-- and exposed cracks in what some call the mafia state he has run for the last two decades. all because of a fight within the family. >> good evening and welcome to ayman. tonight, pushing back. special counsel jack smith and just rejected donald trump's bid to delay his classified documents trial. but who's side will the judge take? plus, holding hostage, republicans weaponizing the government and hurting our country. all in the name of culture wars. and stepping up. chief justice john robertswill not act on the supreme court ethics crisis, such senate democrats are taking the lead. i am michael

steele in for my friend ayman mohyeldin. let's get started. ♪ ♪ ♪ tonight, we begin with a major legal setback for donald trump. after seeking to delay his classified documents trial until after the 2024 election, the twice indicted ex president has been met with major pushback from special counsel jack smith. trump's legal team had argued that under smith's proposed timeline for the trial, which they called unreasonable, a fair trial would not be possible and considerations should be paid to the fact that much of the presidents schedule will be consumed with campaigning. in effect, trump wanted to postpone the trial indefinitely and was using his presidential run as an excuse. but in a court filing this week, assistant special counsel david harbuck did not mince words saying, quote, many indicted defendants are demanding jobs that require a considerable amount of their time and energy, or a significant amount of travel. the speedy trial act contemplates no such factor as

a basis for a continuance and the court should not indulge it here. in responding to a trump team contention that the presidential records act is enough to prevent the case from even going to trial, harbuck said that defense, quote, borders on frivolous and in no way purports to address the retention of national security information. these developments come as we are learning more about just how carefree donald trump may have been with our nation's secrets while in office. former trump administration official miles taylor alleges in a forthcoming book that during an oval office meeting in 2018, trump picked up classified documents related to intelligence on jamal khashoggi's death and displayed them in front of reporters. taylor writes, we were all disturbed by the laps in protocol and poor protection of classified information. but trump, as always, is -- apparent carefree approach to

government information. in fact, back then, he was quite concerned about a different kind of information getting out to the public, leaks from his own team. >> i think adam schiff is the biggest leaker in washington. he is a corrupt politician. >> he will leak all sorts of information. you know, he's a bad guy. comey is a leaker and a liar. not only on this stuff. he's been leaking for years. we will find the leakers and they will pay a big price for the leaking. i've actually called the justice department to look into the leaks. those are criminal leaks. >> in his book, miles taylor alleges that as president trump wanted to, quote, tap the phones of white house aides, suspected of leaks. despite the obvious illegality of the proposal. serious question. you can crack down on your aides for leaking information, but you have no problem waving around our nation's secrets in front of reporters? we have an all-star

panel to kick things off. former alabama senator doug jones, the author of bending toward justice, the birmingham church bombing that changed the course of civil rights. terrace that mayor, senior adviser for the lincoln project, and -- msnbc political analyst and professor at princeton university. senator, let us begin with you this evening. your reaction to this blistering response from special counsel jack smith on trump's request to delay the trial until after the election. >> i think it was absolutely appropriate, everything jacks mitt put in that pleading was basic law one-oh-one, prosecution one-oh-one in federal court. there is no right for this. what's interesting, michael, is that

one would think if he was going to be that busy, donald trump would try to get this over with quite early because he says he is innocent. it seems to me that what he is trying to do is delay until after the election in hopes he might have the ability to pardon himself. i think jack smith's response was absolutely appropriate. at the end of the day, the fact that this man is the former president of the united states, it's a significant factor. but really, this is a very basic the documents case. it's not going to be that difficult to try. it's not going to be that many incredible legal issues that the judge can handle. this case could be tried in december if not before. >> we played that montage a moment ago about how trump had such a negative view of leakers back in the day, right? now republicans are okay with leaking classified material because it's donald trump doing the leaking, right? >> just add that to the litany of hypocrisy that the republican party has endured and put up with and made excuses for during the era of trump. it is laughable to listen to some of the defenses of donald trump from republicans and trump himself.

i mean, he can't get his story straight. i think we've never seen a defendant admit to guilt as often in public as donald trump has. i don't know how he is able to keep any lawyers at all. this idea of delaying the trial and again another way of claiming victim, jack smith was absolutely right to tear into the defense councils excuses for this. when they've given that more than enough time, and they've given them time to get their security clearances which they still don't have. they are slow walking that. they can't handle all the documents for them to review until the lawyers get their security clearances. they are trying all these things to slow walk and then they turn around and complain they are the victim. on top of, that we have to worry about this judge is going to do, this trump-appointed judge cannon. this is a pivotal moment for her career. is she going to let donald trump and his defense team get away with this kind of stuff? going after the prosecutor, insulting him, calling him a crack head. this

is insanity. if we were defendants, we would never be able to get away with this type of disrespect and this type of bloviating, especially someone with a platform like that. judge gagged him and telling him he acted like a middle schooler. that's what trump is doing by going after the special prosecutor and not only, that his words have consequences. people need to understand, jack smith has had to get security, u.s. marshals protect him and his team. the government spent almost $2 million, over that by now, for the first half of this year to protect them. why? because of things like this from donald trump. it's irresponsible, unbecoming, and republicans seem to have no problem with this whatsoever, they seem to go along with it. >> eddie, on both senator jones'and tara's point about the confidence that

not only donald trump but republicans have about trump being so much in the right here, i find this push for, you know, delaying the trial are slow rolling the process to be really intriguing for me. what is your take on what do you think is going on there? maybe something trump is more concerned about than not. >> i think it is fake confidence, i think he is worried, throwing the spaghetti against the wall. we know that what they repeat--the argument that they've made has no basis in law or fact. i think jack smith's response was spot on. i think what's really going on is how can they delay until we are in the middle of the campaign. we know that the first republican debate is in the 38 days, 37 or 38 days. now what trump and his team were trying to do is get us in the thick of the political campaign so they can make that argument that, you know, in fact, this is a political witch hunt aimed at trying to keep him from winning

the white house. i think it is a strategy, but i also think underneath that strategy is a deep-seated worry, michael, that he -- when it comes to this document case. >> it's interesting, because they are supposed to have a scheduled hearing i believe in this case on friday. judge aileen cannon has now belated to this upcoming tuesday, it was supposed to have been this past friday. what is the reason for the delay, do you think? it does it add credence to this fear that may be working, you know, more in trump's interest than his usual for a judge who is supposed to be impartial? >> i really don't. some of these requests for delays can get delayed by a week, two weeks, three weeks, depending on the judges schedule. the fact that she just delayed it a couple of business days, i think it is something in her favor. i think she wants to move this. i think she wants to see where this is going to, go how this is going to take. i want to mention one other thing regarding smith's

response that i think it is important for people to remember in terms of timing. he also talked about the fact that the justice department is going above and beyond what is required under the rules and the law to give this witness statements, grand jury material, those kinds of things are usually not given over until the eve of trial and, legally, they don't have to do it until a witness testifies. but he's already turning over that information right now. it's going to be really difficult, i think, for the defense to make a case that we need more time because there are so many documents we are not getting. we just need more time. absolutely, i'm going to give the judge a little bit of the benefit of the doubt on this. i think she set this as quickly as she could. that is a good thing. >> that's good to hear. tara, so, i'm sure it'll come as no surprise to you that trump was arguing he has the right to have these documents under the presidential records act, which we all know he does not because the act says he doesn't. but here he is on fox

this morning. take a listen. >> this is all election interference, there is no case here. it comes under the presidential records act. i'm allowed to do this, i'm allowed to have all the records i want. >> so who is the fool here? >> every single person who sends donald trump a dollar, every republican that tries to defend him in public, and, you know, this is what he does. he constantly does this. he tells people the complete opposite of what is true. he is a sociopath. we already know this. he's a narcissist who cannot tell the truth to save his life. this is what he is trying to do again. he knows it's the tactic. we all in politics know this, and communications. you repeat, it repeat it, repeat it enough and people start to believe it. it's not what you can prove, it's what you get people to

believe. he has duped millions of people into believing his bs. now that affects the stakes of national security, this is the health of our democracy, and it's an authoritarian tactic as well. it is undermining our democratic institutions. we need to continue to call it out. every single interview that anyone does, they should always go back to, this is absolutely not true, this is what the law says, he is lying. he is lying to the american people and we will not get him to -- let him get away with it. we believe in our criminal justice system, he clearly does not. he thinks that -- >> there is an aspect of this i find particularly intriguing. i think it is an interesting play for jack smith, the speculation out there that smith may have a backup plan, a plan b in case judge cannon or to pocket veto the charges before the 2024 election. this would include sidestepping cannon by proceeding with charges against trump in new jersey. what do you think of that strategy? does it make sense in light of how the judge approached the last case before her involving donald trump? >>

well, it makes sense to have a plan b. i don't know. i'm going to agree with the former senator, given the decision she just rendered in terms of delaying just a few days. she said we will give her the benefit of the doubt. but it makes sense jacks mitt will have -- should have a plan b. but i want to echo something terraces. we need to understand what trump is doing when he is lying like this, michael. but we also need to understand he is going into a court of law. he's going before a judge. he can lie all he wants to the american people, but his behind will end up in jail even though he thinks he's interpreting the law as it should be interpreted. he's going before a judge. he can say whatever he says, whatever the act means, but we know with the lies, so does the judge, and so will the jury. >> all, right panel, stick around. we have a bit

more coming after the break. we will discuss macau republicans holding our government hostage. but first, richard lui is here with the headlines. >> good evening to you. this suspect in a georgia mass shooting was shot and killed following nearly a 24-hour man hunt. a sheriff deputy and police officer were injured trying to arrest andre longmore. authorities say andre longmore killed four people in hampton, georgia. five people are dead and a toddler and an infant missing after a flash flood in bucks county, pennsylvania. up to seven inches of rain hit the area in less than one hour. ten people were rescued in that area as well. and then in alabama, a missing 25-year-old woman was found safe. police received a 9-1-1 call late last night saying carly russell had returned to her home. she was taken to a hospital and later released. carly made news after she saw a toddler walking along an interstate highway and disappearing after she stopped to help. detectives were not able to locate the reported child. more ayman with michael steele right after this break.

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chase would be charitable. jim jordan select subcommittee on the so-called weaponization of the federal government has had six months now to uncover evidence of a deep state malfeasance as msnbc's steve bennett writes, the process hasn't gone especially well. joints crusade has produced nothing. the far-right chairman has cameron -- complains from disappointing conservatives

that expected him to deliver. he has seen many headlines deriving his select committees as a dud. the thing is, there are actual instances of government weaponization that jordan could be looking into. they just would not be, well, politically convenient. consider how former president trump pressed the irs to investigate two fbi and officials investigating his campaign ties to russia. former fbi director james comey, and former deputy director andrew mccabe. that is according to sworn testimony from his former chief of staff john kelly. or how trump without security assistance from ukraine while seeking to have the country open a probe into hunter biden. or you can fast forward to today, as we find a different kind of weaponization with one man roadblock, alabama senator tommy tuberville, holding up hundreds of military promotions as a self interested form of protest. my panel is back with me. tara, do you think that

republicans recognize that cognitive dissonance thing, calling themselves the party of law and order? and then in the next breath, bellowing demands to defund the fbi, to defund the doj, and purge the government of anybody who is not a maga loyalist. >> as i often say, cognitive dissonance is a hell of a drug in politics. we are watching this unfold display. these people are shameless. they really are. there is no bottom for them. this used to be a part of what attracted me to being a republican early on, the strong stance supporting law enforcement, supporting national security, foreign policy stopping at the bipartisanship, stopping in the water's edge of foreign policy. strong world alliances, being leaders of a democracy in the world. all of that is out the

window. out the window. republican party is now a national security threat to this country. they despise the military, they disrespect their service with these types of antics, by this traitor, senator tuberville. he just put out an ad being played on certain military bases, and in the d. c. area, pointing this back out from quantico to alabama. with this guy is doing is despicable. what the republicans are doing by letting him get away with this and letting him get caught up in this culture war is personal grievance culture war. these draconian positions the republicans are taking, analyzing women and everything else. this is a national security threat to the country. besides that, tuberville is also a racist. that is another conversation. but the republicans are doing here, they have lost all moral ground, any type of credibility when it comes to saying that they

support law enforcement or the military, as long as they continue to do these antics. we should call it out, and democrats should capitalize on this. don't let republicans co-op this issue. patriotism doesn't belong to them. >> senator, that is an excellent point. there are a lot of argument around the points that she makes, how democrats respond to what we see with republicans right now. i want to get your take on fbi director chris wray's performance before the house judiciary committee on wednesday. did he walk out of that clown car crash unscathed, do you think? >> i don't think that you can walk out of any crash completely unscathed, but i think that chris wray did a very fine job of explaining where the fbi is, what they are doing, the fact that the mar-a-lago investigation is a very serious matter involving classified documents. the fact of the matter is, michael, any politician that gets under investigation, gets indicted, is going to stray in politics. no matter who it is. unfortunately, we have almost the entire republican caucus in

the house of representatives jumping on the bandwagon. that makes it seem worse than it is. the fact is, director wray, i think that he knew what he was getting into when he walked into that room. i think he did a fine job of laying out the facts, and democrats did a pretty good job. i agree with terror that i think the democrats need to start calling this stuff out more and more. whether it is tuberville, jordan, we have really got to start using all of the leverage that we can to try and call this out. this 24 election is just around the corner. >> absolutely. i want to pivot with you, my friend, a little bit. we can get into conversations that you and i have had over the years as we, at times, battled and at times agreed. one of the things that struck me about this moment, and wanted to get your context on, how a senate once led by republican champion of civil

rights, then senate minority leader edward durkson of illinois, who has an entire senate building named after him, how he is now being held captive by senator tommy tuberville, a man that cannot even admit white nationalists are racist. talk to us about how that form of weaponization has gotten us to where we are right now. >> it is a complicated story, my friend. it has everything to do with the republican party. what it has made with its right-wing racist space. we can talk about those slights of southern dixiecrats to the republican party. you can talk about the kind of dog whistles that have played such a central part of republican politics during the decade of the 80s. how it was such a critical feature of how republicans sought power, and the way in which that were metastasized. and in some ways has overrun the republican

party. here we have in this moment the maga republican, which is just simply the kind of grandchild of those dixiecrats who came into the republican party, and are actually showing or demanding that the party in some ways show fidelity to it. here we have this moment, and it's really key for us to understand. these particular republicans operate not in good faith. that is the first thing. secondly, they operate with the understanding that they are two american. with two sets of rules. there is an america that they imagine themselves to be the rulers. the america where they obtain, where they hold power, and then there are the rest of us who should simply shut up and obey. if we don't, we shall be punished. we need to understand that difference. they operate within the understanding of to america there. fighting for one, and they want the rest of us to simply obey. >> eddie, i want to take that part and broaden

it. that devolution that you are talking about, which is exemplified in the senate, the devolution of the gop on issues of race is the other variable. that is also now something that is coursing through the veins of the country, not just contained to the party. how does that play into this? i would like to get both doug and senator terrace view in this. how this poison is kind of eating not just the gop, but remember, trump got 8 million more votes than he had in 2016. there are a whole lot of americans that are coursing through the veins in this regard. right? >> right. yes, absolutely. it has to do with the information ecosystem, where americans are silent, where we have large numbers of the population, getting information, this stoke grievances. it is the history of the country, michael. at every moment, at every historical term, where we have tried to address the contradiction at the heart of the country, where we have

tried to become that truly genuine multi racial democracy, which affirms the dignity and standing with every american, no matter the color of their skin, no matter their zip code, no matter who they love, no matter their gender and ability. there has always been the trail of backlash, the kind of rejection of our efforts. we find ourselves squarely in that moment where the contradiction of the country is in full view, and the desire for coherence, and that means the ugliness has returned. it is not just simply the republican party. it has been the story of the american journey to now. >> tara, and then senator, you close this out. >> it has been a very fascinating and alarming picture to watch unfold here. the idea of grievance, the power of grievance, of people feeling as though they need somebody to come in and -- they've been told over and over

again that they are the victims. whether it is the ecosystem, and then the professor talks about coming out of fox news and white right-wing media, beating that drum over and over again. reinforcing this idea of grievance, as opposed to embracing the changes of the country, embracing diversity of this country. it has gone the complete opposite way. now we see these divides that are very scary to me. we need to address some of these underlying foundations. and not to back away from it. because it's uncomfortable for people. we have to address it head on. people like donald trump, and what republicans are, doing the hypocrisy in what they are fueling, it's not consistent with how a democracy functions. we can no longer have a distrust of our community and of our people, things that bond us together if we are ever

going to get past this. it's part of why this fight is so important. it's the only way that we are going to combat this -- in march, and not let donald trump get away with some of the insanity that he is said, like last night, telling us what he's going to do. this is a candidate of a grievance, of a vengeance, and of retribution. that is not the america that i watch for our future. >> doug? >> you know, michael, eddie is right. this is historically what we do in terms of politics. we stoke these fears, people vote against people they, don't vote for people. it seems to me like we have to do such a better job in this country of educating people about who we are and what our constitution really says, what the declaration of independence really says. what our history, and with all of its issues, all of its problems, all of its bad things that have happened in this country, all of the great things that happened in this country. we just don't do that the way that

we should. right before i came here, i finished a presentation about the 16th street baptist church bombing. in that case that i prosecuted. it was 60 years ago this september, and i kept telling this audience, we have to remember things like that so that we don't go back. but this is more than just the rhetoric. this results in violence to people. it is not just black and white like it was in the 60s. it is religion, it is hispanics, it is asian, it is jewish folks, it's incredible. we have to do a better job of civic engagement, read the book about saving the american republic and getting folks involved in civil civic and gauge meant. we really have to do that and teach our children better. >> each of you nailed it in your own special way. former senator doug jones, tara setmayer, thank you all very much. up next, the supreme court is in the middle of an ethics crisis, and chief justice john roberts refuses to act. having triplets is...

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20th, the senate judiciary committee will vote on whether to advance the supreme court ethics bill led by senator sheldon whitehouse, and committee chairman dick durbin. the supreme court ethics recusal and transparency act would give the court 180 days to adopt a code of conduct, allow the public to submit their complaints, establish new rules for disclosure of gifts and travel, and impose recusal rules. this of course, coming on the heels of damning reports, many from propublica that found justices clarence thomas and samuel alito received gifts from conservative -- and luxury trips, and even tuition payments and real estate deals

in thomas's case. this might come as no surprise that someone on the right are already opposed to this legislation, like mitch mcconnell, who thinks the democrats are just complaining, trying to undermine the courts independents with this move. let's put this in perspective. there is no indication that justice thomas and alito ever ruled differently because of these gifts. that does not mean that they should not be held to a code of ethics, to be held accountable. roberts will not take action on the matter. guess what? congress should. it makes perfect sense. joining us now is in bill highs, or senior correspondent at fox, and no -- president of citizens for -- welcome to you both. let's start with you. propublica points out that the proposed code of ethics, which the court would create and publish, does not lay out in detail what rules they should include. what have you seen in your reporting, and are there potential pitfalls that could really damage the progress of this legislation? >> there are two huge pitfalls. one is that republicans control the house, and in much the way same they

protected donald trump from impeachment when democrats tried to move him from office, i suspect that they are likely to protect people like clarence thomas and samuel alito from this ethics code. the other problem is that, let's say it passes. now what? what do you do when thomas and alito say, well, i am going to keep flying on billionaires jets? the only way to remove them from office is impeachment. that takes 67 votes in the senate. my biggest concern about this is that even if it passes, what is the enforcement mechanism against one of america's nine de facto philosopher camps? >> i want to get your thoughts on the parameter, which should be the parameters for these rules. the new york times released an in-depth report on this week about his decades long membership, for example in the

alito -- association, because through this membership, he has apparently received benefits from a broader cohort of wealthy and powerful friends. when we talk about creating ethics rules for justices, should there be any that prevent them from joining these types of organizations? what do you think those parameters should look like? >> the first thing is that you need rules at all. right now, there are none. we all understand that when people aren't subject to rules, they -- everyone wants to give themselves the benefit of the doubt. everybody thinks that they are well intentioned. when you have this situation where these very powerful people are subject to no rules, they give themselves more and more leeway, pretty soon they are operating in ways that have nothing to do with the rest of us as americans operate. we are subject to rules. the first thing is that you just need rules. i do think that having

some real requirements as to what needs to be reported is a huge first step, because if people know the public is looking, finding out who's giving them gifts, who's giving them money, that is going to deter some of the worst abuses. i do think that there ought to be limits on participation events that are secret, that are partisan in nature. there do have to be some limits. i think that it would get us so much further than where we are today to having any limits at all, and it is almost like we can worry about the specifics of them once we start to go down that path to begin with. >> let's get something started first, and then we will worry out on the back end what that ultimately will look like. ian,

i think that that is something that senators whitehouse and durbin are trying to get their hands around. they sent the letters this week to policy singer, leonard leo, and robin kelly, who were involved in justice alito's 2008 luxury fishing trip. depending on what comes out of their findings, if those inman choose to respond, what do you think that will look like in shaping some of this narrative? is it damning in any way for justice alito? >> i think what we already know about justice alito is damning. don't take big expensive gifts from billionaires when you are a powerful government official. i would think that was obvious. maybe it will turn out because congress is investigating them, someone like pulsing or will be very embarrassed. he might back away from this sort of activity. i would not bet on it, and part of the reason why is because a lot of the people

that the judiciary committee has tried to subpoena has claimed but they will not be subpoenaed. do you know who you go to if you are congress and you subpoena somebody, and the person does not obey the subpoena, you go to the courts. you eventually go to the supreme court, and so ultimately, if they decide to resist this, it is going to be people like thomas and alito who decide whether or not they're sugar daddies get to testify in congress. >> there are parts of this emerging story that sort of lend itself to, okay, really? what is going on here? a big example is the guardian reporting the lawyers but that have argued cases before the supreme court, and including the recent striking down of affirmative action, apparently sent money to a top clarence thomas aid via venmo. it is unclear what the payment was before. there were only references to a christmas party. talk us through just how far reaching these things could go, and the kind of difficulty,

or even threat they pose as another example of ethical lapses for justices. >> look, the things that we already know are so widespread, it is so damning. just with justice thomas, we know as ian was saying, that justice thomas repeatedly took lavish gifts and trips from a billionaire who ultimately had business before the court, and had strong views about what the court should do. he did not report those. we know that he had a relative's tuition paid by this billionaire. we know that the same person who is putting his mother up rent free. this is stuff that is so far away from the experience of regular americans. it did not happen, once it did not happen twice, it happened again and again for decades. every time

that we learn more, as we have learned about justice thomas's membership in this organization. where billionaires were paying for all kinds of things for him, there are these -- i don't think we understand enough about those to know whether these are ethical violations or not. what we do know is so vast and troubling that i think it is really clear that we need a full accounting for what particularly somebody like justice thomas, who is so out of bounds ethically, but really more broadly with what the supreme court is doing. that could mean congress looking into this, we can have an expenditure general as we do in most parts of the government that can look into what is happening with the judiciary and investigative authority. >> noah bookbinder, gentlemen, thank you very much for your time. we much appreciated. ahead, why fox appears to be giving the cold shoulder to

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talented -- talent associated with them anymore. it is a massive about-face that seems to have happened overnight, as recently as last year, stars like laura ingraham and jesse waters, all regularly attending turning point events. what is changed? my next guest might have the answer. kyle spencer has written extensively about the young maga movement, and turning point in her book, raising them right. the untold story of america's ultraconservative youth movement, and his plot for power. this is a fascinating little twist. what do you make of fox appearing to push back, giving them the heisman, the whole cold shoulder. how did they go from having several of the prime time hosts attend these events, and skipping it altogether? >> first of all, nice to see you, michael. love to talk politics with you. yes. the origin story, the turning point usa, charlie kirk origin

story really starts with fox. charlie kirk tells this story about starting his first pre-turning point group, which was a very moderate republican group. a very moderate republican ideas. he started by getting on to fox news show, and by getting driven by the chicago studio, and getting on air. his relationship on fox has been very tight. fox has helped him a tremendous amount. i think that what you see is that as charlie kirk's views have turned from moderate republican issues around budget deficits, low taxation, and issues that republicans and conservatives have always held to be true, and they're sort of okay with a lot of moderates in general, they have turned very radical. i think that fox news was okay with that radicalness

until what we saw was that associations with very radical groups meant association with groups telling lies, associations with groups that were telling a lot of lies. this recent dominion lawsuit has told fox news that it will cost them a lot of money. >> yes. and you went right where i wanted to go, because my suspicion was that this is foxs way of trying to protect themselves, maybe further legal trouble by having these associations with election deniers like kirk. >> yes. he's never doing anything because they decide we like him, we don't like him, these are all monetary calculations. fox's relationship with charlie kirk, eight turning point usa, a lot of those turning point usa orbit stars like candace owens. those relationships worked well for both of them. when charlie kirk started to align himself more and more closely with trump, and when that alliance with trump just would not end, then that became an increasing problem for fox news when fox news realized that it was going

to potentially get them in trouble. what we saw at this turning point event in the last couple of days is trump gives a very loud, very popular speech. charlie kirk speaks, tucker carlson, who is now persona non grata at fox news. he gets a big stage. if you paid any attention to the speeches, there were lies filtered throughout all of these speeches. fox is now saying that we don't want anything to do with those lies. those can cost us money. >> yes. they had 787 million reasons not to go. kyle spencer, thank you so much for joining us tonight. we really appreciate you taking the moment with us. now up next, donald trump's words can still have dangerous consequences. shingles. some describe it as pulsing electric shocks or sharp, stabbing pains. ♪♪ this painful, blistering rash can disrupt your life for weeks.

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the insurrection. he was arrested on june 29th at the prosecutor say he made several concerning statements using homes in the d. c. area and his desire to, quote, commit acts of violence against a federal facility, including on the day of his arrest, when he re-shared a social media post from donald trump that allegedly showed obama's home address. in a subsequent post that day, he said, quote, we've got these losers surrounded. see you in hell, obama. federal prosecutors said in court that he had driven across the country from washington state, carrying two firearms and hundreds of rounds of ammunition, fortunately, a federal magistrate judge this week ordered the taylor taranto be detained until trial, because he possesses a threat to the public. let us remember, both the actions, storming the capitol, stalking the obamas,

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