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good to be with you. president zelenskyy has arrived in lithuania amid questions over whether he would show up at all, and he is not happy, saying quote, uncertainty is weakness and i will discuss at the summit. he's lashed out at nato, arguing they should allow ukraine in now. nato sent out the agenda including a key line for their future. we'll explain with our team on the ground because a ukrainian welcome could have huge consequences. and potentially catastrophic
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risk for both the west and russia. joining me now is nbc news foreign correspondent, ali, and from kyiv, kelly. ali, president biden's going to meet with. >> sean: zelenskyy today. he's clearly not happy. >> that's right. he was here, he was addressing a massive crowd of supporters all waving ukrainian flags and he wasn't happy. he was talking about nato that doesn't waste time. he was very clear about that. he says they have to be decisive in their actions. yesterday, he tweeted that it was absurd that they were not giving a clear path to nato's membership. so this is clearly upset president zelenskyy and this was not the quantum leap he had hoped for nor the rest of kyiv hoped for. clearly, these issues are going
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to be front and center with his meeting there, but he has to tread a very careful line. the united states is the biggest financial and military contributor to ukraine and president zelenskyy can't overlook that. so i don't think he's going to try and alienate president biden in tomorrow's meeting. he's going to be grateful for all the support they've given but he's going to press hard about getting a clear path to nato membership. today, he spoke about that not only giving ukraine security, but also strengthening nato. that's been his call since the beginning of this war. he's saying this is just not effecting ukraine. that could affect the rest of europe and beyond if russia is able to succeed. that's why he's so determined to get his country membership to nato, but this is clearly going to be a very long path and ukraine still has to meet many conditions before they're let in. >> kelly, what is it you point from ukraine? it was a question of whether
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zelenskyy would even show up to the summit. >> reporter: that's right. we didn't really know. we didn't have any confirmation from his office until until later this afternoon our time then of course he popped up in lithuania with some softer language. not completely soft, but softer than that initial tweet where he called the nato statement on possible ukrainian membership absurd. look, there is huge support for joining nato in this country. even the defense minister was asked about this today. he said it's great we've gotten these weapons packages, these promises from france for long range weapons. promises from germany for another package of tanks and artillery but he said my focus as well is on nato membership. there's huge support for it here in ukraine. 89% of the population wants to be in nato and that support,
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while not at that percentage, it does span the length of the country. it's not just here in kyiv or out west in lviv. he wants to deliver something to his people, to forces on the ground. soldiers are talking about this. commanders are talking about this, politicians are talking about this. average people are talking about this. he wants to deliver to his people but really, he knows he's not going to get everything he wants at this point. >> you talk about conditions. let me read to you what the communique, as they call it, nato, released today. among its many agenda items, they said this. we will be in a position to extend an invitation to ukraine to join when allies agree and conditions are met. when you read that, it seems like it's going to happen at some point. but they are hinting that there's not agreement within the alliance. at least not yet.
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what conditions are they talking about? is it just that ukraine is currently at war? >> they realize that's a condition that can't be fulfilled because it would drag the u.s. and the rest of nato into conflict and i think they're aware of that. to have interoperaablety with nato so they can communicate on a language where all of nato know what the left hand and the right hand is doing. zelenskyy says they've made leaps and bounds in the field and proved their mettle on the battlefield and they're a strong enough army to be in nato, but clearly, these are not enough for the united states, for germany. but other countries think it's enough. final word is with the united states. they are the big player in nato
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and the decision is going to fall with them. the united states feel they don't, in the way that sweden did. they were a democratic nation. they quickly fulfilled that criteria. they're saying ukraine still has a long way to go. they need to stamp out corruption in their country amongst many other things. so that's what they need to work on before they're let in to nato. president zelenskyy isn't happy about that. >> kelly, explain the issues still at large. the corruption one specifically. what is happening in ukraine in terms of that? >> ukraine is a country at war so nothing is really functioning as it normally would.
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you don't have elections. you don't have functioning within different departments here. you have issues that have popped up over the past 17 months with corruption. there are accusations of corruption in different cities. nothing that has been specifically brought to bear as far as i'm aware. but this is not a functioning country right now. this is a country on a war and everything is geared toward that war footing. one of the heads of rail was just brought over to deal with ammunition stores. when you have the institution on government focused on one endeavor and not operating like a normal, stable democratic country, it's difficult to see how you can say yeah, this is a good candidate to join nato. you just don't know how ukraine is going to function going
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forward and we know there have been issues with corruption in this country in the past. >> ali, let me ask you about sweden. yesterday on the show, we had you on. we were talking about how turkey relented and allowed sweden to become a member nation of nato. do we have any idea why president erdogan relented? >> well, there's been a lot of pressure from other nato members to get turkey to change its position because of these extraordinary circumstances we're in. turkey has also indicated they want their member seriously considered to the eu. that doesn't seem to be on the table. but interestingly, the swedish prime minister said that they're going to back turkey's application to join the european union. also, they made a deal with the u.s. to get f 16 fighter planes. now the u.s. said these two things are unrelated but you can't help but thinks that was a
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sweetener for president erdogan to come around to this way of thinking. and it's also interesting because everyone has a very close relationship with putin. they do $60 billion worth of trade with the russians and this is going to alienate him from his relationship with putin. it took a lot of convincing for erdogan to come around this way. he's obviously being offered sweetness. he's been told this is all about alliance and strength of nato and it's just not going to work if you are not going to help other countries that deserve to be in nato that want to be in nato in at such a critical time. >> also questions about f 16s and whether that played a role. the united states giving them to turkey. kelly, the viewpoint from the kremlin. sweden now another member nation. nato is expanding. not getting smaller, which initially was thought to be one of the reasons why putin wanted to push back and go into ukraine. to push back on the nato
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alliance. what is the reaction from moscow? >> sergey lavrov was talking about this today. he said they were surprised, struck by how quickly finland and sweden moved to join nato just a couple of months after that invasion back in may of last year. he said he was struck by how quickly they gave up their neutrality. keeping in mind finland had somewhat of a working relationship with russia. they had economic ties with russia. some cooperation with russia. they share an 800 mile border. so sergey lavrov saying we were surprised they were so quick to throw that away and join the alliance. he said they're hinting essentially that russia is concerned about this. they're worried about nato troops being on the ground just across their border in finland.
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by the way, finland has to decide whether or not there are nato boots permanently on the ground. they have yet to do so. he's also concerned about the same thing in sweden. he said russia would take the necessary measures to protect their security. we don't know what that will be going forward. >> thank you guys very much and joining us now, barry mccaffery. clearly, general, president zelenskyy wants into nato, but there are some conditions as ali and kelly pointed out. is it your expectation those conditions will be met and is it going to be on a shorter or a longer timeline? >> to be honest, i think zelenskyy, who has shown such incredible political judgment in international diplomatic influence is really pushing on a locked door now. this is not good for ukraine.
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there is zero possibility that any member of nato wants to enter the war against russia. zelenskyy and ukraine are getting tens of billions of dollars with economic, humanitarian and military support from not just nato, but the contact group so for him to insist on this public gesture, it seems to me is fool hearty. this plays into putin's hand. he wants to claim he's fighting against nato. not criminal invasion of a neighboring country. so i think he's out over his skis here and this is not good for ukraine. >> what's your take on f 16s to turkey? >> i think it's going to happen but they're complex, high payoff. i think the political decision to be made by both the u.s. and nato that they'll get them. this is a one or two-year option to preserve the peace after the
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war's over. in the short run which ukraine desperately needs is more deep strike capability. meaning specifically the army missiles at 300 kilometer range. that can get in there and influence those counterattacks, which i believe is actually bogged down. they're still fighting in the security force area. they still haven't got to the main line of resistance. they're not able to deal with the mind factor they're encountering. they don't have adequate, forward, tactical air defense capability. so this is a crucial moment. we've got to decide this war for ukraine in the coming year. >> may be on the horizon. general, thank you very much. coming up next, he accused the bidens of corruption. now the doj is accusing him right here of arms trafficking, lying, violating international sanctions and more.
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what we know about the man house republicans once claimed was a credible witness. plus, when donald trump's lawyers say the federal government versus donald trump should go to trial and if at first you don't succeed, try, try again. what republicans in iowa are trying to do again today regarding abortion. despite a court ordered injunction. we are back in 60 seconds. injunction we are back in 60 seconds. there are currently more than 750,000 unfilled cybersecurity jobs in the u.s.
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oversight committee. he's somebody who the fbi and the justice department and part of their ongoing counterintelligence efforts looking into people that are trying to influence u.s. positions or policies and trying to do without filing the appropriate paperwork, that they're keeping track of. apparently, this individual says he didn't commit wrong doing but worked with a former cia director to get him to, under his own name, write stories that were pro china. he also allegedly was involved in an effort to try and sell guns and weapons to a number of different countries that are all countries that you're not supposed to export weapons to from a chinese manufacturer. they've been paying attention to his active but he's started to speak out on his own after a colleague of his was arrested who was charged in connection
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with this and was something who according to james comer is somebody they thought could be a huge witness for them involving the biden family. that's why this person and name has kind of exploded out on to the scenes. >> he's a fugitive. currently on the run. does james comer, do the house republicans, still consider him a credible witness? would they want to hear from him still? >> we haven't gotten an answer to the exact question now that he's been indicted. do you guys still want to talk to him because one of the key things comer and others have been touting is this interview he had with the fbi in 2019. we know it's true because of the indictment he's alleged to have lied to the fbi in that meeting. so it raises potential concerns about his credibility. larmtd says with respect to things you know about, which is your involvement with a chinese company, this is somebody who you've lied about and your
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connections to them. that's their allegation. we have to wait and see where this goes but obviously, some questions now about this individual going forward. >> you just get the best story, my friend. the best angles. >> crime doesn't pay. >> that's a good one. tom, thank you very much. we have multiple updates as well in the legal trouble surrounded donald trump. two grand juries have been seated in fulton county, georgia today. one or both could be tasked with deciding whether to criminally charge the president for efforts to overturn the election in that state. and while that might be a step toward a trial, the president's former legal team is trying to take a step back from the trial, asking judge cannon for an open ended delay on the federal criminal trial over his handling of classified documents.
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let's start with two juries being seated. two grand juries. why do we believe that one or both might be tasked with deciding whether to indict trump or his allies? >> it goes back to the letter bonnie willis sent to judges in fulton county letting them know when her staff was going on at 70% and asking them not to schedule trials for a certain period. that signals to people that's a period in which willis expected to bring at least an attempt to bring an indictment. obviously the grand jury is the final auditor of that. that's what suggests these two that were seated today are likely going to pass judgment. >> i feel like we should have this down by heart now considering how many grand juries we've covered, but once a grand jury is impanelled, how long does it take typically before a charging decision is met? it probably has a lot to do with
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what kind of cases are being put in front of them. what's the expectation? >> i think again it depends but she understood the two grand juries would start on july 13th and 14th. they're projection based on communication to the court, sometime probably in the first two weeks of august based on the presentation of evidence. >> why two? >> it's the normal order of business. we have no reason to believe that both grand juries would hear evidence pertaining to her investigation. >> open ended delay in the trial against donald trump from his legal team. that's what they want from judge cannon. the justice department wants december. where is this going to land? >> probably somewhere beyond december. but not that much beyond december. i could be wrong. if cannon is sympathetic to the
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arguments made in this brief, that will tell us everything we need to know about her. when she was assigned this case, people were clambering for the department of justice to ask for her recusal and more reasoned voices said wait, give her an opportunity to demonstrate she's not biased against the special counsel's office. if she decided trump cannot be fairly tried until after the election, that will be probably as good a sign as any that she is not only not a good draw, but perhaps biased. >> if she does do that, can the justice department then petition for her to be removed? >> absolutely. they can move for her recusal at any point in time. >> what are the arguments the trump team is making? >> a variety of arguments. for example, they cite the volume of discovery what they are not saying is the reason
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they have no security clearances yet is because nauta's team hasn't submitted paperwork. >> being because andrew weissman has told me the process to which you get clearance to evidence. >> and it governs evidence in a court. hearing was supposed to be this friday. walt nauta's team asked for it to be postponed for reasons that they didn't have security clearances. it will be next tuesday, july 18th. >> thank you very much. and coming up, the people say they do not want it. so why does the iowa legislature believe that a six-week abortion ban is in their political interest? the conflicting indicators on reproductive rights in the hawk eye state. plus, kevin mccarthy's headache is back. what conservatives are now demanding from the speaker of the house. re now demanding from the speaker of the house. subway refreshed everything. and now, they're slicing their meats fresh. that's why this pro proffers the new grand slam ham.
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you murder babies! you murder babies! stop murdering babies! stop murdering babies! >> wow. protesters in des moines are angry, as you can see. showing up at the iowa capital to fight for and against a six-week abortion ban the gop legislation is working to pass again. the previously passed ban was unenforceable but also failed to clarify whether such a ban was unconstitutional in that state and while local polling from this year found a clear majority believe abortion should be legal in most or all cases, democrats, many of whom across the country running on abortion did not do
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well in iowa's elections last year. joining me from des moines, shaquille brewster. that was quite a scene you were able to capture earlier. let me ask you about this six-week ban because the legislature as i understand it, already passed one. there was a court ordered injunction. it went to the supreme court. nothing happened because there was no clear majority. why would another six-week ban that looks almost identical to the last one pass this time? >> yeah, let's walk through this. it's largely because republicans are making the bet that enough has changed in the state of iowa. now republicans are hoping to pass it again because one thing we saw from the courts when they deadlocked last month when the governor requested that launch be revived, the courts, we'll put this up on a full screen for you. you heard three justices explain
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unprecedented jurisdictional and procedural issues in this case fall away if the legislature enacts a new abortion law and that essentially what is taking place. roe has overturned. there's more conservative justices on the state supreme court so republicans are hoping when they pass this time, it will stick. now you mentioned in terms of the law, it's a six-week ban. there are some exceptions for rape and incest, but i want you to listen to a conversation i had with a doctor about how it's confusing for those who practice the procedure. >> the language is very confusing in the legislation like how close does a woman have to be for me to intervene. i don't want a woman to die on my watch. i'm willing to be fined or go to
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jail but i can't lose my medical license. i'm married to a farmer and we have four kids. like, i want to continue practicing medicine and i think the language is so vague vague that i need to know when i can intervene to save a woman's life. >> thank you very much. now to washington where kevin mccarthy has a slate of funding bills to pass and new set of demands from the conservatives. what will it take to avoid a shutdown this time? joining me now is garrett haake. so, garrett, what will it take? >> he gets pressure from democrats and in some cases, moderate republicans. he's got to try to thread the
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needle. seems to be the case here with this letter from 21 house conservatives saying they want to spend less money than amounts agreed to in the debt ceiling deal. the last he managed to pull off, and these upcoming probe rations bills. if there's no deal, we have a shutdown. here's what he told reporters. >> just seems like another week of congress. i'll get through it and figure it out. a lot of members send me a lot of different letters about a lot of different things. i believe it's easier just to talk to me. >> his point's a good one. if these members wanted to involve themselves in this process, there are ways to do it short of releasing a letters. they want to have this fight in public and we'll see where it ends. we've got a couple of months in
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congress time. that's basically forever. in august, these guys are gone entirely. got a couple of weeks now in july. a couple in september to avert a government shutdown this fall. >> what's the likelihood of them averting it? if they were to pass it? >> too early to tell. don't let me go down that road. >> is he going to have an issue with the senate? >> this is the squeeze that mccarthy's in here. say he vows to these 21 conservatives. he manages to get everything sort of far right republicans want and keep his moderates want and pass something just with republican votes in the house. how far do you think that goes in the democratic-controlled senate. does it get past joe biden's veto pen? no. he's got to negotiate with a other two players here, the senate and the white house controlled by the other party. these 21 republicans won't get what they want. it's just a matter of what they're willing to settle for and when that will tell us whether or not we're going to get a shutdown.
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>> thank you very much. up next, if netanyahu was hoping for a cool off, he did not get it. what tens of thousands of people tried to tell him today. plus, bill gates is not worried about ai. what he said about the revolutionary technology and why he doesn't think you should be worried either. you should be worried either (christina) with verizon business unlimited, i get 5g, truly unlimited data, and unlimited hotspot data. so, no matter what, i'm running this kitchen. (vo) make the switch. it's your business. it's your verizon.
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it's not that bad. microsoft founder, bill gates, is the latest tech leader to opine on artificial intelligence and he is pretty optimistic. saying the future is not as bleak as most people fear. writing in a blog post that aai is the most transformative innovation any of us will see in our lifetimes -- he cites the introduction of cars or the rise of personal computers. and the internet. and gates argues humanity has always come out better off. we'll see. israelis are back on the streets today once again blocking the road to the country's main airport. tens of thousands of people showed up across the country to renew protests against the government and netanyahu's efforts to curb the independent judiciary. in some places, police tried to
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disburse the crowds with water cannons. joining me now is matt bradley. there was a lull because netanyahu kind of cooled things off for one of the holidays out there, but it's clear people were not ready to let this go. >> yeah, netanyahu decided for about three months he was going to try to negotiate with a opposition and that opposition pulled out recently. so netanyahu went ahead last night and pushed ahead with his legislation, putting it through parliament. his narrow majority voted to essentially table this proposal and that it will continue to go through parliament after the summer break. but now as you can see, that one move introducing this back in has sent about 10,000 people on to the streets. this is going back here. this is called a day of disruption, katy, and that is exactly what people here are doing. they are disrupting. this goes all the way down here. there was an attempt, we think,
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some of the protesters wanted to go block one of the major highways. this is what they've been doing since january. i spoke with one of the demonstrators. a young man at the airport. that was a really big scene. he was telling me he hasn't actually done his obligatory military service yet, which is a sacred duty. he said if this legislation does pass, he might refuse to put on a uniform for this country. >> at the end of the day, we're standing up for israeli democracy where the new government is trying to destroy. >> if this legislation passes, will you wear a uniform for this country? >> so, while legally i'm required to, i will say this. i will not fight for military in a dictatorial state, i will not put my life at risk for a
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fascist state. >> this might seem like an internal issue, but there were protests in front of the u.s. embassy. a lot of the protesters want america to take action -- some said they want to see sanctions placed by the united states on israel until netanyahu relents. that's the kind of tough talk you're hearing from this huge, angry crowd. >> isn't that the leverage the people have there? is military service. there were questions about whether reservice and i believe it was the air force would come in regarding if this passed, they were saying they didn't want to serve. if you start having individual israelis saying i'm not going to serve in the military, this is a different ball game for netanyahu, especially since the hard line conservatives in the state, many don't serve because they have an out to study the torah.
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>> and you know that's one of the interesting things here. this is not just about politics and the judiciary. that falls along some familiar fi sures. a lot of them don't even work. they receive a lot of benefits from the, wo. that's angered a lot of people in this crowd who are mostly left liberal, secularist, many opposed to the occupation of the palestinian people. we've been seeing a lot of signs like this. many holding rainbow flags. something that netanyahu and his people and his right wing cabinet, the most right wing cabinet israel has ever seen in its history. they very much oppose that kind of rhetoric. so again, you're seeing a clash of civilizations here and it's not just about the judiciary and netanyahu. it really is about what the vision is for israel's future. >> that's right. matt, thank you very much. coming up next, from historic flooding to record breaking heat, what all of this extreme
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even as the sun comes out and the water begins to recede. still a very dangerous situation. we saw these rescuers here take two women and a baby out of the flood waters. over 100 rescues so far in vermont during this storm so still a very active situation. even as we're also beginning to see people coming back home. still not sure what they're going to find. there is still several feet of water in these downtown businesses and homes. people are being warned not to drive through this water, to stay inside if they can. now the roads are going to open up. but still a lot of roads across the state remain closed and several communities are still shut off. they have helicopters flying for places that boats can't get in so still a very active situation. we'll continue to keep you updated. >> thank you very much. and it's not just the united
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states. in japan, the quote heaviest rains ever have washed away homes, hospitals and disrupted mobile phone services and cut off water and power. in india, monsoon rains brought 2% more rainfall than normal. in china, employers across much of that country were ordered to limit outdoor work because of extreme heat while some residents move into underground air raid shelters to keep cool. in south africa, below freezing temperatures and snow for the first time since 2012. joining me now, professor at university of pennsylvania, michael mann. michael is the author of the forthcoming book, our fragile moment, how lessons from earth's past can help us survive the climate crisis. it's happening here in the united states. around the world.
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extreme weather disrupting lives. making it harder to live. harder to survive. what are we doing anything right now to meet this moment? >> thanks, good to be with you. we're not doing enough. no question about it. we're we're seeing some progress. the inflation reduction act has climate provisions. but there is still a lot of opposition. we're not yet seeing the action necessary. and we're seeing things get worse and worse. we sometimes hear the expression "a new normal," but it's worse than that. this is an ever-moving baseline of worsening climate impacts. more intense and frequent heat waves, wildfires, floods like we're seeing this summer. this only gets worse and worse if we continue to burn fossil fuels and load the atmosphere with carbon pollution. >> there are people out there who say that eventually we'll come up with the technology to
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cover all the facts around the sudden reversal by the pga tour. it's abandonment of its opposition to saudi sports washing and the saudis taking over this cherished iconic american institution. it's more than about sports. it's about the hypocrisy
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involved. >> senator richard blumenthal at a hearing today about the merger of the pga tour and saudi-backed liv golf. the attendance of 9/11 families who were shocked. they called the deal, quote, sports washing and labeled pga officials paid saudi shill. joining me, the golf channel's rich lerner. what did he mean when he was talking abouthypocrisy? >> a little more than a year ago commissioner jay monaghan of the pga said members of our tour will never have to apologize for being members, the not so subtle infence being that you do have to apologize if you're a member of the liv tour backed by an oppressive regime that silences critics, that murdered jamal
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khashoggi and now you want to be in business with these people? that's why senator blumenthal used such strong language, betrayal, lack of values and surrender. money, he said, is the reason the pga tour surrendered. >> how did the pga defend itself today? >> well, i think they tried to make the case that they had no other option, arguing that had they continued to go down the path they were on, that the saudis would have ended up outspending them in a financial arms race that the pga could not win. i think they're trying to position this as the saudis have a minority stake if it all goes according to plan, they'll have a minority strake and they'll be not that much different than a number of other american enterprises like, say, uber which has minority saudi investment. senator blumenthal countered this is different than uber. they're trying to, in his words,
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capture a cherished american institution. >> golf was on capitol hill. what does it say to you that small sport made it all the way to the halls of congress? >> we're a long ways from pebble beach, aren't we? the saudis want legitimacy. they want a seat at the table. golf gives them all of that, given the high-end demographic that's defined the sport for so long. the question is, at what cost? we know it's a cost the saudis can bear, but can golf? how much reputational damage is done to the sport over the long haul. that remains to be seen. >> thank you. we appreciate it. "deadline white house" starts right now. hi, everyone. it's 4:00 in the east.
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late last night we got the clearest sign yet that donald trump's third run for the presidency is nothing more than a legal defense strategy. a filing from trump's legal team asks judge aileen cannon to delay indefinitely the start of this trial. quote, while timing is important in any criminal matter, it could be hugely consequential in trump's case in which he stands accused of illegally holding onto 31 classified documents after leaving the white house and obstructing the government's repeated efforts to reclaim them. if the trial is pushed back until after the election and trump wins, he could try to pardon himself after taking office or have his attorney general dismiss the matter entirely. the times goes on to report that trump has seen winning the presidency as a literal get out of jail free card against what is a steadily mounting pileup of legal exposure. trump curly

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