i don't want another family to ever feel like how we felt. >> that's all for this edition of dateline. i'm craig melvin. thank you for watching. thank you for watching >> happy saturday and welcome to morning joe weekend. >> i've got to say, kansas city is beautiful on the weekends. >> it is. >> it's just gorgeous. let's dive into some of our top stories from the week. >> fbi director christopher wray appeared before the house judiciary committee for nearly five hours. >> he's a republican, right? >> he's appointed by donald trump. >> so, he's a trump appointee and trump, only the best people. >> a trump appointed republican. >> trump appointed republican, okay, yeah. >> so, he fielded questions from some of the same members of congress who recently called for his impeachment.

>> so, republicans want to impeach a republican? why? >> trump republicans want to impeach a trump appointed republican. >> why? >> despite being appointed by donald trump and a registered removal republican voter, republican lawmakers have baselessly accused wray of using the fbi to target those with conservative beliefs, including the former president, himself. director wray was having none of it. >> there is a two tiered justice system that has been weaponized to persecute people based on their political beliefs and that you've personally been worked to weaponize the fbi against conservatives. >> i would disagree with your characterization of the fbi and certainly, your description of my own approach. the idea that i'm biased against conservatives seems somewhat insane, to me, given my own personal background. >> you presided over the fbi that has the lowest level of

trust in the fbi's history. people trust the fbi more when hoover was running the place when you are. the reason is you don't give straight answers. >> respectfully, congressman, in your home state of florida, the number of people applying to come work for us and to devote their lives working for us is over, up over 100%. >> january 6th was beyond a weaponization of government. it was a nuclearization of government against the government. i think tucker carlson and some of the members, colleagues on the other side of the aisle have said that ray apps was a secret government agent that helped encourage this crime, so as to make the president look bad. do you have any knowledge of rape epps being a secret government agent? >> no. i will say this notion that somehow, the violence at the capitol on january 6th was part of some operation orchestrated by fbi sources and agents is ludicrous.

>> i want to use and examine the case of the mar-a-lago documents because it's been used by the former president as a pitying moment, as though he's somehow been victimized. >> i don't want to be commenting on the pending case, but i will say that there are specific rules about where to store classified information and that those need to be stored in a scif, a secured compartmentalize information facility. and in my experience, ballrooms, bathrooms, and bedrooms are not scifs. >> -- this went on for five hours yesterday. director wray sat in the chair, calmly rebutted and took down some conspiracy theories and defended the fbi. i have to say, this disorienting, joe, -- probably for you, someone who's covered republicans for a long time, to see republican members of congress attacking with such venom, the fbi, attacking the military, attacking the justice department, all these law enforcement stalwarts. now they view them as a part of a deep state conspiracy, why

are they doing all this? it goes back to the root of defending donald trump. >> yeah, it's an extremely unusual way of trying to grow your political party. to take on one of the more legendary, certainly, the elements of government and one of the more honored elements of government, the federal bureau of investigations. and then as you point out, in addition to that, they have attacked the american military on many occasions. and they continue to do it. now, is it a fringe of the republican party? is if the majority of the existing republican party in congress? that we do not know, but i don't think it's the majority even close to a majority of republican voters out there. even republican voters should be offended at the totally ignorant approach, many members of that party took yesterday against director wray. >> i mean, the problem, mike, is that the leaders of the house republicans are talking this way.

the people that are running the committees, some of the most powerful, some of the most influential people hate law enforcement, they hate the fbi, they hate the premier law enforcement agency in america. they hate military leaders. they are constantly trashing the united states military. it is crazy what they are doing. they are blocking the marine corps, the united states marine corps, from having -- for the first time in 150 years. they say they wish american military people could be as tough and masculine as the russian military. i mean, are you kidding me? would we like to ask the russian military? you know what we ought to do? we ought to talk to those 500 wagner group thugs that rushed the united states military and

asked, well, we can't. they were all killed in, like, two or three minutes. you know, i think the u.s. troops were probably watching mlb and somebody said, russians are attacking us. they go, okay, kill them, and then they went back to the game before the end of the inning. it was over just like that. you've got republicans saying that they want our troops to be more like russia. it's absolutely insane and kenny -- they talk about defunding the fbi because the fbi is trying to actually enforce laws against people who sealed nuclear secrets and this is what chris wray said yesterday. defunding the fbi, like these republicans want to defund the fbi, it would hurt the american people. neighborhoods and communities all across this country. the people who are protecting from cartels, violent criminals,

gang members, predators, foreign and domestic terrorists, and cyberattacks. like, these republicans want to got an agency that protects americans. from terrorists, foreign and domestic, from people who are trying to steal their identities, from people who are draining money out of their parents and grandparents bank accounts, drug cartels who are trying to push more and more fentanyl into this country. that is who the house republicans have declared to be their enemy. >> yeah, we look back at what's happened in the united states since 2001, the attacks of 9/11, and part of the reason that the america has not been attacked again in that kind of awful way, and other countries here and europe have been attacked, is because of the work of the fbi, because of the investigations that they've carried out on foreign and increasingly, on

domestic terrorists who would like to do harm to american people. without the fbi, the chances of some kind of attack on the united states grow exponentially. i thought what was really interesting about the hearings yesterday was how chris wray just managed to keep it super low-key. he didn't give people like matt gaetz that opportunity, that clip where you saw the director of the fbi getting angry, which it felt at times like matt gaetz was trying to run him into doing that. and he also turned the tables of it. he said, listen, why have the number of people applying to the fbi from your state, from florida, and from texas gone up by something like 100%? if the american population is so opposed and thinks, you know, that this is a terrible institution. i think he handled it as well as he possibly could, given the kinds of attacks and the conspiracy theories that he had to deal with. >> so, you heard director wray dismissing the idea that -- reyes was working for the government on january 6th. who is ray epps? well, he's a trump supporter

who became the focus of right-wing conspiracy theories after he protested in washington on january 6th, 2021. now, he's filed a defamation lawsuit against fox news and former host, tucker carlson, for claiming was epps an undercover fbi agent who helped provoke the capitol attack. in the lawsuit, epps accuses fox of telling a, quote, fantastical story that he acted as a government sponsored instigator of the violence on january 6th. and carlson's repeated segments about epps, quote, destroyed his life and his wife's. the lawsuit details death threats made against epps, leading him and his wife to sell their home and their land, and move into an rv. epps was seen on video of the night before the january 6th attack. this is on january 5th, telling other trump supporters that they should go into the capital the next day. but body camera video taken during the attack shows epps asking law enforcement officers on the sixth how he can assist them. with offers to help move riders back from the police line.

the footage from the day before the attack spread online and right-wing circles and feel conspiracy theories that epps secretly worked for the federal government. according to the lawsuit, fbi investigators met with epps in march of 2021 and removed his photo from his website of wanted suspects a few months later. fox news did not immediately respond to requests for comment and attorney for carlson declined to comment as well. so, joe, ray epps was there on january 6th. a big trump supporter from arizona, came into town for that they, for what he thought was going to be a rally. and his crime was, on camera, telling police when he thought things are getting out of control, let me help you out here. let's get some people back away from the police line and for that, he's viewed as a tool of the government, tool of the deep state, and this conspiracy went on for months, and months, and months, and fox push it almost every night. he had to move out of state, move to a different state, sell his home, now lives in an rv, but with this defamation lawsuit, i suspect we will be

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plea from ukrainian president zelenskyy to immediately admit his country into the alliance. pushing that invitation down the road. joining us right now from the nato summit in lithuania, white house national security adviser, jake sullivan. >> thank you for being with us jake why don't we start with history that was made during the summit. the agreement by all parties that sweden now becomes a member of nato and as they said several months ago, suddenly the baltic sea folks like the nato lake? >> >> first of all thank you for having having me and greetings from lithuania where this nato summit is unfolding as we speak, we came into the summit with the real head of steam where turkey agreed to send the ratification protocols for sweden to their parliament. meaning that sweden will become the 32nd member of nato, the

significance of this since last year having finland and sweden, to historically non aligned countries decide after decades that they are going to join the nato alliance, it will make it larger than ever before, more energized than ever before, more united than ever before. to the point about the baltic sea, we now have finland in the alliance with a 800 mile border with russia that shows that what russia has done in ukraine and the response of the west to it has only complicated life or russia, and the cost that it will pay in terms of security, economics and in other ways will show that this aggression cannot go -- >> jake obviously this issue of fluttery zelenskyy being concerned about the way ukraine is being framed in terms of its readiness for membership to nato right now. you know, president biden

pushing it down the road, but the nato treaty has three requirements for membership. are they not meeting those requirements? >> well, every ally has to meet a set of standards with respect to democratic reforms that has been true shuns the washington treaty came into existence 74 years ago. and what president biden has said, and many other nato members have said, and what all 31 member signed on to in the communiqué yesterday, is that admitting ukraine to nato today would mean that today nato would be at war with russia. it would mean the united states would be at war with russia, so president biden was not prepared to take that step today. what he also said is that ukraine has made substantial progress on democratic and security sector reforms, and that further progress will put ukraine in a position where the aligns can be invited into that

-- the aligns was clear yesterday on a very simple point ukraine's future is in nato, and will continue to work with ukraine on the path towards membership, and today president zelenskyy made the point when he was standing with the nato secretary general that he didn't get all that he wanted here but he got a substantial package of support from a nato, substantial political signal from nato and will continue to build on the momentum as we go forward. >> jake, good morning, i think it's fair to say that president zelenskyy was furious yesterday and in a very public way calling nato week, saying the failure to admit ukraine to nato inviting further terror from russia, he went on and on, for a nation in the united states that has given some 40 billion dollars and pledged new arms as you say and we'll be there till the end with ukraine, what do you expect the private conversation today between president biden and president zelenskyy to be like? what is the message, wasn't what is the response to the anger we saw from president

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30 points to trump. what's your strategy for catching up? >> well, first i think it's pretty clear that the media does not want me to be the candidate. i think that they've tried to create a narrative since -- the race is over.

this is going to be a state by state contest. we worked really hard to build the type of organization in places like iowa, new hampshire, south carolina, that you need to actually be able to win these early contests, and we are going to continue doing that. we've got a lot of work, but we've had very, very favorable response and we are going to keep building off that momentum. at the end of the day, i think the fact that i'm the one that's targeted by the media, by the left, even by the president in mexico, is because people know that i will beat biden and they know that i will actually deliver on all of these issues, and beat the democrats at the border, beat them on things like esg, beat them on things like crime, and they don't want to see that. and so, we are going to keep telling the truth and i think you are going to see good results. >> not the media that has him down 30 points of donald trump in the polls. florida governor ron desantis, blaming the media, though, for those lacking poll numbers. that was during an interview at fox business news yesterday. joining us now, republican presidential candidate, former governor of the great state of new jersey, chris christie. governor, it's great to have you back on the show.

welcome. >> good to see you. >> a lot of people have been watching you operate, going after on donald trump in a way that no one else has. they like what they hear, but they wonder, what is the path to the nomination? how are you looking at this as you sort of build slowly? first of all, qualifying to get to that first debate. are you confident you will be there on the stage? >> yes, i'm very confident i will be. they're in fact, i think we will have good announcement this week in that regard. look, we all got fooled eight years ago into this idea by all of us, i mean, me, marco rubio, jeb bush, john kingsley that there was an establishment -- there was a more conservative lane that had to cruise in the arena and donald trump had and ben carson. somehow, the ncaa tournament, willie, we were going to advance from those brackets to face the winners. by the time we got to the fight with each other, donald trump had won the nomination. it was over. to me, there's only one lane, and donald trump's been in that lane, and if you want to win, you've got to go through him. and so, i think all of the other folks in this race, some

of whom i have great respect for, some, less respect for. the fact is that if they think that just by standing there and ignoring donald trump, that they are going to beat him, i can tell them from experience eight years ago, not going to happen. you have to beat the man to be the man, willie, and he is the man who's ahead in the polls, and you need to take him on. and i think answers, like you know, governor desantis just gave on the clips you showed by blaming other people for your inability to go after donald trump is not the way to win this nomination, in my view. >> so, there is this belief that when it comes to donald trump, just one of the primary, the deeper his support gets that his supporters by what he says, which is this is a witch hunt, they're coming out to me, joe biden has weaponized the department of justice, et cetera, et cetera. the more the indictments, compass wrong or he gets, in some cases. do you believe that to be true and if it is true, how do you breakthrough with true believers, these people who are all in for donald trump, no matter what? >> look, first well i don't believe it's true because i think --

everyone is looking for one silver bullet, that will and his candidacy. i don't think that exists, i do think that there comes a way that he has to carry around. you saw this morning the news i saw this morning as his trial team -- asking for the trial to be delayed past the election, if there's another indictment in georgia and if there is another by doj, all those things will be going on at the same time as he is trying to campaign for president. there is a weight, a burden that he will carry that other people look at and say four indictments, can he actually beat joe biden? i think that is going to take some time though, i had a very smart former elected officials say to me a week ago, remember something, he has been at the front of republican primary voters minds for eight years. you are not going to get rid of that in weeks. there is a matter of patience here, willie. here's why i think republican voters deserve more than anything else, they deserve the truth, they won't get that from him. and there deserve results on the issues that they care about

and they did not get that either. they said -- he said he was gonna build a wall on the entire border of mexico, mexico is going to pay for it, he put 47 miles of new wall in four years, i could have built it with my hands. and we haven't gotten the first pay so, he said he was going to bounce the budget in four years, six trillions to the national that he added. we need results for the republican party voters who care about those things, he is not the guy who will deliver that. >> a lot of republicans know the things that you said, they know there is no wall, and they are still all in with him. what do you hear when you go out, let's take new hampshire for example, people who may have voted in 16, and 20, do you hear whether publicly at a town hall or privately talking to them, do you hear cracks in the support? >> yeah they are concerned that he can't be joe biden. >> the issue is if you saw the interview he gave yesterday nevada, and they asked him you lost nevada in 16 and 20 no

republican has won it since 04, what is your strategy to win it in 24, he said actually i did when insects teen and 20 by a lot. that strategy is not going to work, to tell people that what you saw with your own eyes, you knows the whole country song are you gonna believe me or your lying eyes? after a while, this act and you see him at one of those rallies, it's getting old. but also remember something, he's never been attacked from inside the republican party in an effective way by the facts by someone who knows him. and if some of. given that i've prepared him for the debates in 16 and in 20, he knows what he is in for and he is anxious to go in and see that. >> joe, governor christie is an open book you can ask him anything about the mets beating 18 out of the 20 games. >> i have questions. i have a few questions. >> will the mets make it or not? >> you can't ask me that. >> oh no.

>> so -- >> let me go first. i just need to know what to do with this. >> you always cut me off. >> we want to have republicans on the show, absolutely. thank you for coming on. all republicans are welcome. >> we really appreciate it. >> if everything you're saying about him is true and, you know you and i agree on january 6th and everything else that donald trump has done to this country, you also say people can't get the truth from him, i just need to understand like how do we do this when you are a candidates, you are trying to push people away from trump because it is bad for the country and yet you were in there? did you not see what was happening? did you not see -- >> you mean the prep? >> everything! >> i mean, why didn't you say anything? >> and governor, quickly i think there's a bigger question that obviously everybody wants to hear your answer to that, there's a bigger question to

about the balancing of what generals had to deal with and the idea that they will stay here if it is not me who comes behind me. you sell that with general mattis and several others, gary coons, and others, at what point though do you say i am out? and i think other people would ask, wasn't 2020 a little late to see the light? >> elections are about choices, we've had this conversation a number of times before, i done won hillary clinton to be president and i didn't want joe biden to be president. now, for me, everyone is going to have their different breaking point, based upon your own sensibilities, your own sense at that choice. formulas election night of 2020 when he stood behind the seal of the president in the white house and said the election was stolen at 2:30 in the morning. after all the votes had been counted and he didn't have any place to say, when you undercut

the american people believe in democracy from behind the podium at the white house, to me that was it and i said it that night on abc -- and by the way, let me just say one thing. >> if i could just follow the governor, really quickly, you told me privately that -- gosh, i guess i shouldn't say this -- >> no if it is a private conversation. >> you did it already, go ahead. >> okay you told me that he started working to undermine the confidence in the election to you privately behind the scenes like in the spring, and you were saying joe, this is coming, this is coming. he is going to try to make americans believe that american democracy doesn't work. you knew that in the spring of 2000. >> i didn't know it in the spring but what i said to you at this time was that during debate prep which started in late august of 2020, he started to say things like well, if i don't win it is going to be

because of the mail-in ballots. so, it wasn't really an issue of it's being stolen, it was more of an issue of him saying these changed rules or whatever are not fair, and they are more open to fraud, he started to say and i read that at the time joe that he was concerned about winning, that he felt like he was losing and as a result he was starting to say already to try to set up an eagle protector for himself. but in the end it, to me, you ask when, you know that when was an election night 2020 and by the way during the four years of his presidency, at least the last three when i was no longer in office and i was sitting at abc as a commentator, if you go back and look there were a lot of times where i was very critical of things he said and did, believe me i know i was because i would get the phone calls in the car on the way back from new york to new jersey with him yelling at me because i had said something critical on sunday morning. so, you know, we all have our breaking point and that was

mine but i don't think anybody can doubt the sincerity of what i am saying and the authority with which i say it because i was a supporter. and i did know him for 22 years. and so no one has ever done that before. >> after the break, senator tommy tuberville finally acknowledges white nationalists are racist. >> i don't think he actually did that. >> i don't think he did either. he said he did but then he does the trump things stand back and stand by, wink, wink. >> wink, wink. >> after calling the characterization opinion he calls it an opinion, is what he believes. believes

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of alabama is backtracking on comments this week in which he has said it's only some people's opinions that white nationalists are racist. his new remarks come after an interview in may, where he implied that he would be okay with white nationalist serving in the military. take a listen to his comments from that interview, followed by his remarks from monday. >> we are losing in the military so fast, our readiness in terms of recruitment, and why? i will tell you why, because the democrats are attacking our military, saying we need to get

out the white extremist, the white nationalist, people who don't believe in our agenda, as the joe biden agenda. they are destroying it. >> you mentioned the biden administration trying to prevent white nationalist from being in the military. do you believe they should allow white nationalists in the military? >> well, they call them that, i call them americans. >> first of all, i'm totally against any type of racism, okay? i was a football coach for 40 years and had the opportunity to be around more minorities than anybody up here on this hill. white nationalist is aware that they want to use other than racism. >> just to be clear, you agree that white nationalists would not be serving in the u.s. military, is that what you are saying? >> if people think that a white nationalist is a racist, i agree with that. i agree -- >> a white nationalists is someone who believe that the white race is superior to the

other race? >> that is some people's opinion. and i don't think -- >> it's not an opinion. >> pardon? >> what is your opinion? >> my opinion of a white nationalist, if someone wants to call them a white nationalist, to me that is an american. now if that white nationalist is a racist i am totally against anything that they want to do because i am 100 and 10% against racism. >> after those remarks both leaders schumer and mcconnell criticize the alabama senator yesterday and soon after receiving backlash from both sides of the aisle for his comments, tuberville attempted to backtrack his remarks. >> the senator from alabama is wrong, wrong, wrong. the definition of white nationalism is not a matter of opinion. white nationalism, the ideology that one race is inherently superior to others. that people of color should be segregated, subjected and relegated to second class citizenship is races down to

the court. for the senator from alabama to obscure the races nature of white nationalism is indeed a very, very dangerous. i urge my republican colleagues to impress upon the senator from alabama the destructive impact of his words and urge him to apologize. >> do you have any concerns that a member from your conference seems to have a hard time deny sting white nationalism especially as it relates to white nationalism in the military? >> white supremacy is simply unacceptable in the military and in our whole country. >> i'm totally against racism, if the democrats say that a white nationalist, if they say that's the definition, that i'm totally against white nationalists. >> okay. >> okay, yeah, i mean everybody has a different -- but i'm not getting into definitions. i am against any form of racism. i always have been. i was a football coach, i've dealt with more minorities than everybody in this building.

and so, i treat everybody with respect and make sure everybody had full opportunity. >> he still didn't say that white nationalists are racist. >> he made a little wink to it. >> he said oh, that is somebody's definition. but this guy has lived in the south for 50 something years, 55, 56, 57 years. he knows exactly what nationalism is and he knows white nationalists believe that black people and hispanic people, anybody who is not white, they are inferior because of their race. he understands that. so, i'm not exactly sure why he still has not said that white nationalists are racist. but the idea that he is backtracking, he hasn't backtracked at all.

>> you know there is a possibility that coach tuberville might still be under a concussion protocol. but, listen, joe the problem is that this guy is ignorant. senator tuberville of alabama his ignorance is still impeding the promotions and the pay scale for millions, hundreds of american military members. he does it every day, impeding progress of the united states military, impeding progress that you know a lot of families have problems with moving from wednesday to another because of the lack of health benefits for women and the fear of having to need reproductive services from doctors that won't be available to them. this guy's impeding all of that, and in addition to what he is doing, displaying his ignorance on a daily basis and as you pointed out he has not changed his position. if you listen to his words he has not changed his position,

it's ignorant and it is a definition of who senator tuberville is. >> yes, i would go further, unfortunately, i wish this was ignorance. that at least would explain it if he was just stupid, was just a stupid man. but he is not. he has lived in that state for a long time, he has served the state, he has coached in the state. he knows exactly what he is saying and he is speaking to white nationalists in that answer. sort of like stand back and stand by, where you are nonsensical but you are speaking to them. and then you say, if democrats say that is the definition, he knows the definition! he will not condemn white nationalism. that is the bottom line. it's not ignorance. this was his point. the cruelty and the white nationalism was the point here. >> and he said democrats were criticizing, republicans were

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i feel like in this specific story, mental illness, when it's very common. we all come from some kind of trauma, again, it's a spectrum and in this instance our hero, danny, is suffering from yet dissociative identity disorder. and he doesn't even know. you are trying to not only prove to him that he is a very layered and very traumatized and needs to heal but also that that is going on for him in society, and it is complicated. i'm proud to be part of something like this until these types of stories. there are not that common but what is common is the gray area that we live in. >> what i love about this series is that the first five episodes, you are seeing it through the defendants eyes and

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of morning joe weekend. let's jump right in and take a look at some more of the week's top stories. president joe biden wrapped up his five day european trip in finland yesterday with nato's newest member. finland and it decades of diplomatic neutrality in april, when it became the alliances 31st member. the move was also significant because the country shares 830 miles of border with russia. president biden yesterday celebrated finland's membership and nato's united front against

russian president vladimir putin. >> mister president, at this critical moment in history, this inflection point, the world is watching to see will we do the hard work that matters to forge a better future? what we stand together? what we stand with one another? will we stay committed to our course? this week, finland and the united states, and our allies and partners, sent a resounding, loud, yes. yes, we will step up. yes, we will stand together. and yes we, we'll keep working toward a stronger, safer, and more secure world. >> president biden deliver those remarks in the very same room in helsinki were former president donald trump met with putin almost exactly five years ago. that day, then president trump famously cited with the russian presidents denial of interference in the 2016 election, going against the findings of american intelligence. yesterday, president drew a sharp contrast with his comments about putin and the

state of the war in ukraine. >> putin's already lost the war. putin has a real problem, how does he move from here? what does he do? and so, the idea that there is going to be with what vehicle is used, he can end the war tomorrow because he can say, i'm out. but what agreement is ultimately reached depends upon putin and what he decides to do. but there is no possibility of him winning the war in ukraine. he's already lost that war. >> john -- the white house was just absolutely delighted with the contrast. it was so very early on, politics is all about contrast when you're up on it. the white house could not have been happier to be in the same room five years later where they believe, and most americans believe, even most conservatives believe, donald trump humiliated himself in front of vladimir putin. the contrast could not have been sharper, could it? >> could not have been sharper.

starker or sharper, john. i think he humiliated in self even for people who supported or wanted to support donald trump. there was never a moment where it was more clear, unfit for office than that moment. it was literally -- people thought donald trump was off the chain and, like, crazy, intemperate, a lot of things. that moment was, on the world stage, was a moment where a lot of people who were trying to give trump the benefit of the doubt said oh no, we are in trouble here and i would say another thing that i think the white house is delighted with, and i would be delighted if i wear them to. people, you know, banging this kettle drum all day long. joe biden's senile, joe biden is -- lost his mind joe biden needs, you know? all that stuff. he's seven hours ahead he stands up, there half the pressure constants runs for more than an hour. he's taking hard questions on foreign policy and looked pretty good. we gave a great speech. >> not like he didn't have a

tough schedule the day before. >> right, tough schedule, tough travel day, it does along presidents. not only the contrast with what trump did five years ago, just in general, because of their handling questions on the world stage and without really missing a beat. if i want to run a tape to refute the absurd notions of joe biden's senile or his in for -- i will run this tape and find the white house and say, this guy is doing better in the space than almost anyone around this table could do, i will tell you that. >> with -- -- this weekend, inflation, that's a pretty good double. >> when, when, when, jen, and looking like what he is, a statement on the world stage. >> yes, so much winning. just, like, exhausted by all of the winning. and it was, the speech the night before and -- was commanding the press conference, even to go back a second time to the finish reporter who continue to question america's commitment to finland as part of nato and he's like no, no, let me go back to what, you know, i will

go back and correct you. i also want to know does anybody know who decided that the trip would and in helsinki? because it was a genius move, you know? you're actually not clear to me if it was the white house that said, hey, i know, let's go to helsinki five years to the day, same place, it just couldn't be what we if that was bait from the nordic leaders themselves. but either way, we just, like so breathtaking that moment from trump. like, i still gasped when i hear it. >> me too. >> and that contrast for biden to be, you know, not just showing american leadership, but also just be so great at, you know, nailing that speech and that press conference. >> so joe, how does he continue this type of momentum in terms of not just the optics but a real kind of generating a sense of having complete control over the situation, what is different at the nato summit? >> well, nothing different and

that's the thing. i mean, i will say this. following up on what you said a couple of days ago that got you in read on the -- report which is pretty big, when you give you the red headline. -- they do have the scheduling better and i thought it was important for them to say, hey, you know what? he's been going night and day, we are going to let him take off for the dinner. of course, plan that ahead next time. but little things like that make a big difference. >> but look at this, joe, joe, joe. look at this. everything here is tightly produced, it's beautiful. everything here allows these world leaders to do what they do and there is no concern about the small things, and i would suggest that what i said that i guess put me in the red is taken seriously. when he comes back home because this president is good at what he does and these events -- i've >> i've always told people,

no, i just always told people, the president is very sharp. if you say something or write something, there have been times he's called and he's refuted it very frankly. i spoke to foreign leaders that have had conversations with him that said that he was on top of every issue and to the degree that they were actually some nato leaders have told me, they weren't very surprised the contrast between the image in the public and the joe biden behind closed doors. because he is so sharp and he's on top of everything. so much of it has to do with presentation. i will say also, for any trump are saying no, oh my god, they are talking about how he may need to take arrest every once in a while. please you're talking about donald trump who did nothing but sit in his office and watch cable news all day. the executive time when we like to get, well, i'm sure we can go to mar-a-lago. he probably has them shoved in drawers, all of his stuff. but jane, let me just say, if

we were talking about style over substance, that would be one thing. we are talking about matching reality with perception. and bill clinton had a great segment which was if a turtle shows up on top of a fence post, it didn't get there by accident. nato did not expand the historic lengths and have power by accident. it was joe biden, along with his equal partners, that masterminded this. but nato allies will tell you, they look to america for leadership. he did. this history will record this when -- trump right online, want to admit it or not. history is going to report this that this is pretty remarkable. you look at the economy exploding. just like obama, rightfully got credit, along with bush at the end of the term, for helping

save the economy. joe biden is going to be credited for moving us beyond one of the great economic crises of our time, which was, of course, covid, post covid, looks like we may have a pretty safe landing here for an economy. and i will just say, this isn't happening by accident and if people want to focus on him falling on a sandbag or falling off a bike, that's fine fine. while they are talking about that, joe biden's making, you know, europe safer and democracy. >> yeah, anybody who spent any time with joe biden since he's been in the oval office knows that the reality is nothing like the dystopian picture that the republicans are trying to paint of this senile, donning president and he's just sharp as attack. you know, this nato summit, i just thought, was stunning.

when you look at the nato expansion, when you look at how nato now rounds surrounds the baltic sea in a way that was unimaginable. when you look at the summit itself, you know, nato doesn't do anything without american leadership, period. despite what generations of french presidents would like you to believe, in fact, it is u.s. leadership that shapes nato and that moves nato forward. and this is joe biden and it's remarkable the statecraft that has led us to this point. and they say, you know, the u.s. elections are not usually decided on foreign policy, but i think people just have to give it a look. it's really an extraordinary achievement and then on top of

it, as you mentioned, the economy. we are having a soft landing, which nobody thought was conceivable and everybody was like oh, wait for the recession that's coming, it's coming. that won't be coming. it seems that inflation is being tamed and the job market is roaring. unemployment, below 4%, for historic length of time. this is a record that i think any president would want to go into reelection with and it is a matter, the campaign, is a matter of making the reality shine through the false perception that's been created. >> next, one republican senator is holding up for motions for military officers and it's left the marine corps without a leader. we will explain why. leader we will explain why. we will explain why. subway's now slicing their meats fresh.

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potentially running washington to a halt and hurting military readiness. all over social issues here at home. the republican-controlled house voted last night to include dozens of controversial amendments to the national defense authorization bill, including limits to the d.o.d.'s diversity initiatives and the approval to rollback a pentagon policy that guarantees service members access to abortion. proposals that would have limited america's involvement in ukraine were also put out there, but those amendments failed. joining us now, democratic congressman, south molten of massachusetts. he's a combat veteran. who served four tours with the u.s. marines. he, along with several other house democrats, have announced they will not vote in favor of

the current defense funding bill and joe, you have the first question. >> yeah, congressman, tell us why you will not vote for this bill if it's not changed. >> because it hurts our troops and i'm proud, i have been proud every single year to support the defense bill because we need to support our troops. this bill hurts our troops, it doesn't support them. it says women are second class citizens, it says women can't get basic health care. by the way, if you are a man, you are fine. but if you want to serve in the military as a woman, good luck. you know, as you know, joe, i had this amazing job serving in iraq as a special assistant to general petraeus. i went from an infantry platoon commander, a lieutenant on the ground, to working for the top general in the country. the marine who got me that job is one of the best marines i've ever met in my life and she served with me for general petraeus in iraq. now, if she needed even maybe an abortion, maybe just some

other medical procedures that wasn't available, well, the d.o.d. is now not going to be able to transport her to pay for her travel out of iraq to get that piece of basic medical care. what message does that send to our troops? what message does that send to americans, who are trying to recruit? we have a recruiting crisis. this is a terrible policy and the bipartisan bill that we passed out of committee, it no longer exists. it's become a political talking point for the republicans. >> well, you know, that's a great way to put it and a -- talking point for the republicans. i know when i was on the armed services committee, you talked to the pentagon and the leaders there and be like, what are, you know, what are they doing over there, joe? what are they doing? why are they bringing social issues into a military debate? let's talk about readiness, let's talk about troops, let's talk about making america stronger and safer we, and, you

know, our military leaders, and rank and file people in the military, they hate this debate being hijacked by such social issues and they will always say, they've always said, you want to debate abortion? debate abortion, that is fine. but don't bring us into that debate. we are about protecting america. >> they are making our troops into political pawns, that's what they are doing. the d.o.d. doesn't want any of this. our troops don't want it, they don't want to be used for politics in washington, but that is what the republicans are doing with this bill. >> yeah, jim? >> congressman, -- the senate was senator tuberville holding up having the senate approved military promotions and said that there is not a confirmed chairman of the joint chiefs, which is kind of mind-blowing. can you explain, based on your experience in the military, what the impact that that has? like, i come from a military family, i've had members of my

family go through this process, i know that it's quite meaningful in the military when you cannot get these promotions through. that's the chain of command. talk to us about how it actually impacts the military. >> in the marine corps, we don't have a comment -- for the first time in over 160 years. the comment dot sets the policy for the marine corps. one of the first things in your common dot does it send out his leadership guides to the entire fleet. we don't have a common dot, so that can't happen. but let me explain it this way. one of the smartest things that we did in the early days of the ukraine war is, we held the ukrainians take out russian jet -- we took out their key leaders and it left the russians in disarray. that's one of the reasons the ukrainians added so well in the early days. well, and now, our generals are being taken out. not by russia, not by china, but by a united states senator who's never served in the military himself. and as a result, deputies have to step up to serve in positions that they are not experienced with. you are talking about one star generals taking the role of three stars. that is embarrassing for our

allies, when one star has to step into a meeting whether they're expecting a three star. and they don't have the experience to do the job as well as the people appointed to these positions. so, we are basically doing what we helped ukraine due to the russians, to ourselves, because of one crazy senator. >> up next, more from our conversation with republican presidential candidate, chris christie. the former prosecutor weighs in on the indictments donald trump is facing. donald trum is facing. is facing. age is just a number, and mine's unlisted. try boost® high protein with 20 grams of protein for muscle health versus 16 grams in ensure® high protein. boost® high protein. now available in cinnabon® bakery-inspired flavor. learn more at boost.com/tv

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of our viewers joe touched on this we're listening to right now and saying, i wouldn't choose joe biden over donald trump. you have disagreements with joe bunts on policy, inflation is too high right now, those are fair criticisms of course. talking about policy. on the other side, you're making the case that donald trump is hurting the foundations of the country, that he led an attempted coup against the government on january 6th, he's trying to overturn a presidential election. and you say you can't support that, so how do you, when you put those two side by side, how do you choose donald trump over joe biden in that case? >> well, that's why i'm running, willie, is because i don't want the choice to beat donald trump against joe biden. and so, you know, i've already said i answered mike's question as directly as you could. and the fact is that this is an awful choice. i think the last poll i saw was 70% of the american people don't want the choice to be between joe biden and donald trump. and let's face it, you know, president biden, in my opinion,

i've said this before publicly, is too old for this job. he's just not up to it anymore and i've known joe biden for 40 years, i've known him longer than i've known donald trump. -- met joe biden when we were students at the university of delaware together and he would walk around the tail gates at the full games and come and, you know, cop a beer off of every student tailgate he could. i've known him for a long time and by the way, at a personal level, i like him. he's a nice guy, but he's dead wrong for the job and he's too old. >> that would make donald trump told to. >> yeah, actually both of them are too old. i've said they're both past their sell by date and they are. we do not need a choice in 2024 between two candidates who are combined 160 years old. i'm sorry, there will be some people out there who use the phrase ageist. guilty. i think there is something to the fact that you get to a certain age and you shouldn't be president of the united states because the job, itself, is too hard, too taxing, too

much for somebody at that age. and i think that both donald trump and joe biden qualify for that sell by date. >> i want to ask you to put your prosecutors hat on for a moment. you are a u.s. attorney in the state of new jersey. so, we have two indictments for donald trump. we have one in manhattan, one in the mar-a-lago documents, both series in their own regards. potentially more coming around january 6th. and in the state of georgia. how serious do you believe these cases are against him and how much trouble, just as a practical question, how much legal trouble is he in? is there jail time in his future? how are you looking at all this? >> let's separate the two that exists. manhattan d.a. side, i think was a stupid indictment to bring. the manhattan d.a.'s job is to protect the lives and the property of the people of the borough of manhattan. if you walk around here as i have, and you fellas do, i don't know how indicting donald trump with a seven year old payment to a porn star makes this any safer in manhattan, and we need to be safer. and i think ultimately, even if

he's convicted of those charges, and by the way, i think he committed the underlying conduct. i'm not disputing that. but when your prosecutor, you have to stretch it to decide, right? is this a case that i really want to bring? think about the resources alpha bragg is using to bring this case, where we have people being killed, assaulted, mugged, robbed, all over this borough, to a point where people don't want to come here anymore. so, when i think they're serious legal jeopardy -- guilty. do i think he will be sent to rikers island? unlikely. the special prosecutor case is much, much different. his conduct there is reprehensible. i want people to understand this. he was given 18 months to return those documents from -- 18 months they asked him privately, quietly, respectfully. he lied, denied, and obstructed. he obstructed a grand jury subpoena, he lied to his own lawyers. he had documents from his own

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which i'm certain they will, and you turn it down, and you take us to trial, and you are convicted, that judge is sending you to jail. and i think that's what he goes to bed every night thinking. every night. and all this bravado everything else, i've known him for 22 years. when i was doing these cases in new jersey, i would put political figures in jail, he would say to me, i could never do that. i could never go to jail. and i'm telling you, no matter what he says, no matter how he's bragging and going on and on about him not being afraid, he goes to bed every night thinking about the sound of that jail cell door closing behind him. so, the point of all that, willie, is to say, when push comes to shove, i'm not so sure he wants to take a plea. because if that is the only way he knows he can avoid prison, i think he just may. and that is what republican voters need to think about. you could be confronted with

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thomas edison inventing electricity, right? and then we go right from 1956, it's the reason i wrote the book. in 1956, time magazine, not the hardest thing to find, time magazine is a publication that walter knows very well and the one of the first american climate scientists, roger -- said, in about six years, there will be big changes that could have a violent effect on the culture, and the climate, rather, and we will know if there will be things like salt water flowing in the streets of new york and london. it took us about 20 years, let's say, to knock down the -- and then in 79, that's what i was thinking when i was watching the great bureau we were watching just now. president carter asked a special study session of the national academy of sciences to say, look, is this going to happen or not? and they returned a very quick verdict. they said, the conclusions of this panel will be reassuring for scientists, but disturbing for policymakers. we find no reason to doubt that

this carbon dioxide continues to increase, that climate change is will result and no reason to believe it will be negligible. and the broadcast we just saw is non-national climate change. >> and from those warnings was born, as you get out in the book, and tire culture of denialism. saying, this isn't actually happening, certainly not happening as fast as the global climate change alarmists are telling us. how did that side of the movement grow? >> i think it grew because it was interesting what niko was saying before about abortion. when we look at data sometimes, it means we have to act. and so, we've developed a culture across the board on a number of issues where we can just keep looking at the data and keep arguing and refining, right? that always plays into the hands of people who don't want to final decision reach and you don't want action. so, there was -- sorry. >> excuse me for interrupting you, but how is it, david, that this is such a visual and physical issue in the world, not just the united states. you can feel the heat, you can

feel when you are freezing. you can see the water coming up through your kitchen floor in a flood. how is it that with all of this physical, visible evidence, that climate deniers get away with saying, no, that's not really happening? >> they prepare us, they give us a we are looking at things. and so, if you give someone the -- screen to examine something through, then when they examine, they see what -- you can see, it's -- for the course, basically. so, if you tell people that climate is always changing, then you get something really hot, a really hot summer, it's like, well i remember hearing from an authority figure that the climate always changes. so, this can't be that big a deal. the thing that you are asking reminds me of the famous example that vice president -- gore use which is the frog analogy. that if you put a frog in boiling water, it will jump right out. but if you put in lukewarm water, it will stay until it gets too hot, which is what's happening to us. one of the fun things in the book is, that's not true. in fact, some scientists, no,

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epidemic with a rise in overdoses tied to fentanyl and opioids, our next guest is looking back at another drug crisis in america. journalist donovan ex ramsey joins us now, he's the author of the new book, when crack was king. the peoples history of a misunderstood era. also with us for the

conversation, the president of the national action network, host of msnbc's politics nation, our good friend, the reverend, al sharpton. good morning to you both. donovan, congratulations on the book. would you say misunderstood era, what do people get wrong about this crack epidemic in america? >> you know, i mean, i really think that people misunderstand first what crack was and people really have no clue of the outsized impact that it had in shaping our society. both ideas of inner cities, our criminal justice system, and the very vulnerable people who ended up, you know, addicted to crack. >> where does this area begin for you, as you dig into the history of it and it's long legacy that continues today, in terms of sentencing and policing, and everything else? but how do you define the beginning of the crack era? >> that was one of the hardest things really to do, when it came to writing this book, was to figure out what exactly the kraken epidemic started. and i really kind of concluded that you had to go back to the

devastation after the civil rights movement, after the decline of the black power movement, all of the disaffection, you know? over that we use often now when it comes to other sort of addiction trends, but people in cities, black and brown folks in particular, with disaffected after dr. king was assassinated, after malcolm x was assassinated, and we didn't have a whole lot to show for all of that effort of the civil rights movement. that's where i think the real seeds of the crack epidemic replanted. >> rev, you lived through this you are in new york city in the early days throughout, you saw the ravages of the crack epidemic. what was it like to be on the frontlines and particularly in new york city in that time? >> it was frightening because you are seeing people that could literally go in a corner store and buy crack over the counter. so, when we were telling people this was going on, they didn't believe this. so, one of the things we did, i had a youth group called the ash national youth movement, we

got the press and said, go inside with us just one of you. have a kid put $5 on the counter and then give him crack. that is how much it was accessible and it was clearly something, and donovan says he was aware, i didn't even know, he wasn't even born at that time. but it was clearly something that had overtaken our community. >> donovan, you are born in 1987. that's really just past the beginning of the crack epidemic. of all the negative impacts that this had on our culture, as a country, where would you rank the negative impact that perhaps, indeed, have on policing and law enforcement? >> yeah, as you point out, has somebody, you know, race in the 80s and 90s, i had no idea just how much our law enforcement system had been shaped by the crack epidemic. you know, policies like stop and frisk, when it came to just the entire tactic of broken

windows policing, those are crack era policing tactics that i thought were normal. so, you know, my life growing up in the neighborhood that was hard hit by crack was dealing with the fallout of seeing people be addicted, dealing with the violence that accompanied the drug trade, but also dealing with over policing that made me feel even less safe. >> donovan, micah has a question for you. micah? >> well, i just was curious about your personal reflections on the process of putting this together. reading your interview with the l.a. times you said, at times, it felt like the story was going to kill you. like, it was so hard to try and put the crack epidemic into words. can you tell us about that? >> absolutely. you know, the reason why i think that the book like, say, authoritative history of the crack epidemic that really incorporates peoples narratives hasn't been written yet is because it's ugly stuff.

it really revealed to me some of the nastiness about our failure to live up to our social contract as a nation and revealed to me lots of cracks in our social safety net. but also, the ways that we treat each other, that we really treated the most vulnerable people at a period where they really needed help. and by the end of writing this book, i was nervous wreck from having listened to hundreds of stories of people who were addicted and who sold crack, and the mayor of baltimore -- who had really tried to pull back his city, and i'm still kind of shaken by what i learned, but i hope that when people read this book, that they're able to also process some of their own memories of the period and some of their own feelings about some of these really big issues. >> the new book is called, when crack was king, the peoples history of a misunderstood era. donovan ex ramsey, thank you so

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to you guys, and it's been so fun to watch you come on the scene at first, then become the legends that you are. so, thank you for all the thrills and inspiring so many young kids to do crazy stuff, jumping off high places. >> i appreciate it. >> what was it like to make this series, to sit down and sort of just take stock of your entire journey? >> yeah, it was intense. i, mean i won't lie, there's the competitor in me, i'm watching the episodes and i'm like, i put back in that place of, you know, either success or failure, frustration and so, it was an intense thing and, you know, you're watching pretty much her whole life and a couple hours you like, god, i remember being a lot longer than that, you know? so, it was an interesting process, but i think the thing i enjoy the most was obviously, we followed a lot of the olympic, you know, great moments, but it really pulls the curtain back and shows you not only my struggles getting to that place, but, you know, the family dynamic because when i started, you know, snowboarding really wasn't

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