tonight -- >> look, you know donald trump. is it possible trump was showing

classified documents to people in private meetings? >> the short answer is yes. i watched him show documents to people at mar-a-lago on the dining room patio. he has no respect for classified information, never did. >> former staff like stephanie grisham say he did it. trump himself is heard on tape bragging about it. now the former cia director is speaking out about the danger trump posed to national security. also, we're learning more able rich billionaires that justice clarence thomas has been palling around with. what he received from them and what he reportedly gave in return. george santos is comparing himself to rosa parks. the republican in charge of oklahoma schools says the tulsa race massacre wasn't about race at all.

i wish i were making that up. we begin with a twice indicted ex president who poses a national security risk unlike any this country has ever faced. don't just take it from me. here's a warning from michael hayden, the former director of the cia and national security agency who served under presidents bill clinton, george w. bush and barack obama. >> the president is supposed to keep our secrets secure, not show our secrets off. he had many top secret documents at mar-a-lago for more than a year. you don't know who saw them. we have to assume those documents were compromised. trump must face consequences for his actions. >> the former cia director suffers from effasia due to a

stroke, but he chose to speak out anyway. he isn't the only four-star general speaking out against trump. "the new york times" reports that john kelly who served as trump's white house chief of staff said in a sworn statement that, when he was in the white house, trump discussed having the irs and other federal agencies investigate his perceived enemies. the people he targeted were peter strak and lisa page, two fbi officials involved in investigating the trump campaign's ties to russia. strak was the lead agent in the investigation. page was a former lawyer in the bureau. they were both removed from the special counsel's probe. two officials who trump viciously attacked while in office filed lawsuits.

john kelly's assertions were disclosed in a statement filed in connection with those lawsuits. he said, trump questions whether investigations by the irs or other federal agencies should be undertaken into mr. strak or ms. page. i don't know of trump ordering such an investigation, kelly says, it appeared he wanted to see strak and page investigated. more white house officials disclose how routine it was for the president to put government secrets on displace. in 2017 trump revealed intelligence secrets to kremlin officials he welcomed inside the oval office. from loose lips to tweeting classified images to now flaunting precious boxes filled with classified material as if

they were prizes. the danger has never been so clear. america's safety and may still be at the mercy of one man's ego and the fact that he could still become president, it's a truly terrifying thought. joining me now is nick ackerman and java ali. nick, i want to go to you first. you have the direct experience with a president who wanted to use the irs to target his enemies. talk about this in relation to the old nixon style and what danger trump posed contrasted to nixon. >> there's no question that donald trump is pulling a full richard nixon here and ordering and directing mr. kelly to have the irs audit various people. this is precisely what richard

nixon did. he compiled an enemy list that included larry o'brien and had the irs audit him. directed the irs to audit him. larry o'brien was also subject of what happened in watergate. richard nixon stopped at nothing to uncover whatever he could and to create whatever damage he could on those people. donald trump has done exactly the same thing. we don't know what happened this terms of the audits of page and strazk. we do know what happened with james comey and his deputy mccabe were both audited.

the odds of those two people being audited out of all the people audited by the irs is almost impossible. there was an investigation that was supposedly done by the inspector general for the irs presented to the house committee on the finances and tax and claimed they could not find any such evidence. the fact remains, unlike what we did in watergate where we put people into the grand jury and followed the trail from nixon to the irs and could show what happened, that wasn't done here. there was no department of justice investigation of donald trump on what was clearly criminal activity. the problem is donald trump committed so many crimes that the department of justice doesn't have the time and ability to go after every single one of these.

certainly i think, if they dug into the comey and mccabe audits, they would find out this is what happened to larry o'brien 50 years ago. >> peter strak, miss page, james comey and mccabe, what they have in common -- strak and page were not audited. these were conversations the chief of staff was privy too, they were all involved in trump's conversations with russia. there was some thinking that pay back and prove those issues was part of what he wanted to do, what do you make of that fact?

>> it would suggest that president trump was trying to use the irs as some kind of political tool to advance these personal agendas even though he and other folks on his staff were coming under investigation for those suspected or alleged ties to russia. we know there are problems with the cross-fire hurricane investigation as well and the fbi has taken steps to address that. this is another example of that attitude that president trump apparently had while he was in office that, to use these different tools of governmen to align with his personal interests and go after people he thought were somehow trying to undermine him personally. >> i will note that the investigation that was done by robert mueller, 33 some odd people were indicted. donald trump's ties to russia was being solicited by the russians and it was clear from

the mueller report they wanted him to win. that freaked him out and he was disturbed as that information was coming out. let me go to the second piece of this. you have donald trump while he's president disclosing classified information about the planned operation when he's in the oval office with the russian ambassador. they might as well be russian spies. he told the philippines president that the u.s. positioned two nuclear submarines off the source of north korea. he confiscated his interpreter's notes from his meeting with putin. he posted video on twitter of several members of s.e.a.l. team five revealing their location and unblurred faces. he tweeted a surveillance image

of iran's spaceport. he also may have shown aides and visitors a map of sensitive intelligence. this is not a man that cares about national security. he seems to be using our national secrets to elevate himself. how dangerous is tha to have any near the oval office like that? >> it's certainly a troubling pattern. i was on the trump national security from 2017 to 2018. when i was on staff, we never heard of these types of allegations. they must have happened very closely within the confines of the oval office and every day, at least on the national security council, we were dealing with the most sensitive documents one could imagine, going all the way up to the president. once they left our control and

got to the national security adviser and to the president, there was nothing we could do to control who would provide some type of unauthorized disclosure to who. unfortunately it seems like that was a pattern of activity while president trump was in the white house and now we know what happened in the aftermath with all the documents at mar-a-lago. there seems to be a pattern of behavior here. part of it may have been that president trump was not someone who was part of that washington national security establishment and wasn't indoctrinated into the sensitivities about handling intelligence and then you mix it in with the personal attributes, something like this happened. >> barack obama, bill clinton, george w. bush, none of them did it. it appears like trump just

didn't care. let's talk about walt nauta. he tried to delay his trial again. his attorney is -- one of his attorneys is in d.c. doing another case and his other lawyer, they're claiming, has not been briefed on the case. it sounds to me like something that trump might want, to push this trial back, right? >> of course. that's what he's going to do every step of the way. i don't know what the judge is going to do about this where an attorney has another engagement. i think in this circumstance she may order this attorney to show up or have someone from her office show up. there's no excuse for this. this case has to take precedence over any other case. it's a criminal case. criminal cases in the federal system always take precedence. if it's a civil case in the district of columbia, that's

nonsense. there's no way this should be permitted. this date has been on the calendar for a couple weeks. when the attorney came into the case, she knew full well it was a date that was there and in stone. i just don't think it's going to work. he's going to try a lot of other stunts. this is probably the first of many we'll see. >> thank you both very much for helping us make sense of this stuff. up next, new reporting raising more concerns about ethical behavior of supreme court justices. we continue after this. we continue after this if you have this... consider adding this. an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan from unitedhealthcare. medicare supplement plans help by paying some of what medicare doesn't... and let you see any doctor. any specialist. anywhere in the u.s. who accepts medicare patients. so if you have this...

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where thomas has received benefits, many of them unreported. it's noted he's granted the association unusual access to the supreme court where he presides over a ceremony in the courtroom where he places medals around the necks of lifetime members. one person called it the closest thing to be knighted in the united states. he's hob knobbed with the r and powerful including businessman david sokol along with harlan crow who purchased thomas' mother's home. thomas' relationship with the society has gotten him invitations to luxury vacation

retreats and vip access to sporting events while the group used its access to raise money for scholarships. two of those scholarships named after thomas' sons were awarded at virginia prep schools. one overlapped with a young man the justice mentored, the others were awarded to where one of thomas' nephew attends. after befriending dallas cowboys owner jerry jones, "the new york times" reported he said he plans to be rich and that means more than a few hundred thousand dollars a year. joining me now is one of the writers of that story. let's dig into this more.

one of the things i noted in your piece is how impressed and the grandeur of being in the room meant to the people who were there. is it normal for members of the supreme court to invite people to do fundraisers and enshrine themselves in that venue for purposes not related to law? >> what we know is that basically what we reported which is it's very unusual for groups to get access to the supreme court's courtroom itself. that is a hallowed place in american jurist prudence. this group has been able to have access to the court for its induction ceremony. >> this is where new members are brought in. are there members that have been brought in who turned around and had cases before the court?

>> we did an examination. one of our researchers put together a list of the top people in this organization and they have companies from health care companies to industries. they're very wealthy and connected people. many of them conservatives and republican donors. that's as much as we can say right now, is that's a really common theme in this organization. >> i played a little clip of that documentary. very pro clarence thomas documentary. my understanding is it was produced in response to continued reporting about his confirmation hearing where he was credibly accused of sexual harassment. is that accurate? >> we did see that there was -- there is a section of a book that was produced along with this documentary where there's an explicit connection between the 2016 hbo movie that came out

and the decision to create something in response giving clarence thomas' views, giving him in his own words. this documentary, if you watch it at the end and the credits, it lists people who are his friend from the association along with mr. crow. >> the people who paid for it. adam, you know, i'm old enough to remember when republicans were outraged and claimed that the clintons were selling the lincoln bedroom and allowing donors to come over and experience the white house and then they donated. this seems to be a sale in a sense of the court, trading access of the court to be in that hallowed space and then those people turn around and get their way in the court and then they take him out to fancy events. it sounds like corruption to me. how do you read it? >> well, thomas was already very conservative when he was

appointed to the court. it's hard to say where his ideology begins and whatever outside influence might begin. it's also the case that you're not supposed to be able to profit off of your elevated position. even if there's no evidence or there's no -- we never find out anything that indicates sort of explicit i'll do this and you'll vote for me on this issue. what you have is a long-standing relationship that puts pressure on a person of incredible power to rule in the way that doesn't make his friends upset, especially when those people are contributing to a lifestyle you can't afford on your own. it's an unusual relationship. it's not necessarily corruption by a legal standard, but it's corrupting in the sense that, you know, you have a very tight

social and finance tie to people who have business before the court. >> and i think that's fair. that's a fairway to look at it. this association, adam, has given clarence thomas access to people who would not be really associated with him in real life, people like buzz aldrin, oprah winfrey, fred trump was a member, mike bloomberg, elizabeth holmes, roger ailes. he's getting these associations. he's somebody who his biographers agree has this anger that he didn't become a rich lawyer. he's now essentially traded this hallowed position for access to wealth, privilege and money. it doesn't surprise me he wants to make those people happy and his rulings do make them happy.

>> well, as the saying goes, it's a small club and you ain't in it. you know, i don't think we know for sure what the nature -- you know what i'm saying, to what extent this has affected any decisions he's actually made before the court. it's certainly the case he's been given access to asserting that certain lifestyle from people he wouldn't be able to afford on his own. it's a questionable thing to do even if nobody has ever slipped you an envelope of money. >> adam, there's a really big push that congress has to stop this and put an end to the perception that the court is thoroughly corrupt. congress has been called to investigate. you have 90 progressive organizations calling for an investigation. the reaction of people like harlan crow and chief justice

roberts, the contempt they've had for the suggestion they ought to be investigated, their refusal to testify, to me that's also damning. harlan crow claims they don't have a legislative purpose for examination. justice thomas said you can't investigate us. if they're not corrupt, their behavior suggests they're corruptish. if they're not doing anything wrong, why wouldn't they be open to a full look? >> i think quite apart from the question of corruption, congress is one of the three branches of government. it's allowed to look at the supreme court and say, we want to make sure you're doing your job properly. harlan crow is not a member of the supreme court. it's very strange for him to thumb his nose at congress. john roberts says it's a separation of powers that

prevents him going to congress to answer questions. that's questionable. harlan crow saying i'm going to spend all this money and ignore congress when they call me to testify. that's much stranger. >> i think the american people don't want to feel like we live in an oligarchy where the elites pay to play and hang out and get their way on the court almost all the time. thank you both very much. coming up, twitter challenger threads stakes out space in the social media world as a less confrontational place. can that last? we'll be right back.

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twitter might be on the slow road to obscurity as threads has surpassed 100 million users in only five days. twitter users are mostly left with a ranting and raving elon mus and polls like this anti-semitic one asking if jews control the world. they're allowed to stay up horrifyingly and a half the people that engaged said yes.

it's just one example of twitter failing to regulate hate speech. blue checks are fueling disinformation about the ukraine war. joining me now is ben collins, my dooms scrolling reporting. i love seeing you, my friend. i'm going to give you myself as an example. i'm somebody who i stopped using twitter a long time ago. every so often i would check it to see if there's any news in there in between the nazi tweets. after that i stopped doing that. threads, since that has launched, to me there's no reason to check twitter. all the major blogs on there -- all the stuff i would normally read i can read on threads. twitter now is useless to me. if people like me are leaving, i don't know how twitter survives. >> it will survive in the sense

that the nazis still really like it. >> they do. >> they really do. it shows off that the space has become an artificial hellscape. the structure on twitter wasn't the best content or the most interesting. now it's a guy paid eight bucks to someone who is loathed in part because they support the guy. the stuff that you see on twitter is inherently kind of nuts. it's kind of nuts. on threads it's not the case. it's people trying to see if they can plant their flag, trying to remind people they're around. it's like the first week in a new neighborhood. it's 103 million people right now on threads. when twitter was bought by elon,

it was 360 million people. that's over a dozen years in existence. it's only gone down since then. we're going to deal with a bifurcated internet now where the happier place appears to be threads. >> right, and i mean, like, one of the last hold outs, black twitter was there and it's not even there. as far as news, yes, the people of threads said this is not a place for news. that's what they said. that's not how it's working out. i can still see news. i'll point to your tweet that the supposed whistle blower that was going to get joe biden has

now been indicted -- you know, i can find out about things. the two things that were holding people on twitter was the community they built and the fact that you could get information in real time. if you can get the information in real time on threads, i feel like twitter isn't important. let's talk about zuckerberg. a lot of people are wary of him getting this power. 2.9 billion people on facebook. instagram 2.3 billion. 370 million on twitter. is there a concern that zuckerberg gets too much power? >> yeah. joy, we're not in a good position here. we're in this weird space where we float around from one weird rich guy's platform to the next.

elon, however, he got -- the guy is an internet four tran dude now and he's making his platform worse. when you go on there you're confronted with videos of people getting murdered or people replaying to you that you didn't know existed, and maybe they don't because there's no bot checking anymore. i don't love this. this is the reality we're in right now. everyone is sort of planting their flag all throughout the internet. we're in a new era. this is like the great reset of social media where everyone is going to find these new spots and figure out what they like post. maybe you post a blue sky. maybe that sandwich you liked isn't meant for twitter anymore. that's where we're headed. the problem is, of course, this is sort of the issue we have

going forward. how do we determine which one of these is important politically? how do we determine which user base has power and is driving people to the polls? why is ron desantis spending his time at this place and why is joe biden at this place? that's going to be a new thing we have to learn. problem is the world is more closed off than it used to be and that's because it's mark zuckerberg and elon musk. >> twitter is still a dangerous place due to misinformation. i wonder if it concentrates it so much that the right wing gets bored talking to each other. they want to be where the liberals are. they want to own the libs. i wander if they impact threads the same way and if there's guardrails over there.

they don't like talking to each other. they want to talk to normal people. they can only do that if they get on the platforms where normal people are. >> it's the ever repeating story of the internet. this is how it's always gone. >> people create these small enclaves where they find safe places for their friends. then those places become cool and interesting and people want to be part of that community. some people with unpopular opinions think there's an experience where they're being shut out. it turns out maybe their opinions aren't something people want to listen to. it's not censorship. >> it's not us. it's you. still ahead, iowa

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than ludicrous. you have george santos, aka, now putting himself on the same level as a beloved civil rights icon. >> mitt romney, the man goes to the state of the union wearing a ukraine lapel pin and tells me, a latino gay man i shouldn't sit in the front. i should sit in the back. rosa parks wouldn't sit in the back and neither will i. >> you are nothing like rosa parks. iowa's republican party said they'll hold their primary on january 18th, the same day as martin luther king. >> i think the fact that it's a federal holiday and the fact that, as republicans, we see this as honoring the legacy of martin luther king. >> yes, i'm sure dr. king would

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killing 108 black people given the ban on teaching about race in public schools. >> be judgemental of the action, of the character of the individual absolutely. let's not tie it to the skin color. >> you heard that right. somehow the tulsa race massacre had nothing to do with race. you cannot make this up. we'll talk about that and about the lawsuit seeking reparations for the last living victims of tulsa race massacre next.

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>> what does justice look like to you? >> everything is beautiful. to build and restored, as it would suggest now, it's on all of that. all of our life. that type of life over again as a grown-up. >> for 109-year-old viola fletcher, the two other known survivors of the 1921 tulsa race massacre. the wait for that justice will -- the years long legal effort seeking reparations and rebuilding to address the historical damage done 102 years ago by the race massacre that destroyed black wall street. judge caroline wall sided with the state and city of tulsa, who argued in part that being connected to a historical event

does not give a person unlimited rights to seek compensation. joining us now is demario solomon-simmons, civil rights attorney and founder of justice for greenwood. demario, it is great to see you. i have to say, the argument that people have normally made against reparations is that the victims of enslavement, or some other wrong, are long dead. we can't compensate people because victims are dead. now you have a case where the victims are alive. three people that were alive, and they are still saying that we can't have reparations. make that make sense. it seems like a heads you lose, tales i win. >> it is always a movement of the goal post when it comes to black people, and when facing justice claims. and you're, right 109 years old, mother fletcher was seven years old at the time. mother randall, 100 and, eight she was six years old at the time. they saw, they felt, they heard, and they witnessed and experienced the race massacre. they are still here. that's the thing that this case

is so important, because we have the photos. we have the video. we have the hundreds of insurance claims. we have looming people that are saying this happened to me. nobody is disputing that this happened to them, and yet the city of tulsa, the county, the chamber, and the state are saying that we don't care this happen to you. we are not going to do anything for you, your families, or the communities. >> let me play what you said last time you are here. about the defendants in this case. >> we know that the defendants, their strategy was to have these beautiful individuals. they wanted them to die, point blank. they were hoping that during this delay, that they would not be here any longer. they both told me that they're going to be here for the long haul. >> i mean, that is what it sounds like. it sounds like they want to go back to the original argument, saying that there are no living victims. >> absolutely. that's why justices agreed with the organization fighting on behalf of these survivors and descendants. is why we had a holistic plan because we know that the city and state, they just want these people to be dead so that they can continue to utilize the massacre to raise more money

for themselves. joy, as you know, the city used the massacre, and everything to raise over $30 million for their own benefit and create a tourism attraction. and yet they only give -- one penny, one dime to any of the survivors or descendants. that's why this decision to dismiss us is so hurtful, and it's so unbelievable. as you know, joy, last year the same judge said we can move forward. it's not over. we are going to appeal this case to the oklahoma supreme court. we know that it's a conservative venue, but the law is so clear here that if they would just do the rule of law, and again we know how it is when it comes to black people. but they just follow the law, we would be successful in getting back into the court. in the meanwhile, we are caught on the federal government, joe biden, the jury assistant christian clark at the department of justice, coming in and opening the criminal investigation which has never happened in greenwood. they can do this today. right now today, they have the authority to do that when we ask them to do it. >> because we know that u.s. military planes were used as well. jonathan, who produced this

segment, he went looking for the ruling by judge caroline wall. i, first he thought he didn't find it because it found the three sentence -- you know, upon hearing the arguments of counsel, this case is dismissed with prejudice. that is the ruling. she did not even explain her ruling. she just wrote three quick lines, and get out of my courtroom. to me, that seems like an insult particularly as you said since the city of tulsa has used these people and their tragedy to earn money off of them. >> it is an insult. joy when i found, out i found out about this by a reporter calling me late friday evening. it was a gut punch. i felt so bad for myself, but then feeling, bad i had to call my clients and tell them what happened. they asked us, what's the reasoning? i had to tell them, i don't know. the judge did not give us the decency to explain it to us in a written order. outside of just putting this in on friday night. it's something that shouldn't have happened, the standard that we have had, the bar was so low in the motion to dismiss in this type of situation.

for us not to have any type of reasoning, it leads you -- the only thing you can think of is that this is another chapter in 102 year book when it comes to saying no, we continue to find ways to say no regardless of when you bring the claim, how you bring the claim, or who brings the claim. that's why we're going to continue to fight, we're going to appeal this case, we're gonna look at different avenues to get these people justice, and the entire black community from greenwood. this is a case that impacts all of black america's racial justice claims. as you stated, joy, we have survivors, video, pictures, we have millions of dollars of insurance claims, and they're still going to say no. this can't stand in america. i ask everybody that believes in truth, justice, and reparations for the survivors and black folks to join with us, justice for greene, justice for greenwood at org. stand with, as let these survivors know that they have a nation of people that are not just praying for them, but is actively in the fight for justice. >> absolutely. please pass along to uncle red and mother fletcher, and to the

other wonderful survivor, that we will stay on this case, demario solomon summons, we will invite you back whenever there are any developments in your lawsuit. your ongoing action to try and get justice for these people. $30 million, they paid for their tragedy for money. i think the tulsa needs to step up and do the right thing. we're going to stay with them until they do. all in with chris hayes starts right now. hayes starts >> tonight on all in, -- >> a graduated from the warden school of finance. we didn't study being indicted, getting arrested, going to jail. >> the ex presidents codefendant plays kick the can. >> i did everything right and they indicted me. >> tonight, the latest on some important new filings in the classified documents case. and then, inside of the justice department, trump's goal to finish the job if he wins again. plus, why a old trump als