what a week for the twice indicted republican front runner. jack smith cares apart trump's request for a delay in the documents, trial as we also learned more about what the special counsel is asking witnesses about january six. i sat down with congressman jamie raskin for a deep dive on all of the legal perils surrounding former president. and that's coming up first. plus, football coach turned senator tommy tuberville is single-handedly holding up hundreds of military promotions. over his opposition to the pentagon's abortion policy. congresswoman caliber gayle spanberger joins me to discuss why it is jeopardizing our national security. >> and, later pga tour's tenth -- on the merger with saudi funded liv golf. clearly a new face of sports watching has begun, the question is, what comes next? >> if you can't beat it, delay?

that is pretty much something up donald trump's legal strategy right now. this week the former president and his lawyers asked a federal judge to indefinitely postpone his trial over his mishandling of classified information. in their filing, they have the gall to argue that, quote, the case presents a serious challenge to both the facts and perception of our american democracy. american democracy. and they say that any trial during the presidential election will impact the outcome. now, all of this is pretty ironic considering the defendant here is under investigation for trying to literally overthrow a democratic election. but you don't have to be a lawyer to see through their argument. if the trial a slight until after the election, and trump wins? he could try to use the presidency as a shield from justice. either by directing his own attorney general to dismiss his case, or by trying to pardon himself. and his team isn't really even hiding it. the new york times reported that some of trump's advisers

have privately said, quote, he is looking to winning the election as a solution to his legal problems. saying the quiet part out loud meetings there, there we have. it special counsel jack smith isn't exactly falling for the delay tactics, he responded to the request by stating that there is, quote, no basis in law or fact to grant this motion. but the decision is not exactly up to him, it is in the hands of trump appointed judge aileen cannon. and it certainly sounds like trump is counting on her to do this bidding. here he is an area just this morning. >> there and occasionally judge will grant this motion? >> i don't know, i know it is very highly respected judge, a very smart, agenda very strong judge. >> well you appointed her. . >> i did, and i'm very proud to have appointed her. but she is very smart, and very strong. and loves our country, i mean, loves our country. when he judges that love our country so that they do the right thing. >> subtle, it's very subtle there, mr. trump. meanwhile, as donald trump attempts to fend off the documents, charles the special

counsels prosecutors could be nearing an indictment in their investigation of january 6th. we learned this week that trump's son-in-law jared kushner recently testified before a federal grand jury in that case. according to the new york times, kushner another close aides were asked whether trump privately acknowledged that he lost the 2020 election. and in lawyer speak, it suggests they are trying to show corrupt intent. but trump's efforts were knowingly based on a lie, because he already knew he lost. a few people are as familiar with trump's scheme to overturn election is congressman jamie raskin. he was in the capital on january 6th, let the impeachment trial, and was part of a congressional investigation into the attack. i sat down with him at his home this week to discuss this case and all of the legal troubles facing the former president. >> i want to start with the special counsel's investigation into january 6th, because there was some news this week. the new york times is reporting that prosecutors have questioned multiple witnesses in the recent weeks, including jared kushner. what does that indicate to you

about where they are in the investigation? and what charges it may bring? >> it seems like they are zeroing in on the question of what exactly donald trump knew, and what he believed. there were a lot of indications that we got during the january 6th hearings that he knew he had lost the election. and if they can nail that down with some witnesses, that will solidify his culpable intent. >> jared kushner said he didn't know he lost, it seems in the reporting. which seems to me, or that sounds like your a little skeptical? >> cassidy hutchison told us that he said, can you believe a lost to this guy? so when he was behind the scenes, it was perfectly clear. there also is a series of administrative steps that he took for the government, indicating that he knew there was going to be a, succession of power. and he knew it was really over while he was saying, on the

other side, to the mob, you know, we are gonna stop this. and, you know, we are gonna claim it, and so on. >> what unanswered questions do you have from the investigation? given how deeply you are embedded in this for special counsel jack smith, that you hope people answer? >> there are a number of formal parts of the investigation that i wish we had had more time and more resources to go after. for example we knew that the proud boys and oath keepers were acting as the front find shock troops to attack the officers, and to try to unleash the wrath of the mob against anybody who was protecting us, and to storm the capitol. we know that they were acting in very organized fashion. but we didn't have all of the specific conversations and communications that took place. and obviously they try to guard

-- >> between the oath keepers and -- >> and the people at the top. >> now the department of justice, it has been reported that they had a strategy of waiting on launching a more aggressive investigation into donald trump himself, because they wanted to focus on the oath keepers. and others around him. that has, by all accounts, delayed the process. meaning that it could go most election -- how concerned are you about that? and how do you feel about their strategy to focus on the oath keepers first? >> well it seems to me that they have proceeded the way that prosecutors like to proceed in an organized crime investigation, you start with the smallest fish, and then you work your way up, you get them to flip or to testify, as to the people who were above them, until you got to the very top. and that is how a lot of the godfather prosecutions work. and it seems like they were following that principle, the difference here of course is that so much of donald trump's incitement in coordination of

these events took place in plain view. >> donald trump is also calling for an indefinite delay before he goes to trial, his lawyers are act should say in the classified documents case. and special counsel jack smith's prosecutors argued strongly against any delay, is there any valid argument for a delay? >> i don't think there should be any delay in existing prosecution, otherwise any criminal defendant in the country would declare for president or senate or house or mayor, and say you can't prosecute me anymore, you have to wait until next year or the year after. think about it this way, if somebody is running for office, and then is it located in a murder, or a rape, or an armed robbery, would we say, no, we are gonna hold that until after the election? if in the normal course of events it would take place before? you should be treated exactly the way anybody else would be

treated in the same situation. there have been hundreds of prosecutions of people on the basis of crimes that took place on january 6th. why should he be special? >> there are some reports that some of trump's advisers have been blunt in private conversations, that he is looking to win the election to protect himself by issuing a self pardon. >> how concerned are you about the president? about the legality? about every aspect of it? >> as with so many things relating to donald, trump is what we call case of first impression. nobody knows because nobody has ever pushed the limits like this before. no president has identification where he has had to think about partnering himself, much less less essentially promising to pardon himself. but, you know, james madison said that the federalist papers that the cardinal principle of justice in our system is that no man may be a judge in his own cause, in his own case. so it does seem to cut against

that very basic principle, again, he pushes our legal system to the extreme. and we are focused forced to judge these very radical concepts that i've never been tested before. but i think there is at least a good argument that the president cannot pardon himself, that's the idea that he can. >> you think that is what he is up to? >> well i certainly believe that he is trying to use, he is trying to use his candidacy and his campaign as a shield against legal prosecution. >> given trump hasn't been held accountable yet, it's in process in some ways, he clearly hasn't changed his behavior much, what concerns you the most about what he could do to subvert the next election? >> well a lot of it we are seeing in plain sight right now. there are efforts to change election laws all over the country, where trump loyal

republican party legislative leaders are trying to engage in better suppression tactics. other efforts to undermine the ability to get a fair count in the election. and, you know, what we saw with what they tried to do with the independence day legislature doctrine. which so far has not worked on the supreme court, the idea that sedate legislators essentially can do whatever they want. with respect to elections. >> i want to ask you about the work of the oversight committee, because you and congressman dan goldman sent a letter to oversight chair james comer this week, requesting that he hand over any information that he has received from -- the man who did the gop claim -- following this in detail, had evidence of corruption by the biden family, and who was charged with arms trafficking, sanctions violations, and acting as an unregistered agent for china, it's almost like a part of a movie that is happening right now. according to an indictment,

until this week. what questions what information are you seeking about james comer's involvement with left? and what do you really want to know? >> -- supposed to be the star witness in a reigning joe biden -- told giuliani charges of a fake ukrainian bribery scandal. and a turns out that loft was missing as chairman comer's kept saying -- reason he was missing us because he is a fugitive from justice. he is on the run around the world away from the u.s. government. and this was gonna be the star witness against joe biden. and what i am afraid has happened, jen, is that the trump party has created such a topsy-turvy world that we are getting real life characters like george santos, like donald trump, like gal luft, who say,

i'm gonna be able to launder all of my crimes and wrap myself in the production of the republican party. >> they see targets of people they can go after two of them. >> that's right! >> and so how concerned are you that james comer was the chairman of the committee, was knowingly, unknowingly, working with, co-opted by a foreign agent? >> i am just concerned that the house oversight committee, which is a very proud history with congressman blacksmith as chair, the great elijah cummings of maryland as chair, it's suddenly being compromised in a really serious way. our legitimacy is being eroded by the tactics adopted by chairman comer. they essentially have said, we will validate anybody who will say anything about the bidens. and of course they had -- on president biden. they're real issues there confronting our people, and they are off on this wild goose chase related to hunter biden and joe biden, and they're

laying witnesses who are people who are fleeing justice in america. >> i want to quickly ask you about fox news, because there was a defamation lawsuit filed by write ups against fox news, after the network and former host tucker carlson repeatedly claimed absolute undercover fbi agent who helped provoked the insurrection. the insurrection at the capitol. as a constitutional lawyer, an expert, someone who knows this case deeply, how strong do you think apps defamation case is? >> i think it's a very strong case. in the united states of america, which has the first amendment, it's very hard to prove defamation and someone, very hard. you've got to prove that they intentionally lied or or so reckless about the truth that they ended up essentially disparaging your character in a damaging way. even with that very strict narrow standard, the dominion company was able to win a

settlement out of court with fox news. so he saw how dominion beat fox news and he decided, i'm going to do the same thing. they basically liable of him, they've slandered him, they've defamed him by saying he would lie about who he was when he was one of their supporters. he is on their side. that's one of the things that never ceases to amaze me. the way they turn on their own supporters and devour them. i hope that he's not just in it to defeat them legally, and yet to arrive at a point of epiphany about what kind of authoritarian movement he is associated with. that is the pathway to redemption for america. when people begin to recognize that they were acting like members of a religious cult. unfortunately, there is still millions of people doing that and a lot of them are in congress right now. >> we will have much more of my conversation with congressman jamie raskin coming up later in

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europe and tensions seem to be rising in asia, house republicans seemingly controlled in part by the freedom caucus, are playing politics with pentagon funding. one republican senator is holding up crucial military promotions. things seem to be going great over there, but here is a really important question many of them seem to be meeting -- making time to explore. is barbie communist?

>> senator ted cruz accusing the new barbie movie of pushing ccp propaganda and groveling to the communist regime. his criticism coming after vietnam banned the movie over scenes with a map showing china's claims to the territory in the south china sea, the so-called nine dash line. so, joe, is barbie communists? >> maybe. >> is barbie communist? maybe. yes, you heard that right. apparently, republican senator ted cruz, barbies alleged communism, based on a map in the movie, is more offensive than the actions of his colleague, tommy tuberville, who, just to remind you, is on a one mission in the senate to obstruct staffing of the military at the highest level. back here in the real world right now, there is no confirmed leader of the u.s. marine corps. and guess which division of the military plays a key role in overseeing troops in the south china sea on the real map?

the marine corps. no military leader out there is going to tell you they are more worried about a cartoon map in a movie about a doll then about having qualified members of the military in a position to lead their troops. likewise, no commander will tell you that the biggest problem facing the military it is that it is, quote, too woke. despite what house beaker kevin mccarthy claims. >> just focus on the military. stop using taxpayer money to do their own wokeism. the military cannot defend themselves and be traded and woke, we don't want disneyland to train our military, we want our men and women in the military to have every defense possible. that is what our bill does. >> to train them in woke. who knows about that actually means. mccarthy made those comments after house republicans passed their version of the defense authorization bill, with amendments on abortion, gender transition, care and dei. it bears repeating on this show,

nobody really knows what exactly woke means. it is certainly not what our military leaders are worried about. what they are definitely concerned about is the ability of a single senator to block the promotions of more than 270 officers, and for pay to be blocked to -- pay increases to be blocked to military across the country. if tuberville continues his hold, as many as 650 leadership assistance could be vacant by the end of this year, according to the pentagon. his issue is he doesn't like the pentagon's policy of providing time off and reimbursing travel expenses for those seeking reproductive health care. it's not just about abortions. it is also fertility treatments for people trying to conceive a child. it's important to remember that service members and their families don't control where they are posted. they are sent where their skills are most required. that's how it works. that means they can easily find themselves in a state that has restricted access to health care, even when they needed. pentagon doctors aren't even

authorized to perform abortions, except in cases of rape, incest, and if a mother's life is in danger, which by the way is law. for any woman seeking an abortion that does not fall into those three categories, she needs to seek health care outside the department of defense. and that means seeking it outside of the state where she is stationed. another right-wing conspiracy theory is that the u.s. military is a left-wing organization indoctrinating troops with hundreds of hours of dei training. in actual truth, the right-wing punching back, diversity and inclusion training, it is just one hour, one hour of initial military training for infantry soldiers. and it is during the same period of training time that they spend 160 hours on rifle marksmanship. i think it is getting better. guess, just guess when the mandatory lunch break length of dei training was passed into law? under president, former president donald trump. just to sum this all up,

republicans, led by senators tommy tuberville and ted cruz, seemed to be more concerned about a map in a movie, a fake map in a movie about barbie. an hour of dei training and blocking women's access to health care, then ensuring our military is confirmed leadership in place during an incredibly tenuous moment around the world. republicans like tommy tuberville left to claim politics and wokeness is affecting the readiness of our military. but right, now the only person politicizing the military seems to be him. congresswoman abigail spanberger knows what it means to serve our country and is also a member of the house intelligence committee. she joins me to talk about all of this next. hah! kelly clarkson, we have a kid... and harold. wayfair's got just what you need... performance fabrics, stains don't stand a chance. no chance! -woo! dog friendly and wallet friendly...

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senator tommy tuberville in his hold on military nominations's democratic congresswoman abigail spanberger, a virginia. she is a former cia agent and a member of the house intelligence committee.

thank you so much for joining me this afternoon. i want to start with something you said, because you said our adversaries are cheering tuberville on because he is quote, jeopardizing americas military readiness. we've heard others make this. give us some specifics, having served, and knowing the national security landscape, about what specifically is putting it at risk. >> well, i'm a former cia case officer, and i can just imagine that, be it in moscow, tehran, anywhere else in the world, that there are foreign adversary nations and their leadership and their intelligence officers looking at the very reality that one singular senator is able to stop the promotion and the appointment of, at this point, more than 250 members of our military, including the commandant of the marine corps. and that there is no

foreseeable end in sight. by the end of the year, the pentagon says that's going to be more than 650 positions. i think it is real and that foreign countries are recognizing that one person can absolutely put to a screeching halt the progression of military careers and, importantly, can stop positions, vital positions to national security from being filled. >> now one of the questions, a lot of people who don't know the functions of congress hat is how is this even possible? for one senator to halt so significantly delay these confirmations. i know you said there could be a work around. there needs to be a deal struck between schumer and mcconnell. what are the other options? what do you think the most likely resolution is? >> so what is typically the case, what is supposed to happen, what has always happened is that the senate will bring forth all these potential promotions, they will pass by unanimous consent,

which means they proceed on the floor of the united states senate without any controversy. because historically, it has not been controversial that we, in the united states congress, the eight members of the house or the senate, would want military leadership in the position across the country and the world that they are needed to serve in. but tommy tuberville is able to stop this process, this unanimous consent process, from moving forward. and that is what it is creating this chaos. the reality is he has the ability to stop it tomorrow. he could just stop these -- unanimous consent, as has been the tradition in history, and we could go back to having a united states senate that is focused on ensuring or national security. what i want to see happen is i want every single republican senator to tell him to knock it off, stop it. because, frankly, while

presumably the senate could vote on every single promotion, the reality that that would be the work around because, indeed, one senator is standing in the way of our military readiness, the fact that we haven't had to consider what work-arounds exists because of senator tuberville is in and of itself pretty shameful and ridiculous. >> would you be for getting rid of this requirement that for promotions need to be approved for the senate? which is part of the holdup and we could be in this cycle again, unfortunately. >> i think the reality is if you look at the tradition and the background of what has occurred, it has been that they move before the united states senate, there is unanimous consent, they move forward, because having leadership in our top ranks of the military previously has not been a political, politicized, or partisan issue. if the united states senator, in particular one senator is going to stand in the way of

having military leadership in the positions where they are needed as a regular obstructionist activity, then yes, perhaps we need to reevaluate the whole process. but the reality is, the process should not have to change because there is one man who is behaving so egregiously poorly. i represent quantico, i represent tens of thousands of military current active duty service members and veterans. i was in prince william county in my district yesterday. when speaking to a crowd, i said how many of you are marines, how many of you are veterans? half the room in that county raised their hand. i said, this is where we are right now. the reality is there is no commandant of the united states marine corps. the number of people who spoke to me afterwards and said, i cannot imagine what it would've been like to serve in the marine corps, many of them served in active duty positions in active war zones in infantry

positions, what it would have been like to serve in the united states marine corps knowing that there was no commandant, no leadership because of one united states senator. it is creating -- it is politicizing the military in a way that is dangerous and it is impacting our military readiness in a way that is just deeply responsible. >> congresswoman abigail spanberger, thank you for your service, thank you for providing a lot of clarity to all of us. up next, we will pull back the curtain on the so-called moms for liberty and their mission to ban school curriculums across the country to their will. and later, saudi arabia's now the center of pro golf. what could they go after next? we are back after a quick break. ick break. >> hi, i'm richard louis, here is what is happening -- now stands at five after a woman remains were found this afternoon. officials now desperately searching for two children, a toddler, and an infant who were in a car overtaken by a flash

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restrictions, which then morphed into outrage over the teaching of race and identity, outrage of crt, critical race theory, which rapidly turned our education system into the far -- front line of the far-right's ongoing cultural. war that anger sparked the rise of organizations focused on taking over school boards, pulling books from the shelves, and changing curriculums across the country. in fact, according to a 2022 report from a nonprofit that tracks censorship in america, 70% of those organizations were formed in about an 18 month period, beginning at the start of 2021. among the largest of these new groups, which you may have heard of, is moms for liberty. it has recently become something of a political powerhouse. just a few weeks ago, they hosted five republican presidential candidates, including the front runners, donald trump and ron desantis. they all came out for moms for liberty. and now the group has declared itself as a non partisan organization. and it's named the sound innocuous enough. moms, sounds great, good.

liberty, awesome. who doesn't like liberty? moms for liberty. that even sounds good to me as a mom of two young kids. but it's vague enough that some of its own members are pretty unclear about what the group is really all about, what they are a part of. one mom, who became treasurer of an indiana chapter, was even quoted as, asking what am i a part of? i need to know these things. fair question. i'm here to help. i'm here to help you. as benign as moms for liberty may sound, it is -- its agenda is unmistakably extreme. for instance, you may not know that moms for liberty has been helping to lead the movement in pulling books from the library shelves. including classics like the bluest eye, a great book, the cochrane, are amazing book, and mouse, as well as other books that is about race, diversity, and sexually. the group has turned school board meetings into unruly shouting matches, as an attendee at one florida meeting described, they turned around and screamed at me that i am a cami and teachers want to see all kids fail.

this brooks -- group brings out the worst in people. the group says this work, all this shouting is the work of joyful warriors, is what they call it. sounds a lot more to me like pretty aggressive harassment. that behavior is not isolated, it's part of a bigger pattern. chapters and numbers across the country have led campaigns to getting community advocates, school board members, and opposing groups. they've repeatedly sent intimidating messages, openly threatening officials, and even baselessly leveled charges of child abuse and sympathizing with pedophilia. unbelievably, in the indiana chapter, they even put out a -- quoting it off, hitler he alone who owns the youth gains the future. that is a hitler quote. while they eventually apologized, the organization seemed to later regret that apology. >> there is always -- right? one of our moms in a newsletter quotes hitler.

i stand with that mom. [applause] >> standing by a mom who quotes hitler in a newsletter, people cheering for that, that's what you just saw. that's their claim that they are just a group of nonpartisan moms who care about liberty, consider this. one of the founders, whose name is notably emitted from the website, is a current republican school board member who is married to the now chairman of the florida republican party. in 2020, when he told the washington post, quote, i've been trying for a dozen years to get 20 and 30-year-old females involved with the republican party, but now moms for liberty has done it for me. sounds pretty apolitical. below the surface of their friendly send -- sounding name and politically vague tagline, they are an unapologetically extreme organization that has built a long record of harassment and controversy, in a pretty short period of time. some free advice out there for

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something or seen a headline about the expected murder between the pga tour and the saudi-backed liv golf lead. if you're not a dolphin, and frankly with everything else going on in the world, it might seem like an easy story to brush through and ignore. here's why you shouldn't. if saudi arabia, through its public investment fund is able to essentially purchase professional golf it would mean a country with vast wealth and a very troubling record on human rights could potentially clean up its image throughout sports ownership. in a hearing earlier this, week

senator richard blumenthal summed up the stakes this way. >> today's hearing is about much more then a game of golf. it's about how a brutal, repressive regime can by influence and indeed take over a cherished american institution. to cleanse its public image. it's a regime that is reportedly killed journalists, jailed and tortured dissidents, fostered a war in yemen, and supported other terrorist activities, including the 9/11 attack on our nation. today's about sports. >> joining me now, and i'm thrilled about, this sally jenkins, a sports columnist for the washington post and the author of the new, book the right call, what sports teach us about work and life. i want to start, you recently wrote a column about the merger and the next steps here.

is there anything you think could stop this deal from going through? or is it just going to happen? >> i'm not at all convinced it's going to go through. the department of justice has already been showing pretty intense interest in it, to the point is that the two parties, the saudis and the pga tour, and dropped one key provision of the framework agreement they had signed. also, i would not be surprised to see some sort of major revolt by the pga tour players and other board of directors. one director has already stepped down in protest. the strange thing about this deal is that three members of the pga tour policy board, two members plus the commissioner, were able to do this deal in some kind of london smoke filled room with the saudis. >> behind closed doors. >> with the knowledge of the deal, completely, it's a very strange deal. there's a lot of examination. i think we are just getting started. >> you mentioned players are in a pretty difficult position here. i know you talked to a number of them. they aren't exactly experts on

the complicated relationship between the u.s. and saudi arabia. they are kind of put in a position, unwittingly often, to defend saudi arabia. how are you -- how difficult are you hearing that is for them and how are they navigating these tough questions? >> first, there are two different issues for the players. the first one is just the serious governance questions raised by the fact that this deal could be signed by members of their policy board without their knowledge. that is number one. but number two is, yes, it creates incredible endorsement complications for a number of them. it also, the deal begs the question, is this really good for the players? because it's anticompetitive. it appears to be narrowing the options for the players rather than expanding. them less competition is not good for the players. there is a real question of whether this deal only benefits three or four executives, as opposed to the pga tour membership. >> well, rory mcilroy, one of the best players in golf, said this, if liv golf was the last

place to play golf on earth, i would retire. that's how i feel about it. i play the majors, but i'd be pretty comfortable not playing. are you hearing that sentiment from others? what kind of impact could it have on the type of high-level players who could be lost from the sport of golf or retire? >> i actually believe that you've not heard the last or even the first from the players. tiger woods silence has been enormous. until anybody knows tiger woods position on, this there's no guarantee that any deal goes through. rory mcilroy tiger woods have the ability to take the entire pga tour with them if they choose to dig in and refuse this deal and seek some other deal. one of the strangest things about this agreement is that the pga tour acknowledged in senator blumenthal's very critical hearing that they did not seek any advice, they did not seek any other funding, they did not seek any other options to this deal. presumably, there are options. the players, i think, will want to know about that before they sign on to something that was

presented to them after total secrecy. >> seems fair. and now, saudi arabia has owned other sports teams, including new castle united football club in the uk, and these sovereign friend took over the -- some of them may depend on what happens with the doj, but where else do you see them try to invest and buy sports teams to help their image? >> formula 1 is an obvious target. they are beginning to initiate talks with 80 ptens, the men's tennis tour. there is a distinction here. it's one thing for the saudis to invest in a sport or business. they have money in uber, they have money in -- the saudi investment fund is 700 billion dollars. they have to invest somewhere. there is a difference between that and lock, stock and barrel owning something 100 percent. most reasonable american businesses limit sovereign government investment and their companies to around 20%. the nba is doing that. the adam silver of the nba has

said the saudis or any other sovereign government fund cannot buy more than 20% of the team. it's a reasonable rule. it protects american interests and american security. why the pga tour is doing this deal as opposed to one of those is one of the largest questions in this issue. my personal opinion is that it benefits a small handful of people who are trying to sneak it through for their interests. >> we will be reading your column, sally jenkins. thank you so much. for those of you who have not read her incredible profile on the friendship of tennis legends chris everett and -- do that today after the show is over, of course. it is one of the most powerful and most well written pieces i've read all year. up next, my conversation with jamie raskin during a walk in the park. he talks about the most difficult moment in his life colliding with the most important work he's ever done. we will be right back. be right back. our heritage is ingrained in our skin. and even when we metamorphosize into our new evolved form, we carry that spirit with us.

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routine, we will have much more of my conversation with congressman jamie, raskin who invited me to join in on one of his regular hikes and a rock creek park. among other things, the congressman opened up about the painful experience about losing his son, tommy, who -- died by suicide on new year's eve, 2020. in that deeply personal trauma was followed just days later by the national trauma of january 6th. here is a quick preview. >> in the period of time after you lost tommy was also the

insurrection and the attack on our nation's capital. your daughter was with you. that feels like a lot of trauma happening in one period of time. how did you even move forward? >> well, i mean, you know when you are going through any of those traumas you don't really experience yourself as having any choice other than to go through it or try to respond the best that you can. in some ways, be shocking, catastrophic loss of tommy was a certain kind of armor against the violence and the chaos of january 6th. i had already suffered the absolute worst thing i could ever imagine. when this is going on, i just experienced a lot of anger and

a lot of wonder about how exactly this all happened and who set it up. i didn't feel fear at that point. >> we will have much more of my conversation with congressman jamie raskin, including more details of his weekend routine, his love of shakespeare, and his love of bruce springsteen. of course, his recovery from lymphoma coming up just next weekend. also joining the show next weekend's maryland's former republican governor, larry hogan. his co-chair of the group no labels, preparing a potential third party campaign in 2024. i will ask him about the chances he becomes the nominee and what he thinks about the impact that could have. that does it for me today. be sure to follow us on twitter, tiktok, and instagram. now you can listen to every episode of inside with jen psaki as a podcast for free. search for inside with jen psaki wherever you get your

podcasts, to follow the show and listen anytime on the go. we will be back here next sunday at noon eastern. stay right where you are because there is much more news coming up on msnbc. >> good evening and welcome to ayman. tonight, pushing back. special counsel jack smith and just rejected donald trump's bid to delay his classified documents trial. but who's side will the judge take? plus holding hostage, republicans weaponizing the government and hurting our country. all of the name of culture wars. and stepping up. chief justice john roberts -- supreme court ethics crisis, such senate democrats are taking the lead. i am michael steele in for my friend ayman mohyeldin. let's get started. ♪ ♪ ♪