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indicted candidate? for democrats, can they reinvigorate the coalition that put joe biden in the white house? how are they going to resolve a messy battle over the primary calendar? alas the chair, jaime harrison, about how his party plans to tackle those questions when he joins me, coming up first. plus, more from my recent conversation with two with the democratic party's biggest names. congresswoman, elk alexandria ocasio-cortez discusses that and makes the republican primary. governor gavin newsom explains why he's using his political capital to help democrats and red states. well there's so much that seems to divide us these days, music is one of the few things that brings us together. i join two members of the musical group, they ate it brothers at our weekend 14 >> i know it may seem like the election is pretty far off, but the truth is, the very first votes of the 2024 presidential
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sex durr will be cast just six months from now. this time next year, will be only days away from the first national convention. it feels like the right time to dig into what exactly the democratic party is up to at a national level, and at the state level, as they try to hold on to the white house, keep the senate, win back the house, and fight for control of nearly a dozen governors mansions. while it still feels early, the campaigns are in full swing. you see signs of this every single day. more than a dozen republican hopefuls began to hit the trail, test their message, and make their case to actual voters. just this week, many spent their independence day in the early states of iowa new hampshire, and next month will be fine for the spotlight when they take the stage for the first debate. we'll see who shows up. what we don't see much of, however, and public at least, is the work taking place behind the scenes of the democratic national committee, and a state parties across the country. the dnc is a major force behind democratic candidates up and
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down the ballots, and against campaigns. they communicate -- they serve as a legal backstop should the need for litigation arise after the 2024 election. those efforts are not just focus on the white house, they are also 11 governors mansions up for grabs in 2024. as well as control of the house of representatives, where the gop holds a narrow nine seats majority. then there are 33 races underway for the u.s. senate, which democrats control would just 51 seats. so there is a lot at stake, up and down the ballot. where the dnc invest their money, and spend their time, tells us a lot about what democrats think will work in 2024. there's no easy road ahead. the new york times is that with a new piece this week the touches on the predicament the dnc finds itself in as a faces resistance over its pro primary calendar that states the they border. criticism, which happens every year, before some state party shares which don't feel that they are receiving enough aid
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and assistance as they're fighting for these ticket races. how will the primary calendar get results? what states will democrats prioritize the cycle? how they handle donald trump's indictments an ongoing legal troubles, and what will they do with the looming threat of third party candidates? joining me now is the chairman of the democratic committee. thank you so much for joining me this afternoon. there's a lot to dig in here. we are just 18 months out from the 2024 election, not that far, even closer to the conventions. what is the dnc doing now in swing states like arizona and georgia, democratic under 2020, or perennial swing states like pennsylvania, wisconsin, and princeton, to lay the groundwork that maybe people can't see. ? he >> back in january, i saw the president before his state of the union. we were in philadelphia. i told him, i said, mister president, i know you're doing
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state of the union, let me give you the state at the dnc. we have never been stronger coming out of a midterm, going into a midterm, and going into presidential election, we are only getting stronger. one of the things that we were able to do successfully in the midterm to beat back the red wave was to invest in the infrastructure of the party. you know, normally in midterms, the dnc is not the biggest player in the game, you leave that to the dccc, but we put 100 million dollars on the ground. we didn't do it just a few months before the election. jen, we put it on the ground a year, year and a half. just to give folks contrast, in 2018, the dnc put $30 million. we have the largest voter protection program in the history of the dnc, and much of that infrastructure that we built in those battleground states for the united states senate, and the governor's races, in the house races, that infrastructure is still there, and we are building on it right now. when you asked somebody, like john fetterman, or joe shapiro,
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or cortez masto, about what is the big difference, many of them will tell you that the dnc's early investment is building that infrastructure. it was really the linchpin for them to win their elections. that is to framework by which we go into this presidential election in places like pennsylvania, wisconsin, georgia, arizona, nevada, michigan. i feel really, really good about where we're going, and our effort to make sure that we get joe biden and kamala harris reelected, and that we win races up and down the ballot. >> one of the issues that comes up a lot is this issue of third party candidates on the ballot. we are seeing outside beds, like cornell west, 16 the green party nomination. we're seeing the potential, or rumors that some might decide to run as their party candidates. what is the dnc strategy to counter that threat? that could have an impact on determining the outcome of the election in 2024.
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>> jen, as you know, the states in this election could not be higher. you think about the contrast that we have right now, we have a party that is fighting for freedom, more rights and not less. you see the most extreme republican party that i've ever seen in my lifetime. they are constantly chipping away at the freedoms and rights of all the american people. so this is not the time in order to experiments, this is not the time to play around on the margins. what we see is a lot of folks who want to be relevant, and try to be relevant in these elections, and not looking at the big picture that we are not going to, we have to reelect joe biden, we have to reelect kamala harris. there is no third party candidate that will win this election. that is never happened in the history of this country, and it ain't going to start in 2024. we've got a start to stay focused on the fight that we have a hand. the threat that we see to a market democracy. that is the extremists coming out of the republican party.
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>> you, of course, are a south carolina, from south carolina, proud south carolina and. your home state. as the first primary state, is the first primary states despite ongoing pushback from other states, president biden is visiting south carolina this, week reinforcing, of, course how important it is. it is never, is like the democratic party base, but it is not a swing state. my question for you as, why south carolina? why not georgia in north carolina? all diverse dates representing the base, but more swing states. my south carolina a better choice to be first? >> jen, you know that south carolina has been in the window almost two decades. if you look at the other early states parties, or states in time, you look at iowa, new hampshire, or the beta, south carolina has been the best indicator. the only primary in which south carolina did not choose the eventual nominee of the
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democratic party was when john edwards, and john kerry ran. the only reason for that is that john edwards is at nativist of south carolina. south carolina is the best indicator of who is eventually going to be the nominee of the democratic party. why is that the case? the case because for decades, black voters have been the backbone of the democratic party. what happens in south carolina has a ripple effect. what happens in north carolina, what happens in georgia, what happens in mississippi, alabama. across the country, where the significant african american population, there is a statistic i love to use from the national geographic that says 90% of african americans in this country can trace at least one ancestor from south carolina. why is that? it's because 40% of enslaved people came into this country came through the border of charleston. so it really is the glue for a lot of the african american
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community. it has been the backbone for the democratic party, we have seen democracy, as we saw in the last election. south carolina voters, particularly the black voters, will continue to do that as the first in the nation primaries. >> there is another state where a number of elected officials have not, they've been displaced, i think it's fair to say, about the changes in the primary calendar. that's new hampshire. they said they will vote first anyway, which could set up in a scenario where president biden is not on the ballots, we're rfk junior, he started a campaign blitz in the states, and also spreading conspiracy theories, but seems to have made, at least in some, polls what they're legit or not, some headway among democratic primary voters. two questions here. one is, new hampshire, what, how concerned are you about the impact this could have on november 2024 and that state that democrats need to win in november? hail someone ask you about rfk
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junior, what you do if he ends up winning that states in the primary? >> new hampshire is a very important state, but for 50 years, new hampshire and iowa, iowa new hampshire, have kicked off the presidential primary contests. this is a different party than it was 50 years ago. a much more diverse party than we are. there is no state that it has an ownership for how we kick this off the. one thing i often correct my friends in new hampshire, they love to say that they're the first, that they're actually the second, they've always been the second contest. iowa, the new hampshire. the only thing that is changed this time around, they will still be the second contest. it's south carolina, the new hampshire, and nevada following up. you know, the president is going to still compete in new hampshire in the general election, and we're giving new hampshire as much time as they need in order to figure out their primary process. the bottom line is that, jen,
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south carolina is the official first in the primary state for the dnc going into the 2020 election cycle. >> what about rfk junior? it's new hampshire where he's making a play. he's out there, appearing on a range of right-wing outlets. he's spreading conspiracy theories. the dnc has endorsed joe biden, but he has made some headway, at least in some polls. what are you going to do about rfk junior? >> i think what we're going to do is continue to make sure that the american people, particularly the democrats, understand how joe biden and kamala harris have delivered for them. when i think back on this presidency, and i think back to what president biden has done, in the first two years, with a 50/50 senate on a good day, and less than a five seat majority in the house, the next presidential term that i think about, i think about lbj. i mean, this is been one of the most successful presidencies in
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my lifetime. starting with the american rescue plans, inflation reduction, aptly infrastructure, build to the gym zach, to all of these things that we have done. transforming the judiciary. we put an almost 50 of the hundred judges. african american and african american women. more african american women than any president see, all presidencies combined. i can go on and on about how beneficial this presidency has been to the american people. the reason why we go to the polls and vote for president is to get stuff done. well tell me what president in my lifetime in our lifetime, have gotten more done then joe biden has? >> chairman, jaime harrison, thank you so much for joining me this afternoon. up next, a look at what is going to take to mobilize progressive voters in 2024. i'll ask congressman -- have the latest supreme court rulings could factor into that goal. plus, gavin newsom tells me
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plus ask how to get up to a $750 it's no secret that young prepaid card with qualifying internet. people trying to support progressive causes and they historically vote for democrats. that kept us on the growing wider after last year's midterm elections. here's the numbers to two on. in 2020, a whopping 20% of young people, 18 to 29, voted to. this is 11% increase from 2019. traditionally, they have much lower turnout. that is the highest youth turnout number in the last 30 years. the made huge difference for democrats in swing states. consider that 70% of voters between the ages of 18 and 29 voted for the then senate candidate, john fetterman, and pennsylvania. compare that to 55% of voters
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between the ages of 30 and 40. overall, 63% of young voters voted for house candidates in last year's election. among young voters of color, it's an even bigger margin. 89% of, youth 80% of latino youth voted for democratic candidates, versus 50% of young white voters. there is also been a number of progressive blow's two priorities in the last few weeks. because the supreme court decision solutions to the lungs and affirmative action. are those decisions energizing? are they deflating? where will the blame be placed? for progressives who are not yet energized by the 2024 election, what will it take to get them there? joining me now on is congressman ro khanna of california. he's been a proponent for causes the young people care about. he is a member of the -- he was a co-chair of bernie sanders 2020 campaign. i want to start by getting your
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take on something the new york times announced that how these supreme court rulings off of the republican party way forward. the court's decision could fuel broader outreach to the working class voters who have drifted away for the party because of what they see is it's a lead at some. of course, do you agree with that, but if you do, how do you think democrats can use these rallies to reach out to working class voters? >> jen, the court is moving us backwards. young people in particular are outraged that the court is taking away the relief of student loans. they're moving to a time where college is used to be just for the wealthy and i do think this can energize young people, in particular, are working class voters. they what the president's shooting and bidenomics and saying, i'm delivering what trump promised is probably the most effective message we have. >> you said the president biden should run on term limits for
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the supreme court. something that a number of people have called for, a growing number of people. how can you articulate for me, how does that connect something like that that may sound a little obscure, term limits, to voters and getting them excited about the election, and getting out? >> villagers know that the court is just out of touch with their lives. the court is taking away their rights, taking away women's rights to control their own bodies, taken away students relief in terms of the student loans, the president for gave the loans the supreme court took that money away. they see these justices, the seal the ethical conflicts, enough with that. let's have a clean slate. term limits, by the way, support not just from democrats independents, but also republicans. something the presidential commission has recommended. >> you've called for term limits, former speaker nancy pelosi has called for term limits. as you, said a number of people who aren't even democrats. to have stopped short of calling for court expansion,
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which a lot of progressive groups have been calling for. as you've seen these ethics violations, and all of the rulings recently, have you re-thought that it all? >> i've said everything should be on the table, but i was recently watching the fdr mini series and i saw that even fdr had trouble with that. it's not an easy thing to do. often people see that it is polarizing, or partisan. i think that term limits isn't easy your first step that would reform the, court calling for term limits, and the judicial code of conduct of ethics. you know, even republicans in congress, if we go out and have some bias, lunchables majority of us would have to disclose that, and have all these ethics rules. i'm just flabbergasted that the supreme court doesn't have any of those. >> you are absolutely right. the limits are so low from members of congress, anyone who works in the federal government, in this is just a different set of roles. your fellow congress member, alexandria ocasio-cortez has
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called for chief justice john roberts to be subpoenaed by congress. would you support that? >> well i would support hearings. i think that the chief justice should testify. you know, look, i've met the chief justice. i met him a couple years ago. he said that he cared about the legitimacy of the court, the legitimacy of democracy. if he cares about the legitimacy of democracy, he should come testify. in the past time, supreme court justices would meet with members of congress in the senate. he used to be comment. part of the whole problem here, jen, is they are so cloistered. there's so out of touch. they don't have a sense of what life is like. my plea to him would be for the good of democracy, come testify. what are you afraid of? >> if he doesn't, would you support issuing a subpoena to get him to testify? >> i would defer to what the senate committee, which has that -- decides. i would to four to senator schumer on that. >> let's talk about student loans, you've been outspoken on this for a long time. in the wake of the supreme
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court decision, the administration announced some steps, including repayment plans tied to income. they didn't announce a pause, or an extension of the pause. do you think the plan that they've announced is enough? or would you like to see them do more? >> it's a good first step. they could do more, and they should do more. i mean, look, i have student loans growing. up i was fortunate to be able to pay them back, over 100,000. i don't think they should be for giving lots for people like me who have done well. we're talking about folks who are largely from working class and middle class families under the higher education act, they should at least stop the interest payments. people who are promised this relief should not be having their interest accrual come september until these loans are given. they should extend the pause. under the higher education act, even with the debt relief deal, they're able to have a new pause. i think that would show students around this country, young voters, that we're really fighting for them. >> as you look to 2024, and as
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somebody who's been very outspoken on a number of progressive issues and causes, what is your biggest concern looking ahead to 2024? is there a message that you would like to hear more from democrats, or even the president, to get people excited about the election? >> to concerns. one, let's not take young voters for granted. they're never going to vote for donald trump or desantis. we need them as energized as they were in 2020, getting votes out to vote. the issues they care most about our climate, the willow glen drilling was in the state, the mountain party pipeline, but we did have the inflation reduction act. we need to do for more on climate. we have to fight for student loans, and student loan relief, so they know they were actually trying to improve their lives. the second thing is what the president did in chicago with biden objects. when trump won around this country saying communities have been left out, people were robbed. you know, what they were wrong. we had massive deindustrialization in this
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country. i was just in johnstown, some of those places haven't come back. the president needs to say that he's the one after 40 years whose riding the ship, who's bringing manufacturing back, who standing up for the working class. trump may have expressed grievances, but he's delivering. i think those two messages combined will give him a decisive victory in 2024. >> congressman, thank you so much for your time today. next, i take a walk with one of the most prominent progressive voices, congresswoman, alexandria ocasio-cortez. she weighs in on what's at play in the 2024 residential race. she also shares what people get wrong about her. governor newsom reflects in his 20 years in politics as an elected official. he'll explain why fox news, yes, fox news, is a big part of his daily routine. daily routine. ts is different than other money managers. (other money manager) different how? aren't we all just looking for the hottest stocks? (fisher investments) nope. we use diversified strategies to position our client's portfolios for their long-term goals. (other money manager) but you still sell investments
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sworn into office in january 2019. at the time, she was the youngest woman, and the youngest latina to ever serve in congress. and her years on the hill, she's become a progressive voice that people look to for guidance and reaction when things unfold both in the capital and across the country. i've got to chatting with her recently but how she's made accountability a key part of her mission as an elected official. here's a part of the conversation. >> so you're in the minority of congress for the first time since we were elected. it seems like you're kind of having fun beat a bit of an agitator. are you enjoying that role? >> i think whole day in those empower accountable is the fundamental part of our role. it's a part of a role that are drawn from my history and advocacy in organization activism. it's also one that we can propose solutions while we're also hold people accountable for the decisions that they're making.
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yeah, i think it's been an important role for us to play. >> you're also pretty politically astute observer. there is the presidential race happening right now. donald trump, people, thank some say, is the easiest person for joe biden to run against. what do you think about that? >> well, -- >> the easiest potential republican nominee i should say. >> i think there's something to be said about that. the dynamics of these change from day today. i think that governor desantis has made some very large, critical errors. i think he's a week or -- >> what are some of his errors, as you've watched. >> you can't out-trump trump, that's what he's trying to do. his attacks on teachers, on schools, on lgbt americans. it goes way very far in the state of florida. i think that they are a
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profound political miscalculation, and then overcompensation. he may be trying to win the base, but that base belongs to donald trump. he has sacrificed, i think, the one thing that others may have thought would make him competitive, which is this idea that he can somehow be more rational than donald, trump which he isn't. >> you're very familiar with surprising people and when a primary, is there anyone in the republican field is who we disagree with completely on policy issues, but you think, maybe they have something, or they can take on trump. it is early in the process. >> you know, i think in the house, i've seen the dynamics, and the political dynamics in the house very often mirrors the dynamics happening out in the country. i think right now, the republican party is so disoriented that i really don't see someone that can unite that party, even beyond donald trump. so to be honest, i don't,
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because the individuals that have wanted to appeal to peoples cooler senses in the party have all been driven out. every republican voted for impeachment has been -- >> is no longer there. so i really struggle to find anybody that can accomplish that task, and unite the party. >> you develop this reputation, i don't know if you like this or, not as a firebrand, what do people get wrong about you? or not know about you? >> i think that very often when i meet with colleagues, or individuals that i have not met with before, they are surprised that i do my homework a lot. i know that in my first hearing -- >> people don't know this? >> no i think, yeah, it's like when i have my first theory
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with michael cohen, people were surprised that i tried to ask substantive questions. i think that there is this idea that you somehow can't both be an effective communicator and discuss, and challenge, the political imagination on substantive grounds. i think we can do both. i think we should do both. >> i know you're not going to talk about 10 to 15 years from now. i'm not sure what i'm doing 10 to 15 years from now, but in five, years are you going to be in congress? >> i mean, we, may be. i think i've always tried to approach my surface and away of what really will be best for people. it fit would be best for me to continue my service, then i will. if it's best for me to continue my service in a different form, then i hope to do that as well. so if you were not in congress,
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is your passionate about a lot of things, what would you be doing? >> i think, i mean, before i ever really thought about being in congress have always been passionate about teaching and writing. maybe i would've been a teacher. >> the thank you to congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez for spending some time with me. more of my conversation with the congresswoman can be found at msnbc.com. next, governor newton shares advice he would give interim self before he was ever elected to office. i ask him about his texas counterpart, governor greg abbott. later, i got an opportunity to help but a tour bus to chat with members of the two members of the avett brothers. they weigh in on the political issues are most passionate about. we're back, after this.
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governor gavin newsom has been a key player in california politics for about two decades now. before he was elected as governor, he served as lieutenant governor. before, that he was the mayor of san francisco. there's been some long running speculation about his potential to be a democratic presidential candidate one day. he's recently gained more national attention for how he's pushed back against right wing policies. he even launched a new political action committee to target red states. just last, week the governor was a boise, idaho, where he, according to politico, works rooms like the democratic candidate without a national office. i recently got some insight into his ongoing red state tour when i spent the day with governor newsom in alabama. he only quickly shot down the assumption that he could possibly be a presidential contender 2024, he had a whole lot of other interesting things to say. particularly about how he's helping his pack and help challenge leaders some gop states. here's more of our conversation. >> so you are rolling up their
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sleeves, literally. you're putting money in. now, the democratic party is a huge umbrella, right? you have strong views on abortion rights, long gun safety, often lgbtq rights, and a range of other issues. when you're looking for a range of other to -- support, are that certain positions they need to have more notable you to provide that. >> something that i think matters a, lot of looking for people with character. organizations that practice empathy, care, compassion. i'm not looking for a litmus test. i couldn't be. i'm on the right side of that with my party. i'm not asking for forgiveness for off my life with the democratic party. it was too much, too soon, too fast. >> sometimes hats how's approach was funding. >> i disagree with that. there's many parts to one body. the idea to have one litmus test. that's not the lived reality. it's not an academic exercise,
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you're not running the simulation, it's reality. >> there's a great democratic candidate here, or more, who is a democrat with you on health care, on lgbtq rights, but maybe wasn't there on guns. that's okay. >> i get. it absolutely. so should everyone watch shane. i mean, we're getting that full of ourselves that we have to have everybody aligned to our unique perspective? i mean everyone has a different set of eyes, the different experiences, different backgrounds. different conditions that to find the terms of engagement. there are some universal values that to find the party. i think that's what we're really looking at, building the party, building the institutions. i think more than fall in love with the candidates's bill dane organizational muscle memory. >> over 20 years, looking back, was the one piece of advice you would've given to yourself before you were ever an elected office? >> before i wasn't elected office? >> above politics. >> foundationally, two things. seek to understand before you
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understood. there's humility in that. at the same time, back to this notion of conviction and intentionality. have a your authentic self. learn from, don't follow others. i have spent so much of my early career trying to be like somebody else and -- >> trying to be like a hero. >> trying to be like my hero, my mentor. i think we all fall into that trap it's a wonderful thing. learning from, not following others, allows you to express yourself with your own unique circumstances and backgrounds. at the end of the day, i think the one thing that universal here is to just be authentic. seriously, why are you here? >> people can see through it. >> they can feel it. they feel in authenticity. i think all of us are prone to having people think that we're inauthentic, we're in the business, were so quick to dismiss. >> as you reflect on what you've learned here from talking to these legislators, are there different ways you are going to talk about issues
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like gun violence and the need for gun safety measures, or abortion rights. is there are messaging in language issue, or is it more you say the same things that everyone, and there's more people with you than you think? >> one thing i learned from everyone, including the caucus today, is there so upset about the defensive. there's so upset about the messaging on the other side, the anger in the street, the entertainment wing of the republican party that surrounds on fox with all these, i don't even like saying is a, tucker carlson. or the other, the guy, there's just, they're all the same. one american, news newsmax, and what they're doing to divide this country. where aleutian rules, not facts. >> do you occasionally turn on fox to see what happens? >> not occasionally. every night. >> every night? do you think democrats should still be appearing on fox, or should they not be in a period? >> it contributes to the mental health crisis in the state, so on the basis of one's own
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personal conditions i would not recommend it. my staff is quite literally tridentate me about a. they say i'm too obsessed with that. i need to understand it -- >> you want to know the other side thanks. >> i don't want to know what they think, i want to see the patterns. when you see the patterns that emerge. >> so texas, governor abbott, you've had some sort of about how. i saw that on your agenda. >> criminalizing doctors, and on the name of freedom, one of the worst crime murder rates in america, one of the worst mental health records of any governor in america. i'm not so convinced about the merits of his leadership but, again, i been here, are bewildered how come the democratic party, or republicans, they stopped ten dependent states, god forbid, dependent, states are red states, the life expectancy in the south, and they're not expanding medicaid, prenatal care, and providing childcare. that's jaw-dropping, on how they'll continue to get reelected is beyond me. and you care about life.
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when you look at life expectancy, you care about life, and you have kids that are gunned down by weapons of war. spare me. all in the name of freedom, as your banning books. with all due respect, we should not be on the defensive as a democratic party. the republican party should be on their heels, not us. >> governor newsom is one of a number of democratic governors that a lot of people will be watching over the coming years. coming, up to members of david brothers explain how they navigate political differences in commonalities while on tour, and a part of their four-day life on their weekend routine.
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despite her many differences, that draw people together. like music. for over 20 years, the avett brothers have toward across the country, bringing there you merrick in some just to a crowd of multigenerational fence. lately i had the chance to speak with the band members during their recent stop at wolf trap national park for performing arts. we talked during, live in the commonalities in america they see from onstage. >> ♪ ♪ ♪ >> hey, what's up? >> great to see you, great to see you. thanks so much for meeting up with me before your show. >> i have to do. it >> can we check out your bus? >> come on in. >> let's see the magic happen here. it does smell amazing. >> i've done this enough times
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that i can eyeball it. now takes a commitment to make coffee this way. that's why most people, gianna takes a long time. >> you spent a fair amount of time on this bus, or buses like it. does it begin to feel like home? >> this is. home >> more home sometimes than home does. that's the sad part. >> touring exposes you to such a broad swath of people across the country. what have you observed over these years about the commonalities in america as you've been touring? >> i mean just the visual aspect to being onstage, and looking out, right? that something is not many people experience. i think we're very fortunate to be able to be up there, the seven of us, looking at the crowd of people, and seen everyone smiling. no one's out there like fighting, you know? you see this thing where music is this unifying force. >> in 2012, i remember looking out, you could see the crowds of good ways. and the first three rows, 2012,
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there was a guy wearing the obama hope shirt. then maybe in front of joe, where joe was standing, there is a guy worried the don't tread on me, or the -- flag that then represented the tea party. i live in a very rural, split community. the person who says, hey, man, you dropped your wallet, or the guy who you hold the door for, or the person who you're dealing with on the daily. people in your community. people who your kids friends at school, their teachers, the people who you deal with on a daily basis, it doesn't feel polarized. it feels like community. i think what happens is when we go to our phones we go to the television, you know, that social media. >> it takes you into a different world. >> yeah. >> it radicalize us. and different ways. >> are there issues with the politics aside, that you care about as human beings. that you watch. that you worry about progress
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being made, or not be made? >> i think each of us, every citizen is a special interest group of one. so, look, the crawford house, what's important to us? health care is important, obviously. schools, right? public schools, education, public schools are bigger issue. now it's guns. our children safety. i think the super issue for me now is democracy. if we don't have a stable democracy, we have nothing. we can't do anything. >> what about you? >> unchecked gun violence. equal rights, voting rights. mental. >> since you both mentioned gun violence, i'm not going to ask you to analyze the politics up, it buckle truly, why do you think there's such a disconnect on this issue? why do you think it's such a dividing line? >> we're all brands. won social media. our brands can be mistaken as
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our identity. i think that to guns, for some people, and i want to try to really lightly here, i think guns have become a brand. not that -- >> like of pride, a cultural pride. >> it's not the gun. it's the, this is mine. this is mine. it's not just guns, right? you can take many things that people will say. this is mine. you're not taking this from me, and i think that when we had these moments when technology is changing, and the is changing. people gets confused, and they cling to things. it's just something that we're going to have to work through in the country. >> i think it's something we're missing in the conversation, and the greater conversation of social media, is nuance, right? it's all become this, i'm on the scene, they're on this team. we're just going to fight in the middle, and go back to our team, regardless of who. >> joe is right. people who don't say nuance, or
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maybe people don't want to see nuance. they just don't want to. >> they want to be on the team. >> nuances everything. context is everything. >> my thanks to joe quanah bob crawford, in the entire event brothers team for showing me around a tour bus, and reminded me of the power music cast unitas all. we're back after this quick break. quic break. who can i talk to? can this be treated? stop typing. start talking to a specialized urologist. because it could be peyronie's disease, or pd. it's a medical condition where there is a curve in the erection, caused by a formation of scar tissue. and an estimated 1 in 10 men may have it. but pd can be treated even without surgery. say goodbye to searching online. find a specialized urologist who can diagnose pd and build a treatment plan with you. visit makeapdplan.com today.
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