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with a savvy funded liv golf. a new phase of sports watching has begun, the question is, what comes next? >> if you can't be, to delay it. that pretty much sums up donald trump's legal strategy right now. this week the former president and his lawyers asked a federal judge to indefinitely postpone his trial over his mishandling of classified information. in their filing they have the gall to argue that the case presents a serious challenge to both the facts and perception of our american democracy. american democracy, and they say that any trial during the presidential election will impact the outcome. now all of this is pretty ironic considering the defendant here is under investigation for trying to literally overthrow a democratic election but you have to be a lawyer to see through their argument. if the trial is delayed until after the election and trump wins, he could try to use the

presidency as a shield from justice. either by directing his own attorney general to dismiss his case or by trying to pardon himself. and his team isn't even really hiding it. the new york times reported that some of trump supporters have reportedly said that he is looking to win the election as a solution to his legal problems saying the quiet part out lied, and meetings there, we have it. special counsel jack smith isn't exactly following for the delay tactics, he responded to them by saying there is no basis in law in fact to grant's motion. but the decision is not exactly up to him, here in the hands of trump appointed -- it sounds like trump is counting on her to do his bidding. here he is in an interview just this morning. >> is there any indication the judge will grant this motion? >> i don't know. i know it is a very highly respected judge a very smart judge and a very strong judge. >> you appointed her. >> i did i'm very proud to appointed her. she's very smart very strong and loves our country.

i mean loves our country. we need judges that love our country so they do the right thing. >> subtle, very subtle there mr. trump. meanwhile as donald trump attempts to fend off the documents trial the special counsel's prosecutors could be nearing an indictment in their investigation of january 6th. we learned this week that trump's son-in-law, jared kushner recently testified before a federal grand jury in that case. according to the new york times, kushner another close aides were asked whether trump privately acknowledge that he lost the 2020 election. in lawyer speak it suggest they are trying to show corrupt intent. that trump's efforts were knowingly based on a lie because he already knew he lost. few people are as familiar with trump's scheme to overturn the election is congressman jamie raskin. he was in the capitol on january 6th led the impeachment trial, and was part of a congressional investigation into the attack. i sat down with him at his home this week to discuss this case and all of the legal troubles facing the former president. >> i want to start with the

special counsel's investigation into january 6th, because there was some news this week. the new york times was reporting the prosecutors have questioned multiple witnesses in these weeks, including jared kushner. what does that indicate to you about where they are in the investigation, and what charges it may bring? >> seems like they are zeroing in on the question of what exactly donald trump knew and what he believed. there were a lot of indications that we got during the january 6th hearings that he knew he had lost the election. and, if they can nail that down with some witnesses that will solidify his culpable intent. >> yet jared kushner said he didn't know he lost, it seems, in the reporting. which seems to me, that sounds like you are a little skeptical of that. >> will cassidy -- told us that he said, can you believe i lost to the sky? so when he was behind the scenes, it was perfectly clear. there are also a series of

administrative steps that he took for the government indicating that he knew that there was going to be a succession of power. and he knew that it was really over while he was saying, on the other side, to the mob, we are going to stop this. and we are going to reclaim it, and so on. >> what unanswered questions do you have in the investigation, given how deeply you are embedded in this for a special counsel, jack smith, that you hoped he would answer? >> there are a number of formal parts of the investigation that i wish we had had more time and more resources to go after. for example, we knew that the problem of the oath keepers were acting as the front mind shock troops to attack the officers and to try i to unleash the wrath of the mob against anybody who was protecting us and to storm the

capitol. we know that they were acting in a very organized fashion, but we did not have all of this specific conversations and communications that took place. and obviously, they tried to guard -- >> between the oath keepers and -- >> and the people at the top. >> the department of justice, it is been reported that they had a strategy of waiting on launching a more aggressive investigation into donald trump himself because they wanted to focus on the oath keepers and others around him. that, has by all accounts, to lead the process. it is meaning that it could go postelection. how concerned are you about that, and how do you feel about their strategy to focus on the oath keepers first? >> it seems to me that they have proceeded the way that prosecutors like to proceed in an organized crime investigation. you start with the smallest fish, and then you work your way up. you get them to flip, or to testify as to the people who are above them, until you get to the very top.

and that is how a lot of the godfather prosecutions work. and it seems like they were following that principle, and the difference here, of course is that so much of donald trump 's incitement and coordination of these events took place in plain view. >> donald trump is also calling for an indefinite delay before he goes to trial. his lawyer are, i should say, in the classified documents case, and special counsel jack smith's prosecutors argued strongly against any delay. is there any valid argument for a delay? >> i don't think there should be any delay in existing prosecution. otherwise any criminal defendant in the country would declare for president, or senate, or house, or mayor and say you cannot prosecute me anyway anymore if to prosecute me the year after. think of it this way. if someone is running for office and then is implicated

in a murder or a rape, or an armed robbery would we say, no? we're going to hold that until after the election until in the normal case it would be happening before, he should be treated exactly the same with anyone else would be treated in the same situation. there been hundreds of prosecutions of people on the basis of crimes that took place on january 6th. why should he be special? >> there is some reporting that some of trump's advisers should be blended in public conversations. he is looking to win the election to protect himself by issuing a self pardon. how concerned are you about the precedent about the legality of every aspect of it? >> as with so many things relate to donald trump, it is what we call case of first impression. nobody, knows because nobody has ever pushed the limits like this before no president has ever been in a situation where he has had to think about pardoning himself, much less essentially promising to pardon himself. but james madison said, in the

federalist papers, that the cardinal principle of justice in our system is the no man may be a judge in his own cause in his own case. so it does seem to cut against that very basic principle. again, he pushes the legal system to the extreme, we are forced to judge these very radical context that have never been tested before. e neve >> i think there's at least as good an argument that the president cannot pardon himself as the idea that he can. >> do you think that's what is up to? >> i certainly believe that he is trying to use his candidacy and his campaign is a shield against liberal prosecution. >> given that trump has not been held accountable yet, it is in process in some ways, he clearly has not changed his behavior much. what concerns you the most for what he could do for the next

election? >> a lot of it we are seeing in plain sight right now. there are efforts to change election laws all over the country where trump loyal republican party legislative leaders are trying to engage in voter suppression tactics. other efforts to undermine the ability to get a fair count in the election and we saw we tried to do what the legislation doctrine, which so far has not worked on the supreme court. the idea of the supreme legislators can do whatever they want with respect to elections. >> iwant to ask about the work of the oversight committee, because you and congressman dan goldman sent a letter to oversight chair james comer this week requesting that he hand over any information he's received from gal, with the man who the gop claimed to have

been following this closely in detail, had evidence of corruption by the biden family who was charged with arms trafficking, sanctions violations, and acting as an unregistered agent for china. it is almost like part of a movie that is happening right now. according to an indictment on sale this week. what information are you seeking about james comer's involvement with left and what do you want to know? >> gallo left was supposed to be the star witness here in a reigning joe biden on the old giuliani charges of a fake, ukrainian bribery scandal. and it turns out that left was missing as german commerce kept saying and the reason he was missing is because he's a fugitive from justice. he's on the run around the world away from the u.s. government and this is gonna be the star witness against joe biden. what i'm afraid is happening jen is that the trump party has

created such a topsy-turvy world that we are getting real low life characters like george santos like donald trump like gal left who say i think i'm going to be able to launder all of my crimes and wrap myself in the production of the republican party. >> they see targets of people to go up to help them. >> that's right. >> how concerned are you that james comer was the chairman of the committee was knowingly, unknowingly, working and co-opted by a foreign arrogant? >> i am just concerned that the house oversight committee which has a very proud history with congressman waxman as chair and the gray elijah cummings of maryland as chair is suddenly being compromised in a really serious way. our legitimacy is being eroded by the tactics adopted by chairman comer. they essentially have said we will validate anybody who will

say anything about the bidens and of course they have not laid a glove on president biden. they are real issues that are confronting our people and they are off on this wild goose chase related to hunter biden and joe biden, and their main witnesses are people who are fleeing justice in america. >> i want to quickly ask you about fox news. because there was a defamation lawsuit filed by right apps against fox news, after the network and former host, tucker carlson, repeatedly claimed that he wasn't undercover fbi agent who provoked the insurrection of the capital. as a constitutional look, somebody who knows this case deeply how strong do you think a pieces defamation case is? >> i think it is a very strong case. the united states of america, which has the first amendment, it is very hard to prove defamation against someone. very hard. you've got to prove that they intentionally lied or were so reckless about the truth that

they ended up, essentially disparaging your character in a damaging way. and even with that very strict, narrow standard, the dominion company was able to win a settlement out of court, with fox news. so he saw how dominion beat fox news, and he decided, i'm going to do the same thing. they basically liable to him, they slandered him, they defamed him by saying that he would lie about who he was. he was one of their supporters. he was on their side, and that is one of the things that never ceases to amaze me, the way that they turn on their own supporters. and devour them. i hope that he is not just in it to defeat them legally, but he is in it to arrive in a political epiphany about what kind of authoritarian movement he is associated with. that is the pathway to redemption for america, when people begin to recognize that they were acting like members

of a religious cult. unfortunately, there are still millions of people doing that and a lot of people are in congress right now. >> we will have much more of a conversation with congressman jamie raskin, coming up later in the show, including a visit to one of his favorite places to spend time. up next, i have been waiting all week to pull apart senator tommy tuberville's weak arguments for putting a hold on hundreds of military promotions and confirmations. congressman abigail spanberger is also going to join me to talk about how could impact our military readiness. later, i will explain why the name of the group, moms for liberty, is far from an accurate description. we are back after a quick break. so i didn't think i needed swiffer, until, i saw how easily it picked up my hair every time i dried it! only takes a minute. look at that! for amazing trap & lock. even for his hair. wow. and for dust, i love my heavy duty duster. the fluffy fibers trap dust on contact,

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freedom caucus are playing politics with pentagon funding. and one republican senator is holding a crucial military promotion. things seem to be going great over there, but here is a really important question many of them seem to be making time to explore. is barbie communist? >> senator ted cruz accusing the new barbie movie of pushing ccp propaganda and groveling to the communist regime. his criticism is coming after vietnam banned the movie overseen's with a map showing china's claims to the territory in the south china sea. the so-called nine dash line. so, joe, is barbie communist? >> maybe? >> is barbie communist? maybe? yes, you heard that right. apparently according to republican senator ted cruz, barbies alleged communism, based on a map in a movie, is more offensive than the actions of his colleague, tommy tuberville, who, just to remind

you, is on a one-man mission in the senate to obstruct staffing or military at the highest levels. right now, back here in the real world, there is no confirmed leader of the u.s. marine corps. and guess which division of the military plays a key role in overseeing troops in the south china sea on the real map? the marine corps. no military leader out there is going to tell you they are more worried about a cartoon map in a movie about it all than about having qualified members of the military in a position to lead their troops. likewise, no commander will tell you that the biggest problem facing the military is that it is, quote, too woke. despite what house speaker kevin mccarthy claims. >> just focus on the military. stop using taxpayer money to do their own wokeism. the military cannot defend themselves if you train them in woke. we don't want disneyland to train our military. we want our men and women in the military to have every defense possible, and that is what our bill does. >> to train them in woke.

who knows with that actually even means? mccarthy made those comments after house republicans passed their version of the defense authorization bill with amendments on abortion, gender transition care and dei. it bears repeating on this show nobody really knows what exactly woke means. and certainly not what our military leaders are worried about. what they are definitely concerned about is the ability of a single senator to block the promotions of more than 270 officers. and for pay to be blocked for pay increases to be blocks to military across the country. if tuberville continues his hold, as many as 650 leadership positions could be vacant by the end of this year, according to the pentagon. his issue is that he doesn't like the pentagon's policy of providing time off and reimbursing travel expenses for those seeking reproductive health care. it is not just about abortions, it is also fertility treatments for people trying to conceive a child. now it is important to remember

that service members and their families don't control where they are posted. they are sent where their skills are most required. that is how it works. that means they could easily find themselves in a state that has restricted access to health care, even when they need it. pentagon doctors aren't even authorized to perform abortions except in cases of rape, incest, and if a mother's life is in danger, which by the way,'s law. so for any woman seeking an abortion that does not fall into one of those three categories she needs to seek health care outside of the department of defense. and that means seeking outside of the state where she is stationed. another right-wing conspiracy theory is that the u.s. military is a left-wing organization, indoctrinating troops with hundreds of hours of dei training. the actual truth, the right-wing punching bag diversity and inclusion training, is just one hour of initial military training for infantry soldiers. and it is during the same period of training time that they spend 160 hours on

rightful marksmanship. and it gets better. because just guess when the mandatory lunch break wink of dei training was passed into law, under president former president donald trump, so just to sum this all up, republicans led up by tom cruise seemed to be more confirmed about a fake map in a movie. an hour of the eye training and over blocking women's access to health care. then ensuring our military is confirmed leadership in place during an incredibly tenuous moment around the world. republicans like tommy tuberville love to claim politics and wokeness, is affecting the readiness of our military. but right now, the only person politicizing the military seems to be him. congresswoman abigail sandberg or knows what it means to serve our country and she is also a member of the house intelligence committee. she joins me to talk about all of this next. of this next fresh like on the titan turkey.

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tenet or tommy tucker villain's hold on democratic nominations is abigail spanberger of virginia. she is a member of the house intelligence committee. thank you so much for joining me this afternoon. i want to start with something you said, because you said, our adversaries are cheering tuberville on, because he is, quote, jeopardizing americas military readiness. we've heard others make this point. give us some specifics having served, and knowing the national security landscape, about what specifically it is putting at risk. >> well, i am a former cia case officer. and i can just imagine that be it in moscow, to iran or anywhere else in the world, that there are foreign adversary nations, and their

leadership, and their intelligence officers looking at the very reality that one singular senator is able to stop the promotion and the appointment of, at this point more than 250 members of our military, including the commandant of the marine corps up in that there is no foreseeable end in sight, and by the end of the year, the pentagon says it will be more than 650 positions. i think that it is real. that foreign countries are recognizing that one person can absolutely put to a screeching halt up for the progression of military careers, and importantly, can stop vital positions to our national security from being filled. >> one of the questions, a lot of people who don't know all of the functions of congress have is how is this even possible? for one senator to halt so significantly and delay these confirmations. i know you've said there could be a workaround there needs to be a deal struck between

schumer and mcconnell, what are the other options, and what do you think the most likely resolution is? >> so what is typically the case, what is supposed to happen, what has always happened is that the senate will bring forth all of these potential promotions. they will pass by unanimous consent, which means they've will proceed on the floor of the united states senate, without any controversy. because, historically, it has not been controversial but we the united states congress, the members that states house or members that state senate, would want military leadership in the positions across the country and around the world that they are needed to serve in. but tommy tuberville is able to stop this process, this unanimous consent process, from moving forward, and that is what is creating this chaos. the reality is is that he has the ability to stop it tomorrow. he could just stop.

these could move forward as unanimous consent as has been the tradition in the history and we could go back to having united states senate that is focused on ensuring the national security. what i want to see happen is i want every single republican senator to tell him to knock it off, to stop it, because frankly, while the senate could vote on every single promotion, the reality that that would be the work around, because indeed, one senator is standing in the way of our military readiness, the fact that we have even have to consider what work-arounds exist because of senator tucker ville is in it of itself, pretty shameful and ridiculous. >> would you be for getting rid of this requirement that promotions need to be approved through the senate, which is part of the holdup, and we could be in the cycle again, unfortunately? i >> think the reality is is that if you look at the tradition in the back of what has occurred it's been that they've moved to before the

united states senate. there's consent, they move forward, because having leadership in our. we a top ranks of the military has previously not been a partisan issue. if united states center in particular, one senator is going to stand in the way of having military leadership in the positions where they are needed, as a regular, obstructionist activity, then yes. perhaps we need to reevaluate the whole process. but the reality is the process shouldn't have to change because there is one man who is behaving so agreed to sleep poorly. you know, i represent quantico. i represent tens of thousands of military force, current active duty service members and veterans. i was in prince william county in my district yesterday. and when speaking to a crowd i said how many of you are marines? how many of you are veterans? have the room in that county raised their hand. and i said that this is where

we are right now. the reality is there is no commandant of the united states marine corps. the number of people who spoke to me afterwards and said, i cannot imagine what it would have been like to serve in the marine corps, many of them served in active duty positions in active war zones in infantry positions. what would it have been like to serve in the united states marine corps, knowing that there was no commandant, that there was no leadership because of one united states senator. it is creating, politicizing the military in a way that is dangerous and it is impacting our military readiness in a way that is just deeply irresponsible. >> congresswoman abigail sandler, thank you for providing a lot of clarity to us. up next, we will pull back the curtain on the so-called moms for liberty and their mission to bend school curriculums across the country to their will. and later saudi arabia is now the center of pro golf. what could they go after next? we are back, after a quick break. ack, after a quick break. break.

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our education system into the front line of the rights ongoing cultural war. that anger no doubt sparked the rise of organization now taking over school boards, pulling books from the shelves and change in curriculum in schools across the country. in fact, according to a 2022 report from a nonprofit that tracks censorship in america 70% of those organizations were formed in about an 18 month period, beginning at the start of 2021. among the largest of these new groups, which you may have heard of, is moms for liberty. it is recently become something of a political powerhouse. just a few weeks ago, they hosted five republican presidential candidates, including the front runners, donald trump and ron desantis. they all came out for moms for liberty. the group has declared itself as a non partisan organization, and its name does sound innocuous enough. moms, great, sounds good. liberty awesome who doesn't like liberty. moms for liberty. as the mom of kids it sounds great to me. but it's a big enough that even

some of its own members are pretty unclear as to what the group is really all about. what they are part of. one mom who became treasurer of an indiana chapter was even quoted asking what am i a part of? i need to know these things. fair question. i'm here to help. i'm here to help you. because as benign as moms for liberty may sound, its agenda is unmistakably extreme. for instance, you may not know that moms for liberty has been helping to lead the movement in pulling books from the library shelves, including classics, like the bluest eye great book kate -- quite, runner mouse as well as other books that deal with the race, diversity, and sexuality. the group has turned school board meetings into unruly shouting matches, as an attendee at one florida meeting described, quote they turn around and scream at me. but i am a cami, and teachers want to see all kids fail, this group brings out the worst in people. the group says that this work, all of the shouting is the work of joyful warriors, is what

they call it. some sounds a lot more to meet like aggressive harassment, and that behavior is not isolated, it is part of a bigger pattern. chapters and numbers across the country have led campaigns targeting community advocates school board members and opposing groups. they've repeatedly sent intimidating messages openly threatened officials and even baselessly leveled charges of child abuse and sympathizing with pedophilia. unbelievably in indiana those chapters put a newsletter that quoted adolf hitler, saying quote, he alone who owns the youth, gains the future. that is a killer quote. and while they eventually apologized, the organization seemed to later regret that apology. >> there's always a reason why something happens, right? when our moms in newsletter quotes hitler. am i stand with that mom can. >> standing by a mom who quotes

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that's why subway's proffered by this champ. and this future champ. and if we proffer it, we know you'll proffer it too. he's cocky for a nineteen year old. >> i know you've likely read something or seen something about the prospective merger between the pga tour in the saudi-backed liv golf league. if you're not a golf fan and with everything going on in the world it may seem like an easy story to just brush through and ignore. but here is why you shouldn't. if saudi arabia through its public investment funds is able to essentially purchase professional golf it would mean that a country with vast wealth and a very troubling record on human rights could potentially clean up its image to its sports ownership. in a hearing earlier this year, richard blumenthal some of the stakes this way. >> today's hearing is about

much more then a game of golf. it is about how a brutal, repressive regime can influence a cherished, american institution. to cleanse its vision. it's a regime that is reportedly killed journalists jailed and tortured dissidents, fostered the war in yemen. and supported other terrorist activities, including the 9/11 attack on our nation. today is about sports. >> joining me now i'm thrilled about this sally jenkins. she's a sports columnist for the washington post and the author of the new book the right call, what sports teaches us, what sports teach us about work and life. so sally, i want to start. you recently wrote a column about the merger in the next steps here. is there anything you think could stop the steal from going through, or is it going to

happen? >> i'm not at all convinced it's going to go through. the department of justice is already showing pretty intense interest in it to the point that the two parties, the saudis and the pga tour dropped one key provision of the framework agreement that they had signed. also, i would not be surprised to see some sort of major revolt by the pga tour players and other board of directors. one director has already stepped down in protest. the strange thing about this deal is at three members of the pga tour policy board to members, plus the commissioner, were able to do this deal in some kind of london smoke filled room with the saudis. >> behind closed doors? >> without anyone else's knowledge of the deal, completely. it is a very strange deal and it bears a lot of examinations. i think we are only just getting started. >> you mentioned that players in a difficult position here. because they are not exactly experts on the complicated relationship between united states and saudi arabia. they are kind of put in a position unwittingly, often, to

defend saudi arabia. how difficult are you hearing that is for them and how are they navigating these type of questions? >> first, there are two different issues for the players. the first one is just the serious governance question that are raised by the fact that there are members that could be signed by the policy board without the regulations. but number, two it creates incredible endorsement complications for a number of them, and the deal begs the question, is it really good for the players? because it is anti competitive. it appears to be narrowing the options for the players, rather than expanding them, less competition is not good for the players. i thought it was a real question of whether to steal only benefits three or four executives rather than the pga tour membership. >> rory mcilroy, one of the best players in golf said this week, quote. if liv golf was the last place to play golf on earth i would retire. that's how i feel about it. i play the majors, but i'd be pretty comfortable not playing.

are you hearing that sentiment from others, and what kind of impact could have on the type of high-level players who could be lost on the support of golf, or retire? gus >> i actually believe that you have not heard the last, or even the first from the players. tiger woods has, his silence has been enormous. until anybody knows tiger woods's position on this there is no guarantee that any deal goes through. rory mcilroy and tiger woods have the ability to take the entire pga tour with them if they choose to dig in and refuse this deal and seek some other deal. one of the strangest things about this agreement is that the pga tour acknowledged in senator blumenthal's very critical hearing that they did not seek any advice. they did not seek any other funding. they did not seek any other options to the steel. presumably, there are options, and the players i think will want to know about that before they sign on to something that was presented to them after total secrecy. >> seems fair. saudi arabia has owned other

sports teams, including new castle, united football club, in the uk, and the sovereign front took over control of soccer clubs in the kingdom as well. where else do you see and some of it may depend on what happens with the doj? but where else do you see them trying to invest, and trying to buy sports teams to help their image? >> well, formula 1 it's an obvious target. they are beginning to initiate talks with a tp tennis, the men 's tennis tour. but there is a distinction here. it is one thing from the saudis to invest in a sport or a business. they have money in uber, the saudi investment fund is 700 billion dollars. they have to invest somewhere. there is a difference between that and lock stock and barrel owning something 100%. most reasonable american businesses limit sovereign government investment in their companies to around 20%. the nba is doing that. the adam silver of the nba has said that the saudis in any other sovereign government find any more than 20% of the team. it is a reasonable rule, it

protects american interests in american security. why the pga tour is doing this as opposed to one of those is when the largest questions of this issue. my personal opinion is that it benefits a small handful of people who are trying to sneak it through for their interests. >> we will be reading your column. sally jenkins, thank you so much, and for those of you who haven't read sal's credible profile on the friendship of tennis legends, chris everett and martina natural, ava do that today after the show is over, of course. it is one of the most powerful and well written pieces i have read all year. up next more of my conversation with congressman jamie raskin during a walk in the park. he talks about the most difficult moment in his life colliding with the most important work he has ever done. we will be right back. we will be right back. t. now you'll profer it too. are you trying to outspokesperson me? maybe. people always ask me, "kevin, what does being the ceo of cashbacking mean to you?"

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will have much more in my conversation with congressman jamie raskin who invited me to join the and one of his regular hikes in rock creek park. among other things he opened up about the painful experience of losing his son tommy who had a long battle with depression and died by suicide a new years eve in 2020. that deeply personal trauma was followed just days later by the national trauma of january six. here's a quick preview. >> now, in the period of time after you lost tommy must also be insurrection and attack in our nation's capital, your

daughter -- feels like just a lot of trauma happening in one period of time. how did you even move forward? >> well i mean when you are going through any of those traumas, you don't really experience yourself as having any choice other than to go through it. and to try to respond the best that you can. and in some ways, the shocking and catastrophic loss of tommy was a certain kind of armor against the violence and the chaos of january 6th. because i had already suffered the absolute worst thing i could ever imagine. and when this was going on, i just experienced a lot of anger and a lot of wonder about how

exactly this all happened. and to set a top. i didn't feel fear at that point. >> we will have much more of my conversation with congressman jamie raskin, including more details of his weekend and his love of shakespeare and his love of bruce springsteen. and of, course his recovery from lymphoma coming up just next weekend. also joining the show next weekend, as maryland's former republican governor larry hogan. national culture of the group no labels which is preparing a potential third party campaign in 2024. i will ask him about the chances that he becomes the nominee. and what he thinks about the impact that could have. that is it for me today, before the show of the fall of the show on tiktok twitter and instagram, whatsapp breece every episode of inside edition sake as a podcast. search for it to wherever you get your podcast to follow the show and be on the. go will be back here sunday at noon eastern, but stay where

you are because there is much more news coming up on msnbc. news coming up on msnbc >> at this, our new reaction in capitol hill over the gop so-called woke culture war. it turned ugly in a very public way. nevada congressman and chair of the congressional back black caucus joins me in minutes to talk about what happened and how to deal with some of his colleagues from across the aisle. what >> a very good day to all of you from the new center here in los angeles. welcome everyone to alex witt reports. we begin with breaking news out of pennsylvania. we rescue crews are actually searching for several missing people including nine month old and two-year-old siblings. the