the most exposed areas pay the price. >> all right, ben keys, who has been a really key resource on us, thanks very much. >> thanks for having me. >> that's all in on this wednesday night. alex wagner tonight starts right now. good evening, alex. ts>> chris, the absolute catastrophic vulnerability of people living on the florida coastline, for example, is just not even part of the conversation. it is staggering when you look at the actual data. >> yes. again, we talked a lot about florida, all of this in california wildfires, but these risks are coming for everyone. in all different kinds of ways. they're coming for everybody, and they are going to permanently alter everything about the structure of these markets, where we live, how we build. >> and the psychology of being american, which is not really counting for a lot of vulnerability. anyways, buckle up. thank, you my friend. and thank you to you at home for joining us this evening. since it was founded in 1935,

the fbi has had only eight senate confirmed directors. those directors all have a few things in common. they are all white men. they all favor a clean cut look, and each and every one of them, every senate confirmed director since the dawn of the fbi has been a republican. that includes current fbi director, christopher wray, who was appointed by donald trump. and you would not get that impression, given the way the director wray's fellow republicans attacked him and his agency during a hearing today. on capitol hill. >> when the court says that the fbi misled, that is a nice way of saying they lied. >> how many individuals were either fbi, employees, or people that the fbi could make contact with, to be in the january 6th entry of the capital? i'm going to make the assumption is there is more than one, more than five, more

than ten. >> i will say that this notion that somehow the violence at the capitol on january 6th was part of some operation orchestrated by fbi sources into agents is ludicrous. >> your job is to review what they do. your job is to protect the american people from a tyrannical fbi storming the homan of an american family. >> i could not disagree with more with your description of the fbi as tyrannical. >> you preside over the fbi that has the lowest level of trust in the fbi's history. people trusted the fbi more when j edgar hoover when running the place. >> respectfully, in your home state of florida, a number of people applying to come work for us and to devote their lives working for us is over -- up over 100%. >> the american people fully understand there is a two tiered justice system that has been weaponized to persecute people based on their political beliefs, and that you have personally worked to weaponize the fbi against conservatives. >> i would disagree with your

characterization of the fbi. and, certainly your destruction of my own, approach. the idea that i am biased against conservatives's -- seems somewhat insane to me. given my own personal background. >> somewhat insane. that's also how republicans talk about the fbi, now somewhat insanely. it's not just on capitol hill, conservative media has also gone all in on this theory that the fbi is a weapon of the federal government that will attack conservatives. here's what coverage of that hearing, christopher wray looked like today on newsmax. >> anybody the defines themselves in the crosshairs of the fbi tends to be people that are politically problematic for the ruling elite. >> we're talking about multiple scandals, we're talking about spying on the united -- on the american people. we are talking about targeting catholics, targeting conservatives. >> nobody is happy with the fbi, no one. >> the reason that republicans have decided to make the fbi their target, the reason is

donald trump. the de facto leader of the republican party has been indicted by federal prosecutors, and he is facing more potential charges from another federal investigation. the former president has chosen to turn his party against the federal law enforcement agency which has traditionally been run at fellow republicans. that campaign has done more than just sour republican voters on the fbi, and so broad distrust in the justice system. it's also put fbi agents in real danger. the washington post reported last week that prosecutors who were working on the trump classified documents case are now facing a substantial harassment and threats online and elsewhere. as one extremism expert told the post, rather than see these giant swells of activity, we are seeing a smaller subset of individuals drilling down in a particularly intense way to find individual people to take out their anger on.

it's too risky for them to go into the streets right now, every time they do, even a little bit, there's a huge media frenzy, and a huge police presence. joining us now, tim half, former lead investigator for the house is january 6th investigation. and mary mccord, former acting assistant attorney for national security at the justice department. and of course, co-host to the end msnbc podcast, prosecute donald trump. tim, i would love to know from a personal perspective, given your involvement in interviewing witnesses for the january 6th investigation, how safe, how vulnerable did you feel in the course of those interviews, in the course of that investigation? >> alex, the best answer that i can give you is that every member of the select committee over the course of our work had to valence elves, escort protective service from the u.s. capitol police. adam kinzinger, a member of the select committee, had an infant child during the investigation,

and received a very vile threat at his home against his wife and that child. they were literally escorted from wherever they went in washington by multiple u.s. capitol police officers. that is unfortunately what working on these issues has come to. it is despicable and sad, and is something that did not hamper our work, but definitely impacted the way we went about it. >> mary, to sort of protect the people who were working on these important cases, for example the prosecutors working on the special counsel's probe into the january 6th, and also the mar-a-lago investigation. the post reports that the doj is trying to put the names of those officials secret, but of course their names are part of the discovery process, part of the files that the trump team is going to be able to look at in the course of these indictments. we now have the case according to the post that far-right

trump supporters or post in the names of the prosecutors and government workers online. my question to you would be, how much can we even expect the government to keep people safe in this current landscape? >> these are situations like tim said where if there are specific threats, targeted threats towards particular prosecutors, fbi agents, witnesses, that might require some sort of special security precautions. including a signing escorts, potentially even to people's homes and potentially even and stalling security systems if they don't have those things. the government, if we inspect the government employees, prosecutors, doing jobs that put them in risk, and the government has a responsibility to try to mitigate that risk. witnesses, all the more so. i think that that's one reason why we've got the protective order here, we're by the government provided a list of witnesses to the defense, but

on the condition ordered by the court is one of the conditions of his release where those witnesses names could be protected and not be distributed publicly. you can only take so many precautions. there is risk inherent in this, and we may be mentioned when i've been on with you before, tim and i both prosecutors for years and sometimes we would have threats against us. they are fungible, in another place, and -- extremists it's a completely different ball game. they don't seem to care about that, the extremist threats the rhetoric, is actual attacks don't factor into the account but that won't get rid of the problem. >> and can i follow up on that? in the wake of these indictments, whether it's alvin bragg, whether it's the mar-a-lago case, there is a sense of perhaps the danger

being neutralized, there hasn't been an outpouring. there hasn't been another january 6th style and direction against the courthouse, for example. really, that line in the washington post reporting, the nature of the threat is now different, where it is a smaller subset of individuals drilling down in a particular intense way to find individual people, and take their anger out on them. that really stood, out to me and mary, given your national security background, if you could explain that a little bit. >> that's exactly right. there's two points that i make, one is that is sort of part of the strategy of extremists right now. let's issue these big national things that will get us all arrested like an attack on the u.s. capitol, and let's get more decentralized, and localized with our extremism, including targeting people for richard russian. i the second thing i would say is this is what's so hard to protect against. i myself, and i know tim, been subject to plenty of online

threats. the question is, when is that threat just a bunch of bravado and drug show, and looking tough? let's say these really mean things about this woman, and when is it actually going to get in their car and track you down and try to actually harm you. it is just like the issue with lone wolf terrorists. they're usually not part of a big group activity. they oftentimes just act on their own. they act on their own very much inspired by and incited by disinformation, and what now is so popular, which is victimhood. the idea of a weaponization subcommittees because they're saying that the government is being weaponized against these people, and they are the victims. victimhood gives rise to people feeling like they can engage in acts of political violence, that those would be justified. who is going to engage in those acts? that is the real thing it is difficult for our law enforcement.

>> this hill, the assertion that the fbi is a readout to liberals intent on targeting conservatives. it bears mentioning that fbi director chris wray is a member of the federalist society, who clerked for michael luttig. he's a dog in the wool conservative, and i love your assessment about how deep the deep state might be in the trenches of liberalism given, you know, the claims made on capitol hill today. >> as chris wray himself said, alex, repeatedly today, the narrative that the fbi is somehow full of liberal deep state and anti trump, anti conservatives is ludicrous. chris wray is a pro. i disagree with chris on a lot of issues, but i respect his integrity. as i do with all of the men and women in the fbi who, in my experience is a former prosecutor, go about their very

important work with a great deal of integrity. they do make mistakes, and the tragedy of a hearing like today is that we are spending all of this time on these ludicrous issues of political fear, and not talking about real issues like how the fbi gathers information about mystic violent extremism. did the share information with others? do they put undue restrictions, first amendment -- association restrictions on their ability to monitor open source information? or is their assessment of the danger when it comes to intelligence afflicted with some implicit racial bias? these are huge issues in our work to identify, none of them absolve the former president and his coconspirators who caused the riot. but those conditions of law enforcement, how the fbi and other agencies prepare for and manage these events really deserves attention. we're not talking about that because we are going through this charade of the fbi to somehow be weaponized as part of the deep state. that, as christopher wray says,

is ludicrous. it prevents real discussion about important issues. >> not only is it missing the, point it might even be more malignant than that, which is that the former people who but -- that is liberal democrat plans. they are there as actors working in support of trump and his ends. i think jerry wise, for moore fbi supervisor charged in january 6th. mark abraham, and out of -- the agent at the time of his arrest. thomas caldwell, who claims he's a former section chief for the fbi. these people were working in law enforcement, and they were writing on january 6th. my question to you, tim, and also to you, mary, to what degree is the department aware of the bad actors within its ranks that might be furthering the causes of the former president? >> alex, there is no question that there is some current and former members of law enforcement in the crowd it

believed that the election had been stolen, and believed that false narrative. it's totally ridiculous to suggest that the fbi in any way instigated, caused, somehow motivated the riot. we looked very hard for evidence of that, and found absolutely none. as director wray said today. i think that line force menus to get serious about extremism and its ranks, as a recruiting matter and as a training matter, and ensure that they are doing all they can to ensure that the men and women they bring in aren't bringing some work ideology into the very real important responsibility. i think if they get, that and are on it, but this notion that they are either part of the deep state helping liberals or were somehow instigating the riot as a false flag operation is not based in fact whatsoever. >> mary, are we getting better policing extremism within the ranks of our own law enforcement agencies? >> we are certainly calling attention to, it and i think that certain law enforcement

departments are getting better about it. one of the things that i have been trying to spread the word on as much as possible over the last couple of years is that yes, police officers have first amendment rights, but those are not limitless. even when they are speaking, and their personal capacities about matters of public concern, if their speech or activity, or their association undermines the mission of the police department, the law enforcement agency that they are members of, it could be disciplined, including firing. the courts have been very clear about that for decades. i think that sometimes law enforcement hides behind the first amendment as a reason not to take action against extremism. that is just wrong as a matter of law, the substantial leeway there. just as there is in the military. and yet what we are seeing now as we've been making admirable military efforts to crack down on this. and you're actually now seeing attachments to the national defense authorization act, which is something critical piece of legislative, which

will need to be passed this year. we are seeing amendments to that, trying to dismantle those efforts within the military to eradicate extremism. for every step forward, it seems like there are books on capitol hill they want to take a few steps backwards. >> and a lot of them republicans, the very people who have committees dedicated to the weaponization of the federal government, the irony is too thick to slice. thank you both for your time tonight. >> thanks, alex. >> speaking of the donald trump and weaponization of federal government, we have explosive new reporting about what the former president allegedly wanted government agencies to do to his perceived enemies. that's coming up next. plus, a cautionary tale. for republicans who work to undermine american straight in elections, i'm not just talking about pillow sales. stick around for them. around for them.

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he was making fun of these two fbi agents, peter strzok and lisa page, who had worked on the investigation into the trump campaign's ties to russia. for taking part in that investigation, but start and play -- public attacks and the conspiracy theories and weird kisii noises from the then president. . they both left the department of justice, and so they both sued in the civil suit, alleging a privacy was violated when the department released text messages -- strzok is also claiming he was improperly fired. now something has come out of that lawsuit that is a lot more troubling than trump's published puppet show. john kelly, donald trump's former chief of staff, has given more testimony in that lawsuit. he has said in a sworn statement that donald trump, while he was president, discussed having the irs and other federal in agencies investigate lisa page and peter

strzok as retaliation for their work on the russian investigation. in other words, he tried to use the power of the federal government to punish his political enemies. the new york times has some additional reporting that it didn't stop with those two fbi agents. quote, mr. trump had, at times discussed using the irs and justice department to target others, including hillary clinton, amazon ceo jeff bezos, and former cia director, john brennan. joining us now is john brennan, who is both the former cia director, and in this current club of people targeted by the former president. dr. brennan, thank you for being here this evening. for those that had forgotten the way in which you have very plainly, volley been critical of the former president, i will read one of your choice tweets from, i believe this is march of 2018 addressed to the president at the time. when the full extent of your valid, the moral turpitude, and

political corruption becomes known, that you will take your rightful place as a disgraced demagogue in the despina history. nobody tweets like john brennan. director, it's reportedly this kind of statement that draw the ire of president trump, and basically put you on a retaliation last. can you talk about what it was like to be targeted by the president of the united states? >> since that time, i have been the target of many of the trump army in terms of their animosity, their hatred, and also the death threats. it is clear that donald trump will go to any lengths possible to use whatever opportunity that he has to be able to carry out these vendettas against those that he believe have harmed him. and so peter strzok, lisa page, and others. therefore, i shudder to think that if donald trump were to get back into office. what he were to do --

those institution of governance, power full organization, and the laws of this country, which he is so manipulated and distorted in order to advance his own personal agenda. when i think about what donald trump has done to the tenants of this great democracy, this great country of ours, it really just demonstrates the depth to which he will go in order to do anything to hurt, harm, and i think put a great risk to those who have the audacity to speak out against him. >> i love if you could talk more about the guardrails themselves. we know about this literal weaponizing of the federal government in this case, for example, the irs or doj is hiring and firing practices because of john kelly and his testimony under oath. i wonder the degree to which you think those guardrails hold if trump was reelected another four years. he is of course running for president. you intimated just now that you are concerned about it. institutionally speaking, can

the center hold? >> >> it's a good question. john kelly, who is a very close and colleague of mine, is also a close friend. he decided to do that job of chief of staff at the white house knowing that it was going to be difficult because he wanted to make sure that at least somebody was going to try to protect this country from ability of the abuses that donald trump might engage in. i have no doubt whatsoever that the things that john kelly has said in the statements, as well as many other things that trump is expecting more planning to do, or trying to do. if you don't have -- if you don't have people in the positions that are going to prevent the abuse of power by presidents and others, this is something that i think he is really going to just tear this country apart. we've already been deeply polarized, but again, you have somebody like donald trump, who's going to be the one to select the attorney general, probably going to fire chris wray. chris wray, who has been doing

a tremendous job, in my view, as he tries to avoid a partisan and political borders that he finds himself involved in. and so therefore i am just concerned that donald trump, again, who has a really well deserved reputation of being vindictive and using any type of tactical ploy did is of questionable, ethical and even legal basis to again, hurt is enemies. >> i wonder if there is a troublesome, the through the looking glass aspect to the republican war against the weaponization of the federal government. it's like the best gaslight ever, when it seems like based on the evidence we have, republicans and conservatives didn't been weaponizing the federal government. once you say the phrase enough, whether it's the left or right, my concern is the phrase itself becomes meaningless. you lose the importance of the evidence that backs it up. republicans on the house

subcommittees can talk about the weaponization of the federal government until they're blue in the face. without any evidence, it's meaningless. my worry is you say it enough then it then becomes meaningless even when you do have evidence, as you do in this instance with donald trump and lisa page, and peter strzok. does that concern you with all, that the gaslighting might be effective in the end? >> unfortunately, i think it is affecting the attitudes and sentiments of many americans. watching the testimony today by chris wray, and those questions that were being lobbed at him from the republicans. it was clear that they had several objectives. one was to put out these mischaracterizations, distortions, these lies in order for them to be replayed on the various right-wing networks, as well as for their own reelection purposes. secondly, i think that they're trying to discredit the investigations underway to really look into what donald trump did while he was in office, and then also after he was in office.

third, i think he is trying to intimidate chris wray and the fbi to try and prevent them from actually doing their work, investigating these leads as appropriate. the fact that the republicans are doing, this really is so surreal. republicans for so many years were known as the law and order party. the ones that were defending the law enforcement officers, the fbi, intelligence officials, and now the democrats are coming to the aid and rescue of the fbi intelligence community as a way to protect these institutions so that they are able to do their work despite the fact that they are being so condemned unfairly by these republican members of congress who only have their own very hyper partisan agendas as their goal. >> my concern is that institutional integrity has to be bipartisan, right? it's good that the democrats are trying to russian and preserve these important institutions of democracy. that in and of itself is the

problem for the country. right? it has to appear that republicans believe in them as well. it has become a plank in the republican party platform to sow mistrust in institutions in the government. how much hope do you have that there are efforts they can even be taken to mitigate this, given this absolute silence, the deafening silence at best from the crop of presidential candidates that are now running to lead the nation, and of course, the republican party. >> and it's not good, as you say, it needs to be bipartisan. national security and law enforcement, these have always been traditionally very strong bipartisan issues. and then both sides of the aisle can come together. when i see how these republicans are misrepresenting the facts and truth, and really trying to tear down these institutions that we, as american citizens rely on, i am hoping that we are going to find a way to get past this very difficult period of our national history. with donald trump and others

like him, behind in the rearview mirror, and move forward. is going to take some very strong, independent minded, and courageous republicans, both in the senate and in the house, to be able to say that this is wrong. sometimes they stand up and say, but then they forget it right away. they need to have to stand up to see and -- in a bipartisan fashion, with the democratic colleagues in a way to make sure that we preserve these institutions that again, keep us strong internally, and keep us strong from external adversaries. >> former cia director john brennan, the only person that i know of at this moment who has used the word caucus talk rusty in a tweet, and made it so deeply meaningful. still to come this evening, i was a new a six-week abortion ban is going to put presidential hopefuls in a very public political bind. plus, election denialism has

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session. the bill includes exceptions for the life of the woman and certain pregnancies resulting from rape or incest. certain groups including local chapters of the aclu and planned parenthood found a lawsuit to temporarily blocked that ban is the courts determine whether it is constitutional. even still, iowa governor kim reynolds plans to sign this newly-passed bill into law on friday afternoon. this republican governor does not want to sign her six-week abortion ban behind closed doors in the dead light like, for example, reveler governor john desantis, who announced his plan, ban at midnight was no reporters. he wants to air it here, and because her status was nominating contest and presidential cycle, this governor will have quite an audience. six republican candidates are slated to be there, excluding, notably i'll add, former president donald trump. ron desantis, mike pence, vivek

ramaswamy, nikki haley, have all signed up to attend his family life cement, and whether they like it or not through those candidates will take the stage in the afternoon session, which now features the signing of a six-week abortion ban as its opening act. joining us now is claire mccaskill, former democratic senator from missouri. clare, thank you so much for joining me. i would love for you to wear weigh in on the awkwardness of governor desantis and nikki haley now having to share the same zip code with the six-week abortion ban. >> it's interesting. desantis is running for president, so he wanted to hide the fact that he signed this bill. i'm not sure what the governor of iowa thinks she is accomplishing by this. but it certainly isn't speaking to most of america or even most of iowa. a 61% of iowans, this is a poll by the des moines register which has nationally recognized

is a very accurate pollster. and recently they polled and city 1% of iowans said they wanted abortions to be legal most of the time, safe and legal. 70% of iowa women say they want abortions to be safe and legal in most instances. only some 37% say they want it to be illegal in all circumstances. so she is not representing her state. she is playing to the far right crowd that has a firm grip on the republican party right now. and it is that part of the party that the six presidential candidates are going to be catering to on friday afternoon. >> it's almost like she didn't get the memo that you're supposed to sign the six-week abortion ban behind closed doors at midnight. the reality that this is just absolutely abysmal politics on the national stage. if you get out of the mud fight that is the republican primary, the polling on this isn't even a question. and therefore republicans are

making a craven calculation that they can do all of these things behind closed doors in primary season and that the public is going to forget about them when it comes to the general. and i wonder, claire, put on your pessimistic hat or your disillusion hat, if you would, for a minute, do you think there's any truth to that? do you think you can get away with something like what rhonda sanders is doing, which signage behind closed doors, sort of pretend it didn't happen, and then hope that placate the base enough to get through the primary and that never speculative again once you're a general election candidate. >> first of all, i don't think that's going to work in the first instance because, women. this feels personal to women. the supreme court has taken away or write that women have counted on for 50 years. women do not want the government telling them what to do with their own bodies and in their relationships with their families, with their own fate. the government doesn't have a

primary role in that instance. and women aren't going to forget this. i remember on meet the press after the dobbs decision, and i remember the republican panelist said,, counted a poll. they said everyone is talking about this abortion decision but people really aren't paying attention to it. it won't matter in the midterms. and i remember -- and i looking at each other across the table and looking and saying, he's wrong. he doesn't understand women care about this. they understand it. and women understand many times you don't even know your pregnant at six weeks. it is just the same as the missouri law which makes it illegal to have abortion in all instances from the moment of conception. >> i think it's notable that donald trump, who is so far sort of the only person who has raised a red flag around the abortion issue being perhaps terrible for republicans in an

election is not gonna be at this solemn summit. ron desantis, is the lucky guy, along with nikki haley, who gets to be in the afternoon session when this is sign. which, coupled with his attitudes on abortion in bali autonomy, gives rise to the latest reporting on ron desantis. even rupert murdoch has his doubts about ron desantis. mr. murdaugh was reported in the new york times that he is privately told people he would like to see governor glenn youngkin of virginia entered the right race. i get why this desantis campaign is not ringing true for a lot of republicans, including rupert murdoch, but the question is, do you think it's just delusional for them to believe that anybody but trump is going to be the nominee, or is the garage door not yet down on that? >> i think this is one of the big problems they have. they all know that if they can beat trump in iowa, it shakes the premise that he is unbeatable. in iowa the vast majority of

the republican voters that participated in their caucuses are white evangelical voters that are in line with the six-week abortion ban. so this has become a litmus test for all those candidates whose only hope for getting a win in the primary is to win in iowa. and that is why it is interesting that trump is not showing. up trump had a hard time there. he didn't win in 16 and frankly had to run around the state with jerry falwell to try to draw mop conservative evangelical support even in 2020, to do better than he had in the past. i think it's one of those things they're hoping this issue will think trump in iowa and they'll have a chance. but the irony is, they're going to sink all of them, because women are not going to forgive this. >> the governor is going to make sure of that as well. the great claire mccaskill. i really appreciate your time tonight.

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1... >> tonight, just hours after nominations were announced for the 75th emmy awards, the machinery of hollywood maybe coming to a grinding halt. the union representing 160,000 tv, film, and radio actors is threatening to go on strike at the stroke of midnight pacific time tonight. if contract talks with the major studios fail. if negotiators do not reach a deal the result would be a double whammy of historic proportions. actors with joy in hollywood writers who have already been on strike for the past ten weeks. the last time anything like this happened, that both actors and writers went on strike at the very same time, the last time this happened was 63 years ago. and leading those very tense negotiations in march of april of 1960 was a b list actor you

might have heard of. his name was ronald reagan. you can see him in this photo, standing second from the right, next to charlton houston. reagan was serving his second stint of as president of the screen actors guild, and he had helped spearhead a strike with the writers guild of america against the several major film studios. that is correct. two decades before he ushered in the modern era of conservatism, rooted in the idea of small government and slashing the social safety net and diminishing the power of organized labor, two decades before that, ronald reagan led the actor union, actors union, through bitterly gauche ea shuns, ones that ultimately secured investment dollars for a new union health insurance plan, a pension plan, and residuals for films produced after 1960. that was ronald reagan's handiwork. and today residuals are once again at the core of the demands of the actors union. they are asking to be consequence aided for their work appearing on streaming services. they are also demanding

safeguards from artificial intelligence as well as better compensation and better working conditions and better benefits. right now production is already shut down on abbott elementary and yellow jackets and stranger things because of the writers strike, and we're gonna find out in a few hours that even more so's have stopped production and whether this might just be the summer of strikes. that's our show for tonight. we'll see you tomorrow. and now it's time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. >> good evening, lawrence. >> i'm glad you out of the only union president in history to become president of the united states, ronald reagan. unique position that he holds in union history and presidential history. >> yes. who would have thunk it, all of it. union president and president. and what he did during the course of that presidency. >> alex, we have former attorney general eric holder joining us tonight and i am so eager to talk to him.