didn't have a dog, she brought a stuffed animal on a cart, just to help the father of three and grandfather of five, celebrate turning 100. >> they were mostly strangers. they were. and it just makes you feel wonderful about your community, the people would come out and do that for your dad that you love so much. it was really special. >> a positively memorable birthday. in san jose, marianne favrow, nbc bay area news. >> so from the 11th hour we want to wish a very happy 100th birthday to robert. i am not going to say it looks like you made some for ever friends, because that is just a coin corny for me, but the story is not. and on that note, i wish you a very good night. from all of our colleagues across the networks of nbc news, thanks for staying up late with me. i'll see you at the end of tomorrow.

tomorrow >> imagine the roof if the 50 odds that you had just been chosen as one of the first people in to decide whether to criminally indict donald trump. that may very well be the case for the grand jurors who were just seated in fulton county georgia. today about 100 georgians showed up at the superior court of fulton county in atlanta. and for the sake of the privacy, we are not going to show you any of them but you can see, fulton county district attorney fani willis was there. she is right there. now the judge sent about half of the potential jurors home. the other half he directed to one side of the room, towards the other. they were split into grand jury a and grand jury b. h one was made up of 20 jurors

plus alternates. now other than a $25 a day these grand jurors will get further, time they may also get the chance to make history. for more than two years, now fani willis has been investigating trump's alleged election interference in the state of georgia. last, year the da paneled a special grand jury that heard from a grand total of 75 witnesses. the four woman of that special grand jury have since told the press that the jurors recommended indictments for multiple people on a range of charges. but that special grand jury did not have the power to indict on its own. to bring an indictment, da willis needs the approval of a regular grand jury, like the two that were seated today which happened and the timeline remains unclear, when might they issue an indictment? earlier this year, we listened a letter to the fulton county sheriff, allerting him to the need for heightened vigilance and security between today and september 1st. because at some point in that timeframe and the day will announce her charging decision in this case.

now two months ago willis got even more specific. telling the chief judge of the superior court that the staff will be marking remotely from july 31st to august 18th and that she is requesting fulton county judges do not schedule in-person hearings during that time. the idea with that seems to be keep the amount of people of the courthouse to a minimum for their safety. in case, say, people are riled up over, i don't know? a big deal criminal indictment. so here are the dates these grand juries are empaneled. here are the dates that fani willis has indicated that she is likely to indict. do you see the overlap? this is all right around the corner. so buckle up, grand jury be starts on thursday. grand jury a starts on monday. and, then down in florida, on tuesday which is just a week from today, we are expecting another key decision in another case against trump. tuesday it will be the first hearing in special counsel jack

smith's case about trump's handling of classified documents down at mar-a-lago. late last, night team trump formally asked the judge to overseeing the case to postpone this criminal trial until after the 2024 election. obviously, whether that case sees the light of day before after the 2024 election has major implications and it poses the possibility of trump being able to preemptively pardon himself before the case actually runs its course or to get his attorney general to stand down on prosecuting it. so the timing here is a major decision. we anticipate the judge in this case will make a decision either shortly before or shortly after that tuesday hearing. again which is just a week from today. so to recap, we have maybe the most important decision in the mar-a-lago case, right around the corner. we have a potential indictment in the fulton county case, also around the corner. but then on top of all of, that we have this. andrew weissmann, lead prosecutor in the mueller

investigation, a former chief of the fraud section of the department of justice. and importantly, a legal expert who is pretty damn judicious about not getting over his skis. andrew weissmann posted this on the new social media platform, you may have heard of it, threads. hearing the vague rumblings that a federal january six indictment may be soon. would not surprise me as i think jack smith will want to try his case before the georgia case. joining us now are tali haiti weinstein, a former federal and state prosecutor in new york and joyce vance, former u.s. attorney for the northern district of alabama. ladies, thank you for being here. i am sorry to use the colorful language but wow. all that is happening, all that may have been tallied, first of what is your assessment of the

notion that jackson mid may want to get ahead of even da willis on a potential january six related criminal indictment of donald trump. >> i think what andrew said makes perfect sense, because the subject matter of his january six case as opposed to his mar-a-lago case overlaps with what fani willis is looking at, you know looking for those extra votes and the interference with the certifying of the electors in georgia. generally, the feds want to go before prosecutors and get to go before state prosecutors when charges are available in both jurisdictions. and he is the one who is making it part of a bigger network of crimes of election interference around the country. so i think that is right, that this has a little lit a fire under him and as she said she is posted a million different ways exactly what her timeframe is. sort of sounding like i count invites to the navy. >> joyce i mean we know that rudy giuliani has been interviewed by federal

prosecutors in this case. mark, meadows mike pence and the central characters of trump and the january 6th plot have all testified in front of the prosecutors. or in front of the grand jury. we are talking about three weeks here. do you think we might see a federal indictment of the former president or at least charging decisions in the next three weeks? as it concerns january six? >> so it is tough to make those gases and even prosecutors themselves sometimes don't know for certain exactly one indictment will drop. there is some fine tuning, that might have to be done with evidence towards the end of that preparation time. but the timeline does make a lot of sense. we are about to enter into the campaign season. things will begin to pick up, prosecutors of course like to avoid interfering during that sort of process with something as astonishing as the indictment of one of the leading candidates. even though here it has been a long anticipated. and doj summer calendar makes a little bit of sense here. typically, you see people prepare and finalize things in

late july or perhaps in one of the first two weeks of august. so i think the calendar may dictate that but alex, it's a little bit unusual of a situation here because doj of course has that first year where they did not appear to be any investigative activity. the united states attorney's office in atlanta, which would've had jurisdiction over these charges that fani willis is looking at and apparently is prepared to indict on, they did not pursue them. that was what led to her entry into this race. she has a good bit of time ahead of jack smith. there is no indication that they've worked together to coordinate or even to divvy up charges. she has had conversations with a number of instate georgia republicans, those who were involved in preparing fake slates of electors. she could have charges internal to georgia that she would be able to indict. but by all appearances, she is looking at a much larger

conspiracy, one that really may bump into the evidence that jack smith has. it will be interesting to watch this unfold. >> you know, tally i was speaking with attorney general letitia james, the de g and she said that depending on the timeline of jacks mitt's case, she would adjourn her case. she also named jack alvin bragg and fani willis tangle if they go ahead with potential criminal indictment on january 6th, then we would adjourn our cases. joyce, i think massively laid out the way fani willis has been on top of this well before the feds. i mean do you think she stands down on something like this? given the fact that didn't do anything for so long? >> well a. g. james, it's in a different position because she has civil charges. the civil case against donald trump and so, you know those federal crimes, state crimes and then exactly.

several charges in order of importance. but, remember georgia is a two-step process and so the investigative grand jury that gather the information that she needs in order to present indictments to the grand jury that is convened today has already done its work. so joyce, it's absolutely right that she has a head start there. jack smith also is joining this other case at mar-a-lago that has some timing challenges of its own. so that is also were a lot of his focus must be. and in that one, you know we have this motion last night that trump made aboutde laying indefinitely and it is not reasonable to ask for indefinite delay and some of his reasons are not persuasive in the least. the truth is, the clock is on his side. you know i actually wondered why he did this because he could've said i want to vindicate myself and prove my innocence. and then just slowly whittle away at the timeline and push out that case past the point where doj cannot really pursue it because we are in the heat

of the election season. and i think that might still happen even if judge cannon says no. i will not delay this inevitably. >> joyce, i think tali brings up the mar-a-lago request and the delay indefinitely on the part of trump's defense team. one of the things that i found particularly interesting in their argument was the idea of rebutting the contention of the special counsel that this is not a novel case. jack smith said this thing can be handled expeditiously because we are not reinventing the real here. this is not a novel case. trump's defense team sort of makes the opposite argument saying, you know, this is the first test of the intersection of the presidential records act and various criminal statutes. do they have a case to be made here? who is right on this question, as you see it?

>> so i think that jack smith has the better argument here but it's important to say that donald trump has due process rights as a defendant. so this won't matter. they are entitled to have sufficient time to prepare their case. it would be on appeal, convictions could be reversed if they were given that opportunity. so the judge will have to be mindful of that, but at the same time, although this defense motion is very well written by trump's new legal team, it just simply does not carry any weight. they're asking for no trial date, whatsoever without indicating they would be willing to waive their speedy trial rights and the much better practice would be for the judge to set a date and tell the defendants look, if you guys have legitimate problems as discovery gets underway, come to me and we can talk about that. but for now the government has represented that things can move quickly. it's a little bit disingenuous for trump's lawyers to complain about how long the process has taken when they have failed to

comply with the judge's order to complete all of their paperwork. so that attorneys can get security clearance. she issued that order three weeks ago saying get your paperwork and and that still is not done. so she has a decision point coming. is she serious about making sure that the people who have a right to have a speedy trial, that they get that or will she line up with trump? >> yes i mean their excuse about the discovery process that it's over 800,000 pages of material in a sort of like my complaint in college when i could not get a test. there's too much reading, you have to give me more time. i mean when it comes to highly can, and given the embarrassment she suffered in the special master debacle, where is your money on her trying to be a little bit more, shall we say conservative, not politically by just in terms of the scope of her ruling on something like this? >> so they slapped are pretty

hard and she must be chastised by that with the whole four way that we had into the special master with the documents, it slowed down some of the development of this case and i do think it is unreasonable and unprecedented to say we cannot set a trial date after all. so i expect her to do the reasonable thing and to set a date and as joy said, they can keep coming back and i expect that they will, team trump and saying, we cannot get this done in that time. we can get this other thing done in that time and remember it is not just top, it's also like the expression that you are only as happy as your least happy kid. get you can only move as fast as your slowest defend it and he also contributed to delay, you can get his lawyer, anytime he has and think this is going to be just kind of a slog for jack smith because it is a complex case. there is a lot of paper. even motions that are relatively weak like this challenge of the pra, you know against the rules around national security information, even weak motions take time to

answer. >> yes, it is coming up the works in the name of delay. we have seen that, before tali farhadian weinstein, joyce vance, thank you for your expertise. thank you for your time tonight. speaking of trump's legal troubles, specifically the episode and trump's federal and criminal indictment where prosecutors say he waved around classified documents in front of people with zero security clearances. and wait until you hear it from one of the reporters at the center of the story. plus, we are going to talk to transportation secretary pete buttigieg about everything from the raging floods that have devastated the northeast to republican hypocrisy. stay with us.

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insight into exactly how he ended up in this situation to begin with. if you remember, one of the key thing special counsel jack smith pointed out in his criminal indictment was a recording of trump back in july of 2021. on that tape trump criticizes his former joint chief of staff general mark milley. and apparently, he waves around a secret pentagon document in front of people who did not have security clearance to look at it. this is part of that tape. >> well with milley, let me see that, i'll show you an example. he said that i want to attack a ron. isn't that amazing? this was him. they presented, me this is off the record, but they presented me this. this totally wins my case, you

know, except it is like highly confidential, secret. this is a secret information. >> we now know what likely prompted trump to go on that rant in the first place. just days before, on july 15th, of 2021 the intrepid susan glasser of the reporter that general milley was extremely worried about what trump might do to try and stay in power after losing the 2020 election, including possibly attacking iran. now that coverage appeared to infuriate trump, who then, according to prosecutors, waved classified documents in front of his guess that would seem to exonerate trump as the source of any iran attack plan. so with susan glasser's reporting that may have put the bee in donald trump's bonnet and intern given rise to one of the most shocking pieces of evidence in this whole case. as she puts it, that tape, this damning evidence against trump would not exist if not for his rift with general mark milley. joining us now to talk about the remarkable feud between trump and milley for the very first time on television is the great susan glasser.

staff writer at the new yorker. susan it is great to see. thank you for coming up to chat onset. what was your reaction when you heard this tape for the first time? was it like, as sounds like trump? >> definitely sounds like trump. donald trump is a big believer in the weaponization of information. that is what he is trying to do there and of course, you know that is very much in keeping with his style. you know it is also an example of the big mouth getting donald trump in trouble. he does not text very much, or if at all. he does not sign emails but what he does do is talk and talk a lot. he seemed to be completely oblivious that the tape recorders were on there. >> and your reporting on him, and your conversations with, him i mean how characteristic was this behavior? was that something that happened a lot? they sort of petty grievances and feuds animating just random conversation? >> absolutely, i mean donald trump is you know sort of a

fulminator. i tried to do an interview with, then we did two interviews with him for our book, the divider that came out last year. you don't have to, say it was not really an interview so much is an extended dialogue. at one, point a try to lift all of the people that you sort of randomly criticized and it was not just mark milley. let's just say. >> yes but milley? if you were to believe the importance of it, i mean the fact that he is waving around classified documents that were drafted for him, presumably at his direction, right from the department of defense. the fact that he is so intent on exonerating himself over this alleged iran attack plan suggest to me that the millie feud got to him in a sort of visceral way. or do you think there are other people that rose to that level of indignation? >> well no, i think that there was something about mark milley. there was this wave of books that w're starting to come out in the spring of 2021. remember, donald trump was in exile, he was furious, it was not at all clear that he was going to reemerge as the unchallenged leader of the republican party, the front runner for 2024 that he is right now.

back, then he was really feeling much more on the ropes. so this reporting that i did, this reporting i did just five days later, he is the one who is bringing this up. by the, way it also shows how he completely did not understand you know the role of either the chairman of the joint chiefs or his own role as the president. the idea that the pentagon having the existence of the iran war plan but somehow being a damning political fact. the pentagon would not be doing its job if it did not have war plans for various scenarios. but also he says in that tape that we just heard, well this is off-the-record. it is off-the-record. it actually shows up not only in the statement but in mark meadows's book that is published in november of 2021. >> yes mark meadows actually lays the bread crumbs for this tape in print. i have to ask because you make note of the fact that this all is happening at a period where trump is licking his wounds. where's future is uncertain. we have reporting that a, look i believe claims that white house staff will worry while

trump was president that he was showing classified materials to random people. do you think that the documents, and there are a lot of them, that he held on to may have been used in other instances. i am asking you to sort of surmise them, you don't have a definite answer for but given this sort of promiscuousness with which he is waving his documents around. the reporting that this also, this kind of behavior happened while he was president, would you assume there were more incidents like westminster happened in his post presidency? >> well let's just say we will see when the trial actually happens but i would be very curious to see what additional evidence or is to suggest. this our reporting for the divider absolutely, we spoke with multiple national security officials who worked for donald trump throughout his four years. that was a persistent theme, almost from the very beginning of his tenure in the white house was this concern that he was being reckless with classified information.

he was talking on unsecure phones that was something that hr mcmaster, his second national security adviser, john bolton, they all worried about this. our allies, there was questions about what kind of intelligence donald trump my chair. there was a concern about what their allies would even be more withholding of intelligence. because they were so worried about what donald trump might say about it. >> trump has long been obsessed with, as you point out, being on the inside. having the access, having the power. an extension of that inclination i think is his obsession with military, generals? right he was kind of from the beginning of his presidency, from the outside he was obsessed with the generals. my general is keeping them close to his vest. i think it is really remarkable that we have this million student, which reflects so poorly on donald trump. and, now we have reporting from the times about john kelly. former white house chief of staff, who has some damning testimony, under oath about

just how poor trump's character was. just how poor trump's character was in terms of his recklessness while in office. his orders to and best to gator team personalities with the irs, to work behaving well in trump's eyes. and the fact that there has been such a break with these men who once held in such high esteem, i wonder how much you think that animates all of this grievance in the post presidency? >> well i do think for that reason that his feud with general milley particularly stuck in his craw. you pointed out about john kelly and there's another example in our book. dozens and dozens of times. not just once, donna chant the mandate that is enemies have their security clearances taken away. people like, john brenda for example and this was something where he sought to weaponize the machinery of government. also to weaponize information which is what he is doing there with general milley. milley particular infuriated him because he chose himself. he tried to basically, embarrass and undermine jim

mattis who was the defense secretary who is feuding with. he thought what i would pick this guy, general milley instead of the preferred choice who was an air force general, of mattis. and it really did not work out but, again i would just like to point out that this kind of a feud between the top uniformed, non political, military officer and the commander-in-chief is almost without precedent in modern american history. it is something that really struck at sort of the foundations and this began back during the election or in 2020. this is some of the most really extraordinary reporting that i've ever done. the idea that we came this close to weaponizing basically and politicizing the u.s. military in trump's vain quest to stay in power after 2020. that is the context, year there was a domestic element to it. trump sitting in the oval office discussing openly with advisers whether he could somehow declare martial law in order to seize voting machines. so this was a nightmare

scenario. that is the phrase that milley used with others. he said this is a nightmare scenario. he said that he was worried about the possibility of a reichstag moment where trump would essentially use the military to seize power and then there was an international component to. the fear that he would get us into an escalating crisis with iran, again as a part of this effort to stay in power. this is something really unprecedented in american history. >> it's incredible reporting and my oh my, what it has set off in terms of a chain reaction. susan glasser, thank you so much. welcome back. please come back all of the time. still to come here, tonight protesters came out in force today as iowa legislators convened a special session to take away the rights. boston, it comes to government spending, republicans say one thing in washington and then said the very opposite back at home. we will talk about it with transportation secretary, pete buttigieg. that is next. imagine you're doing something you love. rsv could cut it short.

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a new broadband access. the problem for senator tuberville, alabama received that 1. 4 billion dollars in new broadband funding because of joe biden's bipartisan infrastructure bill, a bill that republicans and that are tuberville voted against. and there is a similar tweet from republican senator john cornyn. celebrating the 3. 3 billion dollars in federal funds that texas received to expand broadband in that state. as you can probably guess. senator cornyn also voted against the biden infrastructure bill, that was responsible for that influx of funding. in south carolina, it was republican congresswoman nancy mace touting a new bus project in her state that was, again, made possible by that very same infrastructure bill, which nancy mace also voted against. in fact, when the bill passed, congresswoman mace called it a fiasco, and a socialist wish list.

u.s. transportation secretary pete buttigieg was asked about the republican highway topography when he wasn't nancy mace, his home state last month. >> [inaudible] >> well, [laughter] i would say welcome aboard. >> transportation secretary buttigeig joins me now mister secretary, your magnanimity is impressive in that moment, but i have to ask what is the biden white house plan for making sure americans know who voted for these -- by my count a majority of republicans in the senate voted against this infrastructure bill that will bring 110

billion dollars for road and mitchell pair, 39 billion dollars to modernize transit, seven and a half billion in electric vehicle charges. these are big investments that they voted against. so is there any kind of messaging strategy here to correct the wrongs? >> well, look i think it's important for these members of congress for their constituents to know where they stood. when we were fighting to get this money in the first place, remember this bill even though bipartisan and even though we are proud of the strong bipartisan majorities that passed it in the end, they spelled the not come easy. it was declared dead multiple times. the president kept fighting for it, congressional democrats kept fighting for it, and some congressional republicans crossed over to work with president biden and work with democrats to get it done. many others stood in the way and denounced it as wasteful spending,, as socialism. of course, what's remarkable as it turns out that they don't think it is socialism when it's coming to their district. they think it is so great that they want to be at the press

conference, this and press releases touting their advocacy for it. sometimes they even describe themselves as having secured it, which is obviously, you know it is hard not to chuckle at that sitting at the department of transportation that is approving some of these grants are knowing that other departments in the biden - harris administration are making the decisions to send this money to these constituents but i think what we are demonstrating is look, we are going to send this funding where it is needed. this is places that are red, blue and purple. we will not punish any american for the shortsightedness of their elected officials. if there is a deserving project, and i have been in a lot of red, blue and purple states recently was in eastern kentucky. the -- lake project, there that will mean a lot to the communities of jackson, an appalachia community that was devastated by floods last year. and in repairing state route 15, we are also going to be able to elaborate bare the dam that sits under it and make that community safer from flooding.

it's a big priority for governor beshear who is also a big supporter of this bill. and i will tell, you when i got, that we were talking about government and republicans and we were saying how this would save lives. i wasin grand forks north dakota where we celebrated the work that was going on there with the railroad crossing. they've been wanting to get rid of since the early 1990s because it cuts the town into. we are finally able to do. it these are good projects and you, know the sound of a bad policy is that people who pushed it abandon it later on. the sign of a good policy is even the people who fought it and stood in the way of the time, come to support it. i wish they would be a little more straightforward and maybe even go so far as to acknowledge that they were wrong when they said that this infrastructure bill was a bad idea. and they were wrong to call it socialism, as evidenced by the fact or at least wrong to denounce it as socialism and wasteful spending. if it is socialism, then it seems to be socialism that these republicans love when it's coming their way. >> yes i, mean i understand the

sort of like ha ha, the irony of it. it is in some ways hilarious but is also kind of quietly devastating, right? this is a party that fights tooth and nail against quote unquote government overreach and then lies to the american public about it's very positions and then spends a lot of time and a lot of ink and a lot of you know, denouncing the biden administration and calling it some of the worst names in the book. some of it has had the intended effect which is to erode americans confidence, not only in government, and what it can do but in this president in particular. as you rightly point out, these are important projects that touch red and blue and purple states alike. and i think some democrats in particular, it enrages them that this administration does not get the credit and democrats don't get the credit that is due in terms of passing these big pieces of legislation, envisioning change in the country, and moving it forward. do you think more needs to be done?

wpa style stamp or maybe signing things like donald trump was wanting to do. does there need to be more of an effort to correct the record? >> yes, i do think we should not be shy about making clear who was for and who was against this work. you will see that in terms of certain late me and cabinet colleagues hitting the road, the president and vice president hitting the road. you can see that in terms of the story we are telling, signage, things to let people know how their tax dollars are being put to work. i will say that you, know it actually represents progress that these republican congressional members who voted no on the bill are talking about these projects. even if there is some obviously, rich irony in them trying to take credit for the projects. i have to say, it is actually good news that they are talking about it because another pattern that i have seen, especially in the ecosystem of media on the right is they almost never talk about the projects at all. you know i can go to ten different states, including

conservative and rural areas, delivering fantastic projects and then maybe along the way i will comment about why we care a great deal about an issue like equity. i will see some of these political figures and some of these media environments denouncing us for being so obsessed with quote unquote social issues that we are not taking care of the basics. but when we take care of the basics, they tend not to be there to talk about it or to cover it. i am saying this you, know not to be snarky but honestly, it really is progress to have them at least acknowledging that these projects are happening. even if it comes in the form of them taking care, taking credit or trying to take credit for projects that they also try to block when it came time to get it funded. but in the end, people hold their elected officials accountable for the choices that they make, we certainly expect that. we expect to be held accountable for the policy consequences of the policies that we had on occasion.

and i think we both are pretty smart, they will connect the dots on who was there and who was not there. to actually get the funding that is delivering broadband to rural areas, that is getting rid of railroad crossings and places that is needed to be done for a long time. it is helping us fix roads and bridges that have needed to be fixed, helping us improve airports at a time when we have recently recorded the highest number of passengers ever in american history. as a part of the july 4th weekend, we know we need the infrastructure to keep up with that growing demand. i think people are going to see very clearly who stood where and of course we will not hesitate to remind them. >> i have to ask you quickly, because your a busy many multitask, even a presidential candidate before. what do you make of the fact that donald trump says he can't -- he can't have a trial over his mishandling of classified information while he is running for president? do you think that is a good line of defense, for someone,

himself, has run for president before? >> you know, look the important thing is america, not just an individual, but our country can handle a lot of things at once. i'm not going to speak to the law enforcement process playing out. it is appropriate in our system that has nothing to do with politics in terms of the process that's followed, certainly all i know is what i see on the news. look we are grown-ups. this is a country that has a lot on its plate. this is a country that needs to handle everything from processes in our courts to the policy processes that i'm involved with every day, on everything from supporting the national airspace at its busiest time in u.s. history, to making sure we get these roads and bridges fixed, making sure we get these trains and tunnels done, making sure we get this, all this transportation funding out the door and help communities that need it. >> there is a lot to talk about on that front. please come back, transportation secretary pete buttigieg. thank you so much for your time tonight sir. appreciate it. i know you are busy. >> thank you, good being with you. >> we have more to come this evening, including a visit from

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protesters filled the hallways of the iowa state capitol today, where they clashed with antichoice activists. they were all there because the republican-led house and senate are meeting right now. in a special session to advance a bill that would ban nearly all abortions in iowa after six weeks of pregnancy, which is, of course, before most people know they are pregnant. the republican governor of the state, ten reynolds, called the special session after i was supreme court deadlocked last month and a vote that left a previous six-week ban permanently locked. that means that, for now iowa allows abortion up to 20 weeks of pregnancy. by contrast, several neighboring states banned the procedure in almost all cases. if the legislature moves as fast as expected, it could pass this bill and send it to the governor tonight. that means iowans could lose abortion access in just a few hours. it is not what they want. 61% of iowa adults think abortion should be legal in all or most cases. yet, iowa is poised to join the

14 states that have banned most abortions since the supreme court overturned roe last year. if you remember voters across the country responded to those bans by turning out to vote in november, which flipped state level republican strongholds and suppressed a predicted red wave. abortion could be a defining issue in 2024 as well. as iowa lawmakers gather for the special legislative session, republican presidential hopefuls are in iowa, making their case to the people who will take part in the first republican nominated contest, the iowa caucuses. protesters have not been shy in confronting the candidates on abortion. we are going to talk more about the issue in the 2024 presidential race with americas sweetheart, my colleague, steve kornacki, that is coming up next. stay with us. it helps remove odors 3x better than detergent alone. it worked guys! ♪yeahhhh♪ downy rinse and refresh.

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the state capital tonight, debating ahead of a vote that would ban abortions in the state, before most people know they're pregnant. even though the majority of the state, like the majority of the

country, supports abortion rights, it is still going to be one of the biggest issues in the presidential race next year. joining us now to break it all down is steve kornacki, msnbc national political correspondent, and, of course, america's sweetheart, steve. thank you for wearing a jacket and being here. how have these fights over abortion shaped the american electorate? >> it is interesting and complicated, because you show this in your setup there, broadly speaking, when you ask the question about, should abortion be legal in the country, there is broad, wide support there. in all of these states, even red states, like iowa, where you've had the six weeks bands proposed, and potentially implemented here, there is broad opposition to that. that is definitely a core element of this. where it gets complicated, i think, the politics get complicated, you take a state like iowa, they had a governor's race last year. the governor kim reynolds was the incumbent, and she was signaling this was on her priority list. this was on her agenda. she was going to push for the six-week ban.

in the face of the polling like you showed of broad opposition to that six-week ban, she won the route. you look at georgia, brian kemp got reelected by eight points. he ran on a six-week ban. was part of the platform. he got reelected and, at the same time, herschel walker is losing the senate race. >> how do you square that? you were mentioning in the, break kim reynolds, governor of iowa, has an 88% approval rating. what is going on in the minds of voters they could say, once we are opposed to the signature issue, but we also support this governor overwhelmingly? >> yeah, i thought georgia last year was such an interesting example. because that clash between herschel walker and brian kemp basically running on the same set of issues, on the same ticket, in the same state and would have won easily and one lost. the wildcard there and the x-factor ended up being in 22, donald trump. it ended up being that kemp had

that distance from trump, and walker didn't. what swung swing voters in both georgia in 2022, it was more the trump factor, the january 6th factor, than it was the abortion factor. it is very interesting to me, camp was poised to sign the six-week ban. he got reelected, herschel walker said, i've got the same position and he lost. >> it was personal, a personal relationship he had with trump, and the relationship kemp apparently had with the georgia voters. what about iowa as a presidential battleground here? we now know trump has had the governor in his sights because she has not endorsed him yet. what is your expectation about the ability of anybody to breakthrough right now given the strength of trump's numbers? if it is going to -- i guess if you keep in mind trump did lose identity 16 by three points to ted cruz. he is oh for one and i was so far. the polling give seen so far and iowa, this time around, completely different. i think the theory, for so many of these candidates, is it has got to start in iowa. they've got to use these next few months in iowa to build that support the old-fashioned way, the grassroots way in iowa,

to trust, to hope, to pray that, somehow, that style of politics still works in a state like iowa. then they are counting on a slingshot effect. if you could beat them once and i, what can you roll them into new hampshire, can you roll it down south? the one thing that will never happen to trump in 2016 in the republican primaries, he never lost two big contests back to back. he always had the answer for the loss. he lost iowa, he bounced back in new hampshire. he lost wisconsin, he bounced back in the mid-atlantic states. he always had an answer. if somebody can come forward here and put together a one-two punch against him, that would be something he hasn't seen before. >> steve kornacki's prediction corner. i like it, or strategy corner. >> strategy, more so. >> not prediction corner! to be clear, steve kornacki, my friend, thank you for closing out this show with me. that is it for us tonight. it's time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. good evening, lawrence.

>> good evening, alex. i am in a studio that is in an undisclosed location, and in one of the 50 states. actually, it isn't one of the three states i hang out in. i couldn't see the shot of steve is it the same jacket? >> well, i mean, steve and i never did a show together though we do have a constant mind meld, i'd say, right? i think it is evening steve or i guess we cease evening steve without the jacket. maybe it is -- what a gentleman. let's applaud it. >> there it is. >>? >>