now. senator tuberville, to say he is not jeopardizing national security when he injects politics into the defense process, and, frankly, this is not the time to do it, not when there is a war going on in europe, not when american leadership is vital to the international global order. for him to really jeopardize our national security by injecting politics and preventing our military leaders from being able to take their positions and do their jobs is really, you know, beyond distressing. it is just that, it is jeopardizing our national security. >> that is senator ducworth of illinois, criticizing tuberville's blockage of promotions. duckworth lost both her legs when serving in iraq when a helicopter she was in hit a grenade. on capitol hill, a defense

bill was approved loaded with far-right social issues that has almost no chance of passing the senate. we'll take a look at the looming showdown over funding the military. also ahead, we'll dig into brand-new reporting that special counsel jack smith is now putting pressure on a worker inside the trump organization who is connected to the classified documents investigation. meanwhile, trump's top republican challenger in the 2024 race is almost shaking up his presidential campaign staff. a prove which governor ron desantis' team says is not related to his lagging poll numbers. plus, a perception versus reality problem for president joe biden when it comes to the economy. we'll break down the polling that's not lining up with the latest economic data. good morning and welcome to "morning joe." it is monday, july 17th. i'm jonathan lemire back from europe. i'm in for joe, mika and willie. we have a great group assembled

on this monday. the president of the national action network and host of msnbc's "politics nation," the reverend al sharpton is here. washington bureau chief for "usa today" susan page. president emeritus of the council on foreign relations, richard haass is with us. nbc new vitali, who hosted "way too early," is here. and an nbc political analyst, brandon buck is here. richard, we're going to start with the front page of the "wall street journal," right here. this was one of the great matches i've ever seen. carlos alalcaraz, 20-year-old fm spain, at wimbledon, defeating novak djokovic, who many consider the best in the world. djokovic was going for a calendar year grand slam. this was spectacular stuff, including a game in the third set that lasted 26 minutes.

>> what was interesting about it, the first set, djokovic won, blew him out of the court. that lasted 34 minutes. you had one game in the third set that was almost as long as the entire first set. it was as good as it gets. alcaraz has an arsenal that is really quite extraordinary. you expect the power. you expect the speed, jonathan. he's 16 years younger. he also does things with finesse, and i never have quite seen it. he'd almost pause in his forehand, wait to see which way djokovic committed, then he would hit the ball. it was quite a stunning display of artistry. >> i spent my day at a bowling alley for a kids' party, but all the television were on this. maybe this is a generation sign of change, djokovic passing the torch to alcaraz.

i don't think i'm casting djokovic out. >> djokovic was gracious and self-acknowledging a kind of passing of the torch or the beginning of a new generation taking over. i thought he deserved some credit for acknowledging the greatness of the tennis he was seeing on the other side of the net. >> i've always been team federer. djokovic likes to play the villain in these roles, but he was gracious yesterday. one wonders as he moves into the last stage of his career, if he'll finally get the fan love that has eluded him. so many tennis players prefer federer o rafa nadal. let's get to the headlines. republicans passed a bill that limited transgender care and diversity training. it was approved friday along party lines. this after the far-right freedom caucus pushed to include amendments on major social issues. democrats then accused

republicans of turning what is usually a bipartisan bill into a culture war. the legislation is now headed to the senate where it is certainly expected to fail. here is what house speaker kevin mccarthy had to say about that. >> just focus on the military. stop using taxpayer money to do their own wokism. a military cannot defend themselves if you train them in woke. we don't want disneyland to train our military. we want our men and women in the military to have every defense possible, and that's what the bill does. the money focuses directly on their quality of life and, more importantly, on the investment. >> now, republicans are specifically defending an amendment passed in the house's annual defense spending bill last week that blocks the pentagon from covering the expenses for women in the military who need to travel out of state to have an abortion procedure. here is what republican senator tom cotton of arkansas, as well as congressman michael mccall of

texas, had to say yesterday about that measure. >> shouldn't all troops, regardless of where they're stationed, get the same treatment? why penalize them for living in texas? >> they're free to travel to another state to have a -- >> they'd be penalized. they'd have to take time off. >> not taxpayer expense. >> it would impact their ability to do their jobs, arguably, right, if they have to go on the -- >> the military should not be paying for abortion tourism. >> what should women who are in uniform n a place where they cannot access abortion, because they are there on orders, what should they do? >> well, if they want to take that step, they have 30 days of annual leave. it shouldn't be taxpayer funds giving them three weeks of paid, uncharged leave. >> ali, let's talk about the mechanics of this passed last week, as noted, likely to go down in the senate. we heard kevin mccarthy talk about wokism.

where is this going, and what are the real world implications of suddenly this bill being in real jeopardy? >> look, this is typically something that is bipartisan in nature. you look at the way it came out of committee, like 58-1 or something very bipartisan like that. it's something that i asked the speaker on friday why he thought you watched this shift from going from something that was very bipartisan to basically passing along party lines. there were a few exceptions. some of them front liners in tough districts for re-election next year. look, i think it speaks to the current mindset of this house republican conference. we know because we watched this dance be done with the debt ceiling battle, that the first pass at this out of the republican conference is not the thank ultimately gets passed in the end, but there are a lot of changes that are going to be made here between this house version and what the senate is ultimately going to take up. i think what's going to be important here is some of the promises that mccarthy may have made to get members of his

conference on board here in the first place. the fact that, for example, he's now got marjorie taylor greene, who he promised a spot on the conference committee for this bill, she's going to be one of the folks who is in the room and actually helping to hammer out what this ultimately looks like. i think that's going to be really important. to her thing i'm looking for, too, is the way this abortion issue, which really did start with senator tuberville in the senate, him holding up those military promotions until the pentagon changes the policy we were just talking about. it seems like he is struggling for an off-ramp a little bit. when he was talking to one of our nbc colleagues last week, he seemed to say that he would back down on this maybe if there were a vote. he's changed sort of the way he's talked about this the last few weeks. it sort of looks like he is looking for some kind of an off-ramp. i wonder if it comes to fruition as they're conferencing out what the ndaa will look like. this is instructive of not just the battle we're looking at right now on the military and

how congress is going to tell the military they can use their funds, because that's what this is, but then the later funding bill itself on spending coming in the fall and whether or not we're going to go to a government shutdown. each of these battles, debt ceiling, now ndaa, all of that is instructive for what's ahead. >> rev, in the clips we just played, it's impossible not to be struck by the callousness of the two republican lawmakers while talking about this. senator cotton used the phrase, abortion tourism. give us your sense of, like, how he is portraying an issue that is so difficult and so central to so many women put in this situation, where now, i mean, they're being political pawns. >> to really minimize the impact of a woman's decision to have or not have an abortion, to try to act like this is some excursion, like you're going on a vacation spot or something shows the

callousness -- you used the right word -- of the right wing in these particular arguments. this is not tourism. this is basic decisions that take a lot of real gut-wrenching decisions to make. and then to try and use the fact that this country needs to have its defense at all times on alert. i mean, we have battles going on all over the world. ukraine, et cetera. we're going to play these culture wars in the middle of a time that recruitment is down? it shows you that they have no boundaries to try and unmoralize them. susan, from your perch watching all of this, i mean, there's really no place i can remember in recent history where we've seen this kind of moral majority from the older days, even try to interfere with military strength

and military recruitment, to try to make an argument that ought to be made in the public square or in churches. >> yeah. let's think about what the political consequences will be for some of these republican members in districts that are either swing districts or districts that joe biden won, who have cast out votes in favor of this hard line position on abortion for women in the military. and i wonder, richard haass, you know, we talk about the political consequences, which are considerable, we know. what are the actual national -- are there national security repercussions if there is a failure to pass this defense authorization bill, which i think is possible when we look at the showdown coming up? >> i think the national security consequences, whatever happens, one, which the rev was getting at a little bit, one of the biggest problems facing the military right now is retention and recruitment. women play now an increasingly

central role in the american military. things have really, really changed. i'm not sure these lawmakers may understand that. so to weigh in on these issues in the way they're doing really undermines readiness. that's point one. if this bill weren't to be passed because of this, yes, i mean, it would -- we've already got a time now where the u.s. military can't do the procurement it needs to, again is having personnel issues. if funds aren't available at this moment, and the united states, though we're not a direct participant in ukraine or, shall we say, a major indirect participant there, plus we have operations in every other theater of the world, it would be a major probable. problem. it makes it difficult. i'll make a political statement. everyone around this table has been doing this a long time. the idea this becomes another football for american politics, i think, is a sign of how much things have deteriorated. >> richard, to that point, i mean, it was a major topic of

conversation last week while overseas covering the president. the defense secretary was talking about senator tuberville's blockade. key jobs in the military are left vacant right now. president biden himself in his news conference in helsinki singled out the senator for what he is doing. brendon buck, you've worked with a couple republican speakers. you're well aware of the machinations and the strategy of the gop leadership in the house, and, of course, weigh in on the senate, too. what are they doing here? what is the thought process behind the republican party that is not just blocking leadership positions but also doing a thing that, to richard's point, is potentially challenging american readiness? >> it'd be a mistake to say this is a part of any plan. kevin mccarthy held that press conference on friday after the bill passed, a bit of a pep rally for the bill, which is fully because this was something that he was trying to avoid all week long. going back to last week, they

were held up in rules committee for a very long time, trying to sort out how to handle this. as ali pointed out, this was a bipartisan bill a few weeks ago. he didn't want to put his members in this position. he knows looking down the road, this is going to come back to the house without a lot of these provisions. once again, he's going to have to sell this to his members as a walk back. i'm a little conspiratorial, i guess, when it comes to the freedom caucus and what their motivations are. i think they like that they don'tprovisions, then they put it at mccarthy's feet. we haven't failed to pass one of these authorization bills in 60 years. we don't know exactly what would happen if we don't get one done. we sure know if we can't fund the military when we get to the appropriations next, that's a

huge, huge problem for not just us but lots of places around the world. >> one of the places, of course, being ukraine and the u.s. assistance there. there is developing news out of the war-torn nation this morning. an explosion on the bridge which connects crimea to mainland russia has killed two people and injured another. russia has blamed ukraine for the explosion which has now shut down traffic on the bridge. ukraine has not yet claimed responsibility for the attack. the bridge, of course, is the same one struck october of last year which rendered the bridge useless. it underwent repairs and reopened in may. it is a point of pride for vladimir putin, the construction of this bridge after russia annexed crimea, illegally annexed crimea some years ago. we also have breaking news about how russia might be pulling out of a grain deal that allowed grain to come out of ukraine to help feed part of the world, particularly africa.

there is real fear of famine if this can't be restored quickly. give us your sense on that. also, this explosion, which, you know, let's say ukraine was responsible, you know, shows another moment when they're not unafraid to strike within russia's borders. >> it is not the first time ukraine has done this. the three stories, if you will, today, one is the bridge, this will complicate russian resupply of their troops in crimea. ben, as you say, jonathan, exactly, it's a strike against putin's prestige. when this was opened five or so years ago, if my date is right, tremendous fanfare. this shows, again, the russians don't have control. the breakdown of the grain agreement which will hurt a lot of the world. this is a real setback if this doesn't get put back on track. ukrainian grain, ukraine is traditionally one of the bread baskets of the world. there will be a lot of prices around the world that will spike. this will complicate the economic situation in a lot of the developing world, africa and

the middle east. there's that. we'll see whether this happens. thirdly, a big story over the weekend about mines and how the russians have heavily mined territory. it's hard to wage a counteroffensive against that mine. the ukraine side has churned out a lot of equipment, lost a lot of lives. the initial months or weeks of the counteroffensive have proven, shall we say, very costly. this gives a sense, this war is going on in many, many ways at once. russia is, if you will, fighting an offenoffensive, indirect str, but nothing yet is decided in any way. >> i asked president biden about ask state of the counteroffensive last week while we were in europe, and he acknowledged that president zelenskyy told him it had been a hard slog, slower than anticipated. on the subject of ukraine, fox news aired an hour-long, pretaped interview with donald trump, in which anchor maria

pressed the former president on saying he could end the war in one day. >> you said you could end the war in ukraine in 24 hours. >> yes. >> how would you do that? >> i know zelenskyy very well. i felt he was very honorable. when they asked him about the perfect phone call i made, he said it was indeed -- he said he didn't even know what they were talking about. he could have grandstanded. >> that is not enough for putin to stop bombing ukraine. >> i'm not saying that. i know zelenskyy very well and know putin very well, even better. i had a good relationship, very good with both of them. i would tell zelenskyy, no more. you have to make a deal. i would tell putin, if you don't make a deal, we're going to give them a lot, more than they ever got if we have to. i would have the deal done in one day, one day. >> hang on. i mean, first of all, again, ending this in one day, susan page, suggests they're planning

on giving russia plenty. if they tell zelenskyy, hey, that's enough, we can read between the lines. he is characterizing his relationship with zelenskyy, yeah, i knew him very well. yeah, it was his conversation with zelenskyy that got him impeached the first time, trying to withhold military aid to ukraine, wanting ukraine to dig up dirt on biden. give us your sense of what we are hearing from trump. one of the persistent story lines at the nato summit in vilnius last week is this fear if putin is hang on and he is awarded with trump in the white house, he has a shot of winning this after all. >> this was a concern we heard quietly from nato leaders, about what would happen if donald trump wins the next election, which is not an impossibility. we heard it from a finnish

reporter, can we count on the united states to stick around? the u.s. position would be quite different toward the war in ukraine and toward vladimir putin if donald trump moved back into the white house. of course, the idea that the american president, whoever he or she is, could tell zelenskyy to make a teal and that he would do so is pretty laughable, given that zelenskyy has shown himself to be a pretty valiant leader of ukraine and someone who is willing to stand up to the united states when he thinks it is in his interest. the question of when ukraine will be interested and willing to sit down for a serious diplomatic solution, i don't think we're really there yet. >> brendan, there are some in republican leadership, mcconnell among them, saying, look, we're supporting ukraine. this is our job as americans, to bolster kyiv against what russia is doing. but there is definitely a strain of isolationism, a strain of republicans who are questioning whether or not this is the right idea. we know there are some in the

republican house, and those voices have grown louder, about the idea of the funding to ukraine. we also heard from tucker carlson at an event he held in iowa in recent days, really pressing some of the gop candidates about whether or not this is a good idea. how prevalent or how much of a factor is this going to be for republican voters as they look at these candidates today, including, most of all, donald trump, you know, that this could be -- we want to not support ukraine, we want to do something different than this current white house going forward? >> oh, it is very real. the party is limited or cut off support for ukraine. they failed overwhelmingly. 70 something republicans voted for that. easy to say, well, those didn't pass close, but i thought, wow, that's a lot of republicans saying they're willing to cut aid to ukraine right at this moment. i was bracing in the trump interview for him to say, you know, that's his position, that he is going to cut off and that's how he'll end the war. thankfully, he said, you know, he'd use strength to try to end it. it's real. it's pervasive.

there are popular figures out there who push this stuff all the time. there is an audience for it. trump has been one of the leaders of the isolationist movement, you have to say. you know, he's responding to something that he saw out there, but he also drives it a lot himself. >> all right. brendan buck, thank you very much. we're going to have more on that donald trump interview, richard, including his idea that the united states, if he were president again, may not defend taiwan against china because of semiconductor chips. we'll get into that. also, new developments in trump's legal trouble, including a key pretrial hearing in the classified documents case. what to expect in court tomorrow. and new reporting that the special counsel is now weighing charges against a trump organization employee. we'll explain why. plus, new efforts by the former president to shut down the grand jury in georgia, where the district attorney appears poised to announce criminal charges. also, hollywood actors are set to join writers on the picket line today.

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settled soon. the problem with settlement in this case is there is no trust between the parties. these conditions will potentially produce an absolute collapse of an entire industry. >> on friday, actors represented by the sag-aftra union joined the writers guild of america on the picket line. the writers have been on strike since may. there have been little to no negotiations. there's a sense that both of these strikes could last a very long time. writers, of course, suggest the industry needs to change going forward, particularly in how a.i. may impact the business. we'll have more on that in the mornings ahead. the white house, meanwhile, continues to tout bidenomics in an effort to convince voters that the improvement in the job market and inflation are all thanks to the occupant of the oval office. white house counsel of the economic advisers chair, jared bernstein, suggested to msnbc's jonathan capehart yesterday that he is confident the united

states will likely avoid a recession. but convincing the public is an all together separate issue. a recent "associated press" poll found that just 30% of adults think the economy is, quote, good. meanwhile, while speaking at the conservative turning point action conference yesterday, marjorie taylor greene of georgia warned that president biden wants to address issues like education, medical care and rural poverty. take a look. >> lyndon b. johnson is very similar to joe biden. how are they the same? they're both democrat socialist. lyndon b. johnson was the majority leader in the senate. does that sound familiar? he was vice president to kennedy. joe was vice president to obama. he was appointed as the president after jfk was assassinated, then he was elected. his big socialist programs were

the great society, the great society where big government programs addressed education, medical care, urban problems, rural poverty, transportation, medicare, medicaid, food stamps, and welfare. the office of economic opportunity and big labor and labor unions. now, lbj had the great society, but joe biden had build back better. he still is working on it. the largest public investment in social infrastructure and environmental programs that is actually finishing what fdr started, that lbj expanded on, and joe biden is attempting to complete. >> so, reverend al sharpton, that sound you're hearing is the white house thanking marjorie taylor greene for the campaign commercial. let's remember, of course, that in the first months in office, they eagerly embraced the lyndon johnson comparison. the great society is what they were shooting for.

the most legislative presidency since then, the first two years when they had democrats in control of the house and senate. for most democrats, that's music to their ears. >> i was waiting for the attack. i mean, she said all of that, and i was waiting for, and what do you object to? she left out the votes righting act and the civil rights act. she forgot to say that lyndon johnson defeated barry goldwatd goldwater in one of the biggest landslide presidential elections in our history. biden defeated donald trump. he didn't inherit this from the assassination of his predecessor, but we won't let facts get in the way. >> never has before. >> if i were the democratic leadership or the biden team, i would take that clip and run it all over the country. the things that biden stands for, and lbj and fdr stood for, are the things that most americans want, and many are living on it right now. you're going to attack medicare?

i mean, i see now why they put her out of the freedom caucus. now, she's in a caucus of her own, and it's not a very wise caucus. >> maybe a double agent, rev. alivitali, certainly, the white house is leaning into the idea of the economy. >> yeah. >> the things marjorie taylor greene just mentioned all poll well among voters writ large. we just noted that americans don't feel that great about the economy. that's the risk here, right? the president and, therefore, democrats falling in line behind him really saying, hey, bidenomics, we're full on embracing and trying to take credit for this economy. he is giving another major speech on the issue later this week in philadelphia. there are risks here, too. >> yeah, of course there are. we were talking about this on "way too early" this morning, as well. the idea there is this disconnect between what the numbers say about how the economy is doing and what voters are telling me and you and all of us when we go out on the campaign trail that they were feeling. it comes at a time when trump

has been able to successfully show americans, or at least convince them, that he is good on the economy, despite the fact that his businesses have not always been on the up and up, despite the fact they haven't always made the money he says they make. nevertheless, trump is still per perceived as strong on this, and republicans will try to leverage the issue. what i'm struck with when i hear from congresswoman marjorie taylor greene is saying, you're taking health care, rural poverty, yeah, things a lot of americans would like solutions to, but going forward, it's the ways the white house leaned in on issues like this in the past. when she mentions build back better, which eventually became the inflation reduction act, it lacked some of the key tenants that were initially proposed, but many of the things that were in build back better and then ultimately the ira were things that polled very well among republicans and democrats alike. that's something that the white house leaned on quite heavily. the idea, for example, of doing

infrastructure, which is generally popular in a bipartisan fashion. all of these things are things that the white house is going to point to to say, hey, not only are we getting results or did get results in the first two years of our administration, but we're getting results on things that people can actually see and feel a difference to. also, that they support in polling. >> you know, ali, it was interesting to me in the clip that we saw as marjorie taylor greene was going through this agenda that she apparently finds offensive, there wasn't much of a reaction we could hear from the conservative, young audience. i don't know if she got a better reaction later on than she did to the clip we saw. you know, here's the dilemma for the white house, though. they clearly need to do a better sales job, especially in talking about things like the strong job market, the fact that inflation eased. we had good inflation numbers the end of last week. but a sales job only goes so far when you're talking about the economy. because that's something americans live with every day of their lives in their own families. it's hard to convince people

things are going well if they're having trouble meeting their bills, if they're having trouble keeping their kids in college or paying the rent. richard haass, you've had experience at the white house. what can the white house do on an issue like this to change the public's perception about what is going on in their own lives? >> well, what the white house can do s one, hope things continue to get slightly better. there has been progress on the inflation front. we'll see what growth numbers are. it's not going to be that easy in certain ways. the numbers coming out of china in a funny sort of way will slow things down here. then you've got to basically explain, explain and explain. point to things that are getting better. you know, demonstrate, essentially educate. the oval office is, in some ways, one of the great classrooms of america. fdr on the fireside chats. it's not president biden's strength, necessarily, but

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alan trejo of the rockies lifts them to an 8-7 win, as they take two out of three from the yankees in the series. the yankees lost six of their last eight game, falling to 15-19, since reigning mvp aaron judge left their lineup with an injury june 3rd and doesn't seem close to returning. in chicago, look who is coming, the boston red sox beat the cubs in an 11-5 blowout, highlighted by yoshida's grand slam in the fifth inning. he's been terrific. they're tied for fourth place in the a.l. east, we'll say charitably. richard, we're not used to seeing the standings look like that. neither are particularly good. neither of these teams feel like they're real threats in the postseason. the red sox have baseball's best record since july 1st, so they're at least coming on. your yankees, what's the deal?

when is aaron judge coming back? is he? >> there's so many news stories we could talk about. >> no, we're spending time on this. >> the yankees pitching was disastrous. hitting wasn't as bad as it normally is. not clear what judge's timetable is. even with him, it's not clear to me the yankees have a winning formula this year. i think they're the big story, if i may change the subject slightly, go to the baltimore orioles. even you, jonathan, even joe wouldn't have predicted the orioles would be as good as they are right now. tampa bay rays, gravity asserted itself. but the orioles are playing stunningly well, far, far better than preseason predictions. but that said, yankees and the red sox are still not out of it in terms of the postseason. there's, you know -- we're only, what, 55% of the way through the season. there's sometime to continue to disappoint. >> yeah, this is actually, we should note, the first time ever that a division had every team win 50 games at this point in the season.

sox and yanks a game or two out of the wild card, and the orioles have the fewest losses in baseball. richard, it was my suggestion to spend another hour talking about the yankees, but i'm told we have to move on. we mentioned that hour-long pretaping on fox news yesterday that former president trump had. he weighed in on ukraine. well, he was also asked about taiwan. take a look. >> should the u.s. help defend taiwan if it means going to war with china. >> i don't want to say it because if i'm in the position of president, i don't want to say what i'm thinking. you know, i just -- if i answer that question, it'd put me in a very bad negotiating position. with that being said, taiwan did take all of our chip business. you know, we used to make our own chips. now, they're made in taiwan, 90%. >> advanced semiconductor chips, 90%. >> if they -- >> china goes in there, they'll turn the world on and off, isn't that right? >> if china takes taiwan, they'll turn the world off

potentially, i mean, potentially. but remember this, taiwan took smart, brilliant -- they took our business away. we should have stopped them. we should have taxed them. we should have tariffed them. >> richard, what do you think? i mean, thisthis is the preside talking a dangerous game here with taiwan, and akin to how, we mentioned a little earlier, how vladimir putin might be watching the 2024 election to take his cues on what to do next. maybe xi jinping will, as well. >> both presidents, putin and xi, will wait to see what things look like come january 2025. the first half of what the former president said was actually consistent with u.s. policy. he wouldn't say one way or the other. it's called strategic ambiguity, whether the united states would come to taiwan's defense. that is consistent with american foreign policy. the second half, shall we say, is wildly inconsistent. this idea of portraying taiwan as an economic adversary, the

way he did it is, one, wrong, and, two, casts real doubt about our willingness to come to taiwan's defense. if we were not to, we shouldn't underestimate the consequence, not just economically but strategically. the japanese, south koreans and others, the entire american alliance system in asia, i think, now hinges on what the united states is prepared to do for taiwan. if you don't want china to be in a position where, to use the president's expression, it can turn off the world's economy, let's deter china. let's persuade xi jinping, whatever his aspirations for taiwan cannot come to fruition. we ought to be building up the capacity to help taiwan. this, unfortunately, goes in the opposite direction. >> rev, we mentioned how president putin and president xi are watching this, but our allies are also getting messages here. they know that donald trump has

a at least reasonable chance of being president again. it seems like every time he opens his mouth on issues of foreign policy, some of our staunchest allies have to wonder if america will be there for them again were trump to return to office. >> which is the kind of trepidation a lot of have have said. we don't want to go all in until we see where future is. you have to remember, for this wanna be president again, to give the signal that the united states would never be committed to taiwan, one, he's saying something that is -- could be devastating in terms of relationships. at the same time, is he playing politics to xi like he plays politics to putin? i mean, he plays all these dictators. let's not forget, when we saw the attempted mutiny with putin just three weeks ago, it was also uncovered that this group led by his former chef tried to,

in many ways, influence the election and support trump in the first place. >> yup. >> we're looking at the front page of today's "new york times" talking about if trump gets back in, he wants these vast powers. vast powers if he gets back in play to xi, play to putin. i mean, this is very threatening not only to our allies but to our citizens. >> you know, president biden has had some struggles sticking to the official policy of ambiguity on taiwan. but, ali, i wonder what you're hearing on capitol hill. we talked earlier in this hour about the divisions among republicans on aid to ukraine. where does the hill stand on this debate over what the u.s. would do if china moved against taiwan? >> yeah, i think this is one of those conversations that we're

rightly having an inextricable y linked, both in how they're observing the situation and potentially engaing with it. this was a key issue on combating chinese aggression. we saw the hill at the beginning of the state of divided congress actually likely to act in bipartisan fashion on. we've seen, for example, the select committee on china issues work in bipartisan fashion. it is one of the places where we do watch republican senators and lawmakers broadly criticize the former president for the ways in which he speaks graciously about people like xi, similarly to the way he speaks about putin and kim jong-un. i do think i was struck there, too, by the way that, you know, folks in the congress department probably had their ears perk up as trump is talking positively about the need to recalibrate the way that chips are made. certainly, that's something congress acted on in the early phases of the biden administration in the first

year. that was a big win for them. certainly, that's one of the things they're trying to tout here, even on the world stage. i know that people don't exactly connect hard politics with chip politics, but that's something the white house and the commerce department are trying to show as they, again, tout bidenomics and take that show on the road, trying to factor it into the geopolitical landscape, too, will be an interesting thing on if they can do it. >> ali vitali, thank you very much. richard? >> on the economic side, i am struck by the continuity of the trump administration and the biden administration, a larger government role when it comes to things like chips. on the foreign policy side, couldn't be more different. you were in europe, jonathan. when foreigners watch us, it is, what is the exception? what is the norm? biden and trump, they wonder whether biden represents a return to traditionalism and trump was the opposite, or is biden the exception and the new normal for american foreign

policy is donald trump and the republicans in the house? that is what makes them uneasy. they no longer have the ability to count on us with confidence, what we are going to be doing in a couple years. that's a major, major change. we've become unpredictable. from their point of view, somewhat unreliable. >> to that point, president biden was overseas padding the expansion of nato. nato members wonder when donald trump comes back to office, will the united states pull out of the alliance? >> richard haass, thank you for your analysis and your tennis insight. well done today, sir. still ahead on "morning joe," we could be days away from another indictment for trump. that's according to his own defense team who is trying to squash the case from fulton county district attorney fani willis. one of our next guests just sat down with the prosecutor on a collision course with the former president. that's straight ahead on "morning joe." new dove men bodywash gives you

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ones. i think -- >> you didn't drain the swamp like you said you would. >> i fired comey, a lot of people. lot of the people i fired. i fired comey very early. you know, there was a question as to whether or not you could, but i fired comey. if i didn't fire comey, i don't think i would have been able to serve out my term because that was a plot. >> that's donald trump defending his shaky hiring record during his presidency, as well as his 2016 campaign promise to drain the swamp. it comes as the former president is once again making false claims about the presidential records act. we'll get expert legal analysis on what the law says. reverend sharpton, let's not let that go without commenting. you know, this is a president who we played on this show many times. the words of praise he gave to every staff hire while he was in the office, and now he bashes them one after another after

another. claims he'll be better the next time. a guy that ran as trying to be america's ceo, he's not so good at this whole hiing thing. >> when you know him as those of us in new york knew him, he's never been a ceo. he was always a one-man company. he hired people based on their relationship with him, their praise of him, bowing to him, their taking orders. when he did not feel they were loyal, he would fire them. that's how he tried to run government. when you hear what he just ran down the list, most of it, i liked this guy, didn't like that guy, nothing to do with like. what about serving the country? what about living up to the job? what about them running their departments? it was all personal with him. as far as draining the swamp, well, let's just do to the end of the presidency, into his former president status. he is the only president in american history that has so far been indicted twice.

not just impeached twice. he was impeached twice. he is now under indictment by the federal government and by the state of new york or the county of manhattan. and we're waiting on other indictments to come. so swamp and donald trump ought not to be put in any sentence unless you put trump's name first. he has defined new levels of being in the swamp. >> on that fact check, he says that firing james comey saved his presidency. actually, it was firing james comey that led to the appointment of robert mueller, so that shows you the assessment of his own record. susan page, we should note, the idea of trump and staffing, one of the great fears that many in washington and beyond have, that if trump were to win again, who he would surround himself with. there would be no adults in the room. no secretary mattis or h.r. mcmaster, john kelly.

it'd be the people he surrounded himself in the final days of his presidency, those he is making part of his campaign now. no guardrails and, also, a donald trump unchecked, unfettered who doesn't have to face voters again. >> absolutely. one other thing, you know, donald trump was president for four years. he learned a lot in four years about how the federal government works, how the levers of government works, and so he would come into office again if he got elected for another term next year knowing a lot more about how to implement some of the more extreme poliies that he puts forth. "the new york times" has a front page story about that this morning, about this is an argument that trump and his allies are making on his behalf. it's one of the things that alarms democrats the most, the idea that he would come in, for instance, and do more to fire career civil service employees, to take control of agencies that

we have traditionally thought of as being independent, starting with, number one, the department of justice, jonathan. >> potentially weaponizing the department of justice against his political opponents. stripping down the bureaucracy and putting more power in the oval office. worrisome indeed. the rev mentioned the ongoing legal peril donald trump faces. there is a key pretrial hearing in the special counsel's classified documents case against trump, it is set to take place tomorrow. the hearing was originally scheduled for last friday and will focus on the classified information procedures act. the aim here is to lay out procedures for how to handle classified evidence. at the same time, abc news reports that special counsel jack smith has taken new steps to examine possible efforts to obstruct that probe. sources familiar with the matter say smith is threatening potential charges against a trump organization employee who

is suspected of lying to investigators. those sources say smith has sent a target letter to the staffer in recent weeks indicating that the staffer might have purgered himself back in may when he appeared before the federal grand jury in an evidence hearing in that case. a target letter puts a subject of an investigation on notice that they are facing the prospect of an indictment. trump was also put on notice before the grand jury in florida returned against him. the letter signals smith's growing interest in the trump organization's handling of the surveillance footage and potential efforts to avoid sharing it with investigators. those cameras up at mar-a-lago. trump, of course, has pleaded not guilty to all 37 criminal counts related to his handling

of classified materials. joining us now, criminal defense attorney and former watergate prosecutor. john, thanks for being with us this morning. let's get your sense as to what we should expect at this hearing tomorrow. certainly, we recognize that any trial involving classified documents is inherently complicated and they have to sort out a road map on how to do it. >> jonathan, good morning. in my view, this trial is not particularly complicated. in fact, it's a pretty straightforward case for the government to prove. the little town is going to be deluged with media like it's never seen before. the whole world is watching. watching the proceeding, watching our criminal justice system, and i think judge cannon understands that. first of all, the statute you referred to, that's the purpose of this hearing. this hearing has been -- is required by statute. the media might be disappointed because if they go into

specifics of classified documents, portions of that hearing may be closed. but the court will appoint a court security officer who becomes an officer of the court, who will sort out the classified documents, where they'll be stored, expedite the clearances, and set procedures and schedules to review those classified documents. putting classified documents aside, the case is really pretty straightforward. a number of the claims that have been made publicly now can be dealt with by the judge. so the motion that's been made by the trump team, half of it is a political motion, which in my view, doesn't belong before a court. former president trump is running for president. he can say virtually anything he wants in his campaign, but you can't set a trial date according to the first debate, according

to the iowa caucus, according to the first primary. you have to put all that aside and look at the facts and the law. so first of all, the relief they're asking for, put the trial off indefinitely, that's unlawful. the speedy trial act, the statute that governs says after the court hears from the parties, it'll set a date certain. all period of time between the time the court hears it and when the trial date is actually set is called excluexcludable, whic means the speedy trial clock stops. so the other thing i want to point out is that a lot of the claims that are being made in the trump motion to put the case off are legal matters which do not require an inordinate amount of time. some of them might be legitimate, but there are motions that will be filed, and the other side will respond. it's decided by the court. so with the exception of classified documents, the case is relatively straightforward and does not require to be put off forever. the only thing that the court, i

think, has to be mindful of is not politics, but that the new york county case is set for march. i think that is a legitimate thing that the judge should and will decide, how it factors? >> it'd be unlawful to delay too much. trump is, again, defending his handling of classified documents. he is invoking the presidential records act yet again. take a look at the remarks he made over the weekend. >> now, this is a law passed in 1977. presidential records act. neither the archivist or the others can veto. only the president, up to me. the presidential records act does not confer any mandatory or even discretionary authority on the archivist, nara, to classify

these records. under the statute, this responsibility is left solely to the president of the united states. your favorite president, me. they indicted me. think of it. you don't have to be a lawyer to understand those words. that is as simple as it gets. they indicted me. in other words, whatever documents a president decides to take with him, he has the absolute and unquestioned right to do so. this is a law that was passed and signed, and that's the law and that's the way it is. it couldn't be more clear. >> actually, i'll be clear, just about every word of that was not true. jon sale, we don't have to spend any time on trump's misreading of the presidential records act. i'm curious to get your take on the other piece of news that emerged over the weekend, that a target letter was sent to a member of the trump

organization. what does this tell you? it certainly suggests that special counsel jack smith, despite already bringing a whole bunch of charges against the former president, his investigation is ongoing and expanding. >> once again, jonathan, it's not extraordinary. you cannot use the federal grand jury once an indictment is filed to prepare for trial, but you can use it to investigate other people or other crimes. if the special counsel believes somebody committed perjury before the grand jury, they have every right and responsibility to prosecute that individual. it will not cause any delay. it would not be part of the trump nara case, and it is a separate case. if the evidence is there that someone committed perjury, i don't want to say it happens every day, but that's something that is not that rare. >> all right. criminal defense attorney jon sale, we really appreciate your legal insight this morning. certainly will speak to you again soon. meanwhile, republican

presidential candidate chris christie, well, he didn't hold back on his own assessment of the case against trump. >> he's a liar and a coward. he's not getting indicted for anyone other than because of his own conduct. there's no other of the 200 million americans he spoke about who illegally retained classified, national secrets after being asked politely, quietly and professionally for 18 months to voluntarily turn them back over after he left the white house. there's no other of the millions of americans who lied to their own lawyers about where those documents were. there's none of the other 200 million americans who died to the prosecutors about it and flashed around documents regarding an iranian war plan to people who didn't have the clearance to see them. look, he's indicted because of his ooutrageous conduct. he has the opportunity to go to

court and make the government prove that case beyond a reasonable doubt. now, he says he doesn't have a trial until after the election in 2024. i don't think he is doing that for us either. he should resolve this thing before people vote so that we know exactly who we are voting for, to put behind the desk in the oval office. when he says he is doing it for us, that's a lie. when he was doing all the things that he was doing with those documents, it shows exactly what a coward he is. >> susan page, chris christie is basically running his campaign out of table tv studios. he's a pretty lonely voice on this. we see polling that suggests that donald trump had only become more popular among republicans as the legal peril increases. to be sure, the general election next year may be a very different story. are you seeing anything here as republicans look around and realize we're under a month until their first debate? do any of them see this as an

attack to the front runner? >> chris christie has made the debate stage. you can understand why donald trump might not want to be on a debate stage with chris christie. he's quite ccombative. the former prosecutor is effective at doing that. in new hampshire, he's challenging desantis in one poll for a distant second place. but, no, there are no signs that donald trump has been significantly dented. even by being indicted in both new york and in federal court. it has, in fact, solidified his fundraising and his position among many republican voters, which i've got to say, is not something you might have predicted in the days when no former president had ever been indicted before, jonathan. >> susan, you mentioned he's already been indicted federaly in new york. could georgia be next? the fulton county office seems poised to announce charges against trump or his associates for interference in the 2020

election. lawyers for the former president are now asking to shut down the case entirely. trump's attorneys filed petitions in two georgia courts on friday calling to disqualify fulton county d.a. fani willis from the probe and shut down a report created by the special grand jury she used during the investigation. trump's team is also asking the court to block willis from introducing evidence obtained by that special grand jury. the filings are pushing for a quick ruling, arguing willis could be just days away from securing an indictment. the filings argue that willis, a democrat, has a conflict of interest in the case and that allowing it to proceed would violate trump's constitutional rights. the d.a.'s office declined to comment on the filing. trump lawyers had no immediate comment about what they're up to. joining us now is "wall street journal" reporter who profiled

the d.a. in his piece, "fani willis, the no nonsense georgia prosecutor on a collision course with donald trump." in the profile, cameron, you write this. willis declined to talk about specifics of the case, but she was confident that what she brings to a grand jury will stick. she defends her office as fair. our office had few cases that are no billed, meaning a grand jury declined to indict. she added later, i refuse to fail. cameron, thanks for being with us this morning. tell us more about your interview with the d.a. seems like, there, she's trying to pre the accusation she has any bias here. what you read on her and what is ahead? >> well, my read is that his attorneys better buckle the seat belts because something is coming and it's going to be -- she's very, very prepared for

whatever is coming. i think indictments are on their way. so mr. trump and his attorneys certainly have gathered, and attorneys related to the case are prepared to fight whatever comes. but she has a team that has been working on this for two years, and they are very ready. she is very confident. she is coming on strong. in my piece, i looked at her past, and she's dealt with some very, very complicated cases. her modus operandi is to move slowly, gather information, spend time doing that, being prepared, so when she gets into the courtroom, she's ready to fight. we've seen it over and over again. i don't think this is going to be any exception. this is going to be, obviously, a much bigger situation than

she's maybe handled before, but she's handled big cases and won big cases. >> cameron, reverend al sharpton. i have an office of the national action network in atlanta, and you're right, she's thorough from what i've observed and the reports i get from leadership. she also has a lot of courage, a lot of gut. she's taking positions that wasn't even popular in what would be considered a political base. talk about how people should deal with that she's not that easily intimidated. she's as thorough as she is courageous. if you get in a fight with her, you better really, really deal with the fact that she's not going to be one to be easily punched out. >> reverend sharpton, you're 100% correct. i believe you're referring to the atlanta schools case in which she was a lead prosecutor

on the case, which was a very complex state case. that was involving a lot of african-american teachers and administrators in a predominantly african-american city, and she got a lot of heat for that, for going after those people who were charged for cheating and for setting up cheating to inflate grades, test scores for the school, for the school system. man, she got a lot of heat. she and others, people who worked closely with her on that case, talked to me about going to the grocery store, people yelling at them. it was very uncomfortable, but she didn't waver. i think that was her first real test of what it means to be a prosecutor on a giant case. i think as one friend of hers

and former colleague described to me, that was the championship game, and now she's heading to the super bowl. >> we should note, in terms of potential timeline of charges brought against donald trump a few months ago, the d.a. said that her staff would do remote work, and the down town atlanta courthouse shouldn't schedule trials for the first three weeks of august, potentially tipping her hand to when this could come. august is two weeks ago. trump's attorneys seem something is imminent. cameron mcwhirter, thank you for the reporting. we appreciate it. still ahead on "morning joe," house republicans have scored a win when it comes to the annual defense spending bill. what happens next when it heads to the senate? we'll have the latest on that fight. plus, democratic presidential candidate robert f. kennedy jr. is facing new accusations of making anti-semitic claims about the covid-19 vaccine and pandemic. we'll go over that new

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"the post" published a video that reportedly shows kennedy saying this. there is an argument that it is ethnically targeted, covid-19 attacks certain races disproportionately. covid was targeted to attack caucasians and black people, the people who are most immune are ashkenazi jews and chinese. nbc news hasn't authenticated the video. kennedy tweeted this in response. "the new york post" story is mistaken. i have never, ever suggested the covid-19 virus was targeted to spare jews. i do not believe and never implied that the ethnic effect was deliberately engineered. kennedy also cited a scientific study that he says supports his comments. however, his conclusions were dismissed by the scientific community. kennedy has been accused of

being anti-semitic in past comments. he spoke at an anti-vaccine rally last year in which he implied anne frank had more freedom than people during covid-19. we don't have to speak on anne frank's short and sad life. let's start there, curt, with these loathsome remarks from rfk jr., and also get you to weigh in on what role exactly is he playing in this campaign? >> yeah, jonathan, i mean, again, there should be no space in either side of the political spectrum here for comments like that to be made. the fact that someone who is masquerading as a democrat running for president who, by the way, is funded by ron desantis donors and other republicans, you know, this is the most anti-democratic thing

you can say when it comes to the values of the democratic party. it is dangerous and disconcerting, that this week on thursday right now, jim jordan and his so-called weaponization subcommittee at the judiciary committee is planning rfk to be the star witness, to give him another platform to elevate his cuckoo for cocoa puffs nonsense. jim jordan, kevin mccarthy, the leadership of the republican party should be held accountable for giving these anti-semitic and racist views this platform. this is their idea, jonathan, of a so-called credible witness. we already saw just the other week that one of james comer's witnesses was a spy. now, they want to say rfk is a witness to promote their nonsense propaganda. >> some of what really drives a lot of people who used to work on environmental issues and all

with robert jr. to really scratch their heads. this is not one off color comment or so. they dug in on this anti-vax situation and a lot of rhetoric. i've had contra voveries in my career, where i had to make clear what i said and what i didn't say. there's been pickets in front of black churches for doing vaxes. he has dug in on this theory and is accepting money from people that are very much pro republican, very much pro trump. talk about how this is not some debate over a video tape. this is a long period of engagement now that is going on. >> you're absolutely right, rev. this is a pattern of behavior, not an isolated incident, not

things taken out of ton text. it was not words not used artfully. this is someone that, time and again, made these incendiary comments. i'm sorry, but when it comes to things like the jewish people and the holocaust, how hard is it to get that stuff right? it really shouldn't be something we have to walk back every time you bring up the topic. these are things he is voluntarily saying. he is not doing a debate, not being pressed, not got you interviews. these are comments he makes voluntarily for no reason, other than to create conspiracy. when you do this enough times, underlying all of that is what you really believe. you know, again, i just think that we're at a point now where we have seen, it's more than just words. after january 6th, what public figures say, what political figures say, especially on the presidential stage, have consequences. people treat those words as gospel. they treat them as marching orders. when you see someone like rfk out there saying these danger

dangerous things, there are going to be real-world consequences. people are going to be hurt. they're going to listen to this guy for health advice and will end up dying. this is why we have to take this seriously and not brush it off, "oh, this is some crazy guy getting attention." no, words matter, and they have to be treated with severe consequences. >> kurt, words matter and, as you said, this isn't something in isolation from robert f. kennedy jr. yet, he gets about 15% or so of the votes of democrats looking at the primaries next year. of course, he has a famous last name. but his views have been widely reported. what is the nature? what should we make of the appeal that he has among a significant fraction of democratic primary voters? >> yeah, listen, i think there's a lot to be said for having perhaps the most famous last name in democratic politics, at least in modern times. there's going to always be the

people when they answer the phone from a pollster and go, who do you like? oh, kennedy. i could get behind a kennedy. the more and more people tune in, viewing him as a presidential candidate, seeing these comments, i'd like to see the overlay of the democratic voters, democratic primary voters who agree with him about what he just said about jewish people and asian people as it relates to covid-19. i'd love for democratic primary voters to be asked, do you agree with the statement he made about anne frank? once they see what these things are, who he really is, once they find out he is funded by republicans and ron desantis voters, i think those numbers just crater through the roof. >> certainly, president biden's re-election campaign to this point irritated by kennedy jr.'s presence, but are ignoring him. many would say that's the right play. former oversight committee spokesman, now democratic strategist, kurt badella, thank you for joining us this morning. coming up, the strikes that

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welcome back. with a frankly ominous shot of new york city. that's midtown manhattan. that's our building. we had a wave of thunderstorms roll through yesterday. it's getting off to an odd start. we are learning more details about an arrest, an arrest in midtown manhattan connected to a serial case in long island, following a decade long investigation. authorities tracked down the 59-year-oldlooking at his phone records, online activity and

more. stephanie gosk has the details. >> reporter: this morning, the suspected serial killer behind the gilgo beach slayings is behind bars. >> rex heuermann was a demon that walk among us, who ruined families. >> reporter: he is accused of murdering bathelemy, kos toll low and waterman, found wrapped in burlap in 2010. a witness helped crack the case, according to court documents. >> witnesses provided a description of the individual which was detailed and indicated the person was unique. >> reporter: describing a large white male with dark, bushy hair driving an avalanche. dna samples were used from bottles and pizza crust pulled from the trash. the case haunted long island's south shore over a decade after

remains were initially found. those who lived there afraid a serial killer was on the loose. heuermann, architect and married father of two, was living a double life. using burner phones, say investigators, who tracked his phone activity near his fifth avenue office in manhattan and his house in massapequa park. melissa barthelemy's cell phone was used to make taunting calls to her family members after she disappeared. court documents detailing escort services and fake dating profiles. a contrast to the everyday businessman seen in this video taking last year. >> when a job that should have been routine suddenly becomes not routine, i get the phone call. >> reporter: authorities now continuing to investigate if heuermann is connected to the murder of other women, including maureen barnes.

>> even with this arrest, we're not done. there's more work to do. >> nbc's stephanie gosk with that report. elsewhere, a 25-year-old alabama woman is safe with her family just two days after she was reported missing. a puzzling 911 call by the woman set off a frantic search. now, there are questions about where she was and what actually happened. nbc news correspondent priscilla thompson has the very latest. >> i'm so thankful that carlee is home safe. so thankful. >> reporter: this morning, the search for carlee russell is over. the nursing student returned to her family home saturday night. police say she arrived alone and on foot. angela harris helped lead the community search for her. you spoke to this family moments after carlee came home. >> right. >> reporter: what did they say? >> it was just kind of like a very emotional phone call. i just broke down.

i said, is she okay? she said, i don't know. she seems to be okay. she just seems to be in shock. >> reporter: officials say russell was taken to the hospital for evaluation and has since been released. her safe return putting an end to a day's long search that began thursday night with the puzzling 911 call. police say russell told an emergency operator she saw a toddler walking alone on an interstate. >> going to be a child walking on the -- 3 or 4-year-old child walking on the side of the interstate. >> reporter: it is believed she stopped to check on the child and was on the phone with a family member when she disappeared. >> she heard a scream and then some type of running shuffle. >> reporter: russell's parents horrified. >> i just felt immediately that she was in danger. >> reporter: video from the interstate where russell vanished shows a car driving slowly with its flashers on. >> her vehicle is unlocked,

running, personal belongings except for her phone. >> reporter: police found russell's car, her cell phone and purse on the road nearby, but there were no signs of russell or a child. an urgent search ensued, both on the ground and on social media. >> i need everyone to stop and pay attention. >> reporter: where her disappearance quickly went viral. celebrities, including wanda sykes, viola davis and octavia spencer spreading the word. still, questions remain about where russell was for those 48 hours and who she was with. a man identifying himself as russell's boyfriend writing on social media, she was literally fighting for her life for 48 hours. and that she is not able to give any updates or whereabouts on her kidnapper. the police chief telling nbc news in a phone call they've spoken to russell and are following up on the information she provided. >> nbc's priscilla thompson with that report. we'll bring you any updates in the days ahead. coming up, if it seems like

your seasonal allergies are getting worse, you're probably not wrong. our next guest says allergic reactions are growing around the world, and joins us with some theories about what's behind the rise. including how an emphasis on hygiene might be contributing. "morning joe" will be right back. ♪ ♪ ♪♪ voltaren. the joy of movement. ♪♪

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welcome back. here's some bad news for you. cases of the common cold are on the rise this summer compared to recent years. nbc news senior medical correspondent john torres takes a look at what is behind that upsetting rise. >> reporter: the temperatures might be soaring, but for many

americans, that hasn't stopped the cold. the common cold, that is. >> the worst cold that i have gotten. >> reporter: across the country -- >> it started off with sneezing, then congestion. >> reporter: -- it's been the summer of sniffles. >> just a lot of, you know, you runny nose, always keeping tissues next to me. >> reporter: so the numbers you're seeing now, more than during the pandemic? >> more than during the pandemic, absolutely. >> reporter: dr. pizni specializes in infectious diseases at uc health. you hear from a lot of people, i'm getting a summer cold. i haven't gotten it the last two, three years. are you seeing the same thing here, numbers are going up? >> compared to positivity, we are seeing increased numbers compared to prior years. >> reporter: those are some of the viruss that can cause the common cold. and if you look at the cdc chart, it shows how the

identifiers has peaked nationwide. >> sick absolutely sucks and i've been going through 1 million and 1 tissues. >> it was weird to stay inside and have a cold and want to drink tea when it was 85 degrees outside. >> reporter: why are we seeing more colds now? >> we're not masking, we're not hand watching as much. >> reporter: doctors believe those pandemic precautions so many took kept the cold at bay. >> if you have a cough or cold, make sure you hand wash. up to you if you would like to wear your mask or not. >> reporter: it's the same if you want to avoid a cold. wash your hands frequently and even wear a mask in crowded spaces if you choose. ways to avoid this now common summer bummer. >> i've never gotten sick during the summer. i was like, what's going on? >> and if that's not bad enough, it's not only colds that seem to be getting worse, it's allergies as well. joining us now, medical anthropologist, teresa mcphail.

her latest book called "allergic our irritated bodies in a changing world." thank you for being here. it seems like anecdotally you hear people you talk to that their allergies are worse this year than they were the previous year. what's behind this rise? >> it's a lot of different factors including air pollution. we use more antibiotics. we changed our eating habits. so, it's really that we're changing everything around us. so our immune systems, which are really, really old, are having trouble keeping up with all the changes. >> now, you mentioned in the tease a moment ago this idea that even hygiene might be playing a role. what did you mean by that? >> yeah. so if you think about it, thankfully none of us have tb or cholera. we're cleaner as a rule. sanitation got better.

we're more clean. we use more an septic product. but the problem is some of those bacteria and some of those viruss are actually helpful to us. and we need them around us. and they help train our immune smchl without them, our immune systems are a little like a toddler that doesn't have anything to do and they'll find something to do. what they're finding to do is pollen and dust mites. >> the advice here is to be less hygienic. let me apologize in advance for being next to you. >> i was getting ready to ask that. you're not suggesting that we shower or bathe less. i have two questions. before i distance myself from john. and secondly, does different allergies happen at different stages in life? if you're younger, could you get an allergy, older, do you lose allergies? let me know where those stages come. >> it used to be pretty standard

that if you didn't have an allergy as a child, you wouldn't have one later in life. but we have been seeing a lot more of adult onset allergies. so it's perfectly possible to develop an allergy in your 40s, 50s, 60s. so we have been seeing more of them. and should we all be showering less? probably. just because we're disrupting the skin's micro biome. we have trillions of -- >> it's 90 degrees outside. >> it's terrible to say that right now. but as a rule, yeah. we're doing too much to try to get rid of all the bacteria and viruses. it turns out less is more. >> teresa, this is susan page. first of all, the job of medical anthropologist sounds really cool. definitely would like to see that on what's my line to see if people can guess what it is you do. we have seen all these reports today and for months and years about changes in whether flooding in vermont and record

temperatures in arizona tied to climate change. has this been a factor in this rise in allergies? >> absolutely. so climate change has been just devastating for allergy sufferers. right now we have wild fire smoke drifting down into the u.s. and so those particulate matter is very irritating to the lungs. pollen can actually hitch a ride on those particles and get delivered deeper into your lungs so there's a direct connection between increase in pollution and increase in asthma rates. the flooding causes more mold spores. we're actually seeing a big rise in mold allergies even as north as places like boston at this place. >> the new book is titled "allergic." teresa mcphail with mixed prescription going forward. still ahead here on "morning joe," former president trump has claimed he could end the war in ukraine within 24 hours.

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senator tubervillle to say that he's not jeopardizing national security when he injects politics into the defense process and frankly this is not the time to do it. not when there is a war going on in europe. not when american leadership is vital to the international global order. for him to really jeopardize our national security by injecting politics and preventing our military leaders to take their positions and do their jobs is really -- you know, it's beyond

disgusting. it is just that, jeopardization. >> tammy duckworth criticizing tommy tubervillle's blockade. duckworth lost both of her legs while serving in iraq after a helicopter she was flying was hit with a rocket propelled grenade. also on capitol hill, the republican-controlled house approved defense bill loaded with far right social issues that has almost no chance of passing the senate. we're going to take a look at the looming showdown over funding the military. also ahead, we'll dig in this brand new reporting special counsel jack smith is now putting the pressure on a worker inside the trump organization who is connected to the classified documents investigation. meanwhile, trump's top republican challenger in the 2024 race is already shaking up his presidential campaign staff.

a move which governor ron desantis' team says is not related to his lagging poll numbers. plus, a perception versus reality problem for president joe biden when it comes to the economy. we'll break down the polling that's not lining up with the latest economic data. good morning and welcome to "morning joe." it's monday, july 17th, i'm jonathan lemire, back from europe. i'm in for joe, mika and willie. we have a great group assembled on this monday. the president of the national action network and host of msnbc's politics nation, the reverend al sharpton is here. washington bureau chief for usa today, susan page. president emeritus of the council on former relations is richard haass is with us. ali vitali who just saw host way too early is here. and communication strategist and former aide to ryan and boehner, brandon buck an msnbc political analyst as well. thank you all for being here.

we have a lot of headlines to get to. richard, we're going to start with tennis. the front page of the "wall street journal" right here. this was one of the great matches i've ever seen, carlos alcaraz at wimbledon defeating novak djokovic, many consider the greatest player in the world. as djokovic was going for a calendar year of grand slams and fifth consecutive wimbledon. this was spectacular stuff, including a game in the third set that lasted about 26 minutes. >> what was so interesting about it, the first set djokovic won, blew him out of the court. that lasted 34 minutes. so you had one game in the third set that was almost as long as the entire first set. it was as good as it gets. alcaraz has an arsenal, expect the power and speed, jonathan. he's 16 years younger but did things with finesse, i never quite seen it where he almost pause in his forehand, wait to see which way djokovic committed and then he would hit the ball.

it was really quite a stunning display of artistry. >> susan page, i spent my sunday at a bowling alley at a kid's birthday party. everyone was staring at this. this is maybe the sign of generational change as djokovic passing the torch to the 20-year-old alcaraz. i think djokovic will be around for a while. i'm not going to count him out. this was about as great as it gets. what did you think? >> djokovic pretty gracious in self acknowledging a kind of passing of the torch or the beginning of a new generation taking over in tennis. i thought he deserved some credit for acknowledging the greatness of the tennis that he was seeing on the other side of the net. >> yeah. i've always been teen federer. djokovic likes to play villain in these roles but he was gracious yesterday. one wonders if he'll finally get that fan love that has eluded him so many tennis players

preferred federer ora fa nadal. great stuff. we'll have more about that later on. the headlines now. house republicans have passed the defense spending bill that limits abortion access, transgender care and diversity training for military personnel. the controversial legislation was approved on friday primarily along party lines. this, after the far-right freedom caucus pushed to include amendment on major social issues. democrats then accused republicans of turning what's usually a bipartisan bill into a culture war. the legislation is now headed to the senate it's certainly expected to fail. here is what house speaker kevin mccarthy had to say about that. >> just focus on the military. stop using taxpayer money to do their own wokism. a military cannot defend themselves if you train them in woke. we don't want disney land to train our military. we want our men and women in the military to have every defense possible. and that's what our bill does.

the money focuses directly on their quality of life and more importantly on the investment. >> now, republicans are specifically defending an amendment passed in the house's annual defense spending bill last week that blocks the pentagon from covering the expenses for women in the military who need to travel out of state to have an abortion procedure. here is what republican senator tom cotton of arkansas as well as congressman michael mccaul of texas had to say yesterday about that measure. >> shouldn't all troops regardless of where they're stationed get the same treatment? why penalize them for living in texas? >> they're free to travel to another state to have -- >> they would be penalized. >> to have an abortion, just not at taxpayer expense. >> they would have to take the time off and the like. so that would impact their ability to do their job. arguably, right? if they have to go on leave. >> the military should not be paying for abortion tourism. >> so what should women who are

in uniform in a place where they cannot access abortion because they are there on orders, what should they do? >> well, if they want to take that step, they have 30 days of annual leave. it shouldn't be taxpayer funds giving them three weeks of paid, uncharged leave. >> so let's talk about the mechanics of this, passed last week as noted likely to go down in the senate. we heard kevin mccarthy talk about wokism. where is this going? and what are the real world implications of suddenly this bill being in real jeopardy? >> look, this is typically something that is bipartisan in nature. you look at the way that it came out of committee i think 58-1 or something very bipartisan like that. it's something that i asked the speaker on friday why he thought you watched this shift from going from something that was very bipartisan to basically passing along party lines. there were a few exceptions. some of them front liars in tough districts for re-election next year, but look, i think it

speaks to the current mindset of this house republican conference. now, we know, because we watched this dance be done with the debt ceiling battle, that the first pass at this out of the house republican conference is not the thing that ultimately gets passed in the end. but there are a lot of changes that are going to be made here between this house version and what the senate is ultimately going to take up. and i think what's going to be important here is some of the promises that mccarthy may have made to get members of his conference on board here in the first place. the fact that, for example, he's now got marjorie taylor greene, who he promised a spot on the conference committee for this bill, that means that she's going to be one of the folks who is in the room and actually helping to hammer out what this ultimately looks like. i think that's going to be really important. the other thing i'm looking for, too, is the way that this abortion issue, which really did start with senator tubervillle in the senate, him holding up those military promotions until the pentagon changes the policy you were just talking about, it seems like he's struggling for

an off ramp a little bit. i know when he was talking to one of our nbc colleagues last week, he seemed to say that he would back down on this, maybe if there were a vote. he's changed sort of the way he's talked about this the last few weeks. looks like he's looking for some kind of an off ramp. i'm wondering if that's one of the things that comes to fruition as they're conferencing out what this ndaa might look like, but i think more than anything, this is instructive of not just the battle we're looking at right now on the military and how congress is going to tell the military they can use their funds because that's what this is, but then the later funding bill itself on spending coming in the fall and whether or not we're going to go to a government shutdown. each of these battles, debt ceiling, ndaa, all is instructive for what's ahead. >> rev, in the clips we just played, it's impossible not to be struck by the callousness of the two republican lawmakers while talking about this. senator cotton used the phrase abortion tourism. just give us your sense to how

he is portraying an issue that is so difficult and so central to so many women put in a situation where now they're being political pawns. >> to really minimize the impact of a woman's decision to have or not have an abortion, to try and act like this is some excursion, like you're going on a vacation spot or something shows the callousness. you used the right word. of the right wing in these particular arguments. this is not tourism. this is basic decisions that take a lot of real gut wrenching decisions to make. then to try to use the fact that this country needs to have its defense at all times on alert. i mean, we have battles going on all over the world. ukraine, et cetera. and we're going to play these culture wars the middle of a time that recruitment is down.

it shows you that they have no boundaries to try to unmoralizing. and susan, i think that from your perch watching all this, there's really no place i can remember in recent history where we have seen this kind of moral majority from the olden days even try to interfere with military strength and military recruitment to try to make an argument that ought to be made in the public square or in churches. >> yeah. and let's think about what the political consequences will be for some of these republican members in districts that are either swing districts or districts that joe biden won who have cast now votes in favor of this pretty hard line position on abortion for women in the military. and i wonder, richard haass, we talk about the political consequences, which are considerable, we know.

what are the actual national -- are there national security repercussions if there is a failure to pass this defense authorization bill which i think is possible when we look at the showdown coming up. >> i think this national security consequence decision, whatever happens, one the rev was getting at it a little bit, one of the biggest problems facing the military is retention and recruitment. women play a central role in the american military. things have really, really changed. i don't think lawmakers understand that. so to weigh in on these issues really undermines readiness. that's point one. if this bill weren't to pass because of this, yes. we already have a decline the u.s. military can't do the procurement it needs to, having personnel issues, if suddenly funds aren't available at this moment and the united states we're not a direct participate

in ukraine, a major indirect participant there, plus we have operations in every other theater of the world, it would be a major, major problem. makes it impossible to plans. makes it that much more difficult. everyone has been doing these issues for a long time. we have come a long way since politics stopped at the water's edge. the idea this becomes another football for american politics is a sign of just how much things have deteriorated. >> richard to that point, it was a major topic of conversation last week while overseas covering the president. the defense secretary was there talking about senator tubervillle's blockade. can't fill important positions. key jobs in the military that are left vacant right now. president biden himself in his news conference in helsinki singled out the senator for what he's doing. and brandon buck, give us -- you worked with a couple republicans, speakers you're well aware of the machinations and the strategy and gop leadership in the house and weigh in on the senate, too. what are they doing here. is this -- what is the thought

process behind the republican party that's not just blocking leadership positions but also, you know, doing a thing to richard's point challenging american military readiness. >> it would be a mistake to say this is part of any plan. kevin mccarthy held that press conference on friday after the bill passed. a bit of a pep rally for the bill, which is funny because this was something that he was trying to avoid all week long in going back to last week. they were held up in rules committee for a very long time trying to sort out how to handle this as ali pointed out, this was a bipartisan bill just a few weeks ago. he didn't want to do this for those political reasons. he knows looking down the road this will come back to the house without a lot of these provisions and once again, he'll have to sell this to his members as a walk back. i'm a little consperitorial.

they like to set a situation the house negotiates with the senate, doesn't get all these more extreme positions and put it at kevin mccarthy's feet for not delivering once again. he's facing a lot of pressure and will extend when we're doing actual funding for the military. we haven't failed to pass one of these organization bills in 60 years. we don't know what would happen when we didn't get one done. we sure know if we can't fund the military when we get to the appropriations next, that's a huge, huge problem not just for us but lots of places around the world. >> one of those places of course being ukraine and the u.s. assistance there. there's developing news out of that war-torn nation this morning. where a reported explosion on the kir ch bring has killed two people and injured another. russia has blamed ukraine for the explosion, which has now shut down traffic on the bridge. ukraine has not yet claimed responsibility for the attack. the bridge, of course, is the

same one struck by last in october of last year that rendered the bridge useless and underwent intense repairs, reopened in may. it's a point of real pride, richard haass, for vladimir putin, the construction of this bridge after russia annexed crimea, illegally annexed crimea, some years ago. we also have breaking news this morning about how russia might be pulling out of the grain deal that allowed grain to come out of ukraine to help feed part of the world, particularly africa. there's real fears of famine if this can't get restored and restored quickly. give us your sense here on is that but also this exmotion, let's say ukraine was responsible, shows another moment they not unafraid to strike within russia's border. >> it's not the first time ukraine has done this. three stories if you will, today. one is the bridge this will complicate or prevent russian resupply of their troops in crimea. and again, as you say, jonathan, exactly. it's a strike against putin especially when this bridge was

opened about five or so years ago, if my dates are right, tremendous fanfare. and this shows again the russians don't have control. the breakdown of the grain agreement which will hurt a lot of the world. this is a real setback if this doesn't get put back on track. ukrainian grain, ukraine is traditionally one of the bread baskets of the world. there will be a lot of o prices around the world that will spike. this will complicate seriously the economic situation, a lot of the developing world, africa and the middle east. there's that. we'll see whether this happens. thirdly, a big story over the weekend about mines and how the russians have heavily mined territory. dug in defensively and how it's wage to wage an effective counteroffensive against that thick mine. ukraine side has really churned a lot of equipment, lost a lot of lives. the initial months or weeks of the counteroffensive have proven shall we say very costly. so this gives a sense this war is going on in many, many ways

at once. and russia is, if you will, fighting a defensive indirect struggle, but nothing that is decided in any way. >> i asked president biden the state of the counteroffensive last week while we were in europe. he acknowledged that president zelenskyy told him it had been very hard slog, slower than anticipated. on the subject of ukraine, fox news yesterday aired an hour-long pretaped interview with donald trump in which anchor maria bartiromo pressed the president on his repeated claim he could end the war in ukraine in one day. take a look. >> you said you could end the war in ukraine in 24 hours. >> yes, i did. >> how would you do that? >> i know zelenskyy very well. i felt he was very honorable. when they asked him about the perfect phone call i made, he said it was perfect. he didn't know what they were talking about. he could have grand standed, oh, i felt threatened. >> that's not enough for putin to stop bombing ukraine. >> i'm not saying that. i know zelenskyy very well and i know putin very well, even

better. and i had good relationship -- very good with both of them. i would tell zelenskyy, no more. you got to make a deal. i would tell putin, if you don't make a deal, we're going to give them a lot. we'll give them more than we ever got if we have to. i will have the deal done in one day. one day. >> hang on. i mean, first of all, then again, one day suggests they're going to plan to give russia plenty. he's telling zelenskyy, hey, that's enough. i think we can read between the lines what that is about. he's characterized his relationship with volodymyr zelenskyy i knew him very well. yes, because it was this conversation with zelenskyy that got him impeached the first time as he was trying to with hold military aid to ukraine so ukraine would dig up political dirt on now president biden. so that's the backdrop to that conversation. but just, give us your read here on what we're hearing from trump and i will say, one of the persistent story lines at the

nato summit last week is this real fear if putin can hang on through the american elections next fall, and he's rewarded with donald trump as the white house, he knows he has a shot to win this after all. >> yes. this is a concern we heard from quietly from nato leaders about what would happen if donald trump wins the next election, which is not an impossibility. we heard that first question at that finnish news. the u.s. position would be quite different toward the war in ukraine and toward vladimir putin if donald trump moved back into the white house. of course the idea that the american president, whoever he or she is could tell zelenskyy to make a deal and that he would do so is pretty laughable given that zelenskyy has shown himself to be a pretty valiant leader of ukraine and someone who is willing to stand up to the united states when he thinks it's in his interest. and the question of when ukraine will be interested and willing

to seek -- sit down for a serious diplomatic solution, i don't really think we're there yet. >> brendan, there are certainly some in republican leadership and senate minority leader mcconnell chief among them. look, we'll support ukraine. this is what our jobs as americans to do, to bolster kyiv against what russia is doing. there's a strain of isolationism, a strain of republicans who are questioning whether or not this is the right idea. we know there's some in the republican house and those voices have grown louder about the idea of the funding for ukraine. we also heard from tucker carlson at an event he held in iowa in recent days really pressing some of the gop candidates about whether or not this is a good idea. how prevalent or how much of factor is this going to be for republican voters as they look at these candidates today, including most of all donald trump, you know, that this could be -- we want to not support ukraine. we want to do something very different than this current white house going forward? >> oh, it's very real. the party is so much more

isolationist than it was and we saw this vote on the bill we were just talking about in the house. there were amendments offered to significantly limit or cut off support for ukraine. they failed overwhelmingly. 70 something republicans voted for that. and look and say, well, that didn't pass even close. wow, that's a lot of republicans saying they're willing to cut off aid to ukraine right now at this moment. that was bracing in that trump interview for him to say that's his position, he'll cut off and that's how he's going to end this war. at least thankfully he said maybe use strength to try to end it. but it's real. it's pervasive, a lot of very popular figures out there who push this stuff all the time. and there's an audience for it. trump has been one of the leaders of the isolationist movement you have to say. so he's responding to something that he saw out there but also drives it a lot himself. coming up, hollywood screen writers and actors are set to hit the picket lines once again this morning. we'll go over the growing impact

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welcome back. some in hollywood are sounding the alarm over the damage that could be caused by the dual strikes of the writers and screen actors guild. in an interview with "face the nation" yesterday, former paramount pictures ceo barry diller shared his thoughts on the harm a prolonged strike could bring. >> this actually will have devastating effects if it is not settled soon. and the problem with settlement in this case is there's no trust between the parties. these conditions will potentially produce an absolute collapse of an entire industry. >> on friday, actors represented

by the s.a.g. actor's union joined actors on the picket line. the writers have been on strikes since may. little to no negotiations. there's a sense that both of these strikes could last a very long time. writers suggest the industry needs to change going forward particularly how ai may impact the business. we'll have more on that in the morning ahead. the white house meanwhile continues to out the bidenomics in an effort to convince voters that the improvements in the job market and inflation are all thanks to the occupant of the oval office. white house counsel of the economic adviser's chair jared bernstein suggested to msnbc jonathan cay part yesterday that he's confident the united states will likely avoid a recession. but convincing the public san all together separate issue. a recent associated press poll found that just 30% of adults think the economy is, quote, good. meanwhile, while speaking at the conservative turning point

action conference yesterday, republican congresswoman marjorie taylor greene of georgia warned that president biden wants to address issues like education, medical care and world poverty. take a look. >> lyndon b. johnson is very similar to joe biden. how are they say the same? they're both democrat socialist. lyndon b. johnson was the majority leader in the senate. does that sound familiar? he was vice president to kennedy. joe was vice president to obama. he was appointed as the president after jfk was assassinated, then he was elected. his big socialist programs were the great society. the great society where big government programs to address education, medical care, urban problems, rural poverty, transportation, medicare, medicaid, food stamps and welfare. the office of economic

opportunity and big labor and labor unions. now, lbj had the great society but joe biden had build back better. and he still is working on it. the largest public investment in social infrastructure and environmental programs that has actually finishing what fdr started that lbj expanded on and joe biden is attempting to complete. >> so, reverend al sharpton, that sound you're hearing is the white house thanking marjorie taylor greene for the campaign commercial. let's remember in the first months in office, they eagerly embraced the lyndon johnson comparisons. the great society is what they're shooting for. the most transformative legislative presidency since then the first two year whence they had the democrats in control in the house and senate. for most democrats, that's music to your ears. >> i was waiting on the attack. she said all of that and i was waiting for and what do you object to. she left out the voting rights

act and the civil rights act. and she forget to say that lyndon johnson defeated barry goldwater in one of the biggest landslides in presidential history in this country. but -- and that joe biden defeated donald trump. he didn't inherit this from the assassination of his predecessor. but we won't let facts get in our way. >> never have before. >> if i were the democratic party leadership or the biden people, i would take that clip and run it all over the country because the things she's saying that biden stands for and lbj and fdr stood for are the things most americans want and many are living on right now. you're going to attack medicare? i mean, i see now why they put her out of the freedom kau cause. now she's in a caucus of her own and it's not very wise caucus. >> maybe a double agent, rev. ali vitali, certainly the white house is leaning into the idea of the economy. >> yeah. >> the things that marjorie

taylor greene just mentioned all poll well among republicans and votes writ large. we just noted that americans don't feel that great about the economy. that's the risk here, right? the president and therefore democrats falling in line behind him really saying, hey, bidenomics, we're full on embracing and trying to take credit for this economy. he's giving another major speech on that later in philadelphia. but there are risks here, too. >> yeah, of course there are. we were talking about this on way too early this morning the idea that there is this disconnect between what the numbers say about how the economy is doing and what voters are telling me and you and all of us when we go out on the campaign trail they are feeling. it comes at a time when trump has been able to successfully show americans or at least convince them that he's good on the economy despite the fact that his businesses have not always been on the up and up, despite the fact they haven't always made the money he says they make. nevertheless, trump is still perceived as strong on this and

republicans are going to try to continue to leverage tissue. i think the thing that i'm so struck by when i hear what congress woman marjorie taylor greene is saying there, because you're ticking through things, health care, rural poverty, a lot of americans would like to see solutions to going forward. but the other thing that i think of here is the ways in which the white house has leaned in on issues like this in the past. you know, when she mentioned build back better which eventually became the inflation reduction act, it lacked some of the key tenants that were initially proposed, but many of the things that were in build back better and ultimately the ira were things that polled very well among republicans and democrats alike. that's something that the white house leaned on quite heavily. the idea, for example, doing infrastructure, which is generally popular in a bipartisan fashion. all of these things are things that the white house is going to point to to say, hey, not only are we getting results or did get results in the first two years of our administration, but we're getting results on things that people can actually see and feel a difference to and also

that they support in polling. >> you know, ali, interesting to me in the clip that we saw as marjorie taylor greene was going through this agenda that she apparently finds offensive, there wasn't much of a reaction that we could hear from that conservative young audience. i don't know if she got a better reaction later on than she did to the clip we saw. you know, here is the dilemma for the white house. they clearly need to do a better sales job. especially in talk about things like the strong job market, the fact that inflation eased. we had good inflation numbers at the end of last week. but, a sales job only goes so far when you're talking about the economy. that's something americans live with everyday of their lives and their own families. it's hard to convince people things are going well if they're having trouble meeting their bills. if they're having trouble keeping their kids in college or paying the rent. and richard haass, you had experience at the white house. what can the white house do on

an issue like this to change the public's perception about what is going on in their own lives? >> well, what the white house can do is one, hope that things continue to get slightly better. there has been progress on the inflation front. we'll see what growth numbers are. it's not going to be that easy in certain way. the numbers coming out of china in a funny sort of way will slow things down. and then you have to basically explain, explain and explain. point to things that are getting better. demonstrate -- essentially educate. the oval office is in some ways one of the great classrooms of america. fdr on the fireside chats. it's not president biden's strength necessarily, but i think essentially you have to explain, there's got to be a narrative. there's got to be a story. we come out of covid, here are the things that have gotten better and everyone is dealing with weather-related things. well connect that with climate change. essentially explain what it is the investments we're making in

the country. but essentially you have to have a narrative that the american people buy into. i don't think the biden administration yet has constructed a narrative that people understand and essentially say, okay, i get it. i can support that. coming up on "morning joe," former president donald trump appears to suggest that united states should not defend taiwan in china launches an attack. we'll show you those new comments straight ahead. attack. we'll show you those new comments straight ahead. ns. get all-day and all-night heartburn acid prevention with just one pill a day. choose acid prevention. choose nexium.

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does not have a home run this year in 120 at bats. will now. a game-winning walk-off home run. >> what a jinx. allen trejo of the colorado rockies taking issue with the yankees play by play call. he lifts rockies to an 8-7 win over the yankees.

the yankees now lost six of the last eight games falling to 15 and 19 since aaron judge left their lineup with an injury on june 30th. does not seem close to returning. meanwhile in chicago, look who is coming. the boston red sox beat the cubs in an 11-5 blowout yesterday. highlighted by that grand slam hit by owe she ta in the fifth inning. he's been terrific. the red sox and yankees are now tied for last place in the a.l. east. tied for fourth place in the a.l. east. neither of these teams are particularly good or neither teams feel like they're real threats in the post season. the red sox have baseball's best record since july 1st. they're coming on. your yankees, what's the deal? when is aaron judge coming back? is he? >> there's so many news stories we could talk about. >> no, we're spending time on this. >> yankee pitching was yet again disastrous yesterday. yankee hitting wasn't as bad as

it normally is. not clear what judge's timetable is. but even with him, it's not clear the yankees have a winning formula this year. the big story is the baltimore orioles. even you or joe would have predicted the orioles would be as good as they are right now. tampa bay rays, gravities inserted itself. but the orioles are playing stunningly well, far, far better than pre-season predictions. yankees and red sox are still not out of it in terms of the post season. we're only 55% of the way through the season. so there's time to continue to disappoint. >> yeah. we should note this is the first time ever division had every team win 50 games at this point in the season. sox and yanks only a game or two out of the wild card. richard, it was my suggestion to spend another hour talking about the yankees. i'm told we have to move on.

we mentioned that hour-long pre-taped interview on fox news yesterday that former president trump had. he weighed in on ukraine and was also asked about taiwan. take a look. >> should the u.s. help defend taiwan if it means going to war with china? >> i don't want to say it because if i'm in the position of president, i don't want to say what i'm thinking. you know, if i answer that question, it would put me in a very bad negotiating position. with that being said, taiwan did take all of our chip business. you know, we used to make our own chip. now they're made in taiwan. >> 90% -- >> no, no. >> china goes in there, they'll be able to turn the world on and off. isn't that right? >> if china takes taiwan, they will turn the world off potentially. i mean, potentially. but remember this taiwan took our business away. we should have stopped them.

we should have taxed them, tariffed them. >> richard, what do you think? i mean, this is the president talking very dangerous game here with taiwan. and akin to how we mentioned little earlier how vladimir putin might be watching the 2024 election to take his cues as to what to do next. well, maybe xi jinping will as well. >> you're exactly right. both presidents putin and xi will wait and see and see what things look like come january 2025. the first half of what the president said is consistent with u.s. policy. he wouldn't say one way or the other. strategic ambiguity whether the united states would come to taiwan's defense. that's consistent with american foreign policy. second half is wildly, wildly inconsistent. this idea of portraying taiwan as an economic adversary the way he did it is one, wrong. two, casts real doubt about our willingness to come to taiwan's defense. if we were not to, we shouldn't

underestimate the consequence, not just economically but strategically. the japanese, the south koreans and others the entire american alliance system in asia i think now hinges on what the united states is prepared to do for taiwan. if you don't want china to be in a position, to use the president's expression, can turn off the world's economy, let's deter china. let's persuade xi jinping, whatever his dreams or aspirations to take other taiwan, the costs and the risks would be too great. we ought to be projecting a certainty that we are going to come to taiwan's help. and we ought to build up the capacity to do it. this unfortunately goes in the opposite direction. >> rev, we mentioned how president putin and president xi are watching this, but our allies are getting messages here that they know that donald trump has at least reasonable chance at being president again. it seems like every time he opens his mouth on issues of foreign policy, foreign capital, our staunchest allies have to wonder if america will be there

for them again were trump to return to office. >> which is the kind of trepidation a lot of them have said is that we don't want to go all in until we see where the future is. you have to remember for this wanna be president again to give the signal that the united states would not be committed to taiwan, one, he's saying something that is -- could be devastating in terms of relationships. but, at the same time, is he playing politics to xi like he plays politics to putin. he plays all these dictators. let's not forget when we saw the attempted mutiny with putin just three weeks ago, it was also uncovered that this group, led by his former chef, tried to in many ways influence the election and supported of trump in the first place. we're looking at the front page of today's "new york times"

talking about if trump gets back in wants vast powers. play to xi, play to putin. i mean, this is very threatening not only to our allies but to our citizens. >> you know, president biden has had some struggles sticking to the official policy of strategic ambiguity on taiwan, too. he said several times made it very clear that under his watch the united states would come to the defense of taiwan. but ali, i wonder what you're hearing on capitol hill. we talked earlier in this hour about the divisions among republicans on aid to ukraine. where does the hill stand on this debate over what the u.s. would do if china moved against taiwan? >> yeah. i think this is one of those conversations that we're rightly having as inextricably linked around the u.s. and russia and the way the chinese are both observing that situation and potentially engaging with it. this was one of the key issues

on combatting chinese aggression that we saw the hill at the beginning of the state of divided congress actually likely to act in bipartisan fashion on. and we have seen, for example, the select committee on china issues, work and bipartisan fashion. it's one of the places where we do watch republican senators and lawmakers broadly criticize the former president for the ways in which he speaks graciously about people like xi, similarly to the ways that he speaks about putin and kim jong-un. i do think i was struck there, too, by the way that folks in the commerce department probably had their ears perk up as trump is talking positively about the need to recalibrate the way that chips are made. certainly that's something that congress acted on in the early phases of the biden administration in the first year that was a big win for them. and so, certainly that's one of the things that they're trying to out the here even on the world stage. i know that people don't exactly connect hard politics with chips politics, but that's something that the white house and the

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time for a look at the morning papers. in georgia, the ledger inquirer reports that cities across america are seeing a spike in family homelessness. new data shows that as of january nearly 73,000 people and families with children were experiencing homelessness in 20 of the country's largest cities. that's nearly a 38% increase from the year before.

new york, chicago, washington, d.c. and ft. worth, texas, were home to some of the largest increases. meanwhile, connecticut is spending $10 million of pandemic relief funds to provide tutors for sixth through ninth grade students in certain districts. this as nationwide data shows student test scores have declined since the pandemic. supporters say frequent sessions between a small group of students and teachers can boost performance, as well as the child's confidence. coming up, despite being in republican friendly territory, gop congresswoman lauren boebert won her seat in a narrow victory last year. now her opponent wants a rematch. r opponent wants a rematch.

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beautiful shot of the golden gate bridge in san francisco. welcome back. welcome to the fourth hour of "morning joe." it is 6:00 a.m. on the west coast, 9:00 a.m. in the east. i'm jonathan lemire alongside the reverend al sharpton for the hour. joe, mika and willie will all be back tomorrow. a new filing from donald trump's legal team says an indictment in georgia could be coming in just a matter of days. we'll have the latest in that case. plus, a live report from pennsylvania, one state to get hit with absolutely torrential rain and flooding over the weekend. also ahead, we could see a larger impact from the shutdown in hollywood in a matter of months. we'll have new report on that

historic work stoppage in just a moment. first, a key pretrial hearing in the special counsel's classified documents case against former president trump is set to take place tomorrow. now, the hearing was originally scheduled for last friday. it will focus on the classified information procedures act. the aim here, to lay out procedures for how to handle classified evidence. at the same time, abc news is reporting that special counsel jack smith has taken new steps to examine possible efforts to obstruct the probe. sources familiar with the matter say smith is threatening potential charges against a trump organization employee who is suspected of lying to investigators. those same sources say smith has sent a target letter to that staffer in recent weeks, indicating that the employee might have perjured himself in

may during an appearance before the federal grand jury. a target letter puts a subject of an investigation on notice they are facing the prospect of an indictment. you'll recall that smith's office similarly provided notice to trump that he was a target in their probe weeks before a grand jury in florida indeed returned an indictment against him. abc news did not see the target letter, but sources familiar with it say it signals smith's growing interest in the trump organization's handling of the surveillance footage there at mar-a-lago and potential efforts to avoid sharing it with investigators. trump has pleaded not guilty to all 37 criminal counts related to his handling of classified materials. meanwhile, the former president is again defending his handling of classified documents by

invoking the presidential records act. here's what he said over the weekend on fox. >> there's no case here. it comes under the presidential records act. i'm allowed to do this. i'm allowed to have all the records i want. the "new york times," believe it or not, did an article, please, please, please mr. president, may we have the documents. it only applies to me. it doesn't apply to the vice president or anybody else. this is the presidential records act. i'm allowed to do this. what they're doing is election interference. they want to damage my name so i can't win the election. the presidential record act gives you all of the rights to do this. biden wasn't president. he didn't have the rights. >> actually, the presidential records act gives him none of those rights. everything he just said there was wrong. joining us, state attorney for palm beach county, florida, dave aronberg. we don't have to waste any time on trump's misinterpretation of

the presidential records act. i want to know what we're going to see tomorrow in the court proceedings. walk us through what we should anticipate. >> we may see judge cannon 2.0. this hearing is about scheduling, classified documents and permissions and discovery. but trump took it to the next level by asking for an indefinite postponement of the trial beyond the 2024 election. this is judge cannon, who last year gave trump everything he wanted and more, things he didn't even ask for. this is a new year with a new attitude, so i'm optimistic perhaps this will be different, because granting a postponement until after the election is nowhere in the law. you're not supposed to do that under the federal law that applies here. and i think it's a bridge too

far for judge cannon. she knows if she grants this motion, she'll be reversed by the 11th circuit and could have the entire case taken away from her. i think she will reject the president's request. still, judge cannon could give donald trump bits and pieces, delays here and there. she already has given walt nauta, his codefendant, a bunch of delays already. instead of hammering the department of justice over the head, she could impose death by a thousand paper cuts. we shall see. >> dave, when you look at the history of judge cannon and many of us view her as having been pro-trump thus far, it would be an outrage for her to even think about postponing this trial until after the election. wouldn't she, knowing the kind of national and global scrutiny

she would have, wouldn't she have to really play it safe and go by what the law says in terms of the timetable for a trial and the timetable to proceed even though, as you say, she could do the thousand cuts on other issues, she certainly wouldn't risk her whole reputation as well as her standing trying to put this trial after the 2024 elections. >> i agree with you, rev. i think trump, when he asked for this to be postponed beyond the election is just saying the quiet part out loud. when he decided to run, a lot of us said he's running because he doesn't want to be prosecuted. he thinks he can dissuade merrick garland from filing charges because he's going to claim election interference. surprise, surprise, he's now saying just postpone this indefinitely. the speedy trial act says you

have to have a definite date and it's in consultation with the defendant and the prosecution. he's not entitled to an indefinite postponement. i do think she's going to reject that request. yet, you know, when he comes back and says i need more time to review these thousands of pages of documents or my lawyers need more time to get classified clearance to look at the documents, she could grant it bit by bit and that could have the same effect as pushing this past the election. keep in mind, rev, we have the new york case that's supposed to go to trial around march. that could get in the way and require the federal government to postpone this trial even further. so we shall see. i'm skeptical that we'll see this trial before the election. >> let's move from those trump legal matters to another, the fulton county, georgia, district attorney's office seems poised to announce charges against the

former president or his associates for interference in the 2020 election. his lawyers filed petitions in two georgia courts on friday calling to disqualify fulton county d.a. fani willis from the probe. trump's team is also asking the court to block willis from introducing evidence obtained by the special grand jury. the filings are pushing for a quick ruling, arguing that willis could be just days away from securing an indictment. the filings argue that willis, a democrat, has a conflict of interest in the case and that allows it to proceed would violate trump's constitutional rights. the d.a.'s office declined to comment on the filings. trump's lawyers also had no other immediate comments. dave, we know the clock is ticking, that the d.a.'s august

signalled some months ago keep your calendars clear in august. how do you see this playing out? >> there are no merits to his motion. it's a delay tactic. remember, the grand jury that fani willis, my counterpart in fulton county, empanelled was an advisory committee. he can't say do away with that grand jury and the current grand jury that is about to indict me. it's just trying to delay and muck things up, because he knows an indictment is coming. how do we know he's about to be indicted? well, she said prepare for major indictments and she told the security apparatus that something big is coming likely in august. well, is that to prosecute rudy giuliani? of course not. it's to prosecutor the former

president. that's why she prepared people for this. you could see the rico, which is a step above anything we have seen so far at the state level, which can get him serious prison time. fani willis has had a history of using rico, the racketeering law, effectively against schoolteachers, because that law is not just for mobsters anymore. no matter what happens in the election in 2024, state charges and state convictions are pardon proof. trump cannot pardon himself and cannot order the department of justice to drop the case. that's why he knows he's in a lot of trouble. >> certainly many in the former president's orbit think their hail mary play is him pardoning himself, but that does not apply to georgia or new york state. dave aronberg, thank you, as always. we turn now to the extreme weather that has impacted large parts of the united states.

fires outside of los angeles destroyed homes and thousands of acres over the weekend. the news comes as a dangerous heat wave threatens large swaths of the country with potentially deadly triple digit highs. melissa para has the latest. >> reporter: in california, the heat compounded by flames, with a fourth wildfire now threatening homes near los angeles and prompting evacuation warnings. >> if it gets any worse, i was coming back this way. i've got to figure out what to do. >> reporter: the seemingly endless heat wave getting even hotter, las vegas pushing toward new record highs, in miami an excessive heat warning of 105. phoenix breaking a record this weekend, hitting 118 degrees. on day 17 of temps at or over 110. >> these temps are going to be absolutely outrageous. we do not want anyone having heat stroke. >> reporter: volunteer monica is providing a lifeline to those in

need. >> let's get him that. i'm taking the dog out for some a.c. and shoes. it's already, honey. we got you. don't bite me. i'm doing this for your own good. >> have you been drinking plenty of water? this is one of the hottest summers we've had in recent years. it's taking a toll on the community for sure. >> it's the united states, it's europe, the planet going through some of the hottest days in history right now. and it's not just the heat. torrential storms led to devastating floods on the east coast. let's bring in kathy park, live in bucks county, pennsylvania. what's the latest where you are? >> reporter: jonathan, much of the country can't seem to catch a break from all of this extreme weather. here in the northeast, many folks are waking up to flood damage really.

we're here in bucks county, specifically washington crossing. it got so bad saturday night that the flood waters actually buckled some of the roadways here. you can see this bridge, part of it washed away. there's debris scattered everywhere. meanwhile, the search is intensifying for these two missing kids who were swept away. this morning, the northeast recovering from severe storms, causing torrential downpours and flash flooding over the weekend. >> i've never seen anything like it. >> reporter: and heartbreak in pennsylvania, where at least five are dead from the fierce floods, including a mother, two of her children, a 9 month old baby boy and 2-year-old girl still missing after their car was caught in the rushing water. the father and their son able to reach safety. >> we continue to look for the two children. we are not going to give up. >> reporter: the sudden onslaught of rain catching many off guard.

>> we got thrown off our motorcycle and floating down the side of the road, clinging to trees, vines, whatever we could. >> reporter: the heavy rainfall impacting communities from connecticut to massachusetts, where a tornado touched down, knocking down trees for nearly two miles. new jersey's governor sunday declaring a state of emergency. more than 1500 cancellations sunday alone as major airports around new york city and boston issued ground stops. all this as tens of millions are waking up to poor air quality alerts again, including chicago, pittsburgh and new york amid a new round of canadian wildfire smoke in a summer of unrelenting wild weather. back here in pennsylvania, jonathan, i spoke with a couple of residents who say they're actually joining in the ongoing search efforts to find those missing kids. they're walking along the creek

beds to help anyway they can. meanwhile, still a lot of debris and damage to clean up and a lot of the roads in the area still impassable. >> kathy park, thank you for that report. meanwhile, almost every hollywood performer and writer is on strike for the first time in 63 years with a-list actors joining picket lines in los angeles and here in new york. nbc news national correspondent miguel almaguer has the latest on the disruption to film and tv productions. >> reporter: this morning in hollywood, actors and writers joining forces on the picket line in two massive strikes that are bringing the entertainment industry to a halt. the walkout of 160,000 sag-aftra members has shut down productions around the world, asking for protections against the rise of artificial intelligence and better

compensation, including the residuals model in the streaming era. >> to create a whole new business model but not be willing to change the contract that was predicated off of a completely different industry is insanity! >> reporter: some of the biggest names in hollywood now showing up on the picket lines. >> we're in old contracts for a new type of business. it's just not working for most people. >> reporter: others are speaking out online. >> there's people in this business that's not even getting paid enough to afford health insurance. >> reporter: over the weekend movie fans flocked to theaters to see the latest installment of the mission impossible franchise which brought in 80 million in its first five days. and the highly anticipated summer blockbusters oppenheimer and barbie are generating major buzz ahead of their releases

next weekend, the latter expected to be the highest grossing film of the year. but even with the content studios and streamers have in the can, some insiders say consumers could feel the effects of a tinsel town shutdown as early as fall and most definitely by next year. >> there's a reason they call it show business and not show friends. these are not sent mental people. they're looking at the bottom line. >> let's bring in cnbc's dom chu. what are the impacts we're looking at both in the near and long-term? >> it could be on a near-term basis just the idea that you don't have any more content put out there. the longer term implications could be more severe if they cannot get some kind of a sentiment shift in place for writers, actors, producers,

directors and everybody involved in hollywood to trust each other and trust the economics. this multifaceted labor strike in hollywood is really coming at a pretty inopportune time for the entire entertainment business. the economics, the money at play, with both writers and actors demanding more compensation, guarantees about job security in the future, but there are bigger picture headwinds facing the business side as well. you have falling viewership, falling moviegoers, streaming profitability, advertising revenues, all of that is at play. if you look overall at the picture for entertainment, though, there is one really positive side that's starting to shape up here in terms of where we are seeing some of the big economic impacts. that is, of course, with taylor

swift. the singer/songwriter continues to set records and milestones. this time it's for having four albums on the billboard top ten all at once. the latest release debuted at number one and it's the biggest release of the year so far. rounding out that top four in the top ten, "midnights," "lover" and "folklore." taylor swift just set the record for the most number one albums by a female artist in history at 12, beating out barbra streisand's 11. then on the political side of things, an interesting development here with regard to where some of the biggest folks on wall street are starting to place their bets. now, who wins the white house in next year's election? well, a bunch of different

banking and finance executives have already made early donations to former president trump's presumed gop rivals. some of the notable campaign contributions, veteran hedge fund manager paul tudor jones, venture capitalist joe launsdale both donating to ron desantis. another contributed to vivek ramaswamy's campaign. two others contributed to nikki haley. that's just a sampling. you can read much more about

both nbc and cnbc's stories on those, but it's an interesting look into where some early bets are being placed here in 2023 ahead of the 2024 cycle. >> dom chu, thank you so much. rev, i want to get you in on that last one although you're welcome to weigh in on taylor swift. she's a phenomenon. wall street titans placing their bets on candidates who are not donald trump, two thoughts. one would be that's never been trump's strength for fund-raising. he's never been one to get the big dollar donors. it's all about the small donations from his base that have fuelled his campaign. also this idea if he looks like he's going to be the nominee, they'll all come toward him anyway. we saw reporting over the weekend about rupert murdoch who early on suggested ron desantis was his guy, but he said if

trump is the nominee, of course he'll be behind him too. >> no doubt about it. they will always go with whoever the nominee is. that's what big business does. we should not sleep on the fact that part of trump's strength in terms of his appeal in 2016 and in 2020 didn't work as well as it did in 2016 obviously, is playing against the elite, i'm not the guy the wall street guys like, i'm one of you, when he really isn't one of the people he's trying to appeal to, but he wants to play that. those big guys don't like me, i'm an outsider. i always talk about as a new yorker, he resented that the downtown crowd saw him and his father as outliers, outer borough guys.

this was this chip on his shoulder that fuelled a lot of his behavior and what he did. this plays to his politics in many ways. >> he remains the most unlikely hero to the forgotten working class, a man who has a skyscraper with his name out front in gold. coming up here on "morning joe," ron desantis goes after trump's track record in the white house. we'll have the latest from the 2024 trail, including a makeover already for the florida governor's own presidential campaign. plus, congresswoman. lauren boebert appears to be leaning back into the far-right rhetoric that almost cost the colorado republican her seat in congress last fall. that new reporting is straight ahead. ast fall that new reporting is straight ahead.

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. he promised to drain the swamp. it got worse. he did not drain the swamp. he promised to have mexico pay for a border wall. they did like 50 miles of wall. he said he was going to eliminate the national debt. they added almost $8 trillion to the debt in four years. >> so that's florida governor and republican presidential hopeful ron desantis on the attack against former president trump. meanwhile, after less than two months on the campaign trail the desantis campaign has already fired roughly a dozen staffers and more dismissals are expected in the coming weeks. a source familiar with the move describes it as a cost-cutting measure. word of the shakeup comes after an nbc news analysis of

desantis's new campaign finance disclosure. it reveals that the republican candidate tapped out top donors and burned through $7.9 million in just his first six weeks as a presidential candidate. the numbers suggest for the first time that solvency could be a threat to the desantis campaign, which has touted its fund-raising ability as a key measure of viability. they struggled with low dollar grassroots donations. it's also a reflection that this campaign has started very, very poorly for the governor, widely expected to be the top trump alternative. we're seeing an implicit acknowledgment of that. they're changing course on media strategy. suddenly desantis is starting to sit down with interviews with some rather mainstream outlets. meanwhile, new fund-raising numbers are also out for what is expected to be one of the closest house races next year.

according to fec filings, colorado democrat adam frisch raked in more than $2.5 million from april to june in what is his second bid to unseat republican lauren boebert. this past november, frisch fell just 546 votes short of defeating the incumbent congresswoman, who is known for controversial and sometimes downright offensive comments. let's bring in national political reporter sahil kapur live on capitol hill. the congresswoman was last in the news for a fight on the house floor with her counterpart marjorie taylor green. she's looking at what could be a very tough race yet again. tell us about it. >> reporter: that's right. this was the big shock of the 2022 midterms, lauren boebert in friendly territory having a

nail-biter of a race, barely hanging on. it came down to 546 votes against a little-known democratic challenger adam frisch. frisch is better known now. he wants a rematch. $2.6 million he raised in the second quarter compared to lauren boebert who raised $818,000. i spoke to adam frisch for the story. he said of boebert, quote, she is not focused on the district. she is focused on herself. he promised to continue hammering away at her on that. he said she doesn't seem to be taking the job any more seriously than she was before. boebert spoke to my coauthor for this story scott wong, blamed her near miss on ballot harvesting, which is the republican term for third-party collection of absentee ballots. she goes on to say i wasn't able to do that as much because we were in the majority, talking about delivering wins.

what wins is she talking about? it's not clear. her office didn't respond when we asked her. she cited a few things in press releases, talking about an endangered species bill getting a hearing. since coming back to d.c., she has thrown herself into these intraparty battles, which is what she is best known for. she tried to stop kevin mccarthy from becoming speaker of the house, she tried to impeach president biden. now she's joining far-right republicans in threatening to kill a funding bill if republicans don't get what they want. i spoke to the former republican chair in colorado. he says a lot of republicans at home are bewildered by her. he said this is going to come down to whether she is perceived as caring about her district,

delivering for her district, or if she's seen as caring about fighting these battles in washington. >> when you're asked for a list of wins, you come up with getting a water bill out of committee. sahil kapur thank you. still ahead, an all-time performance at the all england club. we'll show you the incredible men's final at wimbledon. plus, one of the biggest sports stars on the planet gets used to his new home in the united states by grocery shopping like a local. me in the united states by grocery shopping like a local. power e*trade's easy-to-use tools, like dynamic charting and risk-reward analysis help make trading feel effortless. and its customizable scans with social sentiment help you find and unlock opportunities in the market. e*trade from morgan stanley. with powerful, easy-to-use tools, power e*trade makes complex trading easier. react to fast-moving markets with dynamic charting

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. my friends, to those who say that we are rushing this issue of civil rights, i say to them we are 172 years late. to those who say this civil rights program is an infringement on state's rights, i say this. the time has arrived in america for the democratic party to get out of the shadows of states' rights and to walk forthrightly into the bright sunshine of human rights.

people, human beings, this is the issue of the 20th century. people of all kinds, all sorts of people and these people are looking to america for leadership, and they're looking to america for precept and example. >> that speech by future vice president hubert humphrey at the 1948 democratic national convention galvanized a room full of lawmakers to vote for a civil rights platform, taking a huge risk as well as alienating southern democrats. exactly 75 years later, that moment and its impact on the party is now chronicled in a new book titled "into the bright sunshine, young hubert humphrey and the fight for civil rights." that book's author, columbia university professor samuel freedman joins us now. that is inspiring stuff and

ahead of his time. he's maybe not a household name anymore when we speak of the great political figures of the last century, but someone you argue made a real impact. >> i think that speech by humphrey in 1948 is one of the overlooked landmarks of civil rights history when he gets the democratic party to fully endorse civil rights for the first time. it not only sets up harry truman desegregating the military two weeks later, but it really prepares the political soil for everything done in the mid '60s with the civil rights act, the voting rights act, the fair housing act. yet, while lyndon johnson has gotten a well-deserved rehabilitation in the last few yeas which ways his domestic accomplishments with the vietnam war, i was surprised humphrey was remembered negatively, if he

was remembered at all. >> mr. freedman, i remember 1968. i was just turning 13 years old and had joined the operation bread basket chapter here in new york of dr. king's organization. dr. king was killed that year and i was later appointed youth director by william jones and jesse jackson. i looked up to them. all of them talked about hubert humphrey in great terms and were stunned he was defeated by richard nixon. i think this book is absolutely necessary. what i want to bring up for you to address is that for him to say that in '68 where the preceding convention had others protesting the convention, really made him more heroic than

people imagined because he stood up and challenged a party whose currents were not that settled at that time. >> first of all, reverend, it's so great to meet you this way. we've met before. i also was 13 years old in well. humphrey's speech is 1948, 20 years before the '68 convention. this is a time when there are hardly any black delegates even in the democratic party. in order to get the party to civil rights, humphrey had to win the votes of almost an entirely white set of delegates. he had to do it when harry truman was trying to back away because he was afraid he would lose the election without the segregationist wing of the party. knowing that they were ready to walk out of the convention. doing all this, reverend, when he was 37 years old, the mayor

of a middle-sized city, three years in elected office. it's mind-boggling the risk he took for this righteous cause. >> and 37 years old looking at a future ahead of him and had become vice president, but risked it all to stand up for what ones popular. he could have been heckled when he made that speech and he did it anyway. >> you're right. you can hear the booing in the background from the southern delegates. even some of harry truman's key people on the convention floor had warned humphrey, if you give this speech, it's the end of you. really to the moment up on the platform when humphrey was about to give the speech he was wondering, is this mission going to be a suicide mission. >> the new book is titled "into the bright sunshine: young hubert humphrey and the fight for civil rights."

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right now on "ana cabrera reports," deadly weather from coast to coast. five killed by flash floods in pennsylvania. 2-year-old and 9-month-old still missing. more rain on the way for an already saturated region. >> in my 44 years, i've never seen anything like it. we had probably 6.5 to 7 inches of rain in under 45 minutes. meanwhile, it is a furnace in the midwest with impressive triple digits. 12-heat related deaths. >>ew