8:00 p.m. eastern, joe scarborough hosts a prime time special, taking a look at the making of oppenheimer, one of this year's most hotly anticipated block busters. joe will sit down with director christopher nolan, matt damon, emily blunt, that is font, 8:00 p.m. eastern on msnbc and streaming on peacock. our coverage continues with katy tur reports right now. good to be with you. i'm katy tur. could 2024 be the year of the third party candidate or will it just be another third party spoiler? >> no one has ever won the white house who was outside of the two-party system, not once, in our 247-year history. so why does the party called no labels think it has a chance? is it the reported $70 million budget or the novelty of the unity ticket, featuring one

republican and one democrat, or is it bath because the idea of an alternative has potentially never been more appealing than it is right now. years of polling show public interest in something different is there. almost 50% of americans believe that both democrats and republicans have been doing such a poor job that a third option is needed. so is 2024 the year? is the exhaustion at the thought of a trump-biden rematch enough to sway voters for the first time in history? or would it just siphon off the stragglers and if itdoes, which party benefits, democrats or republicans? we're going to get into the calculus. because for the candidates, it is a calculus, including for whomever is on the would be ticket, which we may get a glimpse of for the first time in new hampshire. who's going to be there. in arlington, virginia, nbc news correspondent, ali vitali, and

in washington, nbc news senior national politics reporter, jonathan allen and if you're asking yourself, what about new hampshire, they're going to be in new hampshire. where is your new hampshire reporter, vaughn hillyard is there, and he'll be with us in a moment, and he's interviewing a couple of would be candidates for no labels. give us a moment. ali vitali, when it comes to the idea of a third-party candidate, we hear so much from people out there that they're sick of the system. sick of the way it works. don't like their options. are you hearing anybody who's open to not voting for a republican and not voting for a democrat? >> it's tough. there's an openness. you and i on the campaign trail, wee talk to people fed up with the two-party system. that being said, it's really early and most of the folks i'm talking to are certainly not in a place where they're ready to commit to voting for anyone. third party or otherwise. while there might be an appetite

for someone who can work in a bipartisan fashion or get away from the vitriol we have seen on both sides of the aisle, i haven't heard anyone say the no labels candidacy is for me. people might not know this is an option. but even in the instances they do, it's hard to go outside the proper party apparatus. you look at the way these, in each state, the republican party, the democratic party have such deep roots there, that's something that no labels would have to overcome, not having a baked in group of people on the ground across the country, even help them get voters to be aware of them in the first place, even if there were an openness to go outside the two-party system. >> you are at a ron desantis event, we'll get to that in a moment. let's talk about what no labels says. a split ticket, a republican and a democrat, and aiming for the dissatisfied, disaffected center of this country, the people who

say they don't like either party. what are they offering those people specifically in terms of policy? >> let me say as ali was finishing her last answer to you, there was a huge round of applause, and i wanted to join in it. i think ali was doing an excellent job. i agree with the crowd behind us. as far as no labels goes, look, what they're offering to people is an alternative. what's not entirely clear is what that alternative is going to be. will it be west virginia senator joe manchin, former utah governor, john huntsman, both in new hampshire today for this town hall that they're doing. new hampshire is a great state if you're looking for nonparty affiliated people. there are a lot of non-party affiliated people in new hampshire. while we have heard from people over and over again on the campaign trail and recent elections and polls show that people are angry with the two parties and angry at institutions, what we have not seen is voters actually break away from the parties, if you go look at what's happening in recent elections, particularly

in the last couple of elections, it's really really divided between democrats and republicans, only a handful of people switching between the parties from year to year. so, you know, we'll see what they're able to do. the conventional wisdom is that the more traction, the more likely a republican wins the presidency. >> let's bring in vaughn hillyard. >> also, john huntsman, the former governor of utah, excuse me, who potentially would be on it as well. i heard you just spoke to joe manchin a moment ago. what did he tell you? >> reporter: apologies to your and your team, we were switching cameras around because we talked with the west virginia senator and we were a little delayed. i asked him six or seven times,

why he's not taking his name off the table to run as a third-party candidate. i want you to hear part of our exchange. >> you guys are not running for president, but why are you here in new hampshire on what is essentially the campaign trail. >> we're cochairs, democratic governors starting back in 2010, 2011, and this whole thing has come about because the country has never been as divided as it is now. we entered back then when we thought it was bad. it's a lot worse now, and the country has to come together, and this group that we have, no labels going around the country and put together the common sense doctrine, it's how this country started way back in 1775, 76, and here we are today, still trying to find commonalty. >> reporter: and, katy, joe manchin, continually when i asked him about a presidential bid, he insisted to me that that is not why he is here, alongside

republican john huntsman here today. at the same time, no labels. let's make no mistake about it. they are building out a $70 million effort to get on the ballot in all 50 states for what would be that bipartisan democrat-republican ticket. joe manchin is here today affiliating and being the front man for no labels. i asked him, how would he determine ultimately about the concerns of being a potential spoiler as many opposed to the second trump presidency is exactly what he would be. come the beginning of next year, he will make that determination. he said that over the course of his time in congress and as governor of west virginia, he has heard for folks calling for somebody to put themselves forward being in the middle, and potentially that could be him. >> what happens if they don't gain traction, vaughn? do they have a contingency plan? talk about the calculus of whether or not any of this

works. >> reporter: right, this is the concern of a lot of national democrats because their convention is not until next april in dallas here, and when we're talking about gaining ballot access, it is very difficult to get off the ballot. once you have a ticket, no label says then it's up to those candidates to run their campaign. at that point, no labels can say, hey, we're stepping back. we don't actually want this to happen. once there are candidates associated with the group and their names are on the ballot, it's tough to walk back from that. that's where a lot of concern is. when you look at the democratic party and the republican party electorates, a greater share of democratic voters consider themselves to be moderate voters compared to republican voters, and when you look at voters who voted for third-party candidates, gary johnson or jill stein, by a nearly 40% margin, those voters said they voted for

joe biden as opposed to donald trump. so many data points suggest if joe manchin were to get ouch the race, it would siphon off votes from joe biden. as manchin says, we don't know who the candidates would be and there are a lot of variables at play here. what we know is no labels will likely be on presidential ballots on states across the country. >> what does it say about the idea of a no labels ticket, and we don't know who it's going to be yet. but so far what they have put out are two white men. is that who they think really works for the middle of the country, the vast middle of the electorate? >> i'm not sure who they think works for the vast majority of the electorate. obviously these are the two front people as vaughn said for the moment. it is not a group that has suggested a lot of diversity in the people they put out over the years. you know, it's not clear to me how they plan to win. $70 million is a lot of money to

get on a ballot. not a lot to win a presidential election. nothing close to winning a presidential election. might be enough to siphon off tens of thousands or a hundred thousand voters in a few of the swing states that make a difference between one party or the other winning an election. so, look, maybe they'll get some traction, maybe they won't. but it's a long way for them to get to a place of potentially winning and with huntsman and manchin there as you point out, there is not a lot of diversity. >> you know, it's not a bad idea. i know there are a lot of people tired of the two-party system, and don't feel like it works for them and the way it's all set up. i understand the desire to get something up and running like that. i want to ask you about ron desantis and the way the campaign is going. there's news today that it's not as peachy today as he may like. >> exactly, and john has done so much of this reporting for nbc news, and nbcnews.com, and the fact that desantis is once again

having to defend his candidacy. we have seen this, donors getting skittish about what they have seen in the polls, be well behind former president donald trump. the fact that he has spent so much of this cash so quickly, roughly an $800 billion burn rate in his candidacy. causing him to off load staff, about a dozen people off his main national staff. likely they're going to end up at the super pac, the complement to the desantis campaign officially. if you dig into more of his numbers, look at his q2 fundraising, 20 million is notable, the pace by which they're burning through that, and also the way in which they raised that money. about $3 million of it is going to be earmarked for the general election. they can't actually touch that until and if they make it to that point. 14% of the money from small donors, that's going to be a problem, especially when you look at the fact that more than 2/3 of the 20 million raised are from donors who are

maxed out, meaning that this campaign cannot go back and retap those donors. they're going to have to gin up small donor donations, and that's something they're going to retool the way the operation fund raises in the first place. there's a lot of skittishness around desantis. we're watching the trump campaign in the last few minutes, putting out a memo from top two staffers, look at the poles, you haven't seen them move and look at the way the desantis campaign is right now. >> thank you very much. what police found in the home of the suspected gilgo beach serial killer, and what he could be charged with next. it's so hot that touching the pavement with bearskin for just a second could cause severe burns. and we may never know everything about what happened the day jfk was assassinated. what president biden just did to

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over 200 guns. he had an arsenal in a vault that he had downstairs, so it's concerning. . >> that investigation is continuing with regard to maureen brainard-barnes, and, you know, we feel confident that we're going to be able to eventually charge that murder, but we're not going to put a time frame on it. >> as more murder charges could be filed following rex heuermann's arrest, police have found an arsenal of weapons in his basement. joining me now is nbc news correspondent rehema ellis. let's talk about this arsenal. >> yeah, they're saying something like 200 weapons found in a vault in the basement of his home in massapequa, long

island. what does that tell us about this? we don't know, but as you heard authorities say, it's concerning to them that someone would have that many weapons. kept them in a vault. they're continuing to search his home. it's considered a crime scene. as well as searching self-storage vaults that he had out on long island, one in one location, another they searched yesterday, another they're searching today, trying to come up with evidence to connect this man. >> he was so far connected to or charged with three of the murders, connected to a fourth. what is the expectation about what might happen with that fourth murder, and where things might be going with the other seven bodies that were found. >> well, that's the big question. we don't know. they haven't released that information, but they are seriously, and arduously searching every aspect of this man's life, trying to figure out if there's a connection at all. as i said, a witness, we should point out, helped police crack this case because they went to

authorities and let them know that they saw someone, and that there was a chevy avalanche that was connected in the area where the bodies were found, where the bodies were found along the stretch of road on gilgo beach, about 10 miles from where rex heuermann's home is located. from there, they began to really look into this person, and the dna technology advanced. really critical here because a piece of evidence they found off of the burlap that one of the victim's remains was wrapped in, they couldn't identify it then in terms of connecting it to someone else, but more recently, technology advanced and they were able to connect it to rex heuermann and found material in pizza box. they had someone watching minimum. he dumped pizza leftovers in a trash can in new york city. you don't need a warrant. >> they found his dna on a piece of pizza. i'm curious about his family. married, two kids, adult kids,

correct, have we heard anything from them? this must be a really difficult time for them as well. >> you would imagine it has to be. we have not heard anything from the family, but we have heard from his attorney who says that his client has said to him he is not guilty of this. they plan to mount a vigorous defense for him saying that there is no way that he could have done what police have now charged him with doing. >> difficult potentially for them, or maybe they thought something was off. who knows. ehema ellis, thank you. the search for an alabama woman who vanished after she called 911 to report a toddler walking along the interstate is over. carlee russell is back home surrounded by family. she arrived back on foot alone and unharmed. 48 hours after she disappeared, leaving her cell phone, purse, apple watch and vehicle behind. the nursing student had stopped to check on a child while on the phone with a family member. and here is how the family

describes that call. >> the girlfriend heard her ask, are you okay, are you okay, she didn't hear any response, and then she heard a scream, and then some type of running type shuffle, maybe, and then she -- and then she heard the background noise but by that time, she was running down the steps to tell us. >> what is still unclear is what happened to her and the child she says she spotted that day. the hoover, alabama, police chief tells nbc news that they have spoken to russell and are following up on the information she's provided. more as we get it. coming up next, it is hot here. it is hot there. it is hot everywhere. from phoenix to rome to tokyo, the planet feels like it is on fire. hot enough in some places here in the u.s. to instantly burn your skin. plus, what about the jfk

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. officials across the world are issuing the same warning, stay inside if you can. there are brutal and historic heat waves continuing around most of the globe. here at home, roughly 100 million people are under extreme heat warnings as the national weather service said record-breaking heat is expected in parts of the united states. and across the atlantic, spain, greece and italy are experiencing triple digit temperatures that, too, threaten to shatter records. joining me now in phoenix is nbc news correspondent marissa parra, and in rome, nbc news foreign correspondent, claudio lavanga. let me talk about how hot it is

in arizona, and this warning from doctors that you should not touch the pavement with your skin. >> reporter: you absolutely should not, and we have seen several injuries as a result of exactly that, and unfortunately some of it hasn't been by choice. some of it has been what we learned from the phoenix fire department, where we are right now, they responded to a man last week who had third degree burns all over his body because he was laying on the asphalt, and they believe this was a man without a home. we don't know the circumstances of why he was there. this is something we're seeing a lot of, the most burns, the most heatstroke are usually people who don't have a cool place to go to. look at what we just saw, if you can recall that video back, that's med staff preparing ice baths. they're seeing an influx of people who have these raised internal temperatures, upwards of 107 degrees sometimes, katy, not just the third-degree burns but heat exhaustion, heatstroke.

they're seeing such an influx and such a rise in those kinds of cases that they're having to use overflow because they're getting so many patients. a physician i spoke to in the e.r. says he's worked there for decades and has never seen a summer quite like this one. the headline here, phoenix, arizona may be used to hot temperatures but what they're not used to is this many days consecutively. we hit the 18th consecutive stretch of 110 degree temperatures or above. so this is putting a strain, not just on hospitals, also rescuers, first responders, the phoenix fire department, i had a chance to go on a ride along with them. they're not only responding to the normal things, we're talking about heat calls, but then even their normal jobs, going and responding to fires. they're having to struggle to stay cool themselves, jumping into ice baths, ivs in ice packs. there's no end in sight, hoping sometime this weekend, temps cool down a little bit.

>> let's talk about over the ocean and where you are, claudio, you're in rome, but i want to ask about greece as well. we heard that the acropolis had to be closed, in athens, it was too hot. they're starting to hand out water bottles to tourists. triple digit temperatures there, also where you are. tell me what it's like. >> absolutely, katy. you're starting to feel a lot like phoenix around here, after that report, and we are not used to those kind of temperatures either. it's 9:20 in the evening. it's 86 degrees. finally we can breathe without our nostrils burning. it was very hot during the day here. you can see there's a lot of people. but a couple of hours ago, there was nobody around here, apart from the brave tourists that was hanging around. and tomorrow is going to be even worse, katy, because they expect temperatures to go up to 118, 120 degrees. it may even break the record of the hottest day ever recorded in europe. now, as you mentioned, greece as

well, they had to close down the acropolis because there's no shade there. another place where there's no shade, the vatican, st. peter's square. they didn't close that one down. there were people trying to get into st. peter's basilica, using umbrellas out there. but certainly the alert is still on. 16 heat alerts, rome is one of them. of course, and just brace for what's happening tomorrow, it's going to be the hottest day of the year. >> hot in the u.s., hot in europe, hot in china, hot in japan. it's hot everywhere. claudio and marissa parra, thank you very much. joining me now is meteorologist bill karins. here and everywhere, walk me through it. >> the highlights this weekend. going into the weekend, we knew this was going to be the hottest part of the long duration heat wave. a chance we could get to 130 in death valley. a chance of hitting 117 in

vegas. not quite, one degree away from the all time high, we hit 116. and today we tide the record in phoenix, which was mentioned. our friend in el paso, today, 32 of being 100 degrees, each and every day. not typically this hot this long. when will this end? it's not like we went up the mountain and hit the peak. just like a rolling hill. vegas was 116. typically 105. continuing well above average. phoenix, you know, your reward for tying your record today, 117. three days in a row, and all the way towards the upcoming weekend, and the crazy thing about phoenix and i spent summers as a kid in phoenix. wouldn't do anything outside in the middle of the day. at night, the playground, people would play tennis or exercise or play sports outside. the last time it was under 90 degrees was july 9th. they have gone 195 hours in a row with it being 90 degrees

plus. even at night there's not relief. you saw everyone at the fountain in italy. it's so brutally hot. what we're going to notice is the hot temperatures are going to shift, and there's another 100 degree day. el paso at 102. and even in vegas, it's 110. it's the lunch hour. it's already 110 degrees. and as we said, it's just going to continue. these are the areas of record highs possible today. texas all the way through areas like las vegas, and what switches is tonight and tomorrow, some of that heat really starts to build in the south. birmingham, alabama, going to be up near 100 degrees. we have been in and out of the heat in areas of the southeast. this is going to be one of the hottest weeks we're going to see. it's going to continue to the end of the week. raleigh, memphis, mid-90s near 100. new orleans, mid-90s. the difference between the southwest where it's plain hot. the areas in the southeast, especially new orleans, it's exceptionally humid. we're going to be talking more

about the heat index, instead of just the plain old temperatures. if you're outside in the northeast or the ohio valley, saw it in the air. canadian wildfire smoke is back, you have alerts for air quality, for roughly about 85 to 90 million people. it will be with us a little bit on and off the next two days. right now, it's not enjoyable to be breathing and doing any activities that has any exertion for sensitive groups or regular people too. it's going to be a rough one. i don't have any positive news, katy. let's put it that way. >> global warming has been grand. can't wait for the hurricanes to start up. bill karins. >> give me a break, i have vacation coming up. i need that little space. >> cancel it. >> that was all last year. >> bill karins, thank you very much. coming up, what gives, key government files on jfk are being kept secret. what the cia has to do with it. and it's a billion dollar game of chicken. who is going to blink first, the

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why are the files on jfk's assassination being kept secret. after decades of demands and repeated delays over what was supposed to be a mandated release date, it appears we may

never see everything the government has on what happened november 22nd. president biden quietly signed a, quote, final certification of files to be released, even though thousands still remain withheld or redacted. our question is why. what could be in the documents that is still so sensitive that the government just won't give them up? joining me now with much more is "new york times" chief white house correspondent peter baker. peter, i almost made you an nbc correspondent, i'm sorry about that. let's talk about jfk, and these files. i mean, 60 years later, the question, what could they possibly have that they don't want to release to us, and does that mean it's something that's really damming for the government? >> that's the big question, of course, because we don't know what we don't know. the government says, look, there's nothing mysterious here. they have released 99% of the documents that have been reviewed other the last 30 years

ago the remaining few thousand that haven't been fully released, a small reactions about the names of the individuals of addresses and social security numbers and things the president doesn't have the authority to release. grand jury secrecy information or tax information. beyond that, there's nothing all that mysterious about it. of course you can imagine that's not an answer that satisfies researchers who spent a lot of years looking at this. what do they have after 60 some years since this assassination that remains in some ways, creating some sort of a danger or damage to national security if they were to release it. you have that lingering suspicion for people who spent a lot of time thinking we don't trust the government because in fact there's reasons not to trust the government. >> president biden signed this final certification. some of the documents were released. why weren't the others released? what did a judge do to keep the others secret.

>> a nonprofit organization went to court looking for an injunction against the president's latest order. he allowed the lawsuit to go forward, they will be continuing with litigation on this. broadly speaking, what you have are 2,100 documents that have been withheld in full or in part because of the president's actions. another 2,500 have been withheld in full or in part because of issues unrelated to the president. and all of these tantalizing things in the things they have released in the last few months, nothing that changes the understanding of the assassination, suggesting sensitivity, things they believe they don't want out there. examples would be the name of the guy who opened lee harvey oswald's mail. they just released that name for the first time, 60 years later,

why did it take so long. researchers look at that and say there must be a reason. what is the reason? >> what does the cia have to do with this? what are the questions surrounding the cia? . >> for the cia, they have been sensitive to interactions with oswald, what they didn't know about it. oswald lived in the soviet union. he was being monitored by the government. he visited mexico city. there's a lot of talk about what that was about or what the cia station down there knew. what the cia has been concerned about the last 60 years, what they are concerned about, they don't want sensitive intelligent sources of information to be released and got caught up in the jfk papers, aren't about the assassination, but tangential, plans for cuba, operations that aren't related to jfk, they would just assume not have be discussed or revealed. >> peter baker, thank you very

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residuals we used to get. 87% of our members are not making the health insurance minneapolis to get covered for health insurance. and the money that's concentrated at the top is not just trickling down to the bottom, it's not trickling down to the middle anymore. >> actors and writers are back on the picket lines in los angeles, new york, atlanta and hawaii for the first full week of their joint strike shutting the industry down. both are demanding wage increases, protections from ai, and restructured residuals in the age of streaming. studio heads have called their conditions unrealistic. there were no new negotiations over the weekend, and some industry watchers say an agreement is not likely anytime soon. >> there doesn't seem to be enough trust and energy to get it settled soon, but these conditions will potentially produce an absolute collapse of an entire industry. >> joining me now, deadline

hollywood senior editor, dominic patton, thanks for being with us. a collapse of an entire industry, according to barry diller, is it that dire? >> i think mr. diller who has a great expertise and pedigree in the industry might be a bit hyperbolic. but we're going into the fall season, which has been dramatically realigned. you're seeing yellow stone and mrs. marvel showing up on cbs and abc respectively. are we right over the edge? we're looking, i don't think we've crossed the precipice yet. >> the actors are saying they're in it for the long haul. fran drescher said they're doing it as long as it takes. the studios are talking about breaking these, having people lose their homes, because they want to avoid more potential strikes from other unions. is there something on the horizon that you can identify

that might help move the needle on this, get people back to the negotiating table? >> i would say, katy, not right now, we're seeing a little bit of movement both out on the picket lines, city hall, mayor karen pass put out another statement, asking for a fair and equitable agreement. adam schiff, the u.s. congressman was out on the picket lines today talking about ai. i don't know yet if they've got the kind of heft that can bring this together. i think a lot of people are looking beyond what's happening on the picket lines which is very very serious, and looking at what might happen in the broader implications for l.a. county, and new york, and seeing what can happen and what might be a very very hot summer economically with people suffering from more than just the heat. >> is this going to require a change in tone from the likes of bob iger, and other studio heads. he's gotten a lot of criticism coming off as tone deaf after he signed the two-year contract

extension and stock options. is this going to require to build back the trust that barry has lost, a change in tone, public facing tones from people? >> absolutely. it's been stri strident on both sides. iger's statements were galvanizing people on the picket line. it wasn't like the meat cake but felt like it to a lot of people. that combined with the legacy and the history here over decades and decades of people feeling that they're being screwed out of this. i mean, i'll tell you something that happened this weekend. a lot of people, we don't often talk about how much we really make in america. a lot of people started putting up actual residuals from shows that are on streamers, shows like "orange is the new black," and we're talking pennies over months and months and months. that's bringing home the reality of this economically. i think there has to be a larger discussion, maybe some time will heal some wounds, but i think everyone needs to change their

tone, especially from the c suites of the studios. >> you're bringing up a good point. the new yorker had an article talking about that foretold, the amount of money most actors was nothing. a lot of them had to keep their day jobs. when you talk about residuals and penny, they will show checks that are $0.27 as their residuals. was that standard, unless you were one of the big names, you were basically making nothing? >> pretty much. these are agreements and contracts, you can say, well, i wish we hadn't set such a low amount of money. that was the deal that was made. these deals were made as they were in the past about dvds and video tape and residuals back in the '60s. that distrust on the picket lines with the studios, writers, and now the actors, that has been growing over decades and decades and decades, there were very bad business decisions made by a number of people, a number

of companies. some executives with the companies, and some are not. we're seeing the chickens come home here. the question is whether or not calmer minds will prevail, and people will finally sit down and make a deal, which they will eventually, but it looks like it's going to be very hot and heavy out there for a while. >> dominic patton, thank you very much for coming back. >> dominic p coming atton, tback.hank you it's been good very to have much fo r coyou. let's talk about what people make. the minimum wage is $7.25. a dollar as you know does not go as far as it used to back when it was set. especially with the historic inflation we've been seeing recently. so how are americans making ends meet? joining me now, linth ever lindsey took a close look at the meaning of the living wage. when you think of hollywood, you think of the mega stars and all the money they're making. the vast majority of sag-aftra are not making much at all.

they're in a lot of cases making more than minimum wage but not as much as you might expect. talk about the living minimum wage for people in this country and the people who are saying that the economic success that we've experienced over the decades has not trickled down to them. >> it's such a meta idea. what is a living wage? of course it will depend on where you live. a few months ago we sent out to find out how people are doing. we know people are voting with their pocket books west met families, people in different places. firstff let's go to ohio. a sing mom with four sons. she pieces together her employment. she cleans houses, she drives for door dash. she has a part-time job at ups. sheps makes about $7.50 an hour. she brings in $1,500 a month. she has a really full life. she volunteers. that's the video that we're seeing now.

she said she never wants her sons to grow up and feel like they're poor. then we talked to taylor maggie mendez in florida. they had a really rocky start moving from new york to florida. they were working overnights, minimum wage jobs, sometimes a little above minimum wage. now taylor makes $20 $30 in a bank job. both families though are getting assistance. so in the form of food stamps, medicaid, rental assistance. let's play this piece. >> reporter: the fact that neither family can make ends meet without help begs the question. what constitutes a living wage? m.i.t. has a living wage calculator which looks at the eight basic needs in the u.s. according to that, taylor would need to make $37.97 an hurry to support his family. nearly twice his current wage.

>> it's surprising but sadly not surprising. >> reporter: living in cuyahoga county, she would need to make $40.44 an hour, or roughly $84,000 a year. she said she's afraid to lose her benefits if she makes too much money. >> do you find the issue is, if you make a certain amount, you won't be able to qualify but that extra amount doesn't replace the help you're getting? >> it is exactly like that. they're going to take probably medicaid or food stamps. when you take my food stamps, what i'm trying to build is gone. you're not allowing me to do what the program is meant for. the program is meant for people. >> there are so many issues dealing with what so many americans are dealing with.al the idea of benefits. if i make too. i'll replace the benefits. what i'm replacing it with is

not enough. she has a felony so she can't work in the field in which she has a degree. it is kind of a confluence of all this. at the end of the day, they're not asking for anything in particular. what do you want congress to do? they don't necessarily have an answer at the tip of their tongue. she makes $1,500. i asked her, what is your definition of w a livable wage? she said $3,500. i can afford may bills and get something in the bank. >> and she works for ups part time. ums is threatening to strike at the end of the month. m 340,000 workers here will be potentially collecting unemployment for who knows how long? thank you for joining us.jo i know you were on another story today but we loved this one so much, we want to talk to you about it. russia pulled out of a global drain deal. what it means for food security. . what it means for food security.

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and the crimean peninsula came under fire from several naval drones. you can see the partial collapse of the bridge as it is being surveyed. the video released by the russian investigative committee shows soldiers assessing further damage and collecting evidence from the attack. ukrainian defense ministry has declined to comment but ukraine media was declaring it was a special operation involving the security service of ukraine and the ukrainian navy. joining me now, nbc news foreign correspondent josh letterman. tell us more. >> reporter: we are following these two major stories at the same time. on the one hand, this attack on the crimea bridge which was recently attacked back in october. and on the same day, russia announcing it is pulling out of that crucial grain deal that has allowed critical exports like wheat, corn oil to get to developing nations in north africa and the middle east since

the middle of last year. we're hearing the white house in the last hour or so responding to russia's decision to pull out of that grain deal, calling it dangerous and irresponsible. they're pointing out since russia announced that just today, prices on those commodities have already jumped up several percentage points. that's really fueling the concern about how this is going to worsen global food insecurity. as that news broke, u.s. aid administrator sam power was in ukraine. our nbc news team was there on the ground with her. here's what she had to say. >> this is a reckless decision that will have profound human consequences. and it is just another example of russian callousness and disregard for human lives and lively hoods. not only here in ukraine but all around the world. >> reporter: u.s. officials at this point don't believe putin

made that decision in relation to the attack on the crimea bridge. they believe he was already planning that deal. we are hearing from president putin who is calling the attack on that bridge terrorism. he says russia's military will retaliate. >> josh letterman in london, thank you very much. that will do it for me today. "deadline white house" starts right now. hi there, everyone. it's 4:00 in new york. a sweeping story in "the new york times." the disgraced expresident's plans for a second term in office are pages straight out of an autocrat's play book. moves that would amount to nothing short of a wrecking ball to american democracy. consisting of the very same things that have not just landed