tv Inside With Jen Psaki MSNBC July 9, 2023 4:00pm-5:01pm PDT
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>> because there is -- we have to stay focused on the fight we have ahead and the threat we see in american democracy. that is the extremists coming out of the republican party. >> you, of course, are a south carolina -- ura south carolinian. that is your home state. and the first primary, it's supposed to be the first primary
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despite ongoing pushback from other states. president biden is visiting south carolina, revisiting how important it is. it is not a swing state. my question for you is, why south carolina? why not georgia or north carolina? there are more swing states. why south carolina? >> well, you know south carolina has been in the running now for almost 2 decades. and if you look at the other early state party or state during that time, you look at iowa, new hampshire, nevada, south carolina has been the best indicator. i think the only primary in which south carolina did not choose the eventual nominee of the democratic party was when john edwards and john kerry ran. the only reason for that is john edwards was the native of south carolina. but south carolina has been the best indicator of who is
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eventually going to be the nominee of the democratic party. why is that the case? it is the case because democrats -- black voters have been the backbone of the democratic party. what happens in south carolina has a ripple effect. what happens in georgia, mississippi, alabama, and across the country where there is a significant african- american population, there is a statistic i love to use from national geographic that says 90% of african-americans in this country can trace at least one ancestor from south carolina. why is that? it's because 40% of enslaved people came through the port of charleston. it really is the glue for a lot of the african-american community. it has been the backbone of the democratic party. we have saved democracy as we saw in the last election, and south carolinian voters will continue to do that at the
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first in the nation primary. >> there is another state where a number of elected officials have not been displeased, i think it is safe to say, and that is new hampshire. they have said they will vote first anyway which could set up a scenario where president biden is not on the ballot and a candidate like rfk junior who started to campaign in the state also spread conspiracy theories that seem to have made at least in some polls, whether they are legit or not, some headway among democratic primary voters. so two questions, one is new hampshire. how concerned are you about the impact this could have on november of 2024? and the state immigrants need to win, and they also want to ask you about rfk junior and what you do if he says winning that state in the primary? >> new hampshire is a very important state. for 50 years, new hampshire and
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iowa, iowa and new hampshire kicked off the presidential primaries. at the democratic party is a different party than it was 50 years ago. it's a much more diverse party than we are. most states have ownership or how we kick this off. one thing, i correct my friends in new hampshire. they love to say they are the first. they are actually the second. they have always been the second. iowa and new hampshire. the only thing that changed this time around, they will still be the second. it is south carolina, new hampshire and nevada following up. you know, the president is going to still compete in new hampshire in the general election. and we have given new hampshire as much time as they need in order to figure out the primary process. at the bottom line is this. south carolina is the official first in the primary state for the dnc going to the 2024 election cycle. >> what about rfk junior? new hampshire, he is making a
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play. he is out there appearing on a range of right-wing outlets. he has made some headway at least in some polls. what are you going to do about rfk junior? >> i think what we are going to do is we will make sure the american people, particularly democrats understand joe biden and kamala harris will deliver for them. when i think about the presidency and i think about what president biden has done in the first two years with the 50-50 senate on a good day and less than a five seat majority in the house, the next presidential term i think about, i think about lbj. this has been one of the most successful presidencies in my lifetime starting with the american rescue plan, the inflation reduction act, the chips act, all these things we have done transforming the judiciary. we put in almost 50 of 100
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judges, african-american, african-american women, more african-american women on the appellate court then all presidencies combined. i can go on and on and talk about how beneficial the presidency has been to the american people. the reason why we go to the polls to vote for the president is to get stuff done. tell me what president in my lifetime, in our lifetime has gotten more done with almost less than joe biden has. >> dnc chairman jamie harrison, thank you for joining me this afternoon. up next, a look at what it will take to mobilize progressive voters in 2024. i will ask the congressman how the supreme court ruling could factor into that goal. plus, gavin newsom tells me about he tries to help democrats in republican-led states. epublican-led
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it's no secret that young people tend to support progressive causes. they historically vote for democrats. the cause has only grown wider after last year's election. here are numbers to chew on. in 2020, a whopping 50% of young people ages 18 to 29 turned out to vote. that was an 11 point increase from 2016. even in 2022, 27% of voters under the age of 30 cast a ballot during the midterm election which traditionally has much lower turnout. that is the highest youth turnout number in the last 30 years. that made a huge difference for democrats in swing states. consider 70% of voters between 18 to 29 voted for john fetterman in pennsylvania. compare that to 55% of voters between the ages of 30 and 40.
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overall, 63% of young voters vote for democratic house candidates in last year's election. among voters of color, it's an even bigger margin. 89%, 68% of latino youths voted for democratic house candidates compared to 58% of young white voters. there have also been a number of crushing blows to progressive priorities in the last few weeks. because of the supreme court decision on student loans and affirmative action, so are those energizing? are they deflating? where will the blame be placed? aggressive's who are not yet energized by the 2024 election, what will it take to get them there? joining me now is the congressman of california. you have been a big champion for causes that young people care about. he is a member of the congressional congress in the house. he is a cochair of bernie sanders and the 2020 campaign. i want to start by getting your take on something an analyst piece said about how they offer democrats a potential way forward. the court's decision could give
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broader outreach to the working- class voters who have drifted away from the party because of what they see as elitism. of course, you can agree with that. if you do, how do you think democrats could use the rulings to reach out towards working- class voters? >> well, the court is moving us backwards. young people in particular are outraged that the court is taking away the relief of student loans. they are moving to a time where colleges use to be for the wealthy and largely white. this could energize young people in particular. on working-class voters, i think he is saying, i am delivering what trump promised. that is the most effective message we have. >> you have said that president biden should run on term limits for the supreme court, something a growing number of people have called for. can you articulate for me something like that that might sound a little bit obscure,
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term limits, to voters and getting them excited about the vote getting out? >> the court is out of touch with their lives. the court is taking away their rights, taking away women's rights to control their own body, taking away students relief in terms of student loans, the president gave them. the supreme court took money away. they cds as injustices. they see the ethical conflicts. they are saying enough with it. term limits, by the way, has support not just from democrats and independents, but it is something his own commission recommended. >> you've called for term limits. former speaker nancy pelosi has called for term limits. a number of people are leaning with democrats. you've stopped short of calling for court expansion which many have called for. we are seeing ethics violations and all the rulings recently. have you rethought that at all?
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>> i said everything should be on the table. i was recently watching the fdr miniseries. i thought even fdr had trouble with it. it's not an easy thing to do. people see it is polarizing or partisan. and i guess term limits is an easier first step. a general code of conduct of ethics -- you know, even republicans in congress, if we have someone buy us lunch, the vast majority of us would have to disclose it. there are ethics rules. i'm flabbergasted the supreme court does not have any of those. >> you are absolutely right. the limits are so low for any member of congress. it is just a different set of rules. so congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez has called for justice john roberts to be subpoenaed by congress. would you support that? >> i would support hearings. i think the chief justice should
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testify. i met the chief justice. i met him a couple years ago. he said he cared about the legitimacy of the court, the legitimacy of democracy. if he cares about the legitimacy of democracy, he should testify. supreme court justices would meet members of congress from the senate to be common. part of this is they are so cloistered. they are so out of touch. they don't have a sense of what life is like. my plea to him would be, come testify. what are you afraid of? >> if he doesn't, would you support a subpoena? >> i would defer to what the senate committee, which has -- what they decide. >> let's talk about student loans. you have barry -- and very outspoken. in the wake of the decision, they announced steps including attainment plans tied to income. they didn't announce a pause or an extension of the pause. do you think the plan they announced is enough?
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would you like them to do more? >> it's a good first step. but they can do more and they should do more. look, i had student loans growing up. i was working to be able to pay them back, over 100,000. i don't think they should approve loans for people like me who do well. we are talking about working- class and middle-class families under the higher education act. stop the interest payments. people were promised relief. they shouldn't be having interest accrue come september until loans are forgiven. they should extend the pause and under the higher education act, even with debt relief they are able to have a pause. i would show students around the country, young voters who are fighting for that. >> as you look to 2024, you have been very outspoken on the number of progressive issues in congress. what is your biggest concern looking ahead to 2024?
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is there a message you would like to hear more from democrats or the president to get people excited about the election? >> 2 concerns . one, let's not take young voters for granted. they will never vote for donald trump or desantis. we need them as energized as they were in 2020. and the issues they care most about our climate, and the drilling was an mistake in my view, but we had the inflation reduction act, we have to do more on climate and fight more for student loans and student loan relief so they know we are actually trying to improve their lives. the second thing i would say, is what the president did in chicago was bidenomics. it was -- some of those places haven't come back. the president needs to say he is the one after 40 years who is bringing manufacturing back,
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who is standing up for the working-class. trump may have expressed grievances, but he is delivering. i think those messages combined will give him a decisive victory in 2024. >> congressman, thank you for your time today. next, i take a walk with one of the most prominent progressive voices, congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez, she is leading in 2024 in the presidential race. here's what people get wrong about her. plus, gavin newsom reflect on his 20 year in politics as an elected official. he will explain why fox news is a big part of his daily routine. ♪nothing is everything♪ i'm celebrating my clearer skin... my way. with skyrizi, 3 out of 4 people achieved 90% clearer skin at 4 months. in another study, most people had 90% clearer skin, even at 5 years. and skyrizi is just 4 doses a year, after 2 starter doses.
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youngest woman and the youngest latino to serve in congress. she became a progressive voice people looked to for guidance and reaction both in the capital building and across the country. i got to chat with her recently about how she made accountability a key part of her mission as an elected official. here is a part of the conversation. >> so you are in the minority in congress for the first time since you were elected. it seems like you are having fun being a bit of an agitator. are you enjoying the role? >> i think holding in, holding those in power accountable is a fundamental part of our role. it is part of a role that i draw on from my history in advocacy and organizing. it is also where we can put solutions while holding people accountable. so yeah. i think it's been an important role for us to play. >> you are an astute observer. there is a presidential race happening right now. donald trump people think, some
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people say, is the easiest person for joe biden to run against. what do you think about that? >> he's a potential republican nominee. >> i think there's something to be said about that. the dynamics of these races change day today. i think governor desantis has made some very large critical errors. i think he is weaker -- >> what are the errors? >> you can't out trump trump. right? that is what he is trying to do. his attacks on teachers, on schools, on lgbt americans, i think they go way too far in florida. and i think they are a profound political miscalculation and overcompensation. he may be trying to win a base. but that base is dedicated to donald trump.
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he has sacrificed i think one thing others may have thought would make him competitive, which is his idea he is somehow more rational than donald trump, which he isn't. >> you are very familiar with surprising people and winning a primary. is there anyone who you would disagree with legally -- completely on politics issues? but you think it is early? >> you know, i think in the house i see the dynamic and the political dynamics in the house are near the political dynamics happening out in the country. and i think right now the republican party is moving forward, but i don't think i see someone who can unite that party even beyond donald trump. and so to be honest, i don't. because the individuals that have wanted to appeal to different senses in the party
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have all been driven out. i know every republican who voted for impeachment is no longer there. and so i really struggle to find anybody that can both accomplish that task and unite our party. >> you have developed -- i don't know if you like this are not -- a firebrand. what do people get wrong about you or not know about you? >> i think very often when i meet with colleagues or individuals i have not met with before, they are surprised i do my homework a lot. i know in my head -- >> are you -- >> a little. no. i think, yeah. it's like when i had my first hearing with michael cohen. people were surprised i tried to ask him a certain question. but i think there is this idea you somehow can't both be an effective communicator and discuss and challenge the
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balance of political imagination at a substantive level. i think we can do both. >> i know you're not going to talk about 10 to 15 years from now. i don't know what i'm doing 10 to 15 years from now. but in five years, will you be in congress? >> i mean, maybe. you know? i have always tried to approach my service in a way -- what i really think would be best for people, and it would be best for me to continue my service. then i will. if it's best for me to continue my service in a different form, then i hope to do that as well. >> like in the senate? so, if you were not in congress, you could do a lot of things. what would you be doing? >> i think, i mean, before i
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ever even thought about being in congress, i have always been passionate about teaching and writing. maybe i would start there. >> thank you to congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez for spending some time with me. more of my conversation with the congresswoman can be found on msnbc.com. next, gavin newsom shares the advice he would have given himself before being elected to office. i will ask about his texas counterpart governor greg abbott. and later, i got to chat with two members of a band recently. they will weigh in on which political issues they are most passionate about. we are back after this. hi, i am richard lewis. president biden kicks off a trip to europe. he meets with prince charles tomorrow then he had heads to lithuania. we will dominate those discussions. and, a murder suspect is part
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of a manhunt in pennsylvania. the suspect is michael baran. he is at-large since breaking out of jail on thursday. people want to call 911 and stay away. more inside with jen psaki right after this. vors from the world's finest ingredients. and now, from jars to bars. new talenti gelato and sorbetto mini bars. ♪♪ lila: before i was diagnosed, there was nothing really to worry about. and then when i was diagnosed, there was just such a big weight put on my shoulders. every night, i felt like maybe i won't wake up tomorrow.
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candidate without a national office. i recently got some insight into his ongoing tour when i spent the day with governor newsom in alabama. and while he shot down the idea of being a presidential contender, he had a lot of other interesting things to say particularly how he is hoping his past can challenge others. here is our conversation. >> reporter: you are rolling up your sleeves, literally. you are putting money in. the democratic party has a huge umbrella, right? you have strong views on abortion rights, on gun safety, on lgbtq plus rights and a range of other issues. when you are looking for candidates to support, are there certain bars, certain positions to have in order to -- >> it's the fundamental universal things that matter a lot. again, i'm looking for people with character. organizations that practice
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empathy, care and compassion. i am not looking for lip service. i am on the right side with my party. i have asked for forgiveness half my life from the democratic party because it's too soon, too fast. >> sometimes, that's how it's approached. >> this idea we have to have a pure litmus test, that's not the pure reality. we are not running a simulation. it's the reality -- >> there is a great democratic candidate here or more who was a democrat with you on healthcare, on lgbtq rights, maybe it wasn't quite there on guns. that's okay. >> yeah, i mean, absolutely. everyone watching, you know, are we that full of ourselves that we have to have everyone aligned to our perspective? everybody has a different set of eyes, experiences, backgrounds and conditions that defined the terms of engagement. there are universal values inside the party. i think that's what we are looking at, building the party
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and building institutions. i think we are more falling in love with a candidate, building organizational muscle memory. >> over 20 years, looking back, what is the one piece of advice you would've given yourself before going to elected office? >> before? foundational he, two things. one thing you need to understand before you are understood. at the same time, back to this notion of intentionality. have it. be your authentic self. don't learn from followers. i have spent time trying to be like somebody else -- >> like a hero or -- >> yeah, my hero, my mentor, i think that is a trap. it's a wonderful thing. learning from, not following others allows you to express your self with your own unique circumstances and backgrounds. at the end of the day, people are like, be authentic.
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seriously, why are you here? >> people can see through it. >> they don't see it. they feel it. they feel the lack of authenticity. all of us are prone to having people think we are inauthentic within the business where we are so quick to dismiss. >> as you reflect on what you have learned from these legislators, are there different ways you are going to talk about issues like gun violence and the need for gun safety measures or abortion rights? is there a messaging and language issue? you say the same thing to everybody and there's more people with you than you think. >> the one thing i heard from everybody including the caucus today, is they are upset about the message on the other side, the anger, the entertainment, the republican party. on fox news, i don't even like to say his name -- tucker carlson or the other guy -- they are all the same. one american news, newsmax, what they do, they provide
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illusion, not facts -- >> do you occasionally turn on fox to see what happens? >> not occasionally. every night. >> every night? do you think democrats should still be appearing on fox? should they not be appearing? >> they contribute to the mental health crisis in this state. so on that basis, those conditions, i would not recommend it. my staff is quite literally trying to have interventions with me about it. they say have been too obsessed with it. i need to understand it. >> i want to know -- when you see patterns that emerge -- >> so texas, governor abbott, you've had words about him. is that on your agenda? >> i don't know. criminalizing doctors, and the worst murder rates in america, the worst mental health records of any governor in america, i'm not so convinced about the merits of his leadership. again, i am sitting here bewildered. how can republican states --
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red states -- have a life expectancy in the south and they are not expanding prenatal care and providing childcare? it's jaw-dropping how they continue to get reelected. it's beyond me. mortality, you care about life, life expectancy, you care about life? your kids are getting gunned down by weapons of war? spare me. you are banning books. so again, with all due respect, we should not be on the defensive in the democratic party. the republican party should be on their heels, not us. >> governor newsom is one of a number of democratic governors that a lot of people will be watching over the coming years. coming up, two members of the avis brothers talk about political differences and commonalities on tour and parts of their every day life in their weekend routine.
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with lots of people and a lot of different points of view. those differences especially now can feel incredibly polarizing. there is still something despite her many differences that draw people together like music. over 20 years, this band has toured across the country bringing their uniquely american sound to a large, dedicated and multigenerational fan base. recently, i had a chance to talk to 2 of the members during their recent stop for their tour. we talked about life on stage. ♪ >> well, hey. >> great to see you. >> you, too. thank you for meeting up with me before your show. >> we are happy to do it. >> can we check out your bus? >> come on in. >> let's see the magic happen here.
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>> yeah. >> i have done this enough times -- it takes a commitment to make coffee this way. that's why most people don't. >> so you spend a fair amount of time on this bus. it seems like it. does it begin to feel like home? >> this is more home than home is. that's the sad part. >> touring exposes you to a broad area of people. what have you observed over the years about the commonalities in america as you have been touring? >> i mean, just the visual aspect of being on stage and looking out. right? that is something many people don't get to experience. we are fortunate to be up there, the seven of us, looking into a crowd of people and seeing everyone smiling. no one is out there fighting. you know? we see this thing where music is the defining force. in 2012, i remember looking out. you could see the crowd a good ways.
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the first three rows, 2012, there was a guy wearing the obama hope shirt, and maybe in front of joe, there is a guy wearing the don't tread on me with the flag that represented the tea party. you know? i live in a urban rural split community. and the person who says, hey, man, you dropped your wallet or the person who you hold the door for or the person you are dealing with -- the people in your community, your kids, friends, school, teachers, the people you deal with on a daily basis, it doesn't feel polarized. it feels like community. i think what happens is, we go to our phones or we go to the television, you know, that social media, that takes you to a different world. >> yeah. >> are there issues? put the politics aside.
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what do you care about as human beings? what do you watch and worry about? progress being made or not being made? >> all right. i feel it each of us, every citizen is a group of 1. and so, look, crawford house was important to us. healthcare is important, obviously, schools, right? public-school, education, public schools are a big issue. but now, it is guns. our children's safety, and i think the superseding issue for me personally is democracy. if we don't have a stable democracy, we have nothing. we can't do anything. >> what about you? >> unchecked gun violence. equal rights, voting rights and mental health. >> since you both mentioned gun violence, i will not have you analyze it. culturally, why do
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you think there is such a disconnect on this issue? why do you think there is a dividing line? >> we are all brands on social media. our brand can be mistaken as our identity. i think guns for some people, and i want to tread lightly here, but i think -- >> like pride? >> it's not the guns. it is, this is mine. this is mine. it's not just guns. right? you can take many people, you are taking this from me. i think we just hit these moments where technology is changing. the world is changing. and people get confused. they cling to things. it is just something we are going to have to work through in the country, something we are missing in the conversation, in the greater conversation of social media and nuance. right? it has become this, i am on this team. they are on this team.
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we are going to fight in the middle and go back to our team regardless of who wins or loses. >> joe is right. people don't see nuance. maybe people don't want to see nuance. they don't want to. they want to be on a team. nuance is everything. context is everything. >> my thanks to joe and bob and the entire team for showing me around their tour bus and reminding me the power music has to unite us all. we are back after a quick break. rt phones free! free your phone now at t-mobile! [music playing] subject 1: cancer is a long journey. it's overwhelming, but you just have to put your mind to it and fight. subject 2: it doesn't feel good because you can't play outside with other children. subject 3: as a parent, it is your job to protect your family. but here is something that i cannot do. i cannot fix this. i don't know if my daughter is going to be able to walk.
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