softball game to raise more than half a million dollars for breast cancer between the women in the press corps and women in congress, the press corps won 9-5, a big victory for the press against congress. that does it for us for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." follow us online and on facebook @mitchellreports. chris jansing starts right now. good day, i'm chris jansing live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. the danger signs are literally all around us, from catastrophic flooding and wildfires to punishing heat on an historic scale, the latest on the warn signs coming from planet earth itself, and what they tell us about what the future will look and feel like. plus, president biden just 120 miles from russia's border tells vladimir putin that even

as the fight goes on in ukraine, the result is already decided. >> there is no possibility of him winning the war in ukraine. he's already lost that war. and putin getting sharp new criticism from inside his own military ranks. i'll talk to former defense secretary william cohen whether all of this gets us any closer to a possible end game. and a third secretary of state says she's been interviewed by jack smith's investigators about donald trump's efforts to overturn the 2020 election. that official, michigan's jocelyn benson joining her counterparts in arizona and georgia as key figures in the federal probe. so what's next? but we begin with the brutal weather scorching the earth right now, records shattering across the globe with temperatures hotter than we have ever seen, and forecasts say there's no end in sight. as "the washington post" put it, it's as if every alarm bell on earth is ringing for a planet on

the brink. in the u.s., more than 82 million people are currently under heat alerts. phoenix is really sweltering. homeless encampments are being cleared out, the city offering cooling shelters as it braces for what's expected to be the single longest streak of days over 110 degrees in recorded history. so hot a 13-year-old in phoenix told "the new york times" she doesn't even go outside anymore. as she put it, she's just trying to survive. officials say arizona's grand canyon is a canary in the coal mine for the dangerous climate, right now seeing reduced visibility, extreme drought and wildfires. then there are the severe unprecedented recent storms as vermont begins recovering from devastating floods, a rare tornado system formed in mere minutes over chicago yesterday. look at this. it prompted city wide sirens

that stopped travel. just eerie how massive those clouds are. marissa parra is live from phoenix, and gary grumbach is in woodstock, vermont. so marissa, i feel terrible just having you stand out there. how is phoenix coping with this heat? and if it does go on and on as forecasts predict, are they prepared for the long haul? >> reporter: yeah, so i'll talk about how the city is preparing and how residents are coping in just a moment. but for those of you who are watching who are not from the area, who are not living here. i just got here. it feels like stepping into an oven. people have been dealing with these temperatures for two weeks. temperatures upwards of 110 degrees. it is relentless. the fire stations overwhelmed with phone calls from residents who were concerned. we've heard from people who have spoken to nbc talking about and showing us that they have their air conditioner running, and it's still not changing the temperature inside of their own home. some of them unable to afford

more air-conditioning, unable to afford resources that would allow that temperature inside of their homes to get even cooler. as you can imagine, two weeks of this and especially with no end in sight. even at night, those temperatures, those lows in the 90s. that is the low temperature at nightfall, so there's really no relief for phoenix residents. and if you can believe it, the terrifying thing here is that it's expected to get even hotter this weekend, by several degrees, upwards of 118 degrees. in terms of what people are doing, we know the salvation army just around the corner is packing heat relief boxes for residents. we know there are cooling shelters all around the area. now, while phoenix is full of cooling shelters, those cooling shelters in high demand. they're also full of other people, sometimes they're at full capacity. this is really a marathon. we know that one of the things people have been talking about, one of the things that we see is do not stay inside of a hot car. we know that some of the heat-related deaths have been as a result of people being inside

of those hot cars. we know some of those heat related deaths have also been a result of people being outside. so this is a really difficult situation. we know that when it comes to the deadliest weather events, heat, extreme heat is the deadliest form of extreme weather. so we know that people are staying cool the best that they can. you can see this playground behind me, chris. all of the playgrounds around here, my crew has been telling me, there has not been a single child on any of the playgrounds. hopefully everyone is staying inside and taking advantage of those cooling shelters when and where they can. >> marissa, i hope you and your crew can get into some air-conditioning now. thank you so much. we appreciate your report. so gary, what's the situation in vermont today? those historic floods really left a mess behind. >> reporter: they really did. let me give you a sense of where we are right now. we're in woodstock vermont about an hour south of mountmount,

montpelier. this was filled with fruits, vegetables fresh food for the folks of this community. now there's empty shelves. most of this equipment likely doesn't work anymore. they are still in the process of figuring that all out. these are thousands and thousands of dollars in damage. i want to introduce you now to amelia, she's one of the partners here at woodstock farmers market. what have the last 72 hours been like for you? >> it has been a roller coaster, from the time we got the news that the parking lot was beginning to flood to the time when about 12 hours later we were evacuated, we watched the water rise. we did what we could to get product off lower shelves onto higher shelves and just secure the building as best we could. we went through it 12 years ago with irene, so we sort of knew what to expect, but we were hoping for the best. >> so we're seeing a lot of people in the background here helping out.

what has the community outreach been like? >> well, you know, at 5:00 in the afternoon, water was up to our thighs in the parking lot. less than 18 hours later the parking lot was filled with volunteers wearing their woodstock farmers market t-shirts. our staff was here, everybody turned out be their boots on, shovels saying what can we do to help? it was absolutely amazing, and we got so much done in such a short period of time. >> that's what i'm hearing from folks all over woodstock. the community really came together. they're here to help but there is concern because later this afternoon and tomorrow governor scott has said there are severe storms on the way. >> oh, boy, all right, gary, thank you so much for that. we wish the folks of woodstock good luck. joining me now former national climate adviser for the biden administration and former epa administrator under president obama. it's so good to have you here. those are just a couple of snapshots of what we're seeing. it feels like just so much devastating weather of so many kinds in so many places has come on so quickly.

what is happening here, and what can we do about it? >> well, chris, what you're seeing is devastation that was somewhat anticipated. we knew that with the continued use of fossil fuels we're going to see those temperatures rise. and the sad thing is, chris, it's not a new normal at all. this is what's normal today, but if we don't take action soon, we are going to face a more extreme weather over and over and over in increasing places and with devastation. and the challenge is, i think, for all of us is that it hits the most vulnerable the hardest. you talked about kids not being able to get out, but it's the poorer communities, it's the elderly who can't afford air-conditioning, who can't figure out how to protect themselves, and it's not just in the u.s. you know, the devastation is

being felt and the challenges in the eu, it's being felt in china. it's being felt in india. so this is a worldwide challenge. and you ask what can be done about it. the simple answer is we have the knowledge and technology that we need to fix this challenge. we can stop this from getting worse, which is what we need to do, but it needs to be a global response, and every country needs to participate. you know, in the u.s. we saw during this administration, we saw three bills pass that provided $517 billion to actually drive new investment in cleaning in. this is what we need to do. soon the eu followed with a similar proposal. then the uk, but we're leaving the developing world behind. we're not able yet to muster both the public and the private sector support we need to make this a worldwide response that it needs to be.

but i'm hopeful -- >> there are people that would argue if i could interrupt for a second, that, yes, that's happening and it's important. but it's not enough even in the united states, even in europe. "the washington post" reports that scientists say the only question is when the alarm bells will finally be loud enough to wake people up. everyone's feeling it. climate protesters in germany stopped dozens of flights out of major airports today. the saharan dust storm en route to florida, air quality plumbing, i felt it here in new york and then when i was on vacation in cleveland from the wildfires in canada. people are suffering. could this be, do you think, the tipping point that forces further action, individuals, states, countries facing misery and billions of dollars in destruction? >> well, let me answer that by saying, chris, i can't find climate deniers anymore. when i started in this work, it was all climate deniers. everybody gets it, and we can't

to keep living in what the prime minister of barbados calls the world of superlatives. it's the hottest. it's the driest. all these things we need to be able to grapple with. the thing that brings me hope, however, is that we do have the answers. what we need to do is two things, the political will to actually move forward as a world because everything we do to focus on climate can make our lives better. it can actually lower costs for families. it can actually keep our world safer. it can make our economies more stable. it can grow jobs. this is what the investment in the u.s. is already seeing as a result of those three bills. but we need to act and we need to act now. and certainly we have people screaming across the world that now is the time. the question is can we muster up

the international political will to get it done, and how do we engage the private sector in this effort along with the public sector to actually elevate and accelerate our response as quickly as it needs to be. we're simply running out of time. this is going to begin to escalate and continue, but i do think that the understanding is there on how to fix it. i think that folks are talking together on how to work together to get this done. but what we need to see is more than promises. we need answers, and even in the u.s. we simply can't get congress to dedicate the kind of resources we need to actually invest in the developing world. and if you think we can leave them behind and fix it later, you're wrong. everything we do today has to provide benefits to everybody in the world, and we can do this together, but we need to act and we need to act now with

ferocity, with courage. this is what it's going to take. >> gina mccarthy, thank you so much. we do appreciate you coming on the program. >> thanks, thanks, chris. the mystery of exactly who brought cocaine into the white house remains unsolved. the secret service ended its cocaine probe with zero usable forensic or video evidence to identify the person responsible. that's according to three secret service agents or officials familiar with the investigation. that small plastic bag of cocaine discovered at white house in a storage cubby this month did undergo advanced testing and it was examined by two federal labs. no usable fingerprints or dna were detected. without that type of physical evidence, it's pretty much a dead end. a top russian general says vladimir putin is betraying his people. what this means for the future of the war, the implications for nato, and more when we're back in 60 seconds. is last year?

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pretty stunning statement, one of russia's top generals saying his soldiers are being betrayed by vladimir putin and his leadership. the newest sign of a war effort undermined by ineptitude and distrust. in an audio tape, the command ertz of the 58th combined army major general ivan popoff is reportedly heard telling his troops he was fired for calling out the lack of military support. he also said that while ukrainian troops couldn't get through their front lines, quote, we were hit from the rear by our senior commander, treacherously and villainously beheading the army in the most difficult and tense moment. nbc news has not been able to confirm what event he might be referring to or even that he is the one speaking, but if it is, he's not alone in the brutal assessment of russia's difficulties. just this morning, joint chiefs

chairman mark milley told reporters that, quote, at the strategic level, it's pretty clear you have a significant amount of friction and confusion. how that's all going to play out at the end of the day, i'm not so sure yet. i want to bring in former defense secretary william cohen, current chairman and ceo of the cohen group. thank you so much for being with us. mr. secretary, to have a general tell his own troops they're being betrayed by their leaders is extraordinary in any context, but then it's happening in russia in the middle of a war. what does it tell you about vladimir putin's grip on his own military right now? >> well, it follows on the heels of prigozhin saying exactly the same thing, that president putin has betrayed his military and his country by not providing them with the kind of military equipment they need. he's been sending troops into the front lines during winter with flip-flops, not boots or shoes. inadequate ammunition.

they're being just butchered on the front lines, and that's why you're getting this pushback coming from the generals who are fighting saying if you want us to go and fight on behalf of russia, give us the equipment to do it. and apparently you've got top people saying you've failed in that regard and that's why there's so much dissension inside of russia and there are others who don't want to continue the battle. he's getting it from both sides, those who are pro more activity militarily, and those who think he's made a big mistake and russia is suffering consequently. >> you mentioned prigozhin, and the wall street journal has an exclusive report out today that in the aftermath, in the wake of the wagner rebellion, quote, the kremlin's efforts to weed out officers suspected of disloyalty is broader than publicly known. people familiar with the situation said at least 13 senior officers were detained for questioning with some later released and around suspended from duty or fired. i mean, the russian military obviously already had its hands

full. now they're dealing with the loss of senior officers including generals. how do you think that might manifest itself on the battlefield going forward? >> well, it is quite chaotic at this point. you have to have leadership on the battlefield. you have to know that you're fighting for a specific cause and the country is behind you, and i think to the extent that the russian soldiers who have been pulled out of prison, who have been pulled out of the middle of the country, the poor people, coming in and just shoved into a meet grinder. it causes them to say what are we here for, and it will cause great dissension within the ranks. it will make a less effective fighting force to the extent it has been an effective fighting force. i think it's going to diminish their capabilcapabilities. >> one of the main questions is what's the end game here, how long might this go on. that was a question asked of president biden just a few hours ago. let me play for you, mr. secretary, what the president said. >> i don't think the war can go

on for years for two reasons. number one, i don't think that the russians could -- could maintain the war forever, number one, in terms of their resources and capacity. number two, i think that there is going to be a circumstance where eventually president putin is going to decide it's not in the interest of russia economically, politically, or otherwise to continue this war. >> do you agree with the president's assessment? >> i think it's going to be increasingly difficult for putin to wage this war over any length of time. i think what he's clearly counting on is that we have dissension in the united states, that we will turn against each other as some republicans are now sending signals that they want to cut off aid to ukraine. so i think he's counting on a republican comeback certainly in the white house, president trump, his good friend, who will then settle it very quickly by

selling the ukrainians out. so we have to be careful when we're talking about russia not being able to wage this war. we have to make sure that we are fighting for freedom, not only for ukraine. we're fighting for freedom for our nato allies and ourselves. let's make this a pro-freedom battle, and then we have a better chance of sustaining it over the long-term. >> let's talk about our own national security, u.s. readiness, critics on both sides of the aisle have been going after senator tommy tuberville for holding up hundreds of military appointments over pent gone abortion policies saying it's a national security concern. is it? >> absolutely. i think what he is doing, he's undermining our military readiness, our leadership. he is actually fomenting an anti-family. it's anti-military, and it's

anti-family. and frankly, if he were coaching football as he used to at great success, if he had a team that was fully capable, and yet the quarterback just got injured and he needed to put a replacement in, but he didn't train anybody for it, what would that say? they'd fire him in a nanosecond for not having a team ready to go. our military trains on a rotational basis. we have young people coming in. we have the mid-level officers and those who are rotating out. we need to have people capable to move into those leadership positions who have the training and the command and the respect of the people they expect to lead. he is undermining that directly for political purposes and not just republicans, democrats ought to get on their feet in the senate and take a vote, force him to go into a filibuster and defend an antimilitary, antifamily position he's taken. >> you are very passionate. is the threat that great? >> i think when you interrupt the rotation of moving people

into leadership, what is it we want? what makes us the best military in the world? it's the training, the preparation, the leadership skills, the command skills, and the ability to move people up who have that respect of their subordinates and the people they're leading. whether you interrupt that, you interrupt the flow of that. you have people who can't move on, if they retire you don't have a replacement who has the respect and the authority to carry out the instructions coming from the commander in chief. i see this as a very anti-military move on his part, no matter how he cloaks it. it's anti-family no matter what he says. those families can't move to new schools. their kids have to stay where they are. they can't make plans and we asked the families of our military to have extraordinary sacrifice, move 20 and 30 times during their spouse's career and this man is holding up that rotation. as a result of that, he's compromising our readiness ask

our military, something that no senator should be willing to do and to do it so proud. >> we appreciate you taking the time to be on the program, thank you. >> thank you, chris. i want to bring in nbc's kelly cobiella. let's go back to the conversation that the secretary and i were having about nato, about ukraine, about the war with russia, and i wonder what the reaction has been to where you are from the assurances from nato, and how do the ukrainian officials think all of this is going to impact the war? >> i think the reaction here basically is good, not ideal, but good in the words of president zelenskyy. he said that it was very important for the country and for fighters on the ground to get those security guarantees for the long-term. this was a worry that western allies would tire of the war and would no longer support ukraine once visual advances on the

battlefield weren't coming thick and fast, and so those security guarantees from the g-7 were pretty important to ukraine, and i think you're hearing that in the reaction from top politicians and also just the chatter on social media that at least there is that sort of guarantee. the defense minister also saying that it was a very productive meeting in vilnius, that they actually were able to secure or get promises for a huge amount of military hardware, frankly, more than a billion dollars in military hardware, new promises from the likes of france promising long range weapons, which the ukrainians have been asking for for a very long time. and also, air defense systems, those patriot systems from germany. and you know, we've seen, chris, the air defense systems at work over the past three nights. last night,ing air raid sirens were firing at 1:30 in the morning.

what you're seeing right there is an intercept from the air defense systems here in kyiv, some 20 iranian drones and two missiles fired at ukraine. the drones all sent right for kyiv in the early hours, the ukrainian military saying that all were intercepted. that really stunning video there watching those air defenses at work captured by our photojournalist in the early morning hours. yeah, this is the third night in a row, make no mistake. this is something that happens repeatedly here in kyiv, in other parts of the country, and the damage would be much greater were it not for those air defense systems. a few buildings damaged overnight according to the ukrainians and four injured, but no more than that, chris. >> kelly cobiella, thank you. and to my old friend bill angelou chi as well. with nato appearing as

strong as ever, new questions about his hold on power. what is vladimir putin's path forward? that conversation later this hour. and new information on special counsel jack smith's investigation into trump's efforts to overturn the election, who he talked to is and what it tells us about the scope of this investigation. that's next on "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc. the less they'll miss. but even if your teen was vaccinated against meningitis in the past they may be missing vaccination for meningitis b. although uncommon, up to 1 in 5 survivors of meningitis will have long term consequences. now as you're thinking about all the vaccines your teen might need make sure you ask your doctor if your teen is missing meningitis b vaccination.

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we are just learning that michigan's secretary of state jocelyn benson is the latest high ranking official interviewed by federal prosecutors who are investigating donald trump's efforts to overturn the 2020 election. in an interview with cnn, benson confirmed she spoke with special counsel jack smith's team for several hours back in march. take a listen. >> it really underscored, i think, the depths through which the federal prosecutors are looking into everything and the

seriousness with which they're taking what occurred and the quest for justice to ensure it doesn't happen again. >> i want to bring in former u.s. attorney and msnbc legal analyst barbara mcquade. good to see you, barbara. the special counsel has talked to so many top ranking election officials, rusty bowers in arizona, brad raffensperger in georgia, and now jocelyn benson in michigan, what does this tell us about the scope of this investigation, and does it tell us anything about where this investigation stands in terms of timing? >> well, it certainly would be prudent for the special counsel to talk to election officials in all of the states where we saw these fake electors. there were seven states, michigan is one of them. it wouldn't surprise me to see that the chief election officer, the secretary of state in michigan is someone that they would be interested in hearing from. i imagine that part of her testimony also related to the kinds of treatment they got, you know, jocelyn benson was someone who had armed protesters outside

her home after certifying the election, you know, the result of all of the allegations of election fraud that of course were fabricated. so it strikes me that these are essential witnesses, but i don't know that it really tells us anything about where they are in the case. i think the thing that tells us more about where they are in the case is the fact that they have talked to some of the people closest to donald trump, that being mike pence and mark meadows. it seems to me once you've talked to them, an indictment could come any day, but you know, i've been in this boat myself where you're a prosecutor and you want to make sure you leave no stone unturned. you may feel that you have enough evidence to bring a case, but you also are looking for potential defenses. what you don't want to happen is a year from now when the case goes to trial, some defense that you hadn't thought about, and if you'd only asked the right people you would have learned about. some of this is negating defenses is helping to play

defense in the future. >> nbc news has new reporting that prosecutors in arizona, in the arizona attorney general's office specifically, are taking on an additional investigation related to 2020 looking into an alternative slate of electors apparently put out by allies of donald trump, that's according to a source familiar with the investigation. help us understand what that means, how big of a deal it could be, and frankly, how does it differentiate from other investigations? >> yeah, you know, states are separate sovereigns from the federal government, and so just because the feds are looking into something does not preclude states from also investigating things that occur within their own state. so just as we've seen fani willis looking at it in georgia, it now appears that there's an investigation going on in arizona. michigan attorney general has also said she's been looking into election fraud within the state of michigan. there's nothing to stop investigators in all seven of those states where there were these fake slates of electors from investigating.

they have the ability to bring a parallel case. where it gets tricky, though, is sometimes it can step on the toes of federal prosecutors, so for example, if they were to file charges before jack smith files charges, they could get into the queue for a trial before he can, which could force a delay of his trial. on the other hand, there's some positives to it. if there is a conviction in the state system, then a future president cannot pardon anyone who is convicted there. so interesting dynamics when we have this dual sovereignty situation that we have in the united states. >> barbara mcquade, thank you so much. president biden is leaving europe and leaving behind, he says, a stronger than ever nato. what that tells us about the future of vladimir putin's grip on power. is this the first time putin has faced a challenge of this magnitude? i'll ask someone who covered the russian president for years next on "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc. "chris jansing report on msnbc get all-day and all-night heartburn acid prevention

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as president biden wraps up his trip to finland, he leaves behind a nato alliance that is in his words, stronger than ever. while russian president vladimir putin has seen his own position grow weaker, almost by the day. earlier this week, it was putin's former ally, the leader of turkey, who dropped his opposition to sweden becoming the next country to join nato. the war effort as we've talked about in this hour has been ham strung by ongoing disarray in the senior ranks, top officers

being fired and suspended, and now a survey of two dozen countries shows putin's fears that he could become an international pariah may be coming true with more than 80% seeing putin and his country in a negative light. peter baker is "new york times" chief white house correspondent and an msnbc political analyst who spent years covering vladimir putin in moscow. always good to have you on, peter. i want to talk about the level, both internally and externally of pressure that vladimir putin is under right now. do you think he's ever experienced anything quite like this? >> no, this is nothing like he experienced in the 23 years since he came to power, he has spent those two decades consolidating authority first in the kremlin, and on the international stage and what he has found finally are brick walls that are blocking his aspirations and an undercutting of his position at home. the idea right now that prigozhin could get away with the mutiny that he launched

without some sort of an obvious punishment, without some sort of obvious retribution underscores, i think that putin is in a more tenuous phase than he's ever been before. >> we've seen russia try to hurt other countries, they've used their supply of oil, grain, different things as leverage. how many more cards does he have to play? >> well, look, we shouldn't underestimate them, they're still a super power with nuclear weapons, they have energy, an energy super power. they have a lot of economic and other resources at their disposal, and they have some assistance, obviously, in the form of friendships with china and to a lesser extent with countries like india and brazil, which have not condemned the invasion. so we shouldn't underestimate them, but i think what we're seeing now is that they have demonstrated that they are kind of a paper tiger, that this invasion of a year and a half ago now did not work out like they thought. it's still not working out like they thought. they have managed to resist the ukrainian counteroffensive, has not made a lot of progress yet,

but they're still on the defensive at this point. holding onto the territory they've taken without any obvious ways to expand their grip. and i think that putin is busy at this point more worried about who's got him in their sights at home, and who's genuinely on his side. >> and the question about how had manifests itself, right? we all play this game and nobody is expert trying to get ourselves into vladimir putin's head. it occurred to me when i saw president zelenskyy arriving at the nato summit in lithuania that he's getting cheering crowds, thousands of people waving flags. he's meeting with world leaders. they want to be near him, they want to have their picture taken with him. vladimir putin watches that and thinks what? >> yeah, you're exactly right. you're not going to see a picture like that with vladimir putin, with world leaders. you're not going to get a large crowd of them cheering him on. again, he has friends obviously in china and a few other important places, but you're not going to see 32 other countries

as this growing nato alliance is right now welcoming vladimir putin. zelenskyy is by far, of course, admired more in the west, but also i think in other parts of the world that don't want to see larger nations try to intimidate or bully smaller nations and literally take over their country. so i think that, you know, putin is to some extent isolated. it doesn't mean that he doesn't have some friends. he is a bit of a pariah, at least in the corridors of power that he once seemed to care about which was the west and europe, which is completely unified against him. >> yeah, the man he was hoping to crush, he's elevated on the world stage. peter baker, always great to have you on. thank you so much. up next, a new poll amping up the pressure on ron desantis and all the other republicans running for president as they head to iowa this weekend for a conservative christian summit. why the caucus state could be do or die. and hollywood's first industry-wide shutdown since 1960 seems all but a certainty at this hour.

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. new today, donald trump's lead over ron desantis has now grown to nearly 40 points. here's a look at the new morning consol poll, it shows trump at 56%, desantis way behind with 17%, and the rest of the pack in single digits. the florida governor is now scrambling to turn those numbers around with an appeal to conservative christian voters in iowa. he and other 2024 hopefuls scheduled to attend this weekend's family leadership summit. it's an event billed as the midwest's largest gathering of christians, and since there's been no good polling coming out of iowa, any candidate who eventually breaks into the top three there would immediately get some much-needed attention, and almost certainly a boost in fund-raising, which could also help them qualify for next month's first gop debate. donald trump, though, is skipping the weekend's events, even as he's feuding with the state's very popular governor. let's go to nbc use dasha burns who's in des moines for more on

this consequential weekend. dasha. >> reporter: chris, we're going to have a really interesting split screen here in iowa. while the majority of candidates are going to be descending on the des moines area for the family leadership summit, they're going to be trying to court that critical evangelical vote donald trump is going to be on the other side of the state in cedar rapids at a town hall style event. he's skipping the leadership summit, which is an important event here, hosted by bob vanderplat has a history of endorsing candidates that tend to go on to win the iowa caucus. heroes been outspoken about the republican party needing to move on from trump. you have iowa's governor, kim reynolds who will be at that event, and of course, you mentioned those two, reynolds and trump are currently in a bit of a feud here. this could be a really critical opportunity. the absence of trump at this event for the likes of florida governor ron desantis and others to take advantage and capitalize

on trump's absence to boost their message to these voters and really show that they could be a viable alternative because iowa is going to matter so much. who wins the iowa caucus not necessarily is going to be the person who wins the primary. historically that's not necessarily been the case, but in this cycle, it's going to matter so much because if donald trump wins, it's all but over but if ron desantis, tim scott, nikki haley, if one can win or create a tight race here, that suddenly opens the door to a viable alternative to donald trump, and a lot of the voters that i have been talking to who are on the fence here, they seem to be looking for a permission structure, really be able to see, can somebody else beat the former president, and if they can beat him in iowa, that suddenly opens the door in a really big way. what happens here over the next couple of days is going to be really important, especially as we now know the date of the iowa

caucuses, it's coming up really fast, and what happens here in the next couple of days and next six months, it's going to be critical. >> dasha, thank you for that. i want to bring in a tara set meyer, supervisor to the lincoln project. always good to see you. iowa does not pick presidents but it's hugely influential for the reasons dasha just pointed out. there's an argument to be made that it's do or die for ron desantis. donors are worried about trump's ongoing huge lead in the polls. how critical can a weekend, can a connection or a single state be? we saw south carolina essentially turn the campaign back four years ago for joe biden or three years ago. is iowa increasingly important as we see these polls? >> well, i think some of the conventional wisdom around this is becoming less important because we are no longer in certain traditional election

modes, but in this instance, ron desantis is in decline. his campaign is fledgling, he has the failure to launch since he's really gotten out there. literally his failed launch the day of. it's just been a decline ever since then. when you start to see donors speaking publicly about their concerns, they smell blood in the water, and they should because as more people are exposed to ron desantis, the more they dislike him, and they recognize that, you know what, this guy doesn't have it. he's not going to be the trump slayer we thought he was. we need to look elsewhere. he's desperate to gain traction in a place like iowa. he has raised a good amount of money, which is important in places like iowa. caucusing is a ground game. it requires money and organization. the campaign claims they have 5,000 people in iowa committed. 200,000 people caucus there so he has a long way to go. desantis, it is do or die every

single time that he attends mandatory cattle calls in the republican primary. so far, it's done nothing but make his poll numbers go down. he's lose big 23 points the last we saw in iowa. >> let's talk about the money. if you want to get on the debate stage, one of the things you have to have is 40,000 individual donors. tim scott and chris christie announced they reached that. but there's a little bit of creativity going on for other candidates. vivek is offering 10% of money. and saying give me $1 and i'll give you a $20 gift card. can it help them get over the finish line. do you even agree with these kinds of limitations on who can be on the first debate stage? >> yeah, this has become comical almost. and all of this was designed to keep any real competitors away from donald trump. the rnc has been in donald trump's pocket for quite some time now, and a lot of the state

chairmen are as well. they're maga. so they are trying to discourage some of the lake shore level candidates from getting on the stage, but they've learned nothing since 2016. this is 2016 all over again with these vanity candidates. they're just going to split the vote. so they're going to go through all of these hoops to keep people off the debate stage. donald trump may not show up anyway. all of it seems to be political theater, and the idea that you're paying people to support you. there's something critically wrong with that. either you're strong enough as a candidate for people to support you, or you're not. if you have to do these antics, i don't know if some of it should be legal, frankly. but if it is, fine, it makes you question the strengths or weaknesses if that's what they have to resort to. >> tara setmayer, tell us what

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