motion for continuance as well as deadlines for the procedures that everybody has been talking about. it is going to be discussed at this hearing on friday. >> so when you say that the government is moving to continue, are we talking about moving to continue to a december trial day? >> because we knew that aileen cannon, the judge in this case had originally said in august

trial which is few weeks away. >> that's an armed official deadline so the government has filed a motion to continue, to basically say hey, look. this is a relatively simple case, however, because of the classified documents issue, we are going to give the defense the opportunity to get their security clearances in place we're going to give the defense the opportunity to review the relatively small number of classified materials, and we are going to have procedures in place so that the defense can raise objections can ask for different materials, and the government can also provide suggestions as to how substitutions for the classified materials it'll be presented to the jury. >> jeff, let's talk about possibilities for delay, where are the baked in battles that our viewers could be looking at in terms of the discovery process and actually getting this to the finish line of a trial the government has

produced all the non-classified materials as of june 21st that they represented an emotion to continue but going forward there is going to be bad ellen's drawn over how the classified materials are going to be presented to the jury. the government is going to try and say they need to be anonymized, in other, words that information that is in the materials should not be presented to the. . >> and the defense will probably say, oh no, we've got to present all these things because they are for whatever reasons that the defense want to make it more complicated so the government is going to try and simplify it the defense gonna try to make it more complicated, and they're also going to raise motions that are coming up at the end of the month regarding, maybe, dismissing the indictment and maybe saying that the government was at of balance in leaking material or things like that. so they may file those motions those motions should go nowhere but then in september and

october, and november, there will be deadlines that i believe the court will impose with regard to how the classified materials will be presented. >> so we're making a big assumption, aren't we, jeff, that this trial would go to trial in december. judge cannon actually has the final say of when the trial they could happen. so even if the government and the defense say, we could be ready by december which i doubt trump would say that but even if they said that cannot say no i don't think it's realistic, i'm gonna set it farther on 2024. >> right, so i think the defense of this hearing on friday will say that the government's deadlines are ambitious that it should be pushed out even further. and so i think that the reasonable expectation for the public should be some time in either the spring or the late winter or spring of 2024. >> let's also talk about the fact that while not i just got

council on board. you have to defendants in this particular indictment. donald trump and walt now into. is there a possibility that they get severed in some, way and get tried separately, because nauta doesn't have classified documents drama going on. nauta just as obstruction, false statements, et cetera. he doesn't deal with more classified documents complications under cepa as donald trump, right? >> you would think in a normal situation at somebody like nauta would want to have a separate trial because he is not charged with the counts one through 31. he is charged with obstruction, he is charged with lying to federal agents and things like that. he is not charge of the classified documents aspect of the case so in a normal situation a defendant like nadia would want to be separated, or maybe not, i don't know. but he is not really tanned central to the classified documents portion of the case the way the former president's. >> they're actually pretty tied

to the hip here. i did notice something at the arraignment for walt nauta. donald trump had an order that was put in and there was a little bit of drama putting in with amy cannon in terms of contact with witnesses. but we can see that special condition of a bond in poorest upon walt nauta. is that typical to see different bond conditions, maybe from donald trump versus walt nauta? >> not really. it is usually offer one-on-one for all. so i think that from whatever reason i don't think we'll not is going to be suspected of communicating with witnesses is going to be suspected of trying to put their thumb on the scale. i think it's why the order was directed to the former president. >> jeffries lowman, i think you're being very generous, because i think walt nauta would try to have a lot with other people, including his codefendant, donald trump. jeffrey salman, attorney for the southern district of the state of florida, thank you for your knowledge and insight and for giving us the brass tacks of what we can expect. we are going to have you back as each step of the process goes along. thanks for being here. >> thank you. >> still to come this morning

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united states supreme court congress has changed the number of justices only seven times and could do it again. house democrats are calling on president biden to back major judicial reform for scotus, including an expansion, as well as a binding code of ethics for justices. something massachusetts congresswoman, ayanna pressley, says a sorely needed thanks to

some of the conservative justices questionable friendships with billionaire, gop megadonor's with business before the court. . >> i'd assume that most people considered the highest court of the land to be one that is operating with the highest of ethical standards and integrity, is nonpartisan, and is advancing the justice consisting with the majority wall of the people. and of course, all three of those are in question. they are moving in a way that is partisan, again, as accomplices and coconspirators and the obstruction of justice, consistent with the agenda of the maga-verse publicans. >> the renewed calls for reform come as the court continues to rip rights away from americans. last june, the court's conservative majority overturn decades of precedents from abortion rights gun control laws to climate change proposals, and this year, the court struck again, with the recent rulings against affirmative action, lgbtq+ rights and student loan debt

relief. joining me now leah litman, professor at the university of michigan school of law and the co-host of the podcast, strict scrutiny. leah, so good to have you here this morning. let's start with reforming the supreme court, you know, no heavy lift there. options include court expansion, term limits mandatory requirements like something as fundamental as enforcement of a basic code of ethics. republicans, they're not gonna let any of that happen. so let's talk. what are the realistic options available here i, but? >> the reality, is there's a bunch of possible reforms that the democrats could make to the court if and when they actually decide to pass some legislation but of course passing legislation would require revisiting things like the filibuster that's right now probably the biggest obstacle in issue to them not controlling the house, to their being able to pass laws that could constrain the supreme court. of course, they could alter the number of deficits on the court they could even change the kinds of cases they allow courts to hear. they could say, court, you

can't actually strike down federal law securing voting rights, like the voting rights act. so there's a bunch of different things that they could try, but unless and until they are actually willing to revisit some of the congressional rules that prevent that from passing laws, that is probably unlikely to happen in the near future. but >> you, know leah, president biden blasted that ruling, saying that this is not a normal court. but biden has stayed away from endorsing any broad array of reforms, and in fact, the commission that he had prepared, that commission got together and submitted a 294-page report in december of 2021 on proposals for court reform. but on the flip side, leah, biden has put 133 judges on the federal bench in his first term, 11 more than trump did at that exact stage of his presidency, and biden has put a large number of public defenders, civil rights lawyers, and other types of lawyers on the bench. is that the right way to go from the ground up, versus trying to change it at the very

top? >> i think president biden has been doing a lot better on federal courts and federal judges than previous democratic administrations have, both in focusing on judicial nominations as an important part of any political parties agenda, as well as in the kinds of nominees he has nominated to the federal bench. but the reality is it is not actually fix the problem we find ourselves in. and i think he's doing better as far as talking about the problems that the supreme court is for the country acknowledging that this is not a normal court, but words are not going to be enough, because we know this court is not going to be cowed by some democratic political officials just saying this court is problematic. when senator durbin asked the chief justice to come before congress to testify about the courts many ethics problems, the chief justice basically sent back a shrug emoji and said, make me. so it is not words that is going to fix the problem that the supreme court's. >> talk about a disconnect, right? because you talk about that shrug emojis.

it is not just a congress, it is almost like supreme court justices are doing the same thing, in my opinion, to americans. in a recent abc news ipsos poll, a majority of americans, leah, believe the on a basis of partisan, political views. and then a gallup poll, only 2% of americans say that they had no opinion at all about the supreme court's job performance. it looks like americans are watching, and they are listening. but with lifetime appointments, why should any of the justices care? >> i think that is the problem is the combination of life temp ointments, coupled with the fact that this is really difficult for a majority of the country to see their views basically enacted or reflected into law because of the male apportionment in the senate, because of gerrymandering in the house, because the electoral college allows presidents to win the presidency even when they don't win the popular vote, so even if a majority of the country recognizes that this supreme court is a partisan institution

in need of political checks what are the institutions that are actually equipped to respond to a majority of the country's views? >> that is another part of the problem we are facing, and part of why it is so urgent for democrats to try and address the supreme court, if and when they actually do once more control both houses of congress in the presidency. >> so let's talk about the exigency that is headed for us. the court's term is in october, just a few months. experts are already warning the damage is not done yet. next on the docket, cases that could further restrict a presidents ability to manage federal agencies, critical agencies, i'd say, in cases that would loosen gun restrictions and gun regulations, leah is the worst yet to come for? >> the supreme court shows no signs of stopping. i think people might be under the misconception that this past term was, in some ways, more restrained than the previous one.

but that would be incorrect, and overlooking head to what's on the docket for next term, as you know, one of the questions of the court is gonna be addressing is whether administrative agencies can impose fines on companies that violate consumer laws or securities laws, or invent your mantle laws or any of the vast array of regulations that actually are limiting what corporations and powerful entities can do. the court is also considering whether federal law can disarm people who are subject to domestic violence restraining orders, they're considering the case that could decide the future of a wealth tax and the constitutionality of a wealth tax, and so much more. this court has physically positioned itself as an arbiter of how american government in american society can work and they are not going to stop trying to make it in their preferred image until someone actually stands up to them. >> leah litman, i appreciate you being here for very sobering and important conversation. come back when we actually have some more cases that hit this

turban october. but we will have you on before them. thank you for joining us this morning. >> thank you. >> still to come on the katie phang show. social media show down. as meadows new platform, threads, becomes the most downloaded app ever there are still some big security questions around data and privacy. nbc senior reporter ben collins breaks down the war for the new digital town square, after a quick break. to severe plaque psoriasis. now i feel free to bare my skin, thanks to skyrizi. ♪(uplifting music)♪ ♪nothing is everything♪ i'm celebrating my clearer skin... my way. with skyrizi, 3 out of 4 people achieved 90% clearer skin at 4 months. in another study, most people had 90% clearer skin, even at 5 years. and skyrizi is just 4 doses a year, after 2 starter doses. serious allergic reactions and an increased risk of infections or a lower ability to fight them may occur.

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despite some criticism, stories is a huge success on the platform. but providing an alternative to twitter is a much different challenge, as zuckerberg and the meta team are already under pressure to provide a better user experience on the new app and of course there's the issue of combatting misinformation as we're heading into another critical presidential election. twitter struggled with this problem before musk's takeover and it's gotten worse since then. but what will meadows approach be? joining me now nbc news senior reporter, ben collins. ben, good morning, any idea yet on how threads will police misinformation and disinformation on the platform? you and i know that facebook have took its foot off that gas pedal when it came to moderating content and making sure that the truth got out to its users. >> yeah, you know things kind of reversed course after january 6th. they tried a little bit harder to pump the brakes on all the insane stuff that was on the platform. and they are going to moderate like it is instagram.

so if you have an idea of what moderation is like an instagram, i think some people think it's a little bit too heavy-handed, maybe, but it is in fact a very moderated space. the guy who runs instagram, adam sorry said that he wants this to be an app that isn't focused that much on politics and news, would you can't really control if it's a text -based app, but that is what he said. whereas, twitter, by the way has gone in the opposite direction they've lifted all the guardrails they've gone in completely opposite direction one of the only slurs that you can't say on there right now is cysts as in a cis hetero male a person who is gender conformity, traditionally gender conforming person. but the other stuff, you know, the traditional racial slurs, the traditional anti-trans and anti-lgbtq stuff that is a lot on twitter. it shows you where their priorities are. so facebook is going to be in the business with threads, a pretty traditional moderation stuff, because if they can see

that is where the money, is that's what advertisers want that's what people largely want. >> and twitter is in the business of still, apparently, according not these. >> you, know ben, i'm glad you brought up adam mosseri said about the purpose of the platform of threads how maybe we're not gonna go towards the direction of policy and a hard use, but i wanted to bring this to your attention. as of thursday evening, more than a quarter of congress is 585 members across both chambers had created accounts on threads, as well as half a dozen republican presidential candidates and top white house aides do you think that is a misstep for him to take the position that politics and hard news doesn't have a place on threads? >> i think it comes from this place of facebook has four years attempted to court news organizations and then run it away when it became a problem for their business model. they would pay news organizations to get on their platforms, and then once it started to be a big problem when fake news and lies wound

up going to the top of their platforms, going to the top of their feeds, they would skirt any responsibility they would say. it doesn't have to do with, us doesn't do with this. but right up to the 2016 election, marks a cobourg said that they did have a problem with fake news on facebook, that is just what the country believed when 99% of the stuff on their platforms is true. obviously, there was a course when you start to see data on it so that's where this is coming from, that is them sort of playing a game of c y a here because they realize those people are coming. they realize that this is a successful platform, they need news people on the platform. they've already brought over lots of sports journalists and entertainment journalists are realizing that that is the sort of lifeblood of these platforms. they don't want to be responsible when it all comes tumbling down again which will, by the way, for the 2024 election. >> you know, ben, threads made it really easy to sign up for an account, because it's connected to instagram, which

has millions more users than twitter. but let's talk about the fine print. terms of use. i don't know how many people out there actually take the minute plus to read the fine print. are their concerns about keeping these two accounts linked to one another? >> oh yeah. currently you cannot tweet your threads account without also deleting your instagram account. now they say they're going to fix that it's going to be a big problem but all of the privacy issues that come with having a facebook account and instagram account the fact that sort of falls around the internet, the fact that they are constantly competing with the eu, and australia, and all these countries that have basic privacy laws that we don't have the united states. that should tell you something this is not a company that is interested in your privacy in any capacity. that said, if you are interested in a slightly better user experience than twitter, if you are not a neo-nazi, this still might be the app for you, i think, katie, look.

we are in a place right now where you can't trust any of these places it is not gonna work out in the. you've got to diversify yourself, you've got to get to all of these different spots, whatever. there are no good guys in this space. they're all trying to make money in a weird way, and they are all still chasing the beast of unstoppable growth. that means bad news individually for consumers. so just don't trust anybody, but do we are going to do and you decide. >> thinks about dose of reality, ben, i will say that it is exhausting having this many platforms and if you have some free, time then, because you don't really do anything, maybe you can manage all the differing accounts that we have to open up once they all open up. ben collins, my friend, thanks for joining us this morning. i appreciate it >> thanks, katie. >> next. america is under the gun after a violent fourth of july weekend netted 17 mass shootings across the country. president biden is renewing the

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gun violence archive and at least 20 people were killed, and 102 people were injured during the onslaught of violence. at the current pace, 2023 is set to be a record setting year for mass shootings, shattering the previous record set only two years ago. this is our grim reality of living in a country unwilling and unable to address its own gun violence problem, for his part, president biden is renewing calls for action. and the statement made after the string of fourth of july holiday shootings the president argued quote, i continue to, call upon republican lawmakers in congress to come to the table on meaningful, common sense reforms that the american people support. but if history is any indicator, the presidents words my might not be enough. joining me now executive director of moms demand action, angela farrell zahra, angela, good morning, thanks for being here. we are 190 days into the year of 2023, and the country is already seen it 365 mass shootings according to the gun violence archive's.

now that is almost to a day but you've noted repeatedly that there are more than 120 americans that are shot and killed every day with hundreds more shot and wounded, those numbers are horrific but you also say that our gun violence crisis is not inevitable. why do you say that? >> that is absolutely right. this is not a natural disaster we know that strong gun lies, strong gun policy will save lives. what we are seeing now, first of, all i will say that people are fed up. people are growing weary of seeing this, but we also know that this is not inevitable we know that the majority of american people want to see stronger gun laws. we know that. we also know that a growing number of americans see this as a public crisis that needs to be addressed, and this tells us something, that elections matter. elections have consequences because it we are seeing now is a result of extremist lawmakers that are beholden to a gun lobby that are getting our laws, it is not just our gunmakers, it is our ports.

so what we are fostered with this, we know that rolling up our sleeves and continuing to push and making sure that we have the leaders that we need, and by the way this administration, you just mentioned the president the top of this, is the strongest gun sense administration that we have seen. and we have dates across the country where we have trifectas, we have politicians that are doing their job. we need to continue to push and make sure that our lawmakers are doing exactly what the american people want which are strengthening our gun laws and keeping our communities safe. >> angela, on july 1st, florida became the 26th state in, our united states to enforce a permit-less concealed carry law, which allows gun owners to carry without a permit, and without any training or experience. nebraska such when asked a similar policy, in just a few months in september, just how dangerous are these promises carry laws? ,. >> this is absolutely but permit-less. we are gonna continue to push back on this.

we are all moms in action volunteers and survivors across our country all 50 states, plus the district of columbia, and every day we are getting out to make sure that we are pushing for the laws that are going to keep our community safe, and also trying to figure out how we're trying to break through this culture of guns in the country, frankly. so while this is really disturbing, i will tell you that there are many examples of us doing this across the country, from minnesota, to maryland, to illinois, to colorado, in the list goes on. we are going to continue to push, and again, elections have consequences. remember this when you go to the ballot box, and the places are gonna vote in are the ones that are going to protect our lives. if they're gonna be vetting gun laws that is not doing what we want, which is keeping our community safe. >> you know, on a personal level, angela, my-year-old daughter is going to come back from summer camp, and she's about to start third grade in a few weeks. her world has been since preschool, reading, writing, arithmetic, and active shooter drills you've said, i learned really early on that we can't

just wait for someone to save us. we have to jump into action so what can we all do to keep all of our kids safe? >> the first thing i would say is hug your kids tight. yes. a lot of us are thinking about going back to school and what that means. and the reality is that while school shootings are something to think about, it is not the majority of the gun violence. we still have to make sure that our communities are safe, our schools are safe, we've to make sure that we are bringing in the people that are going to make a safe, which means our elected officials, that means talking to the administration in school to make sure that we have things like, for instance, we are working with the be smart program across the country to ensure that even gun owners have information that they can securely store their fire arms there are a lot of ways that we can look out and prevent these tragedies from happening, and we're going to continue to educate and work alongside our partners in every state to make sure that we are keeping our communities safe. but hug your kids, you should not be afraid you should be

standing up and saying there is something that we can do about this and we are not gonna stand for inaction anymore. >> for the past five years the halls and classrooms of a particular building at marjory stoneman douglas high school were locked away from public view. this week though, private tours for families of the victims began before a planned demolition of the site. one of the parents apartment victor, alex checked, or tweeted, in order to start mass shootings, elected leaders need to walk the crime scenes of every mass shooting in their community we would have real change if that happens. what is your reaction to that tweet? >> first of, all i want to say that i honor and give so much love and respect to the survivors of gun violence. they get up every single day and turn their pain into purpose. and they are living with the reality of our gun violence crisis every single day, in fact they get up to make sure that not one more person has to go through something like this and not one more country has to be torn apart, i agree that we

need to really look at what is happening to our survivors across the country, look at the fact that the leading cause of death for children in young adults in this country are firearms and these are things that again is not mother nature, this is not insurmountable. these are things that have real solutions that we can actually move forward and make sure that we are keeping our communities safe. so i'm going to continue to work with our moms and inaction across the country are survivors are doing this could work every day. >> angela farrell zero i appreciate you taking the time to be, here as a mom, as an american and as someone who just wants everybody to be able to live safely. i appreciate all the hard work that you in the organization are doing, thank you for being here. >> thank, you katie. >> coming up, pretty fierce. how a former miss texas and the first asian american contestant to win the crown's using her pageant platform to inspire political action in the lone

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of the world of beauty pageants mix with the world of politics? well, if you ask my next guess, that answer is of course. throughout her pageant career, former miss texas, avery bishops, to add strong against gop leaders and their far-right policies in their state. while she may no longer wear a crown, she still has a powerful platform, and bishop continues her push for action on important issues from gun violence to reproductive freedom, to voting in lgbtq+ rights. as the first asian american contestant to win the title in the pageants 85 year history, she has used her platform to center diversity and inclusion. lobbying taxes against a bill that bans dei programs, and while that bill ultimately went on to pass the republican-led

legislature, bishop felt that she was still making progress. as she points out to the washington post, quote, to be seen, that is the first step in making a lot of change. joining me now is former miss texas, avery bishop avery it is an honor and privilege to have you on the show this morning. i chuckled when i read an anecdote that you said in that washington post article about older white texans who would often ask you, are you really missed texas, and then they would also ask you, we are you from? now, as a fellow asian american, i get that a lot, no, but where you really from, not where you from. how did you feel of being missed texas first asian american and 85 years of that patch in history, and having them say, are you really must texas? >> you know, i felt a lot of responsibility when i was crowned the very first. and being the first comes with somewhat of a burden to represent a community that is often overshadowed or

discriminated against, specifically here in texas. so when i won, i had a plan. but i also felt a lot of insecurity knowing that i looked the way that i do, and i had to go into a lot of rural communities. but during year, i was able to accomplish everything i set out to do, if not more. i'm bringing in diversity and inclusion programming, and more than 250 public schools in universities across the lone star state. >> avery, you also have this campaign on your platform that you carry beyond the missed texas rain. y'all means all. so what does that mean? >> y'all means all is an effort, a mission, to make sure that every child and person here in texas feel like they belong, regardless of where they come from. i was born in a really small town, not so small anymore, called mckinney, texas. and i was one of the only physically looking asian american students for almost a decade in my school district. i developed a sense of

insecurity, a sense that i didn't belong anywhere. and i convinced myself that i didn't deserve to try things because i did see myself in places that i wanted to be in and to go to. so, during that time of insecurity, i was able to find my voice to my college and university to make sure that no touch child felt that way that they received equitable resources, especially in public schools such as books, so that they are top the importance of being respectful to other people who don't necessarily look like them. >> in addition to diversity and inclusion issues, you've also been very vocal about abortion and the need for affordable health and reproductive care. now we are seeing more and more restrictions and bans been put into place in red states across america, including texas. you talk about holding politicians and leaders accountable, so what are you doing to fight back? >> i'm a millennial, but slash gen z, so i'm definitely utilizing social media. i have about 1 million followers, averaging about 20

to 30 million views per month. so i take my social platform that i have built through law school, and i create content that doesn't necessarily isolate or attack particular communities. but i start these conversations that are necessary, especially in deep south states such as mine. texas has the most restrictive abortion law that i've seen in a very long time, and to be able to partner with nonprofits like planned parenthood, i've been able to create viral pieces of content that teaches people who use social media where they can get resources for reproductive health, and also to afford it and finance. it also, i'm using social media in a way in a positive manner to me to impact people, and make sure that they know and receive information that they desperately need. >>, avery, i'd like to get some advice from you. i also am fairly active on social media. yes, from you. and as a fellow asian, and as a fellow woman, some of the stuff that i get on social media is

particular vitriolic. it's sexist, it's misogynistic, it's racist. i'm sure during the time that you have been missed texas, before then, and even since then, especially with your presence being as far and wide as it is, how do you process that, or how do you deal with internet bullying, or the type of response as you get from trolls when you are on social media? >> during my time as miss texas, i especially experienced this, many people would comment on a lot of my politically vocal content, saying that you shouldn't be speaking this way, you shouldn't be so loud, you shouldn't be offering your opinions or commentary on abortion or immigration or gun reform. and then they would also attack my physical appearance. they would send me cussed words in my dms, and what i do, certainly, is very disappointing. it doesn't get any better as you grow on social media, but i like to keep what's called miracle moment folder on my phone. and i screenshot all of the good work that i have been doing, all of the good emails that i've received from people

across the world, all the pictures i've taken, all the people i've met in person, who tell me that i've helped change their lives in some shape or form. all the comments i get where women are saying, i'm gonna run for office because you've inspired do that, and i see that on days when i feel like i am not making any change, i go to that folder, and i remind myself that i have impacted at least one person, and that is all that matters. , when you are making ch just being you. i hear that running for office might spin your future. you better let everybody know when you are ready to do that and come back here and let us know so we can highlight it. but every bishop, you are a hero for me, thanks for joining us this morning. >> thanks. >> thanks to all of you for joining me this morning. i will be back here next saturday and sunday 8 am eastern. but remember, you can keep up with us during the week by following at katie phang show on twitter, instagram, and tiktok. stay tuned, the sunday show with my friend, jonathan capehart is coming up next. capehart is coming up next. butbu% more tide in every pod.

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